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Does anyone use CJ Pattern Pusha?

Or tried it and would like to share their thoughts?
3C/Fine to Medium/Low Porosity/High Density

:love5:MoistureMoistureMoisture:love5:

Low Poo: CJ Gentle Cleansing Shampoo
RO/DC: DB Pumpkin Seed Curl Moisturizing Conditioner
LI: CJ Smoothing Lotion
Styler: Queen Helene Sculpturing Gel & Glaze

No Salts, No Waxes, No Butters, No Heavy Oils
No ACV, No Saponified Oils, Protein Sensitive

Comments

  • rbbrbb Posts: 4,089Registered Users Curl Dabbler
    there's a thread in readers' products forum about pattern pusha. i use it on dry or damp hair, love it!

    3a, some 2c & 3b, medium texture, porosity normal, low elasticity :-(
    washing/cowashing, conditioning, protein tx: curl junkie products
    leave in:cj conditioners and treatments as leave in
    styling: cj aloe fix gel, cj pattern pusha, cj honey butta leave in, cj cccc, cj ciab.
    sealants - jane carter nourish & shine
  • JessiebananaJessiebanana Posts: 940Banned Users
    Thank You!
    3C/Fine to Medium/Low Porosity/High Density

    :love5:MoistureMoistureMoisture:love5:

    Low Poo: CJ Gentle Cleansing Shampoo
    RO/DC: DB Pumpkin Seed Curl Moisturizing Conditioner
    LI: CJ Smoothing Lotion
    Styler: Queen Helene Sculpturing Gel & Glaze

    No Salts, No Waxes, No Butters, No Heavy Oils
    No ACV, No Saponified Oils, Protein Sensitive
  • rbbrbb Posts: 4,089Registered Users Curl Dabbler
    bumping this thread as cj pp has become an HG in low/mid dews for me!

    i started out this winter trying it on dry hair and liked the results. about a week ago i started thinking about what i was doing differently this winter from a year ago when my hair did not respond well to pp. the difference is that now i am sealing my hair correctly. a year ago it was if my hair was dry and it had that 'fried' look i'd spot on jc n&s or ss emollience. this year i add either one after my leave in and after i blotted my hair but my hair is still wet.

    so, i decided to take the cjpp up a notch and go back to trying it on wet hair. past several days i've done my usual leave in in shower, then blot hair and seal. then i added cj pp -- the results have been GREAT! it has now become a staple product for me. very soft but very bouncy curls. i think that it was just that my hair was losing moisture throughout the day in low dew points, nothing to do with the pp. (while my hair is normal porosity, i think gray hair loses more moisture.)

    3a, some 2c & 3b, medium texture, porosity normal, low elasticity :-(
    washing/cowashing, conditioning, protein tx: curl junkie products
    leave in:cj conditioners and treatments as leave in
    styling: cj aloe fix gel, cj pattern pusha, cj honey butta leave in, cj cccc, cj ciab.
    sealants - jane carter nourish & shine
  • anonymous_133347anonymous_133347 Posts: 1,426Registered Users
    I really like this gel. As much as KCCC? No. But it gives me similar results, dries very fast, and best of all it comes in a bottle that's a decent size for a person with as much hair as I have. It doesn't dry me out provided I use enough leave in. It's protein free. Its hold is gentle. It defines/contains my curl. My hair isn't left crunchy and it feels like hair. I can use it in wet, damp or dry hair. It smells really pleasant. It's more natural than the average gel. It wasn't tested on animals. I could go on. I use it once a week. It's great when I'm a rush. I probably will repurchase.

    Oh, and I live in an arid climate so I can't attest to this product's performance in high dews.
    3A - C, HP, ME, HD. (Coarse, High Porosity, Medium Elasticity, High Density.)

    CG since Nov. 2012

    Poos: SM Moisture Retention + Yucca Baobab, TJ's Tea Tree Tingle
    Condish: TJ 'sTea Tree Tingle*, SM Moisture Retention* + Curl & Shine + Yucca Baobab, Yes to Blueberries
    Stylers: KCKT*, SM Curl Enhancing Smoothie* + Curl & Style Milk*, KCCC*, FSG*, CJ Pattern Pusha, Curl Keeper
    Sealers: Jojoba* or Grapeseed* oil

    * = HG

  • rbbrbb Posts: 4,089Registered Users Curl Dabbler
    each day i love pp more! LOL! seriously. what i love about is that if i feel i'd like a little more definition, hold, i'll put some on my hands when i scrunch out my hair. and ti works out very well. this gel is sooooo all-around -- wet or dry hair. low/mid dews. i am sure it will work very well in high dews also. i love cj aloe fix in high dews, it is my high dews HG, but it would be nice to have a 2nd gel that is also good.
    for those who used the jar version -- the pump bottle version does NOT flake at all!

    3a, some 2c & 3b, medium texture, porosity normal, low elasticity :-(
    washing/cowashing, conditioning, protein tx: curl junkie products
    leave in:cj conditioners and treatments as leave in
    styling: cj aloe fix gel, cj pattern pusha, cj honey butta leave in, cj cccc, cj ciab.
    sealants - jane carter nourish & shine
  • Corrina777Corrina777 Posts: 3,193Registered Users
    I had the jar version and liked it well enough. I got consistent results, but I didn't think it was amazingly better than the other stuff I was trying. But I just caved ad ordered the jar version so I can give it a try again, especially since I know so much more about my hair now than I did then. Looking forward to trying it!
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
    3a/f/iii
    Modified CG since 11/5/11
    CLEANSE: CJ Daily Fix, DevaCare No-Poo, CHS Treatment Shampoo
    RO: SS Caitlin's Conditioner, CJ Beauticurls Strengthening
    LI: SS Repairing Protein Treatment, CHS Silk Leave-In
    STYLE: Re:Coil, Curl Keeper, Deva Ultra Defining Gel, Curls Rock Amplifier,Sweet Curls Elixirs Okra Gel and Hard Hold Gel, SS Curl Enhancing Jelly and Firm Hold Gel
  • rbbrbb Posts: 4,089Registered Users Curl Dabbler
    you mean you ordered the pump bottle? (unless you went to a swap, don't think jar is available anymore). i used both, think you will love the pump version.

    3a, some 2c & 3b, medium texture, porosity normal, low elasticity :-(
    washing/cowashing, conditioning, protein tx: curl junkie products
    leave in:cj conditioners and treatments as leave in
    styling: cj aloe fix gel, cj pattern pusha, cj honey butta leave in, cj cccc, cj ciab.
    sealants - jane carter nourish & shine
  • Corrina777Corrina777 Posts: 3,193Registered Users
    Yep. It was part of my post-black belt/tax refund product binge. Hoping to try it tomorrow, otherwise I have to wait until at least Monday because I'm traveling this weekend and absolutely not traveling with a pump bottle.
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
    3a/f/iii
    Modified CG since 11/5/11
    CLEANSE: CJ Daily Fix, DevaCare No-Poo, CHS Treatment Shampoo
    RO: SS Caitlin's Conditioner, CJ Beauticurls Strengthening
    LI: SS Repairing Protein Treatment, CHS Silk Leave-In
    STYLE: Re:Coil, Curl Keeper, Deva Ultra Defining Gel, Curls Rock Amplifier,Sweet Curls Elixirs Okra Gel and Hard Hold Gel, SS Curl Enhancing Jelly and Firm Hold Gel
  • asianrunnerasianrunner Posts: 2,251Registered Users
    I'm so undecided about this product! It doesn't give much hold but I think it helps define my waves. A little wave enhancement. Today I was going to wear it straight so I squeezed most of the water out. Then I decided to scrunch in a little Oyin Hair Dew and CJ PP and plopped. Waves looked decent and I had some nice clumps!
    Coarse texture, normal-high porosity, normal elasticity (Komaza Care), very weak waves
    cleanser: Redken Fresh Curls Shampoo, CJ Daily Fix

    rinse out: GVP Conditioning Balm, CJ Beauticurls, CJ Smoothing

    jellies/creams: CR Curl Maker, KCCC
    gels: CJ CQ, CJ Pattern Pusha, BRHG

  • JessiebananaJessiebanana Posts: 940Banned Users
    You guys are making me so excited to try this. My package needs to get here now!
    3C/Fine to Medium/Low Porosity/High Density

    :love5:MoistureMoistureMoisture:love5:

    Low Poo: CJ Gentle Cleansing Shampoo
    RO/DC: DB Pumpkin Seed Curl Moisturizing Conditioner
    LI: CJ Smoothing Lotion
    Styler: Queen Helene Sculpturing Gel & Glaze

    No Salts, No Waxes, No Butters, No Heavy Oils
    No ACV, No Saponified Oils, Protein Sensitive
  • anonymous_133347anonymous_133347 Posts: 1,426Registered Users
    That is why I love/hate ordering online. Plus side, something to look forward to. Downside, when oh when is it gonna get here? :laughing6:
    3A - C, HP, ME, HD. (Coarse, High Porosity, Medium Elasticity, High Density.)

    CG since Nov. 2012

    Poos: SM Moisture Retention + Yucca Baobab, TJ's Tea Tree Tingle
    Condish: TJ 'sTea Tree Tingle*, SM Moisture Retention* + Curl & Shine + Yucca Baobab, Yes to Blueberries
    Stylers: KCKT*, SM Curl Enhancing Smoothie* + Curl & Style Milk*, KCCC*, FSG*, CJ Pattern Pusha, Curl Keeper
    Sealers: Jojoba* or Grapeseed* oil

    * = HG

  • JessiebananaJessiebanana Posts: 940Banned Users
    I really shouldn't complain. This is my first time ordering from Aveyou and they shipped the same day!

    Yeah...Curlmart just lost a customer :toothy10:.
    3C/Fine to Medium/Low Porosity/High Density

    :love5:MoistureMoistureMoisture:love5:

    Low Poo: CJ Gentle Cleansing Shampoo
    RO/DC: DB Pumpkin Seed Curl Moisturizing Conditioner
    LI: CJ Smoothing Lotion
    Styler: Queen Helene Sculpturing Gel & Glaze

    No Salts, No Waxes, No Butters, No Heavy Oils
    No ACV, No Saponified Oils, Protein Sensitive
  • anonymous_133347anonymous_133347 Posts: 1,426Registered Users
    Ooo I got my PP from Aveyou as well. It shipped in three days flat. It was packaged nicely and I also received a pretty reusable bag I could take with me to buy groceries and a $25 off $100 purchase coupon. I love Aveyou!
    3A - C, HP, ME, HD. (Coarse, High Porosity, Medium Elasticity, High Density.)

    CG since Nov. 2012

    Poos: SM Moisture Retention + Yucca Baobab, TJ's Tea Tree Tingle
    Condish: TJ 'sTea Tree Tingle*, SM Moisture Retention* + Curl & Shine + Yucca Baobab, Yes to Blueberries
    Stylers: KCKT*, SM Curl Enhancing Smoothie* + Curl & Style Milk*, KCCC*, FSG*, CJ Pattern Pusha, Curl Keeper
    Sealers: Jojoba* or Grapeseed* oil

    * = HG

  • MirCurlsMirCurls Posts: 2,660Registered Users
    Or tried it and would like to share their thoughts?

    I finally got a bottle today and decided to try it "naked" as it were--that is, no leave-in (which I always, always use) and no other product on top.

    My hair looks pretty not thrilling. The clumps are fine and the curls are spirally (but a bit longer than with some other curl enhancers), but the frizz. I am not prone to frizz. Even after diffusing nearly totally dry a couple times a week, I have minimal frizz. With just pattern pusha alone, frizz is an issue. I mean, webbing frizz like I haven't seen since I began this journey with natural hair in 2009.

    I'm gonna wait and let it settle and see what I can put on top that might work. But for me, alone, on wet hair--not so much.
    3a3b
    Natural since 11/25/09
    Then: fine, superdry, non-elastic, porous
    Now: medium, dry, elastic, lower porosity, BSL

    Curl Junkie Conditions!
    Eden BW Cleansing Condish Rocks!

    ~CJ Protein Tx
    ; BEE-U-Ti-Ful Deep Condish
    ~SMasters Method; Pixie-curling
    Dumped clumps for VOLUME!

    Marchioness Mir, Magister of Moisturization & Mystic of the Lofty Crown in the Order of the Curly Crusaders
  • JLeighsJLeighs Posts: 904Registered Users
    I could not get it to work for me at all until this summer when I tried it in high dews paired with a Giovanni gel. Prior to that, every use (which was in low dews) turned out to be a complete disaster.
    2C/3A, fine, higher porosity.
  • rbbrbb Posts: 4,089Registered Users Curl Dabbler
    mircurls -- when i first used the pump bottle pp my hair hated it. however, i kept it on hand and last winter started using it on dry or damp hair, great results. a couple of months later i used it on wet hair, with some leave in and a sealant (usually jane carter n&s), loved it. and i've used it on and off this summer and now and still like it.
    it never gives me frizz, always gives me shine and decent curls. not only does it not give me frizz, i can use it on the canopy to get rid of frizz. i don't get tight curls with pp but i do get curls and great hair that is shiny and does not have frizz. i prefer using it over other stylers as it gives my hair consistent results. with other stylers i may have a wow day but then i can also have a very bad day. pattern pusha is the styler i carry when i am away from home, it's the one i use when i absolutely need to have a good hair day.
    for me, the difference i thought at first was sealing my hair. a huge difference. this summer i did not always do that and still had good hair with pp. what also works best for me with it is a little leave in and more pp. and i've gone back to using a sealant as the dew points are dropping here.
    i say keep trying. i'd use a little leave in, maybe like cj beauticurls leave in. i've used that and i've used a tiny bit of curl rehab. oftentimes curl junkie products work when i figure out the best products/routines to use with it, then it becomes a staple for me.
    or, it just may not be right for your hair. but i'd give it a try with leave in first.

    3a, some 2c & 3b, medium texture, porosity normal, low elasticity :-(
    washing/cowashing, conditioning, protein tx: curl junkie products
    leave in:cj conditioners and treatments as leave in
    styling: cj aloe fix gel, cj pattern pusha, cj honey butta leave in, cj cccc, cj ciab.
    sealants - jane carter nourish & shine
  • etosetos Posts: 221Registered Users
    I love Curl Junkie pattern pusha! It gives me a light/medium hold whitout the crunchy feeling and whitout frizz. It doens't contain glycerin, what is also a plus for me in low or high dew points.
    highlighted 3a hair. Fine strands, medium to high density. Probably high porosity. Growing uit bad layering and aiming for waist lenght!

    Pre-poo: coconut oil
    wash: CJ Daily fix or SheaMoisture Coconut&Hibiscus
    RO + LI: different every time
    Styler: CJ Pattern Pusha, CJ CIAB

    dislikes: glycerin in low dews, scissor happy stylists, magnesium sulfate

    (modified) CG since june 25, 2012
    Hiarfinity + extra MSM since March 5., 2014

    SL - APL - BSBL- BSL - MBL - WL (stretched)
  • chupiechupie Posts: 5,270Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    I LOVE it. During the high dew week we had the week i got it a couple weeks ago. Work just awesome for my waves under brhg.
  • chupiechupie Posts: 5,270Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    I have to agree with leave in. I use a little SMCES under it. And I mean a little. Works great.
  • JessiebananaJessiebanana Posts: 940Banned Users
    MirCurls wrote: »
    Or tried it and would like to share their thoughts?

    I finally got a bottle today and decided to try it "naked" as it were--that is, no leave-in (which I always, always use) and no other product on top.

    My hair looks pretty not thrilling. The clumps are fine and the curls are spirally (but a bit longer than with some other curl enhancers), but the frizz. I am not prone to frizz. Even after diffusing nearly totally dry a couple times a week, I have minimal frizz. With just pattern pusha alone, frizz is an issue. I mean, webbing frizz like I haven't seen since I began this journey with natural hair in 2009.

    I'm gonna wait and let it settle and see what I can put on top that might work. But for me, alone, on wet hair--not so much.

    I did try it and I absolutely hated it. It was very hard to apply. It made me feel like I was pulling my hair out. My hair was clumpy, but it was super hard and flaked everywhere. I can't really remember the frizz aspect, since my hair was a lot shorter at the time. Complete waste of money.
    3C/Fine to Medium/Low Porosity/High Density

    :love5:MoistureMoistureMoisture:love5:

    Low Poo: CJ Gentle Cleansing Shampoo
    RO/DC: DB Pumpkin Seed Curl Moisturizing Conditioner
    LI: CJ Smoothing Lotion
    Styler: Queen Helene Sculpturing Gel & Glaze

    No Salts, No Waxes, No Butters, No Heavy Oils
    No ACV, No Saponified Oils, Protein Sensitive
  • MirCurlsMirCurls Posts: 2,660Registered Users
    Thanks for the suggestions. I will try it with leave-in and with some gel or sealant.

    Here's the thing--I've slept on this hair twice since the night I first tried it (day before yesterday) and the clumps remain nice and my hair is very soft. I like that--soft and touchable. No flakes. No crunch. It's only the frizz that's an issue. Dews have been in mid-70s, so it's pretty darn humid.

    The ringlets are gorgeous, I must say.

    I will work with it, cause I do find applying as refresher, which I did yesterday before a doc appt, is nice. Scrunches in very easily to revive clumps/strays.

    So, I'll work with it. The no glycerin is nice for me, as my hair doesn't tend to play well with high glycerin products.

    I suspect that even if it doesn't work out 100% with other steps, this will be one of my ideal refreshers, better than CJ Smoothing Lotion...it's lighter and my hair hates being weighed down.
    3a3b
    Natural since 11/25/09
    Then: fine, superdry, non-elastic, porous
    Now: medium, dry, elastic, lower porosity, BSL

    Curl Junkie Conditions!
    Eden BW Cleansing Condish Rocks!

    ~CJ Protein Tx
    ; BEE-U-Ti-Ful Deep Condish
    ~SMasters Method; Pixie-curling
    Dumped clumps for VOLUME!

    Marchioness Mir, Magister of Moisturization & Mystic of the Lofty Crown in the Order of the Curly Crusaders
  • chupiechupie Posts: 5,270Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    When i do leave in its just the very ends.
  • wavydazewavydaze Posts: 2,061Registered Users
    Does anyone with fine and/or low-porosity hair have good luck with it?

    How about fine, low-porosity and high dews? :D
    2bc/ f / ii. low porosity roots + normal-high porosity shaft where bleached. normal elasticity.

    Currently using:
    Poo: Earthbath Oatmeal & Aloe
    RO: V05 Kiwi Lime
    LI: CJ Smoothing Lotion
    Styler: UFD CM, CJ PP
    PT: CJ Repair Me

    :thumright: hydrolized protein, jelly stylers
    :angry8: guar hydroxypropyltrimonium chloride, sulfates, jojoba oil
    Neutral on cones.

    iherb discount code: CFN646
  • Wavy7sWavy7s Posts: 66Registered Users
    wavydaze wrote: »
    Does anyone with fine and/or low-porosity hair have good luck with it?

    How about fine, low-porosity and high dews? :D

    :wave: I have fine and pow-porosity hair. The dew points where I live are all over the map on any given day.
    I like PP in any dews, being glycerine free helps it work in both for me. I find PP gives me good definition and clumps, along with serious shine but, on it's own it doesn't have enough hold for my 2b waves.
    I use it as a 'base layer' or an enhancer, with another harder hold product on top. (I can't currently recommend a hard hold, as I'm still searching for one without the dreaded polyquat 4 :confused3:) But, I will say that PP has 'played nice' with any product I have put over or under it.
    2b/c
    Fine, low porosity, med density, normal elasticity.
    Dislikes: Aloe by itself, cheap gels, and heavy butters
    Co-wash: CJ Daily Fix
    Condish: CJ Beauticurls Strengthening
    LI: Curlsmith Oil-in-Cream
    Stylers: CJ Curl Queen, Flaxseed gel, Uncle Funky's Daughter Curly Magic.
    PT: CJ Repair Me or IA Girls PT w/ mag. sulfate,
    DT: CJ Rehab and Righteous Roots Hair Rx or Pre-poo oil.
  • wavydazewavydaze Posts: 2,061Registered Users
    Wavy7s if you're looking for a hard hold gel without polyquats try Volumax Mega from Sally's!


    I have to say I just bought Pattern Pusha. I only tried it on dry and naked hair and I loved it. But it is true the next day (3rd day hair?) I had a little bit of flaking. I have to experiment more. But I loved the feel of it. Reminded me of and performed a lot like FSG out of anything I've tried (and I love FSG). The hair had a no-product feel to it. Didn't weigh me down. If the flaking thing isn't an issue this will fast become my favorite gel!
    2bc/ f / ii. low porosity roots + normal-high porosity shaft where bleached. normal elasticity.

    Currently using:
    Poo: Earthbath Oatmeal & Aloe
    RO: V05 Kiwi Lime
    LI: CJ Smoothing Lotion
    Styler: UFD CM, CJ PP
    PT: CJ Repair Me

    :thumright: hydrolized protein, jelly stylers
    :angry8: guar hydroxypropyltrimonium chloride, sulfates, jojoba oil
    Neutral on cones.

    iherb discount code: CFN646
  • JuliaRoseJuliaRose Posts: 68Registered Users
    Seconding VERY hard hold with Volumax from Sally's. I bought some and used it this morning for the first time on wet hair. I was way too heavy handed and my hair was crunch city. I'm going to need to figure out how to use it properly!

    The parts where I was able to SOTC are curly and soft, but I'm losing some curls and getting some frizz where I had to try harder to SOTC.
    Cowash: CJ Daily Fix
    RO: Sweet Curls Elixirs Conditioning Elixir
    Styler: SCE Flax Seed Gel and Hard Hold Gel
  • wavydazewavydaze Posts: 2,061Registered Users
    I apply to soaking wet hair. I also water it down a bit in my hand before applying. Good distribution is key with the Volumax ... it takes a few tries for sure to get it right.
    2bc/ f / ii. low porosity roots + normal-high porosity shaft where bleached. normal elasticity.

    Currently using:
    Poo: Earthbath Oatmeal & Aloe
    RO: V05 Kiwi Lime
    LI: CJ Smoothing Lotion
    Styler: UFD CM, CJ PP
    PT: CJ Repair Me

    :thumright: hydrolized protein, jelly stylers
    :angry8: guar hydroxypropyltrimonium chloride, sulfates, jojoba oil
    Neutral on cones.

    iherb discount code: CFN646
  • JuliaRoseJuliaRose Posts: 68Registered Users
    I'm thinking of cutting it with some SM Curl Smoothie just to see what happens.

    *fingers crossed* :)

    UPDATE: I added just a tiny bit of SMCS to Volumax and some water and my curls look & feel pretty great today!
    Cowash: CJ Daily Fix
    RO: Sweet Curls Elixirs Conditioning Elixir
    Styler: SCE Flax Seed Gel and Hard Hold Gel