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Lighter Alternative To Shea Moisture Coconut Hibiscus

This winter I discovered Shea Moisture Coconut Hibiscus products. When I first got it home and put a little bit in my hand I was sure I had wasted my money. It felt so oily. It turned out to be the best thing since sliced bread! Even though it is oily it is somehow light and doesn't weigh my hair done. My hair is extremely thick and can get really flat on top with heavy products. This stuff was the perfect medium. It kept the frizz down and helped define nice curls even in the winter without making my hair go flat. I use smaller than a dime amount of the shampoo just on the top of my scalp to give it more body. I used the leave in conditioner as a rinse out. I put the smoothie on before getting out of the shower and the shine spray is awesome for touch ups or to finish off after my hair is completely dry. I had high hopes that maybe I could even use it in the summer even though I usually have to switch to something lighter in the summer since our weather is extremely humid. The humidity does great things for my curls but with heavy products it can also make it go flat.

No such luck! As soon as we got our first bout of warm weather my hair went kind of flat and limp. But the worst part was that it just wouldn't dry with all that extra moisture from the Shea products. It was still wet at 2PM. So, I think I have to find something else for summer. Last summer I was using Giovanni Smooth As Silk. I thought I loved it but now that I know what the Shea products can do I feel like my hair is so much frizzier with the Giovanni than the Shea. I really need to use the Direct Leave In Conditioner with it but I can't stand it because it makes my hair stick together like glue. (Though it does make it look great.) So, yesterday I ordered Yes To Carrots shampoo, conditioner, leave in and frizz serum. I used the shampoo and conditioner a few years ago and really liked it but for some reason moved on to other things. I am HOPING it will work for me but I am not sure. Can anyone recommend any products that are very similar to the Shea products but a bit lighter. I CAN NOT stand anything with a strong, perfumey, chemical small. I know a lot of people think the Shea smells strong but to me it is a light natural smell which I can handle. Thanks for your help!
2C, low porosity, high density, coarse, shoulder length No sulfates, no parabens, no silicones
Shampoo- Shea Moisture Coconut Hibiscus, Giovanni Smooth As Silk, Deva No Poo, Nature's Gate Aloe Vera, Yes To Carrots
Conditioner- Shea Moisture Curl & Style Milk, Giovanni Smooth As Silk, Deva One Condition, Nature's Gate Aloe Vera, Yes To Carrots
Styler- Shea Moisture Curl Enhancing Smoothie, Shea Moisture Shine & Hold Mist, Yes to Carrots Leave In and Yes To Carrots Anti-Frizz Serum
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  • DepressedCurlsDepressedCurls Posts: 836Registered Users
    Bump, having the same problem.

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  • MyrnaMyrna Posts: 2,332Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    OK, we both have low porosity, coarse hair. Mine is probably medium density. I use the Shea shampoos - daily. I have used Giovanni smooth as silk, but I can only use it one day at a time, not daily, because of the protein, I think. So, I have switched to Tresemme Naturals. However, and having said that, today I used Yes to Cucumbers shampoo - and I do use it occasionally - and my hair came out great. I also added a bit of gel to my routine, so I cannot determine if it was the gel or the shampoo. I too find myself wishing for a shampoo alternative - because I wash every day - and am pretty sure Yes to would not do well every day. But, I dont know that for sure. I did not use a leave in today either, and maybe your hair, like mine, does not absorb well.
  • lenielenie Posts: 20Registered Users
    Bump

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    2b newbie as of 4/8/13
    Fine hair, normal porosity. Still experimenting to determine moisture and protein preferences.

    So far.....
    Occasional Wash: SM Shea Butter Curl & Shine
    Co-wash:Suave Naturals Coconut, VO5 Kiwi Lime

    Plopping and diffusing
  • pianogirlpianogirl Posts: 59Registered Users
    Thanks for the replies and bumps. I have noticed Myrna that our hair sounds similar. I think my hair may not absorb well. I am one of those people whose hair usually gets better looking as the day goes on. By the time I get home from work it is looking great! I never really thought my hair was frizzy but the Shea made me realize how much more smooth and defined my curls could be. I never thought something that oily would work and I LOVE that it doesn't feel oily. I have never really been a gel user or much of a styling product user but I'm starting to realize I think I need something to give my curls some definition and to tame my hair a bit. But, I can't stand greasy, sticky stuff. Basically, after I put it in my hair if I feel like I have to wash my hands I don't want it on my hair. Or, if (sin of all sins) it keeps me from being able to get a comb through my hair I don't want it in there. Have you tried the Yes To Carrots leave in or anti frizz serum?
    2C, low porosity, high density, coarse, shoulder length No sulfates, no parabens, no silicones
    Shampoo- Shea Moisture Coconut Hibiscus, Giovanni Smooth As Silk, Deva No Poo, Nature's Gate Aloe Vera, Yes To Carrots
    Conditioner- Shea Moisture Curl & Style Milk, Giovanni Smooth As Silk, Deva One Condition, Nature's Gate Aloe Vera, Yes To Carrots
    Styler- Shea Moisture Curl Enhancing Smoothie, Shea Moisture Shine & Hold Mist, Yes to Carrots Leave In and Yes To Carrots Anti-Frizz Serum
  • kathymackkathymack Posts: 9,999Registered Users
    I'm fine/low porosity. While I use a lot of really rich products, I found the SM Coconut Hibiscus products really heavy, if you understand the difference. They just sat on my hair. I had to "wash" them out with a natural soap bar, if not a lowpoo.

    My hair LOVES protein, which your coarse hair might not like at all. Usually coarse haired curlies can use more protein in summer. Or, at least some proteins. You may want to investigate some of the products I use and see if they might work for you--especially some of the ones without protein.
    3a (Corkicelli), highlighted, fine, low porosity
    SE PA

    HGs: Anything Sevi; Curly Kinks Satin Roots, Curlycue ReNew and Coil Jam; homemade FSG and okra gel; soap bars; UFD Curly Magic; Botanical Spirits Jellies, CJ Repair Me, Aloe Fix
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  • MyrnaMyrna Posts: 2,332Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    Kathy, which ones dont have protein?
  • pianogirlpianogirl Posts: 59Registered Users
    Thanks for the reply. I will look at your products when I am on my computer later. I have read all this stuff about low porosity hair not liking protein but I have never noticed a problem with it. Some of my favorites seem to have protein.

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    2C, low porosity, high density, coarse, shoulder length No sulfates, no parabens, no silicones
    Shampoo- Shea Moisture Coconut Hibiscus, Giovanni Smooth As Silk, Deva No Poo, Nature's Gate Aloe Vera, Yes To Carrots
    Conditioner- Shea Moisture Curl & Style Milk, Giovanni Smooth As Silk, Deva One Condition, Nature's Gate Aloe Vera, Yes To Carrots
    Styler- Shea Moisture Curl Enhancing Smoothie, Shea Moisture Shine & Hold Mist, Yes to Carrots Leave In and Yes To Carrots Anti-Frizz Serum
  • kathymackkathymack Posts: 9,999Registered Users
    Myrna wrote: »
    Kathy, which ones dont have protein?

    My hair loves protein, so I don't pay that much attention to those that don't have it. Some of the products have things like sea kelp (like the CK Coil Jam) that some protein sensitive people can't use. I thought I'd originally read on the Curly Kinks website that the products are protein free--so wouldn't say. I feel that the Marie Dean products are well formulated--rich, but not heavy. She's always changing things, but you used to be able to buy protein free versions of the products.

    Off the top of my head, many of the jellies are protein free--both of the Botanical Spirits jellies, UFD Curly Magic, AIA Curling Gelly. Both the CK Curlycue ReNew and Sating Roots are protein free. For the other products, I'd look them up to make sure.

    The SM Milk has sea algae, the Smoothie has silk protein, so I imagine the OP can use some protein.
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    HGs: Anything Sevi; Curly Kinks Satin Roots, Curlycue ReNew and Coil Jam; homemade FSG and okra gel; soap bars; UFD Curly Magic; Botanical Spirits Jellies, CJ Repair Me, Aloe Fix
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  • kathymackkathymack Posts: 9,999Registered Users
    pianogirl wrote: »
    Thanks for the reply. I will look at your products when I am on my computer later. I have read all this stuff about low porosity hair not liking protein but I have never noticed a problem with it. Some of my favorites seem to have protein.

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    Only place I've ever read that low porosity hair doesn't like protein is on the nc.com page about it. That's why I don't give out that link. It's coarse hair that doesn't like protein. Many curlies think their hair is coarse, when it's just dry. Many nc.com posters were surprised to find out their hair wasn't coarse when they had their hair analyzed.

    The other suggestion I'd make is that you are using products with polyquats (Deva.) I find that the polyquats coat my hair and make it frizz when wet. It takes a really strong surfactant for me to remove them. It also makes product REALLY sit on my hair. You may want to clarify, stay away from polyquats and see what happens.
    3a (Corkicelli), highlighted, fine, low porosity
    SE PA

    HGs: Anything Sevi; Curly Kinks Satin Roots, Curlycue ReNew and Coil Jam; homemade FSG and okra gel; soap bars; UFD Curly Magic; Botanical Spirits Jellies, CJ Repair Me, Aloe Fix
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  • MyrnaMyrna Posts: 2,332Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    Thanks, Kathy. My hair can take some protein but not a lot. Back in the day, I used to use VO5 hot oil treatments, and I remembered how nice it made my hair feel. I have no idea if that is still on the market, or what is in it. I will have to investigate.

    What has made a difference for me is applying AVG as a sealer, after my RO, and at least now at this time of year, no LI.
  • pianogirlpianogirl Posts: 59Registered Users
    I am trying to read up on polyquats now. I don't know which products have them or if they have any effect on me. I would love anymore suggestions for products. I am anxious to get the Yes To Carrots line. Our weather has cooled off a little and I have been making do with the Shea products minus the smoothie.
    2C, low porosity, high density, coarse, shoulder length No sulfates, no parabens, no silicones
    Shampoo- Shea Moisture Coconut Hibiscus, Giovanni Smooth As Silk, Deva No Poo, Nature's Gate Aloe Vera, Yes To Carrots
    Conditioner- Shea Moisture Curl & Style Milk, Giovanni Smooth As Silk, Deva One Condition, Nature's Gate Aloe Vera, Yes To Carrots
    Styler- Shea Moisture Curl Enhancing Smoothie, Shea Moisture Shine & Hold Mist, Yes to Carrots Leave In and Yes To Carrots Anti-Frizz Serum
  • kathymackkathymack Posts: 9,999Registered Users
    pianogirl wrote: »
    I am trying to read up on polyquats now. I don't know which products have them or if they have any effect on me. I would love anymore suggestions for products. I am anxious to get the Yes To Carrots line. Our weather has cooled off a little and I have been making do with the Shea products minus the smoothie.

    My mistake, the Deva NoPoo doesn't have it (I thought it did, so it may have been different ingredients.) The LoPoo has 7 and 10, two that give me problems. Both the NoPoo and the One Conditioner have parabens.
    3a (Corkicelli), highlighted, fine, low porosity
    SE PA

    HGs: Anything Sevi; Curly Kinks Satin Roots, Curlycue ReNew and Coil Jam; homemade FSG and okra gel; soap bars; UFD Curly Magic; Botanical Spirits Jellies, CJ Repair Me, Aloe Fix
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  • MyrnaMyrna Posts: 2,332Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    I did not like no poo, Deva. It overconditioned my hair, especially with the CurlOne conditioner. I was just at Walgreens with a store credit, had my hands on Yes to Carrots, and Yes to Blueberries, but I think both have coco-betaine....
  • pianogirlpianogirl Posts: 59Registered Users
    I liked the Deva products but didn't even use a whole bottle. I thought they smelled weird and medicine like. I still have some in the shower and planned to use it this winter but then I found the Shea and never used anymore.

    I thought coco betaine was OK? I have a hard time keeping up with all of these chemicals!! I was using the Yes to Carrots when I didn't know as much about what I was doing. I think I quit the carrot line because it seemed to get an old smell very quickly like it was spoiled. I then tried the tomato line sometime after that and loved what it did to my hair (didn't weigh it down) but then it seemed like the fragrance changed and it got very perfumey. So, I am hoping I can make the carrots work for summer because I was never unhappy with what it did for my hair though I can't exactly remember what that was.
    2C, low porosity, high density, coarse, shoulder length No sulfates, no parabens, no silicones
    Shampoo- Shea Moisture Coconut Hibiscus, Giovanni Smooth As Silk, Deva No Poo, Nature's Gate Aloe Vera, Yes To Carrots
    Conditioner- Shea Moisture Curl & Style Milk, Giovanni Smooth As Silk, Deva One Condition, Nature's Gate Aloe Vera, Yes To Carrots
    Styler- Shea Moisture Curl Enhancing Smoothie, Shea Moisture Shine & Hold Mist, Yes to Carrots Leave In and Yes To Carrots Anti-Frizz Serum
  • MyrnaMyrna Posts: 2,332Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    I guess Ill do a search on coco betaine. I was using Yes to Tomatoes, and yes they did at one point change the formula, the bottle and the fragrance. Now I think it is only available on line. In any case, it is not in Walgreens, and the Yes to website seems to show it is only on line now, I dont know why. I also loved it, but I only had used the conditioner. I have yes to cucumbers shampoo.

    I think a lot of curlies graduated from Deva to the SM line. The SM line is better, smells better and is way cheaper. There is nothing special about Deva, IMO. Just the price and the hype.
  • CurlyCutie1394CurlyCutie1394 Posts: 348Registered Users
    I use the coconut and hibiscus line year round but in the summer I use less and dry my hair about 70% then the humidity doesn't increase the drying time just prevents crunchy hair
  • pianogirlpianogirl Posts: 59Registered Users
    For now I think I am going to have to stick with the Shea and just try less. The Yes To Carrots shipped today. I was actually using it long ago when it first showed up at Walgreens. I noticed the other day they only have the carrot one now and not the others. I ordered online because they had a package with the leave in and also had the anti-frizz serum. I want to try those. I'm praying they are sticky and perfumey and gross. I am not thrilled at the thought of getting stuck on a product I can only get online.
    2C, low porosity, high density, coarse, shoulder length No sulfates, no parabens, no silicones
    Shampoo- Shea Moisture Coconut Hibiscus, Giovanni Smooth As Silk, Deva No Poo, Nature's Gate Aloe Vera, Yes To Carrots
    Conditioner- Shea Moisture Curl & Style Milk, Giovanni Smooth As Silk, Deva One Condition, Nature's Gate Aloe Vera, Yes To Carrots
    Styler- Shea Moisture Curl Enhancing Smoothie, Shea Moisture Shine & Hold Mist, Yes to Carrots Leave In and Yes To Carrots Anti-Frizz Serum
  • pianogirlpianogirl Posts: 59Registered Users
    Myrna, do you use the Giovanni Smooth As Silk shampoo? It has Cocamidopropyl Betaine. I guess I will go look it up also!
    2C, low porosity, high density, coarse, shoulder length No sulfates, no parabens, no silicones
    Shampoo- Shea Moisture Coconut Hibiscus, Giovanni Smooth As Silk, Deva No Poo, Nature's Gate Aloe Vera, Yes To Carrots
    Conditioner- Shea Moisture Curl & Style Milk, Giovanni Smooth As Silk, Deva One Condition, Nature's Gate Aloe Vera, Yes To Carrots
    Styler- Shea Moisture Curl Enhancing Smoothie, Shea Moisture Shine & Hold Mist, Yes to Carrots Leave In and Yes To Carrots Anti-Frizz Serum
  • anonymous_133347anonymous_133347 Posts: 1,426Registered Users
    question for you pianogirl, does shampoo and conditioner make that big a difference in how flat/frizzy your hair is in reaction to summer weather? (i live where there is no humidity so i am curious.) basically why do you feel the need to change your entire line of hair care products? don't you feel finishing product (aka smoothie or whatever leave in of choice) is the most important thing? i can cowash with a variety of products but they don't seem to make much of a difference in how my hair reacts to weather out of the shower. what seems to matter with my hair is how i style it and how much leave in i use.

    oh also pretty sure the deva nopoo and one condition are paraben free because i scoped out both at ulta a few months ago (bought the OC for my mom) and i dont use parabens. however they are obviously overpriced and feature an obnoxious amount of fragrance. first time i could ever smell a bottle without having to pop it open
    3A - C, HP, ME, HD. (Coarse, High Porosity, Medium Elasticity, High Density.)

    CG since Nov. 2012

    Poos: SM Moisture Retention + Yucca Baobab, TJ's Tea Tree Tingle
    Condish: TJ 'sTea Tree Tingle*, SM Moisture Retention* + Curl & Shine + Yucca Baobab, Yes to Blueberries
    Stylers: KCKT*, SM Curl Enhancing Smoothie* + Curl & Style Milk*, KCCC*, FSG*, CJ Pattern Pusha, Curl Keeper
    Sealers: Jojoba* or Grapeseed* oil

    * = HG

  • kathymackkathymack Posts: 9,999Registered Users
    I looked up the ingredients at aveyou

    NoPoo Ingredients on CurlMart:
    Water (Aqua, Eau), Cetyl Alcohol, Glycerin, Isopropyl Palmitate, Behentrimonium Chloride, Polyquaternium-7, Laureth-4, Vitis Vinifera (Grape) Seed Oil, Propylene Glycol, Mentha Piperita (Peppermint) Oil, Triticum Aestivum (Wheat) Peptide, Avena Sativa (Oat) Peptide, Glycine Soja (Soybean) Peptide, Melissa Officinalis Extract, Humulus Lupulus (Hops) Extract, Cymbopogon Schoenanthus Extract, Chamomilla Recutita (Matricaria) Extract, Rosmarinus Officinalis (Rosemary) Extract, Achillea Millefolium Extract, Cocamidopropyl Betaine, Menthol, Citric Acid, Diazolidinyl Urea, Iodopropynyl Butylcarbamate, Fragrance (Parfum)

    NoPoo Ingredients on Aveyou:

    Aqueous Extracts of: Achilea Millefolium, Chamomilla Recutita (Matricaria), Cymbopogon Schoenanthus, Humulus Lupulus (Hops), Melissa Offcinalis (Balm Mint), Rosmarinus Offcinalis (Rosemary), Isopropyl Palmitate, Cetyl Alcohol, Behentrimonium Chloride, Laureth-4, Grape Seed Oil, Peppermint Oil, Propylene Glycol, Wheat Amino Acids, Soy Amino Acids, Oat Amino Acids, Diazolidinyl Urea, Methyl Paraben, Propyl Paraben, Menthol, Fragrance.

    At least I'm not crazy, the ingredients on CurlMart have the polyquat!
    3a (Corkicelli), highlighted, fine, low porosity
    SE PA

    HGs: Anything Sevi; Curly Kinks Satin Roots, Curlycue ReNew and Coil Jam; homemade FSG and okra gel; soap bars; UFD Curly Magic; Botanical Spirits Jellies, CJ Repair Me, Aloe Fix
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  • pianogirlpianogirl Posts: 59Registered Users
    That is great question. I do feel like shampoo and conditioner make a huge difference on my hair in general. My hair is EXTREMELY thick. Light products seem to make it really fluffy and heavy products can really weigh it done and make it flat on top especially. So, I have to work to find something in the middle that gives it some control and weight without making it flat. Then the weather really makes a huge difference. I find things I like and think they will work all year and they never do. It is very dry here in the winter. My curls really need extra moisture or my hair gets much straighter. It is EXTREMELY humid in the summer. My curls usually look great but again heavy products can make it flat on top and lead to taking forever to dry.

    Maybe you are correct about styling products. I have never used very many. Most are sticky and gross to me. And my hair looks pretty decent without them. Though my experience with great hair this winter using the smoothie is making me reevaluate them. I would love suggestions. Do I need to use all the same products in a line? I always feel like I do. That's one reason I decided to find an alternative to Giovanni for summer their leave in is very sticky and so was the gel they had when I was at the store. Any good products that aren't sticky?

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    2C, low porosity, high density, coarse, shoulder length No sulfates, no parabens, no silicones
    Shampoo- Shea Moisture Coconut Hibiscus, Giovanni Smooth As Silk, Deva No Poo, Nature's Gate Aloe Vera, Yes To Carrots
    Conditioner- Shea Moisture Curl & Style Milk, Giovanni Smooth As Silk, Deva One Condition, Nature's Gate Aloe Vera, Yes To Carrots
    Styler- Shea Moisture Curl Enhancing Smoothie, Shea Moisture Shine & Hold Mist, Yes to Carrots Leave In and Yes To Carrots Anti-Frizz Serum
  • anonymous_133347anonymous_133347 Posts: 1,426Registered Users
    kathymack--of course ur not. didn't mean to suggest you were. it's just i think you said paraben earlier (admittedly in a conversation about polyquats so it probably was a typo) and i know the deva bottles say silicone, sulfate, paraben free on the label. and anytime i see the word paraben i get wary bc i've been avoiding parabens in skin care products years before i carried the tradition over to hair ones.

    pianogirl--i have two favorite hair care lines, shea moisture and kinky curly, but i've always been okay with experimenting with products from different lines too and so far i have never encountered two products that clashed. but that might just be because i am porous. maybe on someone with low porosity products can clash if they are just sitting on top of the hair strand. as for products being sticky, i feel you, but sometimes products that are sticky and goopy in your hand (my two favs are homemade FSG and KCCC) are not even remotely sticky in your hair, so you can't you really judge the book by its cover. you might want to read this thread for product suggestion that work in summer humidity:

    http://www.naturallycurly.com/curltalk/general-discussion-about-curly-hair/157051-calling-all-curlies-super-humid-locations-lets-share-high-dew-tips.html

    or check the frizz forecast on this site for advice. besides the curl enhancing smoothie, my other go to leave ins are the curl and style milk which is already a lot like the smoothie but lighter or kinky curly knot today which isn't really sticky. it is light with slip for days.
    3A - C, HP, ME, HD. (Coarse, High Porosity, Medium Elasticity, High Density.)

    CG since Nov. 2012

    Poos: SM Moisture Retention + Yucca Baobab, TJ's Tea Tree Tingle
    Condish: TJ 'sTea Tree Tingle*, SM Moisture Retention* + Curl & Shine + Yucca Baobab, Yes to Blueberries
    Stylers: KCKT*, SM Curl Enhancing Smoothie* + Curl & Style Milk*, KCCC*, FSG*, CJ Pattern Pusha, Curl Keeper
    Sealers: Jojoba* or Grapeseed* oil

    * = HG

  • kathymackkathymack Posts: 9,999Registered Users
    dusalocks wrote: »
    kathymack--of course ur not. didn't mean to suggest you were. it's just i think you said paraben earlier (admittedly in a conversation about polyquats so it probably was a typo) and i know the deva bottles say silicone, sulfate, paraben free on the label. and anytime i see the word paraben i get wary bc i've been avoiding parabens in skin care products years before i carried the tradition over to hair ones.

    pianogirl--i have two favorite hair care lines, shea moisture and kinky curly, but i've always been okay with experimenting with products from different lines too and so far i have never encountered two products that clashed. but that might just be because i am porous. maybe on someone with low porosity products can clash if they are just sitting on top of the hair strand. as for products being sticky, i feel you, but sometimes products that are sticky and goopy in your hand (my two favs are homemade FSG and KCCC) are not even remotely sticky in your hair, so you can't you really judge the book by its cover. you might want to read this thread for product suggestion that work in summer humidity:

    http://www.naturallycurly.com/curltalk/general-discussion-about-curly-hair/157051-calling-all-curlies-super-humid-locations-lets-share-high-dew-tips.html

    or check the frizz forecast on this site for advice. besides the curl enhancing smoothie, my other go to leave ins are the curl and style milk which is already a lot like the smoothie but lighter or kinky curly knot today which isn't really sticky. it is light with slip for days.

    I'm the one who thought I was crazy. I saw polyquats in the ingredients and mentioned it. Then I looked them up (on what turned out to be a different website) and the ingredients didn't have polyquats, but did have parabens. Obviously, aveyou is using old ingredients, It made me think something was wrong, so I mentioned it, LOL!
    3a (Corkicelli), highlighted, fine, low porosity
    SE PA

    HGs: Anything Sevi; Curly Kinks Satin Roots, Curlycue ReNew and Coil Jam; homemade FSG and okra gel; soap bars; UFD Curly Magic; Botanical Spirits Jellies, CJ Repair Me, Aloe Fix
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  • LoveInBetweenLoveInBetween Posts: 392Registered Users
    My bottle of No Poo have the polyquat too.

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    Curl Routine
    Co: As I am Coconut CoWash,VO5 Claifying Conditioner
    DC: Macadamia Repair Masque
    LI: KCKT, Suave Naturals Coconut
    Style Creme: Shea Moisture Curl Enhancing Smoothie
    Gel: KCCC, Eco Styler Argan Oil
    Sealer: EVCO, EVOO

    3b/3c, High Desity, High Porosity, Medium Texture, BSL
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  • pianogirlpianogirl Posts: 59Registered Users
    Dusalocks, thanks for your advice. It is helpful. I believe Target carries kinky curly knot today if I'm not mistaken. I was curious about it so may check it out. I don't live in a real big city so some brands or products can be hard to find. I like to try sticking with things I can get easily without having to order. I will also check that link. I will also keep in mind about not judging a book by its cover. Generally. I put a small amount in my hand and if I feel it needs washing I pass it up. Maybe I should be more adventurous.
    2C, low porosity, high density, coarse, shoulder length No sulfates, no parabens, no silicones
    Shampoo- Shea Moisture Coconut Hibiscus, Giovanni Smooth As Silk, Deva No Poo, Nature's Gate Aloe Vera, Yes To Carrots
    Conditioner- Shea Moisture Curl & Style Milk, Giovanni Smooth As Silk, Deva One Condition, Nature's Gate Aloe Vera, Yes To Carrots
    Styler- Shea Moisture Curl Enhancing Smoothie, Shea Moisture Shine & Hold Mist, Yes to Carrots Leave In and Yes To Carrots Anti-Frizz Serum
  • SamanthascurlzSamanthascurlz Posts: 1,082Registered Users
    pianogirl wrote: »
    Dusalocks, thanks for your advice. It is helpful. I believe Target carries kinky curly knot today if I'm not mistaken. I was curious about it so may check it out. I don't live in a real big city so some brands or products can be hard to find. I like to try sticking with things I can get easily without having to order. I will also check that link. I will also keep in mind about not judging a book by its cover. Generally. I put a small amount in my hand and if I feel it needs washing I pass it up. Maybe I should be more adventurous.

    Target does carry it, just so you know :-)
    CG, High Porosity, Fine, Low Density, Medium Elasticity
    Suave, V05, GF Go clean gel, ACV rinses, CO, and Gelatine PT.
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  • MyrnaMyrna Posts: 2,332Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    Yep, I have seen it at Target.
  • pianogirlpianogirl Posts: 59Registered Users
    Myrna, have you used the Kinky Curly? Do you like it? I am already wondering if the Yes To Carrots order was a mistake. I saw your other post about it having a sulfate. How did I miss that?? I thought it was a safe product. All these chemicals get so confusing and the constant reformulations don't help. Maybe I will go to target today.

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    2C, low porosity, high density, coarse, shoulder length No sulfates, no parabens, no silicones
    Shampoo- Shea Moisture Coconut Hibiscus, Giovanni Smooth As Silk, Deva No Poo, Nature's Gate Aloe Vera, Yes To Carrots
    Conditioner- Shea Moisture Curl & Style Milk, Giovanni Smooth As Silk, Deva One Condition, Nature's Gate Aloe Vera, Yes To Carrots
    Styler- Shea Moisture Curl Enhancing Smoothie, Shea Moisture Shine & Hold Mist, Yes to Carrots Leave In and Yes To Carrots Anti-Frizz Serum
  • MyrnaMyrna Posts: 2,332Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    Pianogirl, Rizos posted the following in my thread about the "cocos" in Yes to Cucumbers:

    "The new formula on the Yesto Cucumbers is perfectly CG. The cleansers are disodium cocoamphodiacetate and cocamidopropyl betaine (both are mild agents) and no sulfates."

    I have a credit at walgreens, and I am going to get another bottle, as I have the old formula. This is Cucumbers, now, not Carrots. I have not used Carrots.

    Are you asking about the KC shampoo or the curling custard? they are both "KCCC". I have not tried the shampoo.

    I got a sample once of the KCCC from Whole Foods, and I do not recall liking it, but that was before I started my new routine. I wash every day, and not with conditioner. I just discovered my hair's properties, and what it needs, so now I am feeling much more confident.

    Why do you think the Carrots may have been a mistake? Its another line that is very popular here. I just thought way back when that Cucumbers was a better fit for my hair, as it is not dry. I have their Yes to Tomatoes conditioner, and have used that and liked it a lot as well, may use it in warmer more humid months.
  • pianogirlpianogirl Posts: 59Registered Users
    Myrna, I would be curious about any Kinky Curly products you might have tried. Stuff that works for you seems similar to what works for me. I went to Target today but they were out of the Kinky Curly Knot Today. So, I didn't get anything. I am wondering if the carrots was a mistake because in the thread below people are saying it has a sulfate. I have been trying to avoid all the "bad" stuff....sulfates, parabens etc. I didn't know about cones until recently but trying to avoid them too. It's just hard to keep up. I thought maybe I would get the Kinky Curly products today and maybe return the Yes To Carrots. This weekend I have been using the Shea Moisture and gone really light with the moisture milk and smoothie. It seems to be working pretty well but hard to tell for sure. It has been super windy and not too humid though it is starting to warm up.

    http://www.naturallycurly.com/curltalk/general-discussion-about-curly-hair/157230-sorry-my-confusion-about-sodium-coco-sulfate-yes-products.html
    2C, low porosity, high density, coarse, shoulder length No sulfates, no parabens, no silicones
    Shampoo- Shea Moisture Coconut Hibiscus, Giovanni Smooth As Silk, Deva No Poo, Nature's Gate Aloe Vera, Yes To Carrots
    Conditioner- Shea Moisture Curl & Style Milk, Giovanni Smooth As Silk, Deva One Condition, Nature's Gate Aloe Vera, Yes To Carrots
    Styler- Shea Moisture Curl Enhancing Smoothie, Shea Moisture Shine & Hold Mist, Yes to Carrots Leave In and Yes To Carrots Anti-Frizz Serum
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