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MyrnaMyrna Posts: 2,359Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
Today it rained. It poured. I had used my SM shampoo, my TN conditioner; CK, and 3 spritzes of hair spray. BIG mistake, that hair spray - frizz. But it rained, it poured, all day! so what does my low porosity, coarse hair need in this horrible weather?
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  • anonymous_133347anonymous_133347 Posts: 1,426Registered Users
    Myrna, do you seal? That might make a difference in keeping excess moisture out. Also kinky curly does a good job of keeping the rain from frizzing my coarse, high porosity hair if that helps. I think because of the aloe in it that helps seal my hair.
    3A - C, HP, ME, HD. (Coarse, High Porosity, Medium Elasticity, High Density.)

    CG since Nov. 2012

    Poos: SM Moisture Retention + Yucca Baobab, TJ's Tea Tree Tingle
    Condish: TJ 'sTea Tree Tingle*, SM Moisture Retention* + Curl & Shine + Yucca Baobab, Yes to Blueberries
    Stylers: KCKT*, SM Curl Enhancing Smoothie* + Curl & Style Milk*, KCCC*, FSG*, CJ Pattern Pusha, Curl Keeper
    Sealers: Jojoba* or Grapeseed* oil

    * = HG

  • MyrnaMyrna Posts: 2,359Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    Dusa, I dont. I have not found a good sealing product and I dont know where to start. The SM milk? should I use AVG over CK? under? WAAAAAAH!!:banghead::banghead:
  • anonymous_133347anonymous_133347 Posts: 1,426Registered Users
    Most people just use oil I think. I really like jojoba and grapeseed oil since they are light. I use either by mixing it with my leave in conditioner and smoothing it over the body of my wet hair. So maybe take a dime-quarter size of your TN conditioner while you're still in the shower and add a few drops of oil. Or just smooth the oil in your palm and glaze your hair with it once you're out of the shower and not dripping, before you apply your curl keeper. But you're right if I'm using the SM milk or the smoothie as a leave in I tend to bypass the oil because those products are so moisturizing I believe they seal me all on their own. And yes you can also use straight up AVG to seal. It's really good at regulating the PH of your hair which makes your hair far less prone to frizz. I haven't tried it yet but I throw it in my FSG and that stuff eats frizz. Just like KCCC. Also user rmc2 I think told me she mixes Lily of the Valley aloe gel, 3 parts that to one part jojoba and makes a hair gel out of that. That sounds like it would keep any and all frizz out if you were just to make a mixture to seal. Maybe treat it like a leave in conditioner before the curl keeper/finishing product or something. . .
    3A - C, HP, ME, HD. (Coarse, High Porosity, Medium Elasticity, High Density.)

    CG since Nov. 2012

    Poos: SM Moisture Retention + Yucca Baobab, TJ's Tea Tree Tingle
    Condish: TJ 'sTea Tree Tingle*, SM Moisture Retention* + Curl & Shine + Yucca Baobab, Yes to Blueberries
    Stylers: KCKT*, SM Curl Enhancing Smoothie* + Curl & Style Milk*, KCCC*, FSG*, CJ Pattern Pusha, Curl Keeper
    Sealers: Jojoba* or Grapeseed* oil

    * = HG

  • MyrnaMyrna Posts: 2,359Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    Dusa, I have some AVG that I can try in the shower like you suggested. I also have a bottle of the SM Coconut Hibiscus shine spray, but Ive not really used it because I dont know exactly what it is for, or how to use it...do you have any thoughts? And, I have had the milk, and the smoothie in my hand so many times I cannot count...but you see, it is my understanding that low porosity hair does not really absorb, and products can kind of "sit" on the hair and just weigh it down (has happened to me) or make the hair greasy...I cant stand that. I also have ReCoil, and could try some of that with the CK....oh dear, I need a drink. Straight up, no pun intended...
  • Jas76Jas76 Posts: 2,283Registered Users
    Oh Myrna, I feel your pain!! Lol!! Of course for me mineral oil is the only way to really combat humidity. I'm not sure how that would work for your low porous hair, but it's my miracle.

    Jojoba and grapeseed work pretty well, but their effects don't last like MO. I still use them in good dews or days I won't be going out much and know I'll have a chance to wash again the next day. I've use MO with success on days where I'm outside in high dews for several hours, even.

    I have the SM shine spray. I use it almost like a hairspray, and as a refresher. I use it on dry hair - I don't know that I've tried it on damp at all, actually.

    I'm not sure if any of that helped, but that's all I can add to help, I think. :/
    2c/3a/3b, Fine/med, Dense, high porous, & normal elas.

    Lo-poo - Renpure Keratin, SMR, Giovanni SaS
    clarifying - mix Johnson's H2T with low poo
    Co-wash - Suave Nats. clar. or coco.
    RO - GVPCB, Ion Eff. Care, TN.
    LI - SMR, Cure Care, or RO
    Seal - MO or Jojoba
    DT - + honey, ACV, & EVOO to SM masque & GVPCB
    PT - Gelatin!, CNPF
    Styling - FSG, AIF, BRHG, LALS/PS, GF curl spray gel, SM Souffle/Smoothie, LOOB
    Oils - MO!, EVOO, jojoba, GSO, SM Elixer, EVCO, VO5 Hairdressing
  • MyrnaMyrna Posts: 2,359Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    Look, I am sure you know by now I am quirky but I cannot stand oil on me - on any part of my body. I dont like the idea of oil on my hair, at all - I know its just an ideosyncracy of mine but I cant put oil on my hair, I dont think - and because it is low porosity I think it would just grease it up. Maybe not coconut oil but I dont know how to use it, its like candle wax...
  • JessiebananaJessiebanana Posts: 940Banned Users
    Are you sure you're low porosity? Perhaps some of your product frustration stems from you not having an accurate description of your hair.

    Anywho, sealing sounds like a good idea.
    3C/Fine to Medium/Low Porosity/High Density

    :love5:MoistureMoistureMoisture:love5:

    Low Poo: CJ Gentle Cleansing Shampoo
    RO/DC: DB Pumpkin Seed Curl Moisturizing Conditioner
    LI: CJ Smoothing Lotion
    Styler: Queen Helene Sculpturing Gel & Glaze

    No Salts, No Waxes, No Butters, No Heavy Oils
    No ACV, No Saponified Oils, Protein Sensitive
  • MyrnaMyrna Posts: 2,359Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    pretty sure. Meets the criteria. Havent had it analyzed and dont plan to.
  • TrickTrick Posts: 140Registered Users
    Myrna, if you heat coconut oil just a little bit it turns to liquid -- I leave my jar in my upstairs bathroom and it's warm enough in there that it's pretty much always liquid!

    2c/3a, fine, low porosity.

    Poo: Garnier Fructis Pure Clean (yes, it has A Sulfate!!, but I have Teflon hair)
    Co-wash (when I feel so inclined, which isn't often!): VO5 Kiwi Lime Clarifying Conditioner
    Conditioner/LI:
    same for both -- whatever I have in the shower at the time (I experiment a lot)
    Style: EcoStyler Olive Oil <3
    Dry: Diffuse or air dry, or both...depends on my mood

  • JessiebananaJessiebanana Posts: 940Banned Users
    Myrna wrote: »
    pretty sure. Meets the criteria. Havent had it analyzed and dont plan to.

    I'm not saying you should. I haven't had mine done. I would focus more on how your hair is reacting. Even though it's low porosity it seems to be more sensitive to the outside environment. Maybe the glycerin in Curl Keeper isn't working for your hair consistently enough.

    I've read vinegar rinses help seal the cuticle. Perhaps that's something you can add to your routine more often instead of oil.
    3C/Fine to Medium/Low Porosity/High Density

    :love5:MoistureMoistureMoisture:love5:

    Low Poo: CJ Gentle Cleansing Shampoo
    RO/DC: DB Pumpkin Seed Curl Moisturizing Conditioner
    LI: CJ Smoothing Lotion
    Styler: Queen Helene Sculpturing Gel & Glaze

    No Salts, No Waxes, No Butters, No Heavy Oils
    No ACV, No Saponified Oils, Protein Sensitive
  • Jas76Jas76 Posts: 2,283Registered Users
    I get it (about the oil.). I had the same concerns when I first started sealing.

    But we're talking a few DROPS, on wet hair. I've never experienced any oily feeling at all, even with MO which doesn't really absorb (or at least doesn't for a long time.)

    You might give it a shot on a weekend day or something, just to see how it goes. That way you can wash it out if you do have any trouble.


    If you aren't open to sealing, I'd guess maybe leave off the CK on rainy days, though I thought it was supposed to help humidity - but maybe that's just not the case for your hair?

    Is there enough moisture IN your hair before you use the CK?

    The ACV might be a good thing to try. I mix a little in my RO rather than actually rinsing with it, just so I can take a step out.

    Idk. It gets frustrating, doesn't it??
    2c/3a/3b, Fine/med, Dense, high porous, & normal elas.

    Lo-poo - Renpure Keratin, SMR, Giovanni SaS
    clarifying - mix Johnson's H2T with low poo
    Co-wash - Suave Nats. clar. or coco.
    RO - GVPCB, Ion Eff. Care, TN.
    LI - SMR, Cure Care, or RO
    Seal - MO or Jojoba
    DT - + honey, ACV, & EVOO to SM masque & GVPCB
    PT - Gelatin!, CNPF
    Styling - FSG, AIF, BRHG, LALS/PS, GF curl spray gel, SM Souffle/Smoothie, LOOB
    Oils - MO!, EVOO, jojoba, GSO, SM Elixer, EVCO, VO5 Hairdressing
  • RizosMioRizosMio Posts: 141Registered Users
    You could also seal with a non-waterbased cream...low porosity tends to not absorb oil resulting in a greasyish look but some people can make it work.

    I personally use Komaza Califia Moisturizing Cream (any cream/butter without water will act as a sealant though) and I love it...I don't use any sort of pure oil though, synthetic or natural.
  • MyrnaMyrna Posts: 2,359Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    YES, its frustrating, Jas. I have considered some oil, small amounts like you said...I have some baby oil here, will that be OK? trick, my CO turns to liquid in the warm weather - it is the cosmetic type - but it is solid right now . I suppose I could melt some and use a bit of that. Jessie, I have thought about the glycerin in CK; and have never figured out the glycerin bit, although I have stayed away from it until the CK. Its not in the top ingredients, in any case...I think for a lot of curlies, CK by itself is not enough, and this may be the case when it is rainy and humid. In any case, I took Dusa's suggestion today and slathered on some AVG in the shower after the LI and before CK.. Will see how that goes. The issue with ACV is it kind of "strips" my hair, in other words, I think it removes the moisturizing effects of my SN and CH shampoos...but I can try that again also. I kknow one thing for certain: adding water back into my hair after it has been styled and dried result always in frizz.
  • MyrnaMyrna Posts: 2,359Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    Rizos, that is exactly why I have not tried oil. Where do you get your Komaza Califia Moisturizing Cream, how long is your hair and how much do you use? and do you use it after your LI and before you add styling products?
  • turquoisecurlsturquoisecurls Posts: 134Registered Users
    Myrna, my daughter has low low low porosity hair and we had no luck sealing with oil ( grape seed oil works somewhat on low dew days), her hair just does not absorb it and leaves a greasy oily sheen.
    We have dews in the high 60's lately and her hair was a big poof ball, with no clue what else to try used EverSleek Humidity Defying Leave-In Creme by loreal and the transformation was awesome. She has waist length hair when wet and she put 3 pumps in soaking wet hair and followed up with a spray gel which left her with frizz free well defined curls for 2 days ( she usually washes every day because she is a very active 13 year old :toothy7:).
    My high porosity hair loves this stuff too, but I would never have thought it would work so well on low porosity hair.
    2c/3a cg 01/10/13

    Hair Properties: low( first 4 inches) / high porosity, medium density, fine/medium texture Climate : hot humid summer, coastal GA

    Co-wash: Suave Naturals Coconut / Everlasting Sunshine, V05
    Rinse out :Tresemme Naturals Nourishing Moisture, VO5 ocean refresh
    LI: SMCHM ,SMCS, JCRR,
    Gel: La Looks sport, Volumax mega gel,Biosilk Rock Hard gel my HG

    Love ACV , pedaheh's gelatin treatment
    My hair hates everything Deva curl and Curl Keeper,
  • RizosMioRizosMio Posts: 141Registered Users
    My hair is technically of normal porosity but I treat it as low. Because of its extreme coarseness, it acts like low and things do not penetrate, hard to wet, hard to treat, etc.

    I get Komaza on the ground from a local boutique but I'm in Montreal. I think most people order it from their site. Komaza was just an example, it's pricey (even more with shipping) so I'm not necessarily rec'ing it but it works very well for my hair properties.

    My hair is about APL...I use it after my LI (which is my conditioner) and that's pretty much I all I do. Condish on dampish hair followed by Komaza. I find that with low porosity it's important to not overload the hair. There is only so much it can absorb (at once) and using 4 products is just wasting money and annoying your strands because they cannot absorb it all. I narrow it down to the essentials - one moisturizer and one sealant. I don't use very much Komaza...I use a pea-ish sized amount for a small section, which I then braid up as I'm transitioning.
  • MyrnaMyrna Posts: 2,359Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    Rizos, I can relate. I used to think my hair weighed down easily; now I know it is either product overload, or that my hair wont absorb. Do you, or anyone reading this post, know if a sample is available somewhere of this product? It sure is pricey and I would hate to use it once and retire it the product graveyard...

    Turquoise, do you know what the ingredients are in the Eversleek creme?
  • turquoisecurlsturquoisecurls Posts: 134Registered Users
    Ingredients Eversleek
    AQUA / WATER / EAU, STEARYL ALCOHOL, GLYCERYL STEARATE SE, CETEARYL ALCOHOL, GLYCERIN, CETYL ESTERS, INULIN, CAPRYLIC/CAPRIC TRIGLYCERIDE, DICAPRYLYL ETHER, PARFUM / FRAGRANCE, HELIANTHUS ANNUUS SEED OIL / SUNFLOWER SEED OIL, SIMMONDSIA CHINENSIS OIL / JOJOBA SEED OIL, HYDROXYPROPYL GUAR, SODIUM BENZOATE, CAPRYLYL GLYCOL, XANTHAN GUM, OLEA EUROPAEA OIL / OLIVE FRUIT OIL, CITRIC ACID, ETHYLHEXYL PALMITATE, ARGANIA SPINOSA OIL /ARGANIA SPINOSA KERNEL OIL, HEXYL CINNAMAL, LINALOOL, TOCOPHEROL, BENZYL SALICYLATE, LIMONENE, BENZYL ALCOHOL, CITRONELLOL, COUMARIN, GERANIOL
    2c/3a cg 01/10/13

    Hair Properties: low( first 4 inches) / high porosity, medium density, fine/medium texture Climate : hot humid summer, coastal GA

    Co-wash: Suave Naturals Coconut / Everlasting Sunshine, V05
    Rinse out :Tresemme Naturals Nourishing Moisture, VO5 ocean refresh
    LI: SMCHM ,SMCS, JCRR,
    Gel: La Looks sport, Volumax mega gel,Biosilk Rock Hard gel my HG

    Love ACV , pedaheh's gelatin treatment
    My hair hates everything Deva curl and Curl Keeper,
  • irociroc Posts: 7,890Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    Have you tried sealing dry hair with a low hold gel?

    I always liked Curlkeeper for that too.

    Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I747 using CurlTalk App
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  • MyrnaMyrna Posts: 2,359Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    Thanks so much, Turquoise! the only thing that concerns me is the glycerin....as I said, I have not figured that out yet, but my CK has it...down the ingredients list a ways.
  • NelekeNeleke Posts: 456Registered Users
    seems I am sealing the wrong way... that would explain my frizzyness in perfectly good dews (frizz forecast tells me it's 44 today).
    I normally use jojoba oil... I put like 3-5 drops in my hand, spread it over my hands and smooth my hair with it when it is DRY. And I used to think that was "sealing".
    It would look greasy for like 2 hours, then it would start to become okish, but once I would leave home it would start to frizz as usual.

    So... you should apply it on wet hair?
    And only the ends or do you need to smooth your hair with it? And after or together with LI but before gel and mousse, right?

    I guess I'm low porosity, dense hair, fine structure, normal elasticity (haven't had the analysis yet, maybe will do it later on)
    2c: fine texture, normal porosity, normal elasticity, normal-high density
    CG since March 8th 2013
    Low Poo: Rainforest Radiance shampoo
    Conditioner: Yes to Cucumbers
    Styler: BRHG, Garnier Fructis Gel
    PT: Gliss Kur Repair & Volume

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  • JessiebananaJessiebanana Posts: 940Banned Users
    Well CK doesn't have many ingredients, so the order the ingredients are in may not mean a whole lot if they are added in close to equal parts.

    You said your hair refrizzes when water is added after styling, but that's what glycerin is actively going to be doing all day. Collecting moisture in the air and keeping it close to your hair.

    I'm not saying chuck it, but you might want a try a day without it. It can't hurt.

    I don't think you're supposed to do ACV more than a couple times a month. I'm actually going to try it for the first time today.

    I wouldn't start with baby oil, at least not directly. My hair hates oils alone. I can only tolerate them in products. It gets greasy so quick, even with a tiny amount...except avocado. That oil made my hair so frizzy and fluffy. It was strange.
    3C/Fine to Medium/Low Porosity/High Density

    :love5:MoistureMoistureMoisture:love5:

    Low Poo: CJ Gentle Cleansing Shampoo
    RO/DC: DB Pumpkin Seed Curl Moisturizing Conditioner
    LI: CJ Smoothing Lotion
    Styler: Queen Helene Sculpturing Gel & Glaze

    No Salts, No Waxes, No Butters, No Heavy Oils
    No ACV, No Saponified Oils, Protein Sensitive
  • MyrnaMyrna Posts: 2,359Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    I took Dusa's advise, and applied AVG to my wet hair after I conditioned, and added a bit of LI. Then I applied CK. It is not raining today, but my hair looks great. Thanks, Dusa! Now, one good hair day does not make a trend, but Ill see if this continues. I dont mind AVG on my hair. And yes, the ACV thing is not something I would do every day - unless I was stuck somewhere with very hard water.
  • anonymous_133347anonymous_133347 Posts: 1,426Registered Users
    Myrna wrote: »
    Dusa, I have some AVG that I can try in the shower like you suggested. I also have a bottle of the SM Coconut Hibiscus shine spray, but Ive not really used it because I dont know exactly what it is for, or how to use it...do you have any thoughts? And, I have had the milk, and the smoothie in my hand so many times I cannot count...but you see, it is my understanding that low porosity hair does not really absorb, and products can kind of "sit" on the hair and just weigh it down (has happened to me) or make the hair greasy...I cant stand that. I also have ReCoil, and could try some of that with the CK....oh dear, I need a drink. Straight up, no pun intended...

    I own three products from the Curl & Shine line but that's one of the ones I don't have. My understanding is it is a finishing product used after gel even to make thing set and add shine. I guess it could seal you bc of the oils but it does contain a drying alcohol. (Which is why I didn't buy it.) Oh I also couldn't stand it if something just "sat" on my hair. (Fortunately that has not happened to me since dropping silicones.)

    So I understand your frustration/aversion to oils. We are all quirky like that in our own way. (I, for instance, cannot stand the feel of a cotton ball. . . the hell? :confused4:) But I guarantee you there are moisturizing oils in many of your products. They are just blended in. So maybe that is what you can do. Take a few drops of oil and blend them in. Maybe you could get a little bottle and set aside some of your Tresemme, mix it with the appropriate ratio of grapeseed, jojoba, mineral oil, shake it up and set that aside as your leave in/sealer?

    If oils don't work AT ALL on your low porosity hair then I kind of like Jas' suggestion of adding some AVG to your rinseout. Or to a leave in conditioner. Or even to a spray bottle mixed with water so you can mist your hair. I have another kind of aloe vera that comes in liquid form. (I keep it in the fridge in case I ever burn myself while cooking. Knock on wood!) It's by Aubrey Organics and it's quite runny. A liquid form of aloe vera might be better than the gel to absorb into low porosity hair. I certainly hope your hair doesn't get stripped or frizzy and that you have a better hair day. The idea is AV is supposed to help the cuticle lie flat so stuff won't be getting in. It might also be good to, if you do do it on occasion, do an apple cider vinegar rinse before getting out of the shower.
    3A - C, HP, ME, HD. (Coarse, High Porosity, Medium Elasticity, High Density.)

    CG since Nov. 2012

    Poos: SM Moisture Retention + Yucca Baobab, TJ's Tea Tree Tingle
    Condish: TJ 'sTea Tree Tingle*, SM Moisture Retention* + Curl & Shine + Yucca Baobab, Yes to Blueberries
    Stylers: KCKT*, SM Curl Enhancing Smoothie* + Curl & Style Milk*, KCCC*, FSG*, CJ Pattern Pusha, Curl Keeper
    Sealers: Jojoba* or Grapeseed* oil

    * = HG

  • anonymous_133347anonymous_133347 Posts: 1,426Registered Users
    Myrna wrote: »
    I took Dusa's advise, and applied AVG to my wet hair after I conditioned, and added a bit of LI. Then I applied CK. It is not raining today, but my hair looks great. Thanks, Dusa! Now, one good hair day does not make a trend, but Ill see if this continues. I dont mind AVG on my hair. And yes, the ACV thing is not something I would do every day - unless I was stuck somewhere with very hard water.

    Kay just read this which renders a lot of what I just wrote moot. Oh well. So happy to learn your hair is doing better and the nasty rain went away! I think I might try this routine of AVG, LI, then CK when I start experimenting with CK. But I don't have the CK yet so today I'm brewing up some brand new flax seed gel so we'll see. Oh the woes of a PJ.
    3A - C, HP, ME, HD. (Coarse, High Porosity, Medium Elasticity, High Density.)

    CG since Nov. 2012

    Poos: SM Moisture Retention + Yucca Baobab, TJ's Tea Tree Tingle
    Condish: TJ 'sTea Tree Tingle*, SM Moisture Retention* + Curl & Shine + Yucca Baobab, Yes to Blueberries
    Stylers: KCKT*, SM Curl Enhancing Smoothie* + Curl & Style Milk*, KCCC*, FSG*, CJ Pattern Pusha, Curl Keeper
    Sealers: Jojoba* or Grapeseed* oil

    * = HG

  • anonymous_133347anonymous_133347 Posts: 1,426Registered Users
    Neleke wrote: »
    seems I am sealing the wrong way... that would explain my frizzyness in perfectly good dews (frizz forecast tells me it's 44 today).
    I normally use jojoba oil... I put like 3-5 drops in my hand, spread it over my hands and smooth my hair with it when it is DRY. And I used to think that was "sealing".
    It would look greasy for like 2 hours, then it would start to become okish, but once I would leave home it would start to frizz as usual.

    So... you should apply it on wet hair?
    And only the ends or do you need to smooth your hair with it? And after or together with LI but before gel and mousse, right?

    I guess I'm low porosity, dense hair, fine structure, normal elasticity (haven't had the analysis yet, maybe will do it later on)

    Neleke, I always do it on fairly wet hair with my leave in conditioner and before my gel. I realize I'm coarse and high porosity and live in an arid climate though so what works for me might not work for you.
    3A - C, HP, ME, HD. (Coarse, High Porosity, Medium Elasticity, High Density.)

    CG since Nov. 2012

    Poos: SM Moisture Retention + Yucca Baobab, TJ's Tea Tree Tingle
    Condish: TJ 'sTea Tree Tingle*, SM Moisture Retention* + Curl & Shine + Yucca Baobab, Yes to Blueberries
    Stylers: KCKT*, SM Curl Enhancing Smoothie* + Curl & Style Milk*, KCCC*, FSG*, CJ Pattern Pusha, Curl Keeper
    Sealers: Jojoba* or Grapeseed* oil

    * = HG

  • MyrnaMyrna Posts: 2,359Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    Yep, Dusa, my curls are soft, springy and well formed. I did not mind using the AVG in the shower at all. Just scrunched it it; and its pretty cheap. At the moment, it seems that it is a good compliment to the CK.
  • sheilacurlsheilacurl Posts: 1,240Registered Users
    Glad things are working better for you :D
    What brand is the AVG?
    I'm still confused, I thought I read somewhere that AVG was somewhat of an astringent?
    Upper Michigan Dews
    3a ~ Fine ~ High Porosity ~ Normal Density

    NoPoo: JC Cleansing Cream
    Rinse Outs: SS:PRT, CJ Repair Me, CJ Argan
    Detangler: KCKT
    Leave-in: CJ Repair me
    Stylers: UFDCM, BRHG
    Refreshers: Batiste (dry shampoo) on the roots & UFDCM everywhere else

    iHerb Discount Code: SAF007

  • MyrnaMyrna Posts: 2,359Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    I just used CVS brand - I used to have FOTE but I ran out and got tired of going to walmart, as I dont like to patronize them unless absolutely necessary. Aloe vera is from the aloe plant, the "burn plant" that many people keep in their kitchens, I believe it is moisturizing. I think you may be thinking of witch hazel.
  • yossarianyossarian Posts: 967Registered Users
    Myrna wrote: »
    I just used CVS brand - I used to have FOTE but I ran out and got tired of going to walmart, as I dont like to patronize them unless absolutely necessary.

    I hear ya - can't stand that store either! Ugh.

    IIRC, you're in Wisconsin. Trader Joe's has several locations there, & their AVG is quite popular around these parts. I don't know if any TJs are close to you, but it's worth a try.

    Sent from my SPH-D710 using CurlTalk App
    When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace. - Jimi
    2c/3a, BSL, medium, low porosity
    Low-poo: Bobeam and CV poo bars; Acure Argan Oil & Stem Cell
    Conditioner: Acure Argan Oil & Stem Cell; Desert Essence Shea
    Stylers: Sweet Curls Elixir Curl Cream; SM CES
    PT: BASK Whiskey Soak
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