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HELP! scalp itchy

angelicakangelicak Posts: 127Registered Users
I'm new here, CG since 2/9/2013
Have 2c/3a hair depending on how it's styled. Just got a haircut and it's fighting me!
I use a no poo but but scalp gets itchy so quickly. It's impossible not to scratch ugh!!:crybaby:
Would a low poo make it itch less? I just need some ideas cuz itchy scalp is a pain!!

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good hair day pre cg
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pre cg flat head, used tons of products to tame the beast
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back of head pre cg, not scrunched just air dried untouched (besides ton of products!)
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first wash cg!! love it
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back of head a week or two into cg!

Fine hair. not sure about anything else
no poo- loreal evercurl sulfate free
RO- suave naturals coconut
(cowash did not work)
gel- volumax (sallys)
leave in- loreal eversleek, devacurl set it free

OPEN TO ANYTHING NEW!!! need to buy new leave in today or tomorrow
CG since: 2/9/2013
HAIR: 2a/b with nearly straight hair at neck, flat on top, low porosity, medium density, fine, medium length
Currently using:
Low Poo/No Poo: SM YB, Malibu C Hardwater Wellness (every other day)
Rinse Out: Malibu C Hardwater Wellness Conditioner
Leave In: SM Coconut Hibiscus Curl and Style Milk
Gel: Volumax (Sally's)
PT: gelatin!
DT: Curls Unleashed NR

Love diffusing.:p
Always learning!
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  • anonymous_133347anonymous_133347 Posts: 1,426Registered Users
    L`Oreal Paris EverCurl Hydracharge Shampoo - NaturallyCurly.com

    If this is the shampoo you are talking about you should drop it. It contains amodimethicone which is a medium silicone that will cause buildup over time and lots of inorganic, chemical ingredients and certain preservatives that cause dry scalp. I suspect the main culprit is methylisothiazolinone.

    Itchy Scalp Causes: Preservatives in Hair Products

    I know exactly how much pain you are in since As I Am Coconut Co-wash contains that particular preservative and drove me bananas. I recommend getting a gentle and natural low poo with little to no preservative content. I like the ones from Shea Moisture. (I use one every third wash, co-wash the rest of the time.) With your conditioner that you apply two inches down to the ends of your hair it doesn't matter so much but keep those preservatives and any agents that might cause buildup like silicones, polyquats, etc away from your precious scalp. The only co-wash I let touch my scalp and the first two inches of my hair is Trader Joe's Tea Tree Tingle which has one preservative and very little of it. Also tea tree oil is very good for an itchy scalp to soothe and remove buildup.

    http://www.naturallycurly.com/curltalk/general-discussion-about-curly-hair/155275-how-do-you-use-tea-tree-oil.html

    Hope that helps. Never fear. If your scalp was normal before (as was mine) it should be back very quickly if you drop that shampoo. ;-)
    3A - C, HP, ME, HD. (Coarse, High Porosity, Medium Elasticity, High Density.)

    CG since Nov. 2012

    Poos: SM Moisture Retention + Yucca Baobab, TJ's Tea Tree Tingle
    Condish: TJ 'sTea Tree Tingle*, SM Moisture Retention* + Curl & Shine + Yucca Baobab, Yes to Blueberries
    Stylers: KCKT*, SM Curl Enhancing Smoothie* + Curl & Style Milk*, KCCC*, FSG*, CJ Pattern Pusha, Curl Keeper
    Sealers: Jojoba* or Grapeseed* oil

    * = HG

  • angelicakangelicak Posts: 127Registered Users
    UGH THANK YOU!

    This whole CG thing is so hard! Now what to do with this whole bottle of it :/

    Any other product recommendations?

    It seems like the best way to go is to get more expensive products, what do you think?
    CG since: 2/9/2013
    HAIR: 2a/b with nearly straight hair at neck, flat on top, low porosity, medium density, fine, medium length
    Currently using:
    Low Poo/No Poo: SM YB, Malibu C Hardwater Wellness (every other day)
    Rinse Out: Malibu C Hardwater Wellness Conditioner
    Leave In: SM Coconut Hibiscus Curl and Style Milk
    Gel: Volumax (Sally's)
    PT: gelatin!
    DT: Curls Unleashed NR

    Love diffusing.:p
    Always learning!
  • anonymous_133347anonymous_133347 Posts: 1,426Registered Users
    I know! When I first went CG I was washing my hair everyday the firs two weeks trying to figure out what worked. But things settled down by the end of the month. Put the bottle up on the swap board. Some people aren't as sensitive to preservatives as we are I am sure. I don't know if expensive products are necessarily the best. Sure the Shea Moisture low poos are $10 a pop but they are relatively inexpensive considering they will last you a while. We curlies and wavies never need as much shampoo as we do coniditioner. When you shampoo lather only at the scalp. Don't lather or ruffle your curls and waves. It dries them out and disrupts their natural curl pattern. Let the water rinse whatever foam down your hair and that should clean your tresses. Another good shampoo, low poo whatever is Nature's Gate Chamomile. About $7 at Whole Foods. User Aqua_lily uses it and since you are blond like her you might appreciate the chamomile content since it brings out natural highlights. Anyways most of the products I use are inexpensive and can be bought at Walgreens, Target, CVS. Honestly the most expensive things I use are the kinky curly knot today and curling custard and since I need so little of each for my application I've had them for maybe five months and still have not run out. Do you know your properties yet? Go to livecurlylivefree.com. Once you know your properties you can pick out products with ingredients your hair will like. Also check out the product review section here because it will tell you if a product is sulfate, silicone, protein free, protein rich, etc. A good conditioner that is sulfate, silicone, protein free if your hair is dry is Tresemme Naturals Moisture. Cost about $5 and you get a lot. I also like the conditioners from SM but I am not sure if they are too heavy for your hair since I don't know your properties. I don't like hard hold gels since they dry my hair out but popular ones that are CG approved are biosilk rock hard gelee, La Looks sport gel, aussie instant freeze, and ecostyler. You need a leave in, but you can use some of your rinseout conditioner for that. If you want a lighter leave in than your rinseout then I like Shea Moisture's Curl & Style Milk and Kinky Curly Knot Today. They both are light and smell nice to me. Also go to youtube and look up waterlily716 for CG approved product reviews and styling tips.
    3A - C, HP, ME, HD. (Coarse, High Porosity, Medium Elasticity, High Density.)

    CG since Nov. 2012

    Poos: SM Moisture Retention + Yucca Baobab, TJ's Tea Tree Tingle
    Condish: TJ 'sTea Tree Tingle*, SM Moisture Retention* + Curl & Shine + Yucca Baobab, Yes to Blueberries
    Stylers: KCKT*, SM Curl Enhancing Smoothie* + Curl & Style Milk*, KCCC*, FSG*, CJ Pattern Pusha, Curl Keeper
    Sealers: Jojoba* or Grapeseed* oil

    * = HG

  • angelicakangelicak Posts: 127Registered Users
    Thank you so much! I'm definitely going to figure out my properties and look into Shea moisture today!!
    CG since: 2/9/2013
    HAIR: 2a/b with nearly straight hair at neck, flat on top, low porosity, medium density, fine, medium length
    Currently using:
    Low Poo/No Poo: SM YB, Malibu C Hardwater Wellness (every other day)
    Rinse Out: Malibu C Hardwater Wellness Conditioner
    Leave In: SM Coconut Hibiscus Curl and Style Milk
    Gel: Volumax (Sally's)
    PT: gelatin!
    DT: Curls Unleashed NR

    Love diffusing.:p
    Always learning!
  • anonymous_133347anonymous_133347 Posts: 1,426Registered Users
    No problem. I have only tried the 2 SM shampoos. Moisture Retention and Yucca Baobab. The Yucca one foams better and is slightly more cleansing and better for root volume. The MR one is better if someone is prone to dry scalp since it is slightly more gentle. TBH I love them both. Haven't tried the curl & shine one but I just picked up the conditioner (by accident--meant to buy the co-wash) and it turned out to be great so I'm sure the matching shampoo is amazing. And be careful of the black soap shampoo because I know it has salicylic acid in it and I'm wary of such an ingredient. Good luck!
    3A - C, HP, ME, HD. (Coarse, High Porosity, Medium Elasticity, High Density.)

    CG since Nov. 2012

    Poos: SM Moisture Retention + Yucca Baobab, TJ's Tea Tree Tingle
    Condish: TJ 'sTea Tree Tingle*, SM Moisture Retention* + Curl & Shine + Yucca Baobab, Yes to Blueberries
    Stylers: KCKT*, SM Curl Enhancing Smoothie* + Curl & Style Milk*, KCCC*, FSG*, CJ Pattern Pusha, Curl Keeper
    Sealers: Jojoba* or Grapeseed* oil

    * = HG

  • gloria25gloria25 Posts: 35Registered Users
    Hi Angelica! I am fairly new to CG but not to itchy scalp. I have tried co-washing in the past, but without all the correct info (I just simply tried using whatever conditioner I had in place of whatever shampoo I was using) and the results were bad--greasy, smelly, too embarrassing to continue trying! At the time, I just decided that CG was not for me, since technically, I wasn't even curly, I was only maybe a wavy. Anyway, fast-forward to this year, when I decided I had enough of all the flat-ironing and the crappy cheap shampoo I've been using (Suave Botanicals or something), because my hair seemed to be simultaniously oily on the scalp, frizzy and dry elsewhere, and itchy scalp!

    On something of a whim (but with the "no sulfates" knowledge in the back of my head), I bought some shampoo in the natural/organics section of my grocery store that advertised as no sulfates, no silicones, no parabens, etc. I did not look it up online, and felt this was somewhat of a risky venture, but what did I really have to lose? It was cheaper than salon shampoo but seemed to be made of better materials than the dirt cheap stuff, namely NO SODIUM LAUREL SULFATE. The name of this shampoo is Nature's Gate Tea Tree Oil.

    Well, after the first shampoo, I was truly amazed by how much my wave pattern changed and began to really show it's true colors. Suddenly, within one washing, I didn't have what I used to call "wrinkled' hair, anymore. It was, and is, truly wavy! This is something revolutionary to me. I'm in my 30s and I didn't realize I had a wave pattern that started at my scalp, because my products and practices had been completely hiding that.

    Another benefit I think I've gained from this particular shampoo (I have not tried any other Nature's Gate shampoos or conditioners yet) is that Tea Tree oil is supposed to be very medicinal, and I think it's helped make my scalp feel better. I don't really have itchy scalp at all any more (and the oil and smell factor of my hair has changed immensely with my new approach to hair care. I'm still amazed; I am actually now low-poo washing about twice a week, and wetting and conditioning on the other days, and yet my hair is not greasy (if anything, it is a little drier feeling, probably due to the protein in the shampoo), which is fine by me, because I hate when my hair smells or is oily!

    Sorry this has turned into a novel, but I just wanted to throw out the suggestion to try a low-poo. I've been very happy with it so far, and will probably continue to wash with this, although I might try other "recipes" in their shampoo line.

    Oh, and I forgot to say, the Loreal Curl conditioner (in the blue bottle) is both sulfate and silicone free, so it's CG friendly. I have it and like it pretty well. I also bought the Loreal shampoo in the brown bottle (I think it's called sleek something) because it, too, is both Sulfate and silicone free, but I haven't tried it more than once and have not really formed an opinion on it, other than it seems really watery.
    Started embracing the 2b waves in March 2013. I can't believe how immediate the difference, when I stopped using sulfates! Now I need guidance on most everything else. :sunny:
    My best guess so far at my hair profile: 2b, medium porosity, fine and med width strands, low-to-med density, medium length.
  • angelicakangelicak Posts: 127Registered Users
    Thank you! Yes I switched off the evercurl and am doing Shea moisture yucca and baobab sulfate free shampoo. I also bought tea tree oil but I'm not sure how to use it. I'm def trying to get a tea tree shampoo.
    CG since: 2/9/2013
    HAIR: 2a/b with nearly straight hair at neck, flat on top, low porosity, medium density, fine, medium length
    Currently using:
    Low Poo/No Poo: SM YB, Malibu C Hardwater Wellness (every other day)
    Rinse Out: Malibu C Hardwater Wellness Conditioner
    Leave In: SM Coconut Hibiscus Curl and Style Milk
    Gel: Volumax (Sally's)
    PT: gelatin!
    DT: Curls Unleashed NR

    Love diffusing.:p
    Always learning!
  • gloria25gloria25 Posts: 35Registered Users
    angelicak wrote: »
    I also bought tea tree oil but I'm not sure how to use it. I'm def trying to get a tea tree shampoo.

    Do you mean the essential oil? I don't have experience using any essential oils myself, but it seems like I've read plenty of people simply adding drops of them (probably how much is a very good question, since they are potent) to products or to their laundry routine, etc. I would guess that a number of drops of tea tree oil could simply be added to the shampoo you are using already. Hopefully someone else will chime in on how much to use so you don't burn or irritate your scalp.
    Started embracing the 2b waves in March 2013. I can't believe how immediate the difference, when I stopped using sulfates! Now I need guidance on most everything else. :sunny:
    My best guess so far at my hair profile: 2b, medium porosity, fine and med width strands, low-to-med density, medium length.
  • angelicakangelicak Posts: 127Registered Users
    gloria25 wrote: »
    angelicak wrote: »
    I also bought tea tree oil but I'm not sure how to use it. I'm def trying to get a tea tree shampoo.

    Do you mean the essential oil? I don't have experience using any essential oils myself, but it seems like I've read plenty of people simply adding drops of them (probably how much is a very good question, since they are potent) to products or to their laundry routine, etc. I would guess that a number of drops of tea tree oil could simply be added to the shampoo you are using already. Hopefully someone else will chime in on how much to use so you don't burn or irritate your scalp.

    Yes the essential oil! Maybe I will add it to my product or shampoo. I used the SM shampoo 2 washes in a row and my hair is very upset, I think I'm going to do co wash and use SM shampoo every other time I wash which is every other day
    CG since: 2/9/2013
    HAIR: 2a/b with nearly straight hair at neck, flat on top, low porosity, medium density, fine, medium length
    Currently using:
    Low Poo/No Poo: SM YB, Malibu C Hardwater Wellness (every other day)
    Rinse Out: Malibu C Hardwater Wellness Conditioner
    Leave In: SM Coconut Hibiscus Curl and Style Milk
    Gel: Volumax (Sally's)
    PT: gelatin!
    DT: Curls Unleashed NR

    Love diffusing.:p
    Always learning!
  • angelicakangelicak Posts: 127Registered Users
    gloria25 wrote: »
    Hi Angelica! I am fairly new to CG but not to itchy scalp. I have tried co-washing in the past, but without all the correct info (I just simply tried using whatever conditioner I had in place of whatever shampoo I was using) and the results were bad--greasy, smelly, too embarrassing to continue trying! At the time, I just decided that CG was not for me, since technically, I wasn't even curly, I was only maybe a wavy. Anyway, fast-forward to this year, when I decided I had enough of all the flat-ironing and the crappy cheap shampoo I've been using (Suave Botanicals or something), because my hair seemed to be simultaniously oily on the scalp, frizzy and dry elsewhere, and itchy scalp!

    On something of a whim (but with the "no sulfates" knowledge in the back of my head), I bought some shampoo in the natural/organics section of my grocery store that advertised as no sulfates, no silicones, no parabens, etc. I did not look it up online, and felt this was somewhat of a risky venture, but what did I really have to lose? It was cheaper than salon shampoo but seemed to be made of better materials than the dirt cheap stuff, namely NO SODIUM LAUREL SULFATE. The name of this shampoo is Nature's Gate Tea Tree Oil.

    Well, after the first shampoo, I was truly amazed by how much my wave pattern changed and began to really show it's true colors. Suddenly, within one washing, I didn't have what I used to call "wrinkled' hair, anymore. It was, and is, truly wavy! This is something revolutionary to me. I'm in my 30s and I didn't realize I had a wave pattern that started at my scalp, because my products and practices had been completely hiding that.

    Another benefit I think I've gained from this particular shampoo (I have not tried any other Nature's Gate shampoos or conditioners yet) is that Tea Tree oil is supposed to be very medicinal, and I think it's helped make my scalp feel better. I don't really have itchy scalp at all any more (and the oil and smell factor of my hair has changed immensely with my new approach to hair care. I'm still amazed; I am actually now low-poo washing about twice a week, and wetting and conditioning on the other days, and yet my hair is not greasy (if anything, it is a little drier feeling, probably due to the protein in the shampoo), which is fine by me, because I hate when my hair smells or is oily!

    Sorry this has turned into a novel, but I just wanted to throw out the suggestion to try a low-poo. I've been very happy with it so far, and will probably continue to wash with this, although I might try other "recipes" in their shampoo line.

    Oh, and I forgot to say, the Loreal Curl conditioner (in the blue bottle) is both sulfate and silicone free, so it's CG friendly. I have it and like it pretty well. I also bought the Loreal shampoo in the brown bottle (I think it's called sleek something) because it, too, is both Sulfate and silicone free, but I haven't tried it more than once and have not really formed an opinion on it, other than it seems really watery.

    I got the natures gate tea tree conditioner!! Can I use this as my cowash?
    CG since: 2/9/2013
    HAIR: 2a/b with nearly straight hair at neck, flat on top, low porosity, medium density, fine, medium length
    Currently using:
    Low Poo/No Poo: SM YB, Malibu C Hardwater Wellness (every other day)
    Rinse Out: Malibu C Hardwater Wellness Conditioner
    Leave In: SM Coconut Hibiscus Curl and Style Milk
    Gel: Volumax (Sally's)
    PT: gelatin!
    DT: Curls Unleashed NR

    Love diffusing.:p
    Always learning!
  • Firefox7275Firefox7275 Posts: 3,750Registered Users
    Do not scratch, you can get stuck in the 'itch-scratch cycle', use cold compresses instead (eg. gel pad/ cap you store in the refrigerator). Also use cool water when washing and limit heat when styling and deep conditioning, heat encourages histamine release which increases itching. Wear cotton gloves if you scratch at certain times like at night or in front of the TV.

    You might also be sure you are washing and rinsing thoroughly which is easier with your head upside down, use a plainer conditioner with barely any ingredients such as one marketed as a 'base' for extra oils and fragrances to be added to. Could also look at the pH of all your products, hair likes to be acidic at ~4.5, skin ~5.5 but too many products are 'pH balanced' which can mean 7/ neutral and some are higher still. Komaza Care offer quite a few acidic products.

    Might also review your diet to calm inappropriate immune responses, strengthen the skin barrier, reduce systemic inflammation all of which play key roles in scalp complaints. For example few of us eat even the minimum recommended amount of oily fish let alone have an optimal intake of long chain omega-3s.

    Other than that unless you know the cause it's difficult for anyone to suggest an effective treatment. Itchy scalp is a symptom of a number of skin complaints not a diagnosis in itself. Tea tree might be effective if you have mild seborrhoeic dermatitis but could irritate if you have contact dermatitis or xerosis.
    2a-2c, medium texture, porous/ colour treated. Three years CG. Past bra strap length heading for waist.

    CO-wash: Inecto coconut/ Elvive Volume Collagen
    Treatments: Komaza Care Matani, coconut/ sweet almond/ fractionated coconut oils, Hairveda Sitrinillah
    Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss Ultimate Volume, various Elvive
    Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Au Naturale styling gelee
    Flour sack towel, pixie diffuse or air dry.
    Experimenting with: benign neglect
  • angelicakangelicak Posts: 127Registered Users
    Do not scratch, you can get stuck in the 'itch-scratch cycle', use cold compresses instead (eg. gel pad/ cap you store in the refrigerator). Also use cool water when washing and limit heat when styling and deep conditioning, heat encourages histamine release which increases itching. Wear cotton gloves if you scratch at certain times like at night or in front of the TV.

    You might also be sure you are washing and rinsing thoroughly which is easier with your head upside down, use a plainer conditioner with barely any ingredients such as one marketed as a 'base' for extra oils and fragrances to be added to. Could also look at the pH of all your products, hair likes to be acidic at ~4.5, skin ~5.5 but too many products are 'pH balanced' which can mean 7/ neutral and some are higher still. Komaza Care offer quite a few acidic products.

    Might also review your diet to calm inappropriate immune responses, strengthen the skin barrier, reduce systemic inflammation all of which play key roles in scalp complaints. For example few of us eat even the minimum recommended amount of oily fish let alone have an optimal intake of long chain omega-3s.

    Other than that unless you know the cause it's difficult for anyone to suggest an effective treatment. Itchy scalp is a symptom of a number of skin complaints not a diagnosis in itself. Tea tree might be effective if you have mild seborrhoeic dermatitis but could irritate if you have contact dermatitis or xerosis.

    Hmm this is interesting, my only thing is my scalp wasn't itchy before starting CG which is what leads me to believe it's the products causing this
    CG since: 2/9/2013
    HAIR: 2a/b with nearly straight hair at neck, flat on top, low porosity, medium density, fine, medium length
    Currently using:
    Low Poo/No Poo: SM YB, Malibu C Hardwater Wellness (every other day)
    Rinse Out: Malibu C Hardwater Wellness Conditioner
    Leave In: SM Coconut Hibiscus Curl and Style Milk
    Gel: Volumax (Sally's)
    PT: gelatin!
    DT: Curls Unleashed NR

    Love diffusing.:p
    Always learning!
  • Firefox7275Firefox7275 Posts: 3,750Registered Users
    angelicak wrote: »
    Hmm this is interesting, my only thing is my scalp wasn't itchy before starting CG which is what leads me to believe it's the products causing this

    Don't confuse causation with correlation, just because a product or regimen seems to have been the trigger doesn't prove it is the sole cause. Many health problems are down to a combination of factors, from genetics to poor lifestyle choices to luck of the draw/ being in the wrong place at the wrong time to environmental factors.

    There may be a direct link, for example an allergy or irritation from a specific ingredient or pH, or an indirect one, for example you not cleaning the scalp effectively or oils/ butters you are using feeding yeasts on your scalp. Self treating a self 'diagnosed' condition is rarely a wise move unless you have some sort of medical/ healthcare background.

    Having said that there is rarely any harm in cleaning up your diet and lifestyle, the only 'side effect' is likely to be improved general health! :thumbright: Most of the common scalp conditions are inflammatory in nature (suffix -itis) and the medical name for itching is pruritis .... the standard US/ UK diet is pro inflammatory.
    2a-2c, medium texture, porous/ colour treated. Three years CG. Past bra strap length heading for waist.

    CO-wash: Inecto coconut/ Elvive Volume Collagen
    Treatments: Komaza Care Matani, coconut/ sweet almond/ fractionated coconut oils, Hairveda Sitrinillah
    Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss Ultimate Volume, various Elvive
    Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Au Naturale styling gelee
    Flour sack towel, pixie diffuse or air dry.
    Experimenting with: benign neglect
  • asianrunnerasianrunner Posts: 2,251Registered Users
    I've also used Scalpicin to help when the itch was really bad. Fortunately, I've mostly identified the products that caused really bad itch and that's helped tremendously!

    Seems much worse in the summer!
    Coarse texture, normal-high porosity, normal elasticity (Komaza Care), very weak waves
    cleanser: Redken Fresh Curls Shampoo, CJ Daily Fix

    rinse out: GVP Conditioning Balm, CJ Beauticurls, CJ Smoothing

    jellies/creams: CR Curl Maker, KCCC
    gels: CJ CQ, CJ Pattern Pusha, BRHG

  • PomegranateCurlPomegranateCurl Posts: 212Registered Users
    Make sure you're cowashing correctly also - massaging your scalp very very well with the pads (not nails) of your fingertips... and of course rinsing well.

    You said you didn't like the yucca shampoo? If it's too harsh you can add some coconut oil to it.
  • angelicakangelicak Posts: 127Registered Users
    Make sure you're cowashing correctly also - massaging your scalp very very well with the pads (not nails) of your fingertips... and of course rinsing well.

    You said you didn't like the yucca shampoo? If it's too harsh you can add some coconut oil to it.

    Yeah I spend a ton of time on my scalp tbh. The yucca isn't too harsh per say, its hard for me to really say how I feel about it, since I haven't used it too much. Where can I get coconut oil? Because I couldn't find it in my local supermarket unless I was looking in the wrong place lol
    CG since: 2/9/2013
    HAIR: 2a/b with nearly straight hair at neck, flat on top, low porosity, medium density, fine, medium length
    Currently using:
    Low Poo/No Poo: SM YB, Malibu C Hardwater Wellness (every other day)
    Rinse Out: Malibu C Hardwater Wellness Conditioner
    Leave In: SM Coconut Hibiscus Curl and Style Milk
    Gel: Volumax (Sally's)
    PT: gelatin!
    DT: Curls Unleashed NR

    Love diffusing.:p
    Always learning!
  • angelicakangelicak Posts: 127Registered Users
    angelicak wrote: »
    Hmm this is interesting, my only thing is my scalp wasn't itchy before starting CG which is what leads me to believe it's the products causing this

    Don't confuse causation with correlation, just because a product or regimen seems to have been the trigger doesn't prove it is the sole cause. Many health problems are down to a combination of factors, from genetics to poor lifestyle choices to luck of the draw/ being in the wrong place at the wrong time to environmental factors.

    There may be a direct link, for example an allergy or irritation from a specific ingredient or pH, or an indirect one, for example you not cleaning the scalp effectively or oils/ butters you are using feeding yeasts on your scalp. Self treating a self 'diagnosed' condition is rarely a wise move unless you have some sort of medical/ healthcare background.

    Having said that there is rarely any harm in cleaning up your diet and lifestyle, the only 'side effect' is likely to be improved general health! :thumbright: Most of the common scalp conditions are inflammatory in nature (suffix -itis) and the medical name for itching is pruritis .... the standard US/ UK diet is pro inflammatory.

    :O I just realized, I have something called dermatagraphism (spelling?) on my whole body but it's never affected my scalp, could that be it?

    I have to say my diet isn't that bad it's actually pretty be good besides being a coffee addict.
    Tbh I've actually cleaned up my diet a lot since high school. I'm not as much of a candy and junk food addict as I was, my new "candy" is chocolate dusted almonds :P
    CG since: 2/9/2013
    HAIR: 2a/b with nearly straight hair at neck, flat on top, low porosity, medium density, fine, medium length
    Currently using:
    Low Poo/No Poo: SM YB, Malibu C Hardwater Wellness (every other day)
    Rinse Out: Malibu C Hardwater Wellness Conditioner
    Leave In: SM Coconut Hibiscus Curl and Style Milk
    Gel: Volumax (Sally's)
    PT: gelatin!
    DT: Curls Unleashed NR

    Love diffusing.:p
    Always learning!
  • angelicakangelicak Posts: 127Registered Users
    I've also used Scalpicin to help when the itch was really bad. Fortunately, I've mostly identified the products that caused really bad itch and that's helped tremendously!

    Seems much worse in the summer!

    Tbh my scalp isn't all that itchy, it's just itchy enough to be annoying, but not enough where I'm going crazy. Sometimes it's like that like 2nd/3rd day hair where it's super itchy but otherwise not too much
    CG since: 2/9/2013
    HAIR: 2a/b with nearly straight hair at neck, flat on top, low porosity, medium density, fine, medium length
    Currently using:
    Low Poo/No Poo: SM YB, Malibu C Hardwater Wellness (every other day)
    Rinse Out: Malibu C Hardwater Wellness Conditioner
    Leave In: SM Coconut Hibiscus Curl and Style Milk
    Gel: Volumax (Sally's)
    PT: gelatin!
    DT: Curls Unleashed NR

    Love diffusing.:p
    Always learning!
  • PomegranateCurlPomegranateCurl Posts: 212Registered Users
    Are you a States curly? I've found it in local supermarkets (Publix in FL) but you can also get it in health food stores and online as well.

    Make sure you get "virgin" coconut oil...unrefined! The refined kind is not as good for hair/skin.

    You can also try olive oil to your poo.
  • PomegranateCurlPomegranateCurl Posts: 212Registered Users
    I'm sure Whole Foods or Trader Joe's would have it if you have any of these stores around you.
  • angelicakangelicak Posts: 127Registered Users
    Are you a States curly? I've found it in local supermarkets (Publix in FL) but you can also get it in health food stores and online as well.

    Make sure you get "virgin" coconut oil...unrefined! The refined kind is not as good for hair/skin.

    You can also try olive oil to your poo.

    Yes I'm a states nj pa! Virgin unrefined got it, what section? Olive oil I'm assuming also virgin?
    CG since: 2/9/2013
    HAIR: 2a/b with nearly straight hair at neck, flat on top, low porosity, medium density, fine, medium length
    Currently using:
    Low Poo/No Poo: SM YB, Malibu C Hardwater Wellness (every other day)
    Rinse Out: Malibu C Hardwater Wellness Conditioner
    Leave In: SM Coconut Hibiscus Curl and Style Milk
    Gel: Volumax (Sally's)
    PT: gelatin!
    DT: Curls Unleashed NR

    Love diffusing.:p
    Always learning!
  • anonymous_133347anonymous_133347 Posts: 1,426Registered Users
    I know you're not asking me but yes, extra virgin olive oil. It's the best kind. Not just for you hair but for your food. :) (I'm a foodie.)

    Have you tried prepooing? Some people add oil to their low poos but I like adding it (a few tbsp) to my hair 30 minutes to an hour before I wash and that works really well for me. That way I can cleanse my scalp without drying out my hair. (I'm highly porous.) It's really easy too. You just have to remember to do it. Now it's become a habit and my hair is thanking me for it.
    3A - C, HP, ME, HD. (Coarse, High Porosity, Medium Elasticity, High Density.)

    CG since Nov. 2012

    Poos: SM Moisture Retention + Yucca Baobab, TJ's Tea Tree Tingle
    Condish: TJ 'sTea Tree Tingle*, SM Moisture Retention* + Curl & Shine + Yucca Baobab, Yes to Blueberries
    Stylers: KCKT*, SM Curl Enhancing Smoothie* + Curl & Style Milk*, KCCC*, FSG*, CJ Pattern Pusha, Curl Keeper
    Sealers: Jojoba* or Grapeseed* oil

    * = HG

  • anonymous_133347anonymous_133347 Posts: 1,426Registered Users
    I get my EVCO and my EVOO from the oil section of the supermarket. They're usually close to one another although some supermarkets they'll put the EVCO near the Asian spices.
    3A - C, HP, ME, HD. (Coarse, High Porosity, Medium Elasticity, High Density.)

    CG since Nov. 2012

    Poos: SM Moisture Retention + Yucca Baobab, TJ's Tea Tree Tingle
    Condish: TJ 'sTea Tree Tingle*, SM Moisture Retention* + Curl & Shine + Yucca Baobab, Yes to Blueberries
    Stylers: KCKT*, SM Curl Enhancing Smoothie* + Curl & Style Milk*, KCCC*, FSG*, CJ Pattern Pusha, Curl Keeper
    Sealers: Jojoba* or Grapeseed* oil

    * = HG

  • angelicakangelicak Posts: 127Registered Users
    dusalocks wrote: »
    I get my EVCO and my EVOO from the oil section of the supermarket. They're usually close to one another although some supermarkets they'll put the EVCO near the Asian spices.

    Oooo this is a response to both your posts! Thanks for the info il be sure to pick some up during my next trip! I can't wait to try! Do you always low poo?
    CG since: 2/9/2013
    HAIR: 2a/b with nearly straight hair at neck, flat on top, low porosity, medium density, fine, medium length
    Currently using:
    Low Poo/No Poo: SM YB, Malibu C Hardwater Wellness (every other day)
    Rinse Out: Malibu C Hardwater Wellness Conditioner
    Leave In: SM Coconut Hibiscus Curl and Style Milk
    Gel: Volumax (Sally's)
    PT: gelatin!
    DT: Curls Unleashed NR

    Love diffusing.:p
    Always learning!
  • Firefox7275Firefox7275 Posts: 3,750Registered Users
    I can see the logic in virgin oils (not solvent extracted, possibly more anti inflammatory phytonutrients) for food and skincare/ scalpcare but TBH I can't for hair which is dead. AFAIK the key benefits of coconut and olive oils are the fatty acids lauric and oleic which can be absorbed into the hair shaft. These are present in all oils regardless of perceived 'quality'. If someone has some science-based information/ published research I'd be genuinely interested in a linky (eternal student/ geek here).


    Angelicak: 'not bad/ pretty good' is not the same as a clean balanced diet, you only need one deficiency or imbalance to negatively affect the entire body. It's totally unfair but some of us are far more susceptible than others. Do you consistently meet or exceed ALL your government's recommendations for healthy eating and lifestyle? I almost never see a client that does yet our UK recommendations are woefully inadequate.

    Most people do not eat anything like enough oily fish nor a wide range of fruit and veg in the full rainbow of colours (bright and dark not pale), these all have anti inflammatory properties. Pro inflammatory foods include white refined carbs, sugars, saturated animal fats, omega-6 oils, caffeine and alcohol. Whilst wheat per se is not necessarily a bad thing, most of us eat way too much and always processed, rarely whole wheat berries, so foods like bread, pasta and breakfast cereals are effectively pre-digested and turn to blood sugar quickly. The problem with caffeine is that it also disturbs sleep quality, this puts your body into a state of stress which again is linked to systemic inflammation and inappropriate immune responses.

    Your dermatological issue could be on your scalp now, obviously you would need to see a doctor for that but there is a strong link with inflammation within that condition. I am not familiar enough with that form of urticaria to make any claims about diet there, but I can say that other conditions where excess histamine is a problem such as hayfever can be improved or even become totally asymptomatic with diet modification.

    Cocoa dusted almonds are packed with nutrients and low sugar which is brilliant, but they are a source of omega-6s most of which are pro inflammatory, and also rich in oleic acid an excess of which in the sebum may be a problem in some skin issues. These must be balanced out with plenty of the long chain omega-3s DHA and EPA (from oily fish, to a lesser degree omega-enriched eggs).

    HTH.
    2a-2c, medium texture, porous/ colour treated. Three years CG. Past bra strap length heading for waist.

    CO-wash: Inecto coconut/ Elvive Volume Collagen
    Treatments: Komaza Care Matani, coconut/ sweet almond/ fractionated coconut oils, Hairveda Sitrinillah
    Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss Ultimate Volume, various Elvive
    Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Au Naturale styling gelee
    Flour sack towel, pixie diffuse or air dry.
    Experimenting with: benign neglect
  • angelicakangelicak Posts: 127Registered Users
    I can see the logic in virgin oils (not solvent extracted, possibly more anti inflammatory phytonutrients) for food and skincare/ scalpcare but TBH I can't for hair which is dead. AFAIK the key benefits of coconut and olive oils are the fatty acids lauric and oleic which can be absorbed into the hair shaft. These are present in all oils regardless of perceived 'quality'. If someone has some science-based information/ published research I'd be genuinely interested in a linky (eternal student/ geek here).


    Angelicak: 'not bad/ pretty good' is not the same as a clean balanced diet, you only need one deficiency or imbalance to negatively affect the entire body. It's totally unfair but some of us are far more susceptible than others. Do you consistently meet or exceed ALL your government's recommendations for healthy eating and lifestyle? I almost never see a client that does yet our UK recommendations are woefully inadequate.

    Most people do not eat anything like enough oily fish nor a wide range of fruit and veg in the full rainbow of colours (bright and dark not pale), these all have anti inflammatory properties. Pro inflammatory foods include white refined carbs, sugars, saturated animal fats, omega-6 oils, caffeine and alcohol. Whilst wheat per se is not necessarily a bad thing, most of us eat way too much and always processed, rarely whole wheat berries, so foods like bread, pasta and breakfast cereals are effectively pre-digested and turn to blood sugar quickly. The problem with caffeine is that it also disturbs sleep quality, this puts your body into a state of stress which again is linked to systemic inflammation and inappropriate immune responses.

    Your dermatological issue could be on your scalp now, obviously you would need to see a doctor for that but there is a strong link with inflammation within that condition. I am not familiar enough with that form of urticaria to make any claims about diet there, but I can say that other conditions where excess histamine is a problem such as hayfever can be improved or even become totally asymptomatic with diet modification.

    Cocoa dusted almonds are packed with nutrients and low sugar which is brilliant, but they are a source of omega-6s most of which are pro inflammatory, and also rich in oleic acid an excess of which in the sebum may be a problem in some skin issues. These must be balanced out with plenty of the long chain omega-3s DHA and EPA (from oily fish, to a lesser degree omega-enriched eggs).

    HTH.

    Do you think a fish oil supplement would be beneficial to start with?
    CG since: 2/9/2013
    HAIR: 2a/b with nearly straight hair at neck, flat on top, low porosity, medium density, fine, medium length
    Currently using:
    Low Poo/No Poo: SM YB, Malibu C Hardwater Wellness (every other day)
    Rinse Out: Malibu C Hardwater Wellness Conditioner
    Leave In: SM Coconut Hibiscus Curl and Style Milk
    Gel: Volumax (Sally's)
    PT: gelatin!
    DT: Curls Unleashed NR

    Love diffusing.:p
    Always learning!
  • Firefox7275Firefox7275 Posts: 3,750Registered Users
    angelicak wrote: »
    Do you think a fish oil supplement would be beneficial to start with?

    Are you not eating oily fish? This supplies a range of essential nutrients including bioavailable vitamin D. I don't know your full medical history/ diet so would suggest you discuss any supplements with your family doctor, most are pleased if you take a high strength DHA/ EPA supplement tho.
    2a-2c, medium texture, porous/ colour treated. Three years CG. Past bra strap length heading for waist.

    CO-wash: Inecto coconut/ Elvive Volume Collagen
    Treatments: Komaza Care Matani, coconut/ sweet almond/ fractionated coconut oils, Hairveda Sitrinillah
    Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss Ultimate Volume, various Elvive
    Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Au Naturale styling gelee
    Flour sack towel, pixie diffuse or air dry.
    Experimenting with: benign neglect
  • angelicakangelicak Posts: 127Registered Users
    angelicak wrote: »
    Do you think a fish oil supplement would be beneficial to start with?

    Are you not eating oily fish? This supplies a range of essential nutrients including bioavailable vitamin D. I don't know your full medical history/ diet so would suggest you discuss any supplements with your family doctor, most are pleased if you take a high strength DHA/ EPA supplement tho.

    Not that often like 1 every two weeks or so
    CG since: 2/9/2013
    HAIR: 2a/b with nearly straight hair at neck, flat on top, low porosity, medium density, fine, medium length
    Currently using:
    Low Poo/No Poo: SM YB, Malibu C Hardwater Wellness (every other day)
    Rinse Out: Malibu C Hardwater Wellness Conditioner
    Leave In: SM Coconut Hibiscus Curl and Style Milk
    Gel: Volumax (Sally's)
    PT: gelatin!
    DT: Curls Unleashed NR

    Love diffusing.:p
    Always learning!
  • anonymous_133347anonymous_133347 Posts: 1,426Registered Users
    Angelica, my routine is co-wash, co-wash 2x a week and low-poo on the third wash. I use Trader Joes Tea Tree Tingle Conditioner as my co-wash. I do the whole lighter conditioner on the scalp, heavier rinse out routine. Well, I still use the TTT on my hair because of its slip but I mix it with a heavier rinse out. Tresemme Naturals + Shea Moisture Curl & Shine, Yucca Baobab, Restorative Conditioner. Then on the third day I low poo with either the Yucca Baobab shampoo (which I know you have!) or the Moisture Retention one. But I often prepoo even on days I don't poo. Why? Well, I just have thirsty, very porous hair that doesn't like being washed so often. But it needs to be washed because otherwise it gets too tangled and I mess it up when I exercise. I think you'd only need to prepoo before a low poo though. At least for most people. My hair's different. It takes a beating from the arid climate and insufferable sun.
    3A - C, HP, ME, HD. (Coarse, High Porosity, Medium Elasticity, High Density.)

    CG since Nov. 2012

    Poos: SM Moisture Retention + Yucca Baobab, TJ's Tea Tree Tingle
    Condish: TJ 'sTea Tree Tingle*, SM Moisture Retention* + Curl & Shine + Yucca Baobab, Yes to Blueberries
    Stylers: KCKT*, SM Curl Enhancing Smoothie* + Curl & Style Milk*, KCCC*, FSG*, CJ Pattern Pusha, Curl Keeper
    Sealers: Jojoba* or Grapeseed* oil

    * = HG

  • stefflg79stefflg79 Posts: 85Registered Users
    Don't know if your still using it, but I have come to realize that the Suave Naturals line seems to make me itch. I've tried Tropical Coconut & Eternal Sunshine. I switched to a low poo instead of Cowash and the itching has went away. So far my favorite low poo is acure.
    Fine/Thin hair (low density)
    Normal porosity
    Normal Elasticity

    Techniques: Modified Super Soaker, plopping, pixe diffusing, clipping

    Low poo: Acure, Y2Cukes
    Co Wash: SNRS, Suave Tropical Coconut
    RO: Y2C
    Style: FSG (HG!!!!), with HETT & BRHG or Devacurl Ultra light defining Gel
    PT: IAGirls Gelatin
    DT: GVP CB mixed with Coconut oil, Olive Oil, Agave (or honey).

    Favorite Styling tools: Devafuser, Deva clips & Flour Sack Towels
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