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How do you know when you need protein?

My hair is 3a, thin strands, and low porosity. I don't use any protein at all because I know my hair is protein sensitive. I think a little may help with curl definition and hold. Is that accurate? If so, does anyone have a reccomendation for a conditioner or spray in with light protein?

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  • anonymous_133347anonymous_133347 Posts: 1,426Registered Users
    If the strands are thin then you're fine and you probably like or even need a lil' protein. Have you experimented with any? My strands are thick (coarse-haired) and even that doesn't mean my hair hates all protein. It likes lighter ones such as silk, vegetable, can do soy if it's further down the ingredient list. I did a three minute gelatin treatment that went okay, a mayo prepoo, etc. :wave:
    3A - C, HP, ME, HD. (Coarse, High Porosity, Medium Elasticity, High Density.)

    CG since Nov. 2012

    Poos: SM Moisture Retention + Yucca Baobab, TJ's Tea Tree Tingle
    Condish: TJ 'sTea Tree Tingle*, SM Moisture Retention* + Curl & Shine + Yucca Baobab, Yes to Blueberries
    Stylers: KCKT*, SM Curl Enhancing Smoothie* + Curl & Style Milk*, KCCC*, FSG*, CJ Pattern Pusha, Curl Keeper
    Sealers: Jojoba* or Grapeseed* oil

    * = HG

  • DCWavyLadyDCWavyLady Posts: 373Registered Users
    Thanks, dusalocks. Maybe I was using too much protein when I used to use a conditioner with protein. What is a gelatin or mayo treatment?

    Anyone have other recs for getting a little bit of protein?
  • anonymous_133347anonymous_133347 Posts: 1,426Registered Users
    Gelatin treatment:

    Pedaheh's Hair Blog: Science-y Hair Blog Recipes

    The minimum amount of time you can leave it in is 3 minutes so I did that because I'm a scaredy cat.

    Another coarse-haired user told me to keep things simple anytime she feels like she needs protein she just slathers her hair with mayonnaise for maybe 30 minutes before she gets in the shower. The mayonnaise gets absorbed and adds some perk to her curls. I tried it and it didn't dry my hair out at all. Worked for me.

    Also you could try some mayonnaise, eggs and maybe some coconut or olive oil to help the protein penetrate the hair shaft. Mix that up and put it in your hair. Leave it for maybe 30 min-1 hour before you shower.

    Yeah, it might've been your hair just OD'd on that particular conditioner and that particular protein. Don't worry though. You're bound to find one or two your hair likes.
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    CG since Nov. 2012

    Poos: SM Moisture Retention + Yucca Baobab, TJ's Tea Tree Tingle
    Condish: TJ 'sTea Tree Tingle*, SM Moisture Retention* + Curl & Shine + Yucca Baobab, Yes to Blueberries
    Stylers: KCKT*, SM Curl Enhancing Smoothie* + Curl & Style Milk*, KCCC*, FSG*, CJ Pattern Pusha, Curl Keeper
    Sealers: Jojoba* or Grapeseed* oil

    * = HG

  • anonymous_133347anonymous_133347 Posts: 1,426Registered Users
    Oh if it helps another user who is extremely protein sensitive told me the only kind of protein her hair can tolerate is kertain so you could find a PT that's keratin rich and give that a go.
    3A - C, HP, ME, HD. (Coarse, High Porosity, Medium Elasticity, High Density.)

    CG since Nov. 2012

    Poos: SM Moisture Retention + Yucca Baobab, TJ's Tea Tree Tingle
    Condish: TJ 'sTea Tree Tingle*, SM Moisture Retention* + Curl & Shine + Yucca Baobab, Yes to Blueberries
    Stylers: KCKT*, SM Curl Enhancing Smoothie* + Curl & Style Milk*, KCCC*, FSG*, CJ Pattern Pusha, Curl Keeper
    Sealers: Jojoba* or Grapeseed* oil

    * = HG

  • Laura LeeLaura Lee Posts: 1,828Registered Users
    My hair loves protein. I can tell I need more when my hair starts to become "mushy." It feels undefined and lightweight but not in a good way. Fluffy is another word that comes to mind.
  • DCWavyLadyDCWavyLady Posts: 373Registered Users
    Uh oh...what's a PT? Oh...protein treatment? Is that something drugstores sell or do you have to go to a salon or maybe Sally's beauty supply?! I'm a scardy cat, too, so I'm thinking I'll start with something with just a little protein. The keratin treatment sounds like a good option and perhaps I'll 'graduate' to the more intense stuff later.:)
  • JessiebananaJessiebanana Posts: 940Banned Users
    I'm protein sensitive and my RO conditioner has oat protein in it. That doesn't seem to bother me. I don't use any other protein though.

    You'll know if you need it. if your hair is curly and strong then I wouldn't do it just because you "should".
    3C/Fine to Medium/Low Porosity/High Density

    :love5:MoistureMoistureMoisture:love5:

    Low Poo: CJ Gentle Cleansing Shampoo
    RO/DC: DB Pumpkin Seed Curl Moisturizing Conditioner
    LI: CJ Smoothing Lotion
    Styler: Queen Helene Sculpturing Gel & Glaze

    No Salts, No Waxes, No Butters, No Heavy Oils
    No ACV, No Saponified Oils, Protein Sensitive
  • flippaciousflippacious Posts: 155Registered Users
    My hair is fine and normal to low porosity. I have found it loves protein. I thought I was protein sensitive at first, but I'm starting to suspect the straw-like reaction I had was from other ingredients (panthenol in particular). What makes you think you are protein sensitive?

    I know my hair needs protein when it isn't as curly. A good indication is when it starts to droop when it is wet. It will feel mushy when wet, and also a little mushy when dry. My hair will also start to be frizzier when it's dry, but feel really soft to the touch.

    I second the gelatin PT. It's the first PT I tried and my hair loves it. I follow with a deep treatment, which means I put an emollient-rich conditioner in my hair and leave it in for 30-60 min.

    Also, naturallycurly.com is one of the few sites that says low porosity hair should steer away from protein. Fine hair tends to love protein.
    2b/c, high density
    fine, medium porosity, normal elasticity
    loves protein, hates polyquats
    still searching for HGs
  • DCWavyLadyDCWavyLady Posts: 373Registered Users
    Flippacious,
    Where do you buy the gelatin PT, or is it something you make at home?
    I used to use an ouidad conditioner which has wheat protein in it. For several months I didn't understand why my hair was so dry-turns out it was just over proteined! Of course, I was using that conditioner ever 2-3 days, so I may have just been using it too often.
  • FrizzBgoneFrizzBgone Posts: 2,678Registered Users
    When my hair starts to look fly-away or frizzy when I know there is no reason for it to, I know it needs protein.

    My hair really likes protein so I do protein treatments every couple of weeks but I also use a protein rich leave in regularly. One of my favourite leave ins is CJ's Curl Fix. Once I started using it as a leave in I found my hair never for to the point that it showed I needed a treatment.



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  • anonymous_133347anonymous_133347 Posts: 1,426Registered Users
    You can buy packets of knox unflavored gelatin at the grocery store in the baking aisle. The little box is 4 packs and runs you $2. There's a bigger box with more packets that's $11 I believe but I suggest you make sure your hair likes gelatin first and go with the little box. Should be good for 4 PTs.
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    CG since Nov. 2012

    Poos: SM Moisture Retention + Yucca Baobab, TJ's Tea Tree Tingle
    Condish: TJ 'sTea Tree Tingle*, SM Moisture Retention* + Curl & Shine + Yucca Baobab, Yes to Blueberries
    Stylers: KCKT*, SM Curl Enhancing Smoothie* + Curl & Style Milk*, KCCC*, FSG*, CJ Pattern Pusha, Curl Keeper
    Sealers: Jojoba* or Grapeseed* oil

    * = HG

  • sheilacurlsheilacurl Posts: 1,240Registered Users
    Here's a great link ~ with pictures!

    Protein vs Moisture « Pittsburgh Curly
    Upper Michigan Dews
    3a ~ Fine ~ High Porosity ~ Normal Density

    NoPoo: JC Cleansing Cream
    Rinse Outs: SS:PRT, CJ Repair Me, CJ Argan
    Detangler: KCKT
    Leave-in: CJ Repair me
    Stylers: UFDCM, BRHG
    Refreshers: Batiste (dry shampoo) on the roots & UFDCM everywhere else

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  • DCWavyLadyDCWavyLady Posts: 373Registered Users
    Thanks, everyone! I'm going to try a light protein to see if I can get some more definition. My hair keeps getting over moisturized and then lacks curl definition. If anyone has a keratin based protein treatment, please let me know! It sounds like gelatin or keratin are my best options to start.
  • anonymous_133347anonymous_133347 Posts: 1,426Registered Users
    Isn't the Joico K-Pak keratin based? It's very popular too.
    3A - C, HP, ME, HD. (Coarse, High Porosity, Medium Elasticity, High Density.)

    CG since Nov. 2012

    Poos: SM Moisture Retention + Yucca Baobab, TJ's Tea Tree Tingle
    Condish: TJ 'sTea Tree Tingle*, SM Moisture Retention* + Curl & Shine + Yucca Baobab, Yes to Blueberries
    Stylers: KCKT*, SM Curl Enhancing Smoothie* + Curl & Style Milk*, KCCC*, FSG*, CJ Pattern Pusha, Curl Keeper
    Sealers: Jojoba* or Grapeseed* oil

    * = HG

  • DCWavyLadyDCWavyLady Posts: 373Registered Users
    I found this in the store today:

    /home/leaving?target=http%3A%2F%2Fm.drugstore.com%2Fkeratin-complex-by-coppola-deep-conditioner-with-keratin-vanilla-bean%2Fqxp299207" class="Popup

    It has three different types of protein-soy, wheat, and keratin. It says to leave it on for 10 minutes. Would this be considered a protein treatment?

    I couldn't find the joico k-pak; I might just buy it online.

    Thanks, again!
  • hambo02hambo02 Posts: 480Registered Users
    I normally stay away from protein but I felt my hair needed it. I used a cowash with soy protein and left it in my hair for a while. my hair actually loved it. so im gonna use it once a week.
  • kathymackkathymack Posts: 9,999Registered Users
    K-Pak has mineral oil, which is a problem for a lot of us. Whatever you use, read the ingredients carefully!
    3a (Corkicelli), highlighted, fine, low porosity
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  • mosunamosuna Posts: 94Registered Users
    I am going to do a protein treatment today...pretty sure my hair is both over conditioned and heat damaged. I got a haircut that I don't love a few months ago and since then I've been straightening my hair (I know!...Ugh!).

    After a lot of online research and an almost complete loss of my ringlets, I realized my hair is most likely damaged and that, in an effort to repair the damage, I conditioned waaay too much. Plus, the gel I use daily is the Ouidad Moisture Lock gel which seems to be very moisturizing...I think it's just too much for my fine textured hair.

    Wish me luck! I hope this helps get my curls back.
    Mo
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  • DCWavyLadyDCWavyLady Posts: 373Registered Users
    Good luck, Mosuna! Let us know how it works out!
  • PearlRosePearlRose Posts: 41Registered Users
    Fluffy! That's got me thinking that I may need a PT. Lately I've gained a lot of fluff (no change in dew the past 3wks here) and curls are looser. Nothing that I currently use seems to have protein other than my weekly low-poo but it's far down the list.

    I now have mOnsters Inc on my mind after saying "Fluffy!"
    3B - Fine/Norm - Norm Elas/Por - Protein friendly?

    For Me:
    Weekly Low-Poo: SM Coconut & Hibiscus Curl & Shine Shampoo
    CoWash:
    Rinse-Out: Suave Naturals Rosemary Mint
    Leave-In: SM Coconut & Hibiscus Curl and Style Milk - Giovanni Light Leave In*
    Style: Curls Goddess Curl Gel* SM Coconut & Hibiscus Souffle*

    For my Curly Babies:
    CoWash: L`Oreal Paris Hydracharge Cleansing Conditioner

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  • lifescoutlifescout Posts: 69Registered Users
    I haven't figured out if I am protein sensitive or if my hair needs it either but some of your comments above make me think I might need a Protein treatment. I use products with and without protein and can't tell the difference. I just ordered Curly hair solutions SIlk protein that someone on one of the threads recommended and I can't wait for it to come in to try it!
  • mosunamosuna Posts: 94Registered Users
    Here's my update after doing the Aphogee PT...hair is definitely feeling less "mushy", has more curl and more volume. It's not back to where it was, but from what I gather it could take a while to undo the damage. Now that Spring is upon us and it's more comfortable going out with damp hair, I am swearing off heat! Also swearing off haircuts! Growing it out and hoping some TLC will get my ringlets back.

    Thanks for all the advice, ladies! And I actually thought the Aphogee smelled more like sour apple juice than cat urine. A weird odor, but not horrific (at least for me). I will be doing another one in six weeks, and keeping fingers crossed :-)
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    Striving for: Length!