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Is anyone else's hair only curly when styling products are added?

I've noticed that whenever I do a DT my hair is just wavy, and rather poofy with much less definition than when I use styling products like gel. When I use gel or another styling product similar to it, that's the only time my hair is really curly. I wish my hair was always curly naturally. Does anyone else have this issue? It makes me not feel like a "real" curly
Medium texture, normal porosity, normal elasticity :shock:
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  • mimixmimix Posts: 12Registered Users
    I know what you mean. With products and/or plopping/diffusing i'm a 3a but when i dont do anything with my hair it' a big, poofy 2bc mess..
  • rainboerainboe Posts: 284Registered Users
    This reminds me of the wavy impostor thread in the 2 section. I love that thread.

    http://www.naturallycurly.com/curltalk/2/106864-spin-off-thread-wavy-imposter-not-just-you.html

    A lot of people do best with styling products to bring out the look that they want in their hair. My hair looks worse without styling products too. When I just use leave in conditioner, my hair doesn't clump as well and I get frizz. It might also depend on how you've treated it in the past. I use to never condition, so my hair was constantly dry and frizztastic. Also, heat damage can make it flatter too. The more I used conditioner to moisturize and avoided heat, the more my hair became healthy and held it's curl pattern better. Another thing that can make hair seem less curly is if you hair is all about the same length because it can weigh itself down. Layers really help curls pop up better.

    That said, if your curl pattern doesn't really tighten up, it can be nice to have wavy hair or hair that's kind of in-between based on the season. Like, wavy hair isn't some poofy, annoying conciliation prize for not having bouncier ringlets. It isn't curly hair that's missed the mark. Wavy hair is lovely in it's own right. I have 2b/c hair, and at first I really disliked that it wasn't curly. I did a ton of curl enhancing things to try to bump it up to the 3 level. But now, I find that it's much easier to style and better suited to me to just wear it without as much manipulation. A lot of people come here trying to make their curl pattern more 3-like, and sometimes it's just tons easier to be happy with a looser pattern.
    Fine Texture, Normal Porosity, Normal Elasticity. Dyed to brown a few months ago.
    Lowpoo: Trader Joe's TTT Shampoo
    Rinse Out:
    Yes to Carrots, AOHR, Aubrey Organics Rosemary Peppermint
    LI: Yes to Carrots
    Stylers: Shea Moisture Curl Enhancing Smoothie, LA Looks Sports, Suave Professionals Captivating Curls Whipped Mousse
  • HouseofcurlsHouseofcurls Posts: 322Registered Users
    Me too. I get some spots that curl with or without, but for the most part it's a 2b/c mix without product, and a 3a with b parts with. Annoying
    Rae ~ 2c/3a ~
    Wife to a 3c Curly Guy
    Mom to a straight and a curly.


    "The Longer the Hair, the Bigger the Blob."

    Porous, very dense but fine hair. Medium everything else.
    CoWash: Tressemee naturals
    RO: Generic biolage and generic joico k-pak
    LI: Tresemee
    Miss Jessie's Pillow soft curls, diffuse 50%, add KCCC and diffuse to 80%.
    Always wash upside down.
  • sKorpio1190sKorpio1190 Posts: 1,862Registered Users
    Thanks guys. It's good to see that it's not just me who has this issue. I feel like a curly imposter when I don't put any styling products. I wouldn't mind wavy hair if it wasn't a frizzy, poofy mess when it is wavy. I just don't like that without products I have "bad" hair (what I perceive as bad, meaning just a frizz ball)
    Medium texture, normal porosity, normal elasticity :shock:
  • JulesonlineJulesonline Posts: 444Registered Users
    I tend to think one's curl pattern is what it is regardless of product use or not. What I think is happening is the tendency for the hair to not clump, so the curl pattern is not as obvious without product. This leads to poofiness. IMHO product does not change what you have, but rather aids the hair in clumping so it becomes apparent.
    JulesOnline
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
    3A/B? A corkicelli mix of ringlets, spirals, helixes & s-shaped curls
    Medium-fine texture, normal porosity, normal elasticity


    Summer: pink; Winter: Blue; Year Round: green
    Lo-Poo:Giovanni SAS sulfate free poo, L'Oreal Evercream CC
    Co-wash: TNRV, VO5 Vanilla Mint Tea, TNNM
    RO/LI:
    YTC, Nexxus Hydra-light w/ CNPF GVPCB, Biolage CB, TNNM, Giovanni SAS
    Styler: KCCC FSG, BRHG, LALSG



  • sKorpio1190sKorpio1190 Posts: 1,862Registered Users
    I tend to think one's curl pattern is what it is regardless of product use or not. What I think is happening is the tendency for the hair to not clump, so the curl pattern is not as obvious without product. This leads to poofiness. IMHO product does not change what you have, but rather aids the hair in clumping so it becomes apparent.

    Hmmmm that's a good way to look at it. Thanks Jules
    Medium texture, normal porosity, normal elasticity :shock:
  • HouseofcurlsHouseofcurls Posts: 322Registered Users
    Yeah Jules!
    Rae ~ 2c/3a ~
    Wife to a 3c Curly Guy
    Mom to a straight and a curly.


    "The Longer the Hair, the Bigger the Blob."

    Porous, very dense but fine hair. Medium everything else.
    CoWash: Tressemee naturals
    RO: Generic biolage and generic joico k-pak
    LI: Tresemee
    Miss Jessie's Pillow soft curls, diffuse 50%, add KCCC and diffuse to 80%.
    Always wash upside down.
  • Jas76Jas76 Posts: 2,283Registered Users
    My hair is "less curly" without products. I blame my porosity.

    I used to think my hair was just barely wavy unless I used products. Then I realized after going CG it was all in the health of your hair and the technique you use to style it. Even with NO gel or anything, if you do the same techniques just with condish your hair (when healthy) will be curlier than if your hair was "fried" and you used no real curly styling techniques.
    2c/3a/3b, Fine/med, Dense, high porous, & normal elas.

    Lo-poo - Renpure Keratin, SMR, Giovanni SaS
    clarifying - mix Johnson's H2T with low poo
    Co-wash - Suave Nats. clar. or coco.
    RO - GVPCB, Ion Eff. Care, TN.
    LI - SMR, Cure Care, or RO
    Seal - MO or Jojoba
    DT - + honey, ACV, & EVOO to SM masque & GVPCB
    PT - Gelatin!, CNPF
    Styling - FSG, AIF, BRHG, LALS/PS, GF curl spray gel, SM Souffle/Smoothie, LOOB
    Oils - MO!, EVOO, jojoba, GSO, SM Elixer, EVCO, VO5 Hairdressing
  • jipszeejipszee Posts: 57Registered Users
    My hair needs help too. It's fine so it wont hold the curl for long. I wouldn't feel guilty, look at the amount of products available for straight hair. Stuff to make it shinier, lay straighter, stop flyways, control frizz. Curly or straight or in between, people are always going to need/want help with their hair. That's why the hair is a multi-million dollar industry.
    Hair: lots of fine 2c/3a
    Length: Mid back
    Shampoo:Shea moisture coconut hibiscus
    Cond:, suave naturals coconut
    Post condition/Leave in: Shea moisture smoothie
    HG:L'oreal evercurl gel. AG: Recoil,
  • morganrcmorganrc Posts: 86Registered Users
    With enough effort- the perfect combination of multiple products and techniques- I can make my hair look curly and "perfect." This frustrates me though because I don't want to have to completely manipulate every aspect of my hair for it to look good, I want t work with what I actually have. My hair is a 2b/2cish when I use minimal product and scrunching. I'd rather leave it wavy than put all that effort into making it more curly. It's more practical for me.
    2B, Coarse, Low-Medium Porosity, Dense.
    -Cowash - Kiss My Face Whenever.
    -Rinse Out/Leave in - Nature's Gate Biotin.
    -No stylers.:thumbright:
  • LuuuuucyLuuuuucy Posts: 146Registered Users
    Yup me too. If I do absolutely nothing, I have coarse frizzy waves. If I do my "routine", I can get soft 3a spirals.
    Curly work in progress
    2C with some 3A if all the stars align
    Low porosity, medium to low density and fine
    No sulfates since 2009
    CG since 2013

    In my stash:
    Shampoos and conditioners- Tresemme Naturals Low Poo, Tresemme Naturals Moisturizing Aloe, Suave Naturals Coconut
    Leave Ins- Kinky Curly Knot Today
    Stylers- KCCC, AG Recoil, KY Lubricant (yup), SM Curl Milk
    Gels- Ecostyler, Biosilk RHG
    Mousse- Devacurl Uplifting Foam, Suave Captivating Curls
  • LuuuuucyLuuuuucy Posts: 146Registered Users
    Hit enter too fast. Makes me feel like a cheater too. When people say "is that your naturally curly hair?" I'm kinda like, "yyyyyyeah, I think?"
    Curly work in progress
    2C with some 3A if all the stars align
    Low porosity, medium to low density and fine
    No sulfates since 2009
    CG since 2013

    In my stash:
    Shampoos and conditioners- Tresemme Naturals Low Poo, Tresemme Naturals Moisturizing Aloe, Suave Naturals Coconut
    Leave Ins- Kinky Curly Knot Today
    Stylers- KCCC, AG Recoil, KY Lubricant (yup), SM Curl Milk
    Gels- Ecostyler, Biosilk RHG
    Mousse- Devacurl Uplifting Foam, Suave Captivating Curls
  • sKorpio1190sKorpio1190 Posts: 1,862Registered Users
    lol exactly!
    Medium texture, normal porosity, normal elasticity :shock:
  • anonymous_133347anonymous_133347 Posts: 1,426Registered Users
    I don't think it's cheating. ;) I think of it as "Hey, my hair can do this without a curling iron." Cheating for me would be using a flat iron and trying to pass myself off as straight. Besides don't some of the 3s and plenty of the 4s have a variation of the same problem? A lot of curlies need product to define and control the curl, otherwise it gets poofy and less defined. I know I have a wavy 'fro without product. Well, at least I used to before I went CG. Now I do the naked hair test (not completely naked since I use a little leave in, just not gel) and I can still retain some curls but I highly doubt that if I took my gel free hair out for a spin outdoors that it would retain its shape for very long. It would probably frizz. But that's cool. I'm just thankful there are so many great products out there. I still dream of the day I can do conditioner only styling though. . . :roll:
    3A - C, HP, ME, HD. (Coarse, High Porosity, Medium Elasticity, High Density.)

    CG since Nov. 2012

    Poos: SM Moisture Retention + Yucca Baobab, TJ's Tea Tree Tingle
    Condish: TJ 'sTea Tree Tingle*, SM Moisture Retention* + Curl & Shine + Yucca Baobab, Yes to Blueberries
    Stylers: KCKT*, SM Curl Enhancing Smoothie* + Curl & Style Milk*, KCCC*, FSG*, CJ Pattern Pusha, Curl Keeper
    Sealers: Jojoba* or Grapeseed* oil

    * = HG

  • hambo02hambo02 Posts: 480Registered Users
    my hair has no curl and its soo poofy without any product. its really odd
  • JessiebananaJessiebanana Posts: 940Banned Users
    I think this is more of a loose curl issue, but us tighter curls are hardly without out dependencies. My curls are in full force in the shower, but I need product for them to dry as neat. It's the difference between this:

    ophina%20BrownDSC_8540.jpg

    and this:

    Naturally-Curly-Hair-small-sz.jpg

    Which is sort of what my hair looks like by the time I'm off to bed and have played with it since I got off work...except worse cause it's shorter. I'm such a bad curly :angry7:.
    3C/Fine to Medium/Low Porosity/High Density

    :love5:MoistureMoistureMoisture:love5:

    Low Poo: CJ Gentle Cleansing Shampoo
    RO/DC: DB Pumpkin Seed Curl Moisturizing Conditioner
    LI: CJ Smoothing Lotion
    Styler: Queen Helene Sculpturing Gel & Glaze

    No Salts, No Waxes, No Butters, No Heavy Oils
    No ACV, No Saponified Oils, Protein Sensitive
  • sKorpio1190sKorpio1190 Posts: 1,862Registered Users
    hambo02 wrote: »
    my hair has no curl and its soo poofy without any product. its really odd

    Isn't it annoying too? I hate it!
    Medium texture, normal porosity, normal elasticity :shock:
  • sKorpio1190sKorpio1190 Posts: 1,862Registered Users
    I think this is more of a loose curl issue, but us tighter curls are hardly without out dependencies. My curls are in full force in the shower, but I need product for them to dry as neat. It's the difference between this:

    ophina%20BrownDSC_8540.jpg

    and this:

    Naturally-Curly-Hair-small-sz.jpg

    Which is sort of what my hair looks like by the time I'm off to bed and have played with it since I got off work...except worse cause it's shorter. I'm such a bad curly :angry7:.

    The hair in both pics is gorgeous! I knew a guy with hair like in the second pic and I was in love with it, and with him. Hmm maybe I just fell in love with his hair :P jk
    Medium texture, normal porosity, normal elasticity :shock:
  • curlydownundercurlydownunder Posts: 6Registered Users
    It seems like alot of us have this problem. For me, dry hair equals straight hair. If i dont use enough leave in moisturiser and conditioner my hair can go down to 2a, if its healthy it's 3a. It also depends on the weather. Its very annoying and frustrating.
  • MissDarceiMissDarcei Posts: 193Registered Users
    Yes I also have a tight curl pattern and my hair is very undefined without product. Much less defined than the second pic there. Barely a curl pattern at all. But when it's wet there are curls everywhere. I dont have a picture of me without product but this first picture is my hair brushed out which is almost the same thing lol and the second is my hair styled.
    3c Hair
    Fine Strands, High Density, Low Porosity
    CG since August 2011
    :love4:Loving my hair!!!:love4:
  • JulesonlineJulesonline Posts: 444Registered Users
    It is frustrating for sure! If I use no product I still get the ringlets on the bottom, but the canopy is a fizzy mess of undefined curls. But, if I look at each strand, I can see them curling individually. Like the clumps won't stick together.

    The first is product and the second is without product.
    JulesOnline
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
    3A/B? A corkicelli mix of ringlets, spirals, helixes & s-shaped curls
    Medium-fine texture, normal porosity, normal elasticity


    Summer: pink; Winter: Blue; Year Round: green
    Lo-Poo:Giovanni SAS sulfate free poo, L'Oreal Evercream CC
    Co-wash: TNRV, VO5 Vanilla Mint Tea, TNNM
    RO/LI:
    YTC, Nexxus Hydra-light w/ CNPF GVPCB, Biolage CB, TNNM, Giovanni SAS
    Styler: KCCC FSG, BRHG, LALSG



  • JessiebananaJessiebanana Posts: 940Banned Users
    MissDarcei wrote: »
    Yes I also have a tight curl pattern and my hair is very undefined without product. Much less defined than the second pic there. Barely a curl pattern at all. But when it's wet there are curls everywhere. I dont have a picture of me without product but this first picture is my hair brushed out which is almost the same thing lol and the second is my hair styled.

    Lol, I love your face in the combed pic. I was looking for real world example and this is exactly what I meant. Some people can't believe it's my same hair.
    3C/Fine to Medium/Low Porosity/High Density

    :love5:MoistureMoistureMoisture:love5:

    Low Poo: CJ Gentle Cleansing Shampoo
    RO/DC: DB Pumpkin Seed Curl Moisturizing Conditioner
    LI: CJ Smoothing Lotion
    Styler: Queen Helene Sculpturing Gel & Glaze

    No Salts, No Waxes, No Butters, No Heavy Oils
    No ACV, No Saponified Oils, Protein Sensitive
  • JessiebananaJessiebanana Posts: 940Banned Users
    It is frustrating for sure! If I use no product I still get the ringlets on the bottom, but the canopy is a fizzy mess of undefined curls. But, if I look at each strand, I can see them curling individually. Like the clumps won't stick together.

    The first is product free and the second is with product.

    Your hair does look more uniform with product, but I think you're lucky in that your naked hair looks pretty much the same though curl pattern wise.
    3C/Fine to Medium/Low Porosity/High Density

    :love5:MoistureMoistureMoisture:love5:

    Low Poo: CJ Gentle Cleansing Shampoo
    RO/DC: DB Pumpkin Seed Curl Moisturizing Conditioner
    LI: CJ Smoothing Lotion
    Styler: Queen Helene Sculpturing Gel & Glaze

    No Salts, No Waxes, No Butters, No Heavy Oils
    No ACV, No Saponified Oils, Protein Sensitive
  • JulesonlineJulesonline Posts: 444Registered Users
    It is frustrating for sure! If I use no product I still get the ringlets on the bottom, but the canopy is a fizzy mess of undefined curls. But, if I look at each strand, I can see them curling individually. Like the clumps won't stick together.

    The first is product free and the second is with product.

    Your hair does look more uniform with product, but I think you're lucky in that your naked hair looks pretty much the same though curl pattern wise.

    Thx. I updated my post. I'm tired and had uploaded the wrong product free pic.
    JulesOnline
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
    3A/B? A corkicelli mix of ringlets, spirals, helixes & s-shaped curls
    Medium-fine texture, normal porosity, normal elasticity


    Summer: pink; Winter: Blue; Year Round: green
    Lo-Poo:Giovanni SAS sulfate free poo, L'Oreal Evercream CC
    Co-wash: TNRV, VO5 Vanilla Mint Tea, TNNM
    RO/LI:
    YTC, Nexxus Hydra-light w/ CNPF GVPCB, Biolage CB, TNNM, Giovanni SAS
    Styler: KCCC FSG, BRHG, LALSG



  • longlivecurlslonglivecurls Posts: 271Registered Users
    I have the same issue and if I brush it AHHHH!!! It's usually just frizzy poofy and curl less without product but I still have a lot of damage hair that I don't want to completely cut off since I like my length. I think it might be a regular issue on ppl with 3a hair and looser. The tighter the curl the harder it is to disappear but you still need help with frizz and definition. Since I consider it sort of a trait I wouldn't think of it as cheating. It's just something that happens. I haven't tried condition only styling and might give it a try next time.
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    med/high porosity & high density
    hair strand width: med/coarse
    BSL hair & growing



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  • BlackAngelPlayahBlackAngelPlayah Posts: 1,419Registered Users
    I was thinking about this today. Gel makes it so coily and defined, but soaking wet it's just a few curls and frizz. Weird.
    :afro:FroZen:afro:
  • sKorpio1190sKorpio1190 Posts: 1,862Registered Users
    I'm happy to see that it's not just my hair that acts like this :)
    Medium texture, normal porosity, normal elasticity :shock:
  • OnduleeOndulee Posts: 1,264Registered Users
    instead of asking: "Is anyone else's hair only curly when styling products are added?" the question should really be "is anyones hair really truly pin straight without styling product and/or heat appliances and chemical straighteners added?":toothy3:

    then we would get to the real state of affairs. If everyone else's hair was so perfectly and effortlessly straight as is implied, then where is the need for curling irons, perms, flat irons etc? I think almost everyones hair has some bend to it if left in it totally 100% natural state. We are probably all curlies to some degree. Even people who have lovely shiny glossy silky straight hair usually give it a helping hand to have it look that way. There is no stigma attached to them for their efforts to keep their hair 'neat and tidy' with these chemicals, sprays and smoothers and appliances but there seems to be a double standard that curlies are only curlies if they do nothing to their hair and that it should be curl perfection right out of bed. My question is, are straighties really straight right out of bed themselves? No they are not, plenty of round brushes and blow dryers and curling irons, flat irons putting a drain on the electrical grid every single morning not to mention the serums, sprays and other gook they use to give the impression that their hair is "naturally straight". I beg to differ, so what are a few styling products in comparison, for curlies to manage their hair? Most of us don't use high heat and tortuous tools to manage our hair. We are virtUous in comparison to the damage inflicted by the straighties... :toothy3:

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  • anonymous_133347anonymous_133347 Posts: 1,426Registered Users
    MissDarcei wrote: »
    Yes I also have a tight curl pattern and my hair is very undefined without product. Much less defined than the second pic there. Barely a curl pattern at all. But when it's wet there are curls everywhere. I dont have a picture of me without product but this first picture is my hair brushed out which is almost the same thing lol and the second is my hair styled.

    I also love the face! Miss Darcei you are a cutie pie.
    3A - C, HP, ME, HD. (Coarse, High Porosity, Medium Elasticity, High Density.)

    CG since Nov. 2012

    Poos: SM Moisture Retention + Yucca Baobab, TJ's Tea Tree Tingle
    Condish: TJ 'sTea Tree Tingle*, SM Moisture Retention* + Curl & Shine + Yucca Baobab, Yes to Blueberries
    Stylers: KCKT*, SM Curl Enhancing Smoothie* + Curl & Style Milk*, KCCC*, FSG*, CJ Pattern Pusha, Curl Keeper
    Sealers: Jojoba* or Grapeseed* oil

    * = HG

  • anonymous_133347anonymous_133347 Posts: 1,426Registered Users
    Word, Ondulee. That's some straight up truth right there.

    I envy the woman who doesn't have to do anything to manipulate or cajole her hair's pattern, be it straight or curly. I have yet to encounter such a creature.
    3A - C, HP, ME, HD. (Coarse, High Porosity, Medium Elasticity, High Density.)

    CG since Nov. 2012

    Poos: SM Moisture Retention + Yucca Baobab, TJ's Tea Tree Tingle
    Condish: TJ 'sTea Tree Tingle*, SM Moisture Retention* + Curl & Shine + Yucca Baobab, Yes to Blueberries
    Stylers: KCKT*, SM Curl Enhancing Smoothie* + Curl & Style Milk*, KCCC*, FSG*, CJ Pattern Pusha, Curl Keeper
    Sealers: Jojoba* or Grapeseed* oil

    * = HG

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