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"The Curlier the Better" A message about acceptance.

I've noticed that it is typical for the ladies here to criticize the fact that straight hair is generally accepted as the "prettiest, more proffesional, etc." Whatever. And I get it. My hair isn't naturally straight, (obviously) and I don't like when people believe my hair should be straightened.

Another trend I've noticed is so many people on this forum agreeing to, whether consciously or not, to the notion that the curlier, the better. Countless posts are dedicated to this very topic.

Will my curl pattern get tighter if I do this?
What can I do to make my hair curlier?
Will my wavy hair ever get curlier?
Look at me- my hair is soo much curlier than it was before. Want to see 10 pictures of it?

I understand being happy about your hairs progress in terms of looks and health, and I understand wishing your hair would cooperate. But isn't the point of this forum for curly haired people to come together and discuss what they naturally have?

The website is called NATURALLYcurly. Shouldn't we be enhancing what we naturally have, rather than desperately trying to alter what we don't? I hate to break it to you, but your hair isn't naturally a certain way when you the only way you can achieve that style is by going through a long process of different products and techniques. Yes, products and techniques help enhance what we have, but not to the point where your routine is becoming extensively obscure.

Many people with curly and wavy hair alike come here to find refuge in people with similar hair. When the message is sent that the curlier, the better, can people really find refuge? Or is it just another place where people will feel that they are not good enough the way they NATURALLY are. It's almost like the environment is that of the world we hate so much, saying straight is better. Saying curly is better is no different than that!

I am not trying to convict anyone; I just want everyone to know that whether your hair is straight, wavy, or curly, you're still beautiful. No one style is better than the other. If everyone can accept themselves for what they have, it'll be so much easier for everyone to accept each other.
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Comments

  • anonymous_133347anonymous_133347 Posts: 1,426Registered Users
    I agree to the extent that we all should be happy about the texture and pattern we have. The other day I was talking with my momma wavie about how sometimes hormonal changes can cause your hair to go curly or straight and she sighed, "I wish my hair would go straight." I'm all, "Why? Your hair is so pretty. And you have so much of it! Other women your age have bald spots." And she complained that it isn't quite curly, and it isn't quite straight. So she feels like a monkey in the middle. I told her I would've killed for her hair growing up. Because my curlier hair was so unmanageable and frizzy and bushy compared to hers which always was nice down without product. Just a soft natural wave. And it's much easier for her to straighten her hair and it can hold a spiral decently (she can get up to 2C) with a hard hold gel. Plus her hair is naturally auburn! I always wanted auburn hair and my hair will take blonds and light browns but has a hard time holding onto reds.

    The point is, everybody wants something they can't have, so it's best to just accept the blessings of what you've got. But that doesn't mean we shouldn't be able to pat ourselves on the back for the blessings of what our hair can do! For me personally, a styling routine anywhere past five to ten minutes and involving more than 2 products at a time would be very annoying and tiresome, but then I wash my hair every other day. Say someone's routine is 30 or 40 minutes and involves twelve different products but the style they create can hold for five days with proper maintenance and pineappling? That'd be cool too. Some routines can seem elaborate when people are spelling them out but it's second nature to them and they know personally how to make the most out of their hair because they've done so much experimenting. And not everybody thinks curlier or clumpier is better. A lot of people think volume is better. Or length is better so they want to elongate the curl and stretch it out and combat shrinkage. Again for me, personally, I prefer the curlier look maybe 70% of the time because I get less frizz and make the most of my haircut's shape when my hair is all clumped up. However, it also looks very cute when I wake up in the morning with it all loose. If I want that I just rake in the morning and don't scrunch up. The added length is nice too.
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    Poos: SM Moisture Retention + Yucca Baobab, TJ's Tea Tree Tingle
    Condish: TJ 'sTea Tree Tingle*, SM Moisture Retention* + Curl & Shine + Yucca Baobab, Yes to Blueberries
    Stylers: KCKT*, SM Curl Enhancing Smoothie* + Curl & Style Milk*, KCCC*, FSG*, CJ Pattern Pusha, Curl Keeper
    Sealers: Jojoba* or Grapeseed* oil

    * = HG

  • morganrcmorganrc Posts: 86Registered Users
    dusalocks wrote: »
    I agree to the extent that we all should be happy about the texture and pattern we have. The other day I was talking with my momma wavie about how sometimes hormonal changes can cause your hair to go curly or straight and she sighed, "I wish my hair would go straight." I'm all, "Why? Your hair is so pretty. And you have so much of it! Other women your age have bald spots." And she complained that it isn't quite curly, and it isn't quite straight. So she feels like a monkey in the middle. I told her I would've killed for her hair growing up. Because my curlier hair was so unmanageable and frizzy and bushy compared to hers which always was nice down without product. Just a soft natural wave. And it's much easier for her to straighten her hair and it can hold a spiral decently (she can get up to 2C) with a hard hold gel. Plus her hair is naturally auburn! I always wanted auburn hair and my hair will take blonds and light browns but has a hard time holding onto reds.

    The point is, everybody wants something they can't have, so it's best to just accept the blessings of what you've got. But that doesn't mean we shouldn't be able to pat ourselves on the back for the blessings of what our hair can do! For me personally, a styling routine anywhere past five to ten minutes and involving more than 2 products at a time would be very annoying and tiresome, but then I wash my hair every other day. Say someone's routine is 30 or 40 minutes and involves twelve different products but the style they create can hold for five days with proper maintenance and pineappling? That'd be cool too. Some routines can seem elaborate when people are spelling them out but it's second nature to them and they know personally how to make the most out of their hair because they've done so much experimenting. And not everybody thinks curlier or clumpier is better. A lot of people think volume is better. Or length is better so they want to elongate the curl and stretch it out and combat shrinkage. Again for me, personally, I prefer the curlier look maybe 70% of the time because I get less frizz and make the most of my haircut's shape when my hair is all clumped up. However, it also looks very cute when I wake up in the morning with it all loose. If I want that I just rake in the morning and don't scrunch up. The added length is nice too.

    I'm not saying we shouldn't be proud of our hair our elaborate routines are bad, I'm just pointing œ that sometimes people put too much emphasis on things they can't control. But I guess only in a perfect world would people always be happy with what they have. Haha. Thanks for your response and perspective :)
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  • anonymous_133347anonymous_133347 Posts: 1,426Registered Users
    Oh, I didn't think you were saying that either. I realize you were pointing out the extremes. The idea that anybody would go to tears over their hair not "achieving" a certain curl type or spend hundreds of dollars and hours trying force it to happen. I was just defending myself (and maybe other wavy-curlies) from what you didn't imply but what certain people might infer, if that makes any sense. Because I must admit I do check in at the end of the month with a naked hair test to see how much improved my hair looks, but also as a personal perk to see how much "curlier" it has gotten. It's kind of like when I read the curly girl handbook and Lorraine Massey wrote about her hair's natural destiny and how her hair went from frazzled and frizzy to tight corkscrews springing at the roots. I didn't and certainly don't expect that to happen to me, but I had hope just reading the statement that I'd manage to get some "shape" out of my hair. (Other than a pyramid.) When I was in grade school I had curly hair and it was tangly, but something happened around puberty where it just got huge. And I'd mess with it and try to brush it out and that would make it worse. So I thought I just had super thick and ridiculously frizzy wavy hair. And when I cut my hair shorter it would curl nicely but after a certain length it always reverted to its bushy state. Now I realize all I had to do was stop shampooing, brushing and (for me the icing on the cake) using silicones. Since I've stopped styling straight with heat and switched to natural products my hair has gotten a lot healthier and I think it's worth noting that at the same time it has gotten curlier too. So, as corny as it sounds, I think this might be my hair's "destiny", if that makes sense. More definition for me = less frizz and flyaways so that must mean I'm headed in the right direction. :thumbup:
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    Poos: SM Moisture Retention + Yucca Baobab, TJ's Tea Tree Tingle
    Condish: TJ 'sTea Tree Tingle*, SM Moisture Retention* + Curl & Shine + Yucca Baobab, Yes to Blueberries
    Stylers: KCKT*, SM Curl Enhancing Smoothie* + Curl & Style Milk*, KCCC*, FSG*, CJ Pattern Pusha, Curl Keeper
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  • morganrcmorganrc Posts: 86Registered Users
    Oh I understand. I'm guilty of what I accused us all to be guilty of. And I have a cheesey story too. We ad to write a memoir in my college english class about an ephiany and I wrote it about my hair and got a 97%!! But I wasn't trying to accuse people, I just wanted to point out that everyone's hair is beautiful in its natural state. Yet, it is super amazing to see how treating your hair right makes such a difference. Someday I want to find a picture of my hair when I was younger, just to put into perspective the difference good care can make! Sorry for typos, on my phon and it's kinda hardt to control haha
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    -Cowash - Kiss My Face Whenever.
    -Rinse Out/Leave in - Nature's Gate Biotin.
    -No stylers.:thumbright:
  • anonymous_133347anonymous_133347 Posts: 1,426Registered Users
    God I know! Especially iphones.
    3A - C, HP, ME, HD. (Coarse, High Porosity, Medium Elasticity, High Density.)

    CG since Nov. 2012

    Poos: SM Moisture Retention + Yucca Baobab, TJ's Tea Tree Tingle
    Condish: TJ 'sTea Tree Tingle*, SM Moisture Retention* + Curl & Shine + Yucca Baobab, Yes to Blueberries
    Stylers: KCKT*, SM Curl Enhancing Smoothie* + Curl & Style Milk*, KCCC*, FSG*, CJ Pattern Pusha, Curl Keeper
    Sealers: Jojoba* or Grapeseed* oil

    * = HG

  • lucyprimroselucyprimrose Posts: 166Registered Users
    Yes, I think some people have been pressured for so long to straighten their curls, or have not realised they had curls and had a cloud of frizz instead, that there is a natural process of discovering you're curlier than you thought. That often goes along with condition being better; when your hair is undamaged and moisture/protein balanced, it curls it's best. So that's all good.

    Also some people (me!) want to get curlier to get back to how they know their hair was before damage or whatever happened to it, and get their authentic hair back to feel like themselves again.

    It is one thing to want your cut/condition etc to give you the healthiest hair possible. Once I've got to that point (if I ever do!) I'll be happy and own my hair whatever it's type. But it isn't so good to reach that point and still be yearning after another hair type. People are free to do that , but for me, discovering CG has been about accepting your natural texture. It has made me feel not only that curlies shouldn't straighten all the time, but that straight haired shouldn't curl all the time. In it's best condition every hair type is unique and equal. I know it is natural to have a backlash after so much curl bashing in the media, and coming on here does remind how curliness is fab!! But we shouldn't lose sight of tolerance and inclusion and celebrating all types.

    Thanks for raising this, as I just said I think some of the stuff about wanting to revive curls is valid. But I totally agree that a mentality of 'curlier is better no matter what' wouldn't be a great mentality to have around. Acceptance, try and get your natural hair to it's best and then celebrate...whatever it is.

    ps. I don't have a problem with people changing their natural texture in either direction if that makes them feel good...hair liberty for all!
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  • NelekeNeleke Posts: 456Registered Users
    I you watch my topic (frustrated insecure new curly needs support) you would probably think I would do anything to become curlier.
    However, I would not even like it te be more than a 3a, I get frustrated because my hair doesn't look good (equals: is not healthy yet) and I don't know yet how to achieve it and so on...
    Probably a frustration of a lot of new curlies.

    I would never ever force my hair to go curly, although I would use conditioner, mousse and plopping I guess...

    I now spend less time on my hair than when I straightened it.
    When I straightened it, I needed 20 minutes in the shower, then 45 minutes to dry my hair, then 20 minutes to straighten it. 2nd or 3rd days would need at least half an hour of time.

    Now I still shower for 20 minutes. I need 5 minutes to prepare my hair for airdrying and that's it...
    2nd or 3rd day hair: 5 minutes (removing pineapple, going with fingers through hair, sometimes adding oil).

    So when I straightened it washday was 85 minutes, now 25. 2nd or 3rd day was 30 minutes, now 5.

    And I can definitely not leave it without mousse or so... because then it just looks exploded...
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  • hairhealthhairhealth Posts: 90Registered Users
    great thread.

    *whether accepting curly or coily or whatever natural

    God-given texture, my point is to accept YOUR hair.

    *when you find yourself using a bunch of products,

    getting frustrated when your hair won't behave, is

    that really any different than straightening it to

    death only to get sad when the rain comes.

    *to me natural is akin to "cruise control". that means,

    "free". it wasn't until i was doing a redken online

    hair analysis that i realized, I really don't want my

    hair to "do" anything.

    *I just enjoy it. When I buy products it isn't to

    achieve anything, I just like buying them. I guess

    once i got over the fact that my hair would never

    "take" a relaxer, I just got over it period.

    *There are days when I go, "I can't believe I am

    outside like this" but then hubby supports me and I

    realize, this is "my hair". If I can't accept it, what is

    the point of having it in the first place.

    and with that comes the enjoyment of "hair" - the

    products, the forums, the grow out...

    *Great thread, 'love all the differing points of view...
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  • JessiebananaJessiebanana Posts: 940Banned Users
    I disagree, I much rather have a 2c or 3a curl. I don't think it's the curlier the better on here.
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  • anonymous_133347anonymous_133347 Posts: 1,426Registered Users
    That's what the pickle is. Sometimes the 4s want looser curls and the 2s want tighter curls and even the 3Cs want to be 3As and vice versa. I'd love a more defined pattern but I'm honestly pleased with what I've got. Like I said, it's shape and movement, not a frizz fest. And all curly hair, from wavy to coily and ziggly has shape and movement. We're really blessed. Not all straight haired girls can say the same. (At least not without hairspray and backcombing and curling irons, etc.)
    3A - C, HP, ME, HD. (Coarse, High Porosity, Medium Elasticity, High Density.)

    CG since Nov. 2012

    Poos: SM Moisture Retention + Yucca Baobab, TJ's Tea Tree Tingle
    Condish: TJ 'sTea Tree Tingle*, SM Moisture Retention* + Curl & Shine + Yucca Baobab, Yes to Blueberries
    Stylers: KCKT*, SM Curl Enhancing Smoothie* + Curl & Style Milk*, KCCC*, FSG*, CJ Pattern Pusha, Curl Keeper
    Sealers: Jojoba* or Grapeseed* oil

    * = HG

  • heyhoheyho Posts: 55Registered Users
    morganrc wrote: »
    I've noticed that it is typical for the ladies here to criticize the fact that straight hair is generally accepted as the "prettiest, more proffesional, etc." Whatever. And I get it. My hair isn't naturally straight, (obviously) and I don't like when people believe my hair should be straightened.

    Another trend I've noticed is so many people on this forum agreeing to, whether consciously or not, to the notion that the curlier, the better. Countless posts are dedicated to this very topic.

    Will my curl pattern get tighter if I do this?
    What can I do to make my hair curlier?
    Will my wavy hair ever get curlier?
    Look at me- my hair is soo much curlier than it was before. Want to see 10 pictures of it?

    I understand being happy about your hairs progress in terms of looks and health, and I understand wishing your hair would cooperate. But isn't the point of this forum for curly haired people to come together and discuss what they naturally have?

    The website is called NATURALLYcurly. Shouldn't we be enhancing what we naturally have, rather than desperately trying to alter what we don't? I hate to break it to you, but your hair isn't naturally a certain way when you the only way you can achieve that style is by going through a long process of different products and techniques. Yes, products and techniques help enhance what we have, but not to the point where your routine is becoming extensively obscure.

    Many people with curly and wavy hair alike come here to find refuge in people with similar hair. When the message is sent that the curlier, the better, can people really find refuge? Or is it just another place where people will feel that they are not good enough the way they NATURALLY are. It's almost like the environment is that of the world we hate so much, saying straight is better. Saying curly is better is no different than that!

    I am not trying to convict anyone; I just want everyone to know that whether your hair is straight, wavy, or curly, you're still beautiful. No one style is better than the other. If everyone can accept themselves for what they have, it'll be so much easier for everyone to accept each other.

    This post was beautifully expressed. All I would change is to turn the last sentence around:

    If everyone can accept each other, it'll be so much easier for everyone to accept themselves for what they have.

    People send such mixed signals when they tell one person that their loose, wavy hair is perfect as it is, and then tell someone else with a full head of regular tight ringlets how they would kill to have that hair and demand to know their routine, products, meteorological and geographical data and what they ate last Tuesday.

    This website is called Naturally Curly. Having hair is natural. Losing hair is natural. Hair being frizzy is natural. Hair being bushy is natural. Unfortunately, it looks like people forming hair hierarchies is also natural.
  • AnnieRoseAnnieRose Posts: 87Registered Users
    I get what you're saying and I agree to a certain extent.
    But it isn't anyones responsibility to make others feel better about their natural curl.
    Okay, hear me out.
    I get that you are frustrated by people who (by your perception) beat their hair into submission and won't accept their naturally curly texture. But in your criticism and appeal for acceptance you forget that certain people have ideals they strive after and varied traditions of hair maintenance that deviates from your normalized western one...
    Maybe some can't yet accept their texture in it's raw state yet - maybe others know what's best for their hair and like how their hair looks that way. You won't get those people to magically change their minds and it shouldn't affect you.
    You criticize extensive use of products and long hair care routines on the basis of what you perceive is a "normal" way to do your hair. Which in itself stems from a society that normalizes straight hair and straight hair care. You're just following suit.
    Admittedly I haven't spend much time on the type 2 forum on this site but I can't imagine that the environment there is in any way like the one we curlies encounter out there in the "real" world.
    I'm sure there have been instances on this site where the general attitude was disheartening to you and I feel really sorry about that but the truth is that even in a place of refuge people are just people. And many will strive for the most "polished" look they can achieve. In the end it just you can be your hairs biggest fan. I certainly am.
  • joseybirdjoseybird Posts: 90Registered Users
    I get the impression (which of course may be wrong), that curlies are more interested in finding techniques/products that better define their curls than ones that tighten their curl pattern.

    My biggest issues with my hair are frizz and lack of root curl. The latter can be a problem not because I think "curlier is better" but because my hair is fine and thin, and I have a largish head, so if my roots lie flat against my head it looks like I have practically no hair :cwm10: I would never straighten my hair, NOT because I think curlier is better but because my hair properties make a good deal of volume necessary to balance out my head XD (also, my hair is so delicate that if I straightened my hair it would damage it horribly =/)
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  • lcl0706lcl0706 Posts: 959Registered Users
    Well I for one agree with the OP. I've seen multiple threads a week "how do I make my hair curlier???" And people cut it & use a zillion products & cross their fingers hoping to achieve "3a status." Status? That seriously makes it sound like a competition. It's not a status, it's a curl pattern, which is irrelevant to how you care for it anyways! The status thing has got to go.

    I dont see this with type 4s as much as wavies but it seems 3a & 3b are most often the sought after curl patterns, maybe because they seem uniform & predictable, more manageable than either tighter or looser patterns, & also maybe what the westernized society seems as stereotypically "curly hair." I've seen pics in the 3a & 3b threads of type 2 hair & and I've also seen type 2s ask "what's my hair type I think it's a 3" and some of the responses almost seem snarky, like with a tone of "it's so not a 3" like a 3 is better or something.

    Look ill admit I had 3a/3b hair as a child and as I aged and accepted my curls back, I came on here calling my hair curly. I have always known & classified it as curly. I believe I would again now, but at first when I asked my hair type & was told I was a 2, it honestly felt like being knocked down a level. Because that's not how I saw it & what id been used to & I was jealous, somehow type 3 hair seemed way better than type 2.

    I mean no disrespect to natural wavies because their hair truly is beautiful but I understand the frustration of having hair that is neither straight or curly & is sometimes both on the same head. It can make for complicated routines, unless you want to accept that you'll walk out the door with an undefined ball of fluff on your head. We know there are those who started out as a 2 & became a 3 and that's just not going to happen to everyone. Wavies are wavies & wavy hair is beautiful & the goal here is to make it as healthy as possible, regardless of how it curls. It makes me sad when I see wavies not happy with their waves & always trying to make it curlier because I know how that feels & it misses the point of what this site was originally created for.

    I can't speak for the 4s because I'm not one & have spent no time in those sections. I only can say what I've seen around the board I've been most active on.
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  • wannabewannabe Posts: 42Registered Users
    It does make me sad when I see wavies post asKing if they are a 3, and people say yes just to be supportive and nice.

    But I have to say, I don't think using creams or gels makes us unnatural. I use recoil once a week, and it does make my waves curl. I would still tell someone its natural if they asked. I think unnatural is chemically changing you're hair such as a perm or straightening. Or curling iron/straightening. But just using a cream? No.



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  • Always@nightAlways@night Posts: 566Registered Users
    This is such an interesting topic, I was thinking about this a few days ago when my cousin asked me if I could "help her get her hair curly like mine". I explained to her that I could not, because my hair is naturally springy and curls on it's own.
    I feel this is more a matter of self appearance and what people feel looks best on them. Some people with wavy hair might just simply prefer a curlier look because they feel it suits them better than their naturally wavy hair and the same can be said for the verse situation. Sometimes a curly/kinky, would prefer for their hair to fall down and hang a bit more, it's all about preference.
    I think it's great that some people can accept their natural curl pattern, but their will always be people who are unsatisfied with what they have and look for a way to change/alter or "fix" what they believe is wrong. That's why their are cosmetic surgeries, dieting pills, makeup.
    The same goes for hair too, doesn't it?:icon_smile:
    =)
  • AKgirlAKgirl Posts: 341Registered Users
    I've spent the majority of my life thinking I just had weird, messy, hard to comb through hair. I always thought it was weird that when it rained my hair get curls and waves. My mom actually used to perm my hair to make it curly because it actually looked nice then. My natural hair, I feel looks messy. When I first came here in 2010, I had actually gone into the hairdresser and had wanted another perm, because I couldn't ever do wash and go's, I always had to blow out straight. My hair is so fine and was colored and damaged from washing with sulfate shampoo and heat damage. I was frustrated because my hair is neither straight nor curly! And although my hair got slightly wavier and healthier it was not dramatic and I was still unhappy because my hair would never be a head of beautiful curls. I gave up for some time, and two years later I'm back and am finally realizing that I don't need all the gels (nor do I like the way they look in my hair) or to make my hair curly, I'm ok with a nice lazy beachy natural wave. I have always been labeled as having straight hair, so people have been asking if I got a body wave, lol. I was striving for something that was unachievable in my hair. Now I'm finally accepting it (even though I still get excited to have a nice curl in my hair, lol). Each set of hair has its possible challenges though. My friend who has stick straight hair said, "man you're so lucky you can get your hair to do that naturally, I have to curl mine!". : )

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    Products: Deva FFVF & Jessicurl Spiralicious (LOVE), TRESemme Curl Boosting Mousse
    Hairspray: Aussie Sprunch, TRESemme Curl
    locking Spray
    Experimenting with lots of products in my cabinet...


    My hair loves protein, plopping, and diffusing! Trying to find a way to style and air dry.
  • CurlyCarmenCurlyCurlyCarmenCurly Posts: 118Registered Users
    But that's the thing, you often don't know HOW curly your hair can be. I have 3b hair which can be so tight and clumpy and spirally and ringletty or it can be loose, wavy, limp and irregular. I like my hair curlier. It naturally IS, but it depends how I treat it. Nothing wrong with that. And I work with my natural texture, without products.
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    BSL stretched (longest it's ever been and growing rapidly!), past shoulder curly. Hair goal is hip length.

    3a-b/f-m/ii. Soft and silky texture and prone to tangles. Can't get second day hair, even if I kissed the feet of fairy's :neutral:

    Follow me on Instagram! Weightlossandcurls.


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  • JessiebananaJessiebanana Posts: 940Banned Users
    Depending on how wavy it is, I sometimes see wavy as straight. I think the overwhelming majority of people don't have stick straight hair and I think a lot of wavies can get away with typical hair care products. It seems to me the people most frustrated by CG are 2s.

    I don't see why we can't be inclusive, so I don't see the point of telling a 2 they're wasting their energy using 5 million products, but I think a lot of the desire to be curlier from 2s comes from wanting to belong to our group more than anything else. Society is hardly anti-wavy. With all the beach hair sprays and "curly" styles that are actually wavy, I think 2 hair is pretty main stream.

    The only thing that sort of annoys me is that with all this desire to be something else it makes categories seem difficult to figure out or as if we need more. So many wavies want to be 3a...so 3a becomes looser. Then it's wow, if she's a 3a than I must be a 3b in comparison and so on and so forth, until we get 3d or 4g. Is your curl pattern around the size of a sharpie? A highlighter? A fat commercial sharpie? No. Then you're not 3b, let it go. Stop confusing people.
    3C/Fine to Medium/Low Porosity/High Density

    :love5:MoistureMoistureMoisture:love5:

    Low Poo: CJ Gentle Cleansing Shampoo
    RO/DC: DB Pumpkin Seed Curl Moisturizing Conditioner
    LI: CJ Smoothing Lotion
    Styler: Queen Helene Sculpturing Gel & Glaze

    No Salts, No Waxes, No Butters, No Heavy Oils
    No ACV, No Saponified Oils, Protein Sensitive
  • lucyprimroselucyprimrose Posts: 166Registered Users
    I don't see wavy hair as straight because as someone who has been both straight (as a child), then curly, then wavy (not sure if all due to damage/cut or partly natural shift) and mixed type, I can say for me they are not the same. Closer to straight, but not straight - eg. when your waves are loose or completely fallen out, the hair is not defined curls but it does not take on the exact texture, shape or responses of straight hair. If I wanted my waves at their loosest to look like straight hair, I'd have a battle with flat irons on my hands. Right now on my head I have a small straight section, large wavy section, and small curly section. They all behave totally differently. But I get what you're saying, it's all about perspective I guess.

    For me it's all about condition, type doesn't matter to me. And for condition your properties are what counts, eg. having fine hair stays with you even if your curl pattern shifts.
    UK based wavy :hello2:

    Mostly waves, but curls and straight bits too!
    Fine to medium, high porosity, medium density, very low elasticity
    Highlights damage (growing it out), seems to like protein and need lots of moisture.

    Cleanse - CJDF, trying out low poos ; Co wash- Uk chemist brands, Urtekram Rose or Aloe, Hairveda Amala Cream Rinse; RO - varies, Tigi Moisture Maniac, Desert Essence Coconut ; Leave in - Keracare natural textures; Sealant - argan oil
    Trying out new things, still looking.
  • HootenannyHootenanny Posts: 300Registered Users
    I kind of wish we could get rid of curl typing. *sigh*
    :cat: Medium/coarse, low porosity, dense, mix of 3s :cat:
    CG (again) since Nov. 2012

    Cleanse: SM Moisture Retention, Elucence MBC, KC Come Clean
    Condish: Giovanni DL, Cure Care, Ion Treatment, GVP Balm, AOHR
    Protein: AOGPB, CNPF, SSRPT
    Stylers: KCCC, SM Souffle, AOMM, SS CEJ, JCRR, JCCC

    :cat: Trying out steaming! :cat:
  • morganrcmorganrc Posts: 86Registered Users
    I'm sorry if some people didn't interpret my opinion correctly. Sometimes I'm not so good at wording things! The main point I was trying to express is that everyone as beautiful hair, whether it's straight to coily. I don't necessarily think that long routines aren't natural, because they are, I'm was just trying to point out that I'm sure everyone's hair is still amazing without immense manipulation. I'm not everyone, I'm just me, so I can't speak for everyone. That's just my opinion. And a lot of you are right, I didn't really think about the 4's when I posted this because I honestly don't know what it's like to be in that position. My hair is a more 2c-3a. Probably a little more 2 cish and I love it :) I think waves are beautiful. They have so much body and it's so free and natural looking. I'm not saying that I don't agree with CG. I follow the method, and I love the way it makes my hair look and feel. I do realize that the majority of people affected by this "the curlier the better" epidemic are wavies who desperately want to fit in with the "cool" 3a-3b types. I just want everyone to know that what I wrote was not suppose to be critical, but more of something to self reflect on. Whether you're someone who tirelessly tries to make your hair curl in a way that is never going to happen, or you're someone who has the stereotypical "perfect" curl, there's room for everyone in this community.
    2B, Coarse, Low-Medium Porosity, Dense.
    -Cowash - Kiss My Face Whenever.
    -Rinse Out/Leave in - Nature's Gate Biotin.
    -No stylers.:thumbright:
  • Monkey_Monkey_ Posts: 71Registered Users
    I'm glad somebody said it. Before I read this post, just a few days ago, i decided to quit all this nonsense. A few years ago I had beautiful 3a curls, for some reason I am 2b/c now. These past weeks I have been trying so hard to get my curls back, but a few days ago i just thought, screw it. I'll let my hair do what it wants, as long as I use natural products that don't hurt my hair, I have nothing to worry about. I am now trying to work with my waves, and if they want to be curls someday again, sure. Whatever works :D
    2b/c, fine, low-med porosity
    Co-Wash: Live Clean Fresh Water Conditioner
    Leave-In: Yes To Carrots Leave-in Conditioner
    Styler: Herbal Essences Totally Twisted Curl Boosting Mousse, FSG, GF Pure Clean Gel
  • morganrcmorganrc Posts: 86Registered Users
    Monkey_ wrote: »
    I'm glad somebody said it. Before I read this post, just a few days ago, i decided to quit all this nonsense. A few years ago I had beautiful 3a curls, for some reason I am 2b/c now. These past weeks I have been trying so hard to get my curls back, but a few days ago i just thought, screw it. I'll let my hair do what it wants, as long as I use natural products that don't hurt my hair, I have nothing to worry about. I am now trying to work with my waves, and if they want to be curls someday again, sure. Whatever works :D

    I'm so glad you said this! I'm actually in a very similar vote. My hair, when short, is a 2c/3a easy. But the problem is, I don't like my hair short. So I'm growing it out again, but the longer it gets, the wavier it gets. Which doesn't bother me. I think waves are beautiful! So free and fun. I just don't know how to care for them and define them the best way yet, but I will learn. :)
    2B, Coarse, Low-Medium Porosity, Dense.
    -Cowash - Kiss My Face Whenever.
    -Rinse Out/Leave in - Nature's Gate Biotin.
    -No stylers.:thumbright:
  • KorkscrewKorkscrew Posts: 1,834Registered Users
    I love the fact that my hair changes with time. I think all the changes have allowed me to more deeply appreciate several hair types.

    When my hair is long (shoulder length or longer), it's an obvious 3b with 3a scattered throughout. But when it has a bunch of short layers in it (like now), it's a mixture of 3b and 3c, with some 3a scattered about. I'm kicking around the idea of cutting it shoulder length or shorter for a little variety, some change :p The husband suggested either cut it shoulder length, or cut it so it's just an inch or two long ("because you have the perfect head shape for it, honey" - translation: I'm sick of finding your hair all over the house).

    All I know is I love all sorts of curly hair! There is a lot of cool hair to gawk at in these forums, whether that hair appears "polished" or not. But admittedly, I lean toward a less polished look ;)
  • morganrcmorganrc Posts: 86Registered Users
    It also drives me crazy when people say things along the lines of, "3a on a good day, 2c on a bad." Just, what!?!? That's like a subconscious insult. Why can't both days be good hair days, just in different ways? Or why can't they be bad hair days for another reason?
    2B, Coarse, Low-Medium Porosity, Dense.
    -Cowash - Kiss My Face Whenever.
    -Rinse Out/Leave in - Nature's Gate Biotin.
    -No stylers.:thumbright:
  • CurlyIndianGirlCurlyIndianGirl Posts: 161Registered Users
    I so love this thread. I totally agree with morganrc. I do a messy twist curl on my hair on the day I wash, not because I want perfect curls, But because it takes me up to day5 hair. it sure takes extra 15 minutes but the fact that I have low porosity and drying my hair after a wash can take up to a day even after 50% diffusing, makes it ok. I wash my hair mostly on fridays-sundays.

    we have to embrace what we have in natural:) as far I can control some frizzy I am good to go.

    Also even though one tries hard enough to get to the perfect world, they might be tired one day and give up!
    3a with some 2a-2c, Medium/Low Porosity
    Co-wash:deva no-poo/Vo5 kiwi
    Detangle:Suave
    Leave-in:Shea Moisture/GVP conditioning Balm/AOHSR

    Since long hair- I finger twist in big chunks, which helps till 5th day hair:farao:
    Gel:LA sports
    Plop: Old T-shirt for 15 minutes ,diffuse
  • seamelody14seamelody14 Posts: 282Registered Users
    I noticed this too. I have type 2 hair that ranges from a very loose 2a to tight 2b of I don't do anything. With styling, I can get it to 3a but I just don't have the time nor do I really care. As long as its not frizzy, it's cool. But a lot of advice for my curl pattern is just how to enhance your waves, makes them tighter, etc. I guess there's really nothing wrong with wanting to enhance your waves, but I'm sick of it being assumed that if you're a 2a, that's what you'll want. I like my curl pattern just the way it is!


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    2a/b
    medium/thick
    high porosity (from coloring)

    Shampoo: Mop Top Gentle Shampoo
    Co-wash: Chistophe Robin Lemon Cleansing Cream
    RO: CJ strengthening, Kenra moisturizing
    LI: Jessicurl Aloeba
    DT: CJ rehab, Christophe Robin Prickly Pear Mask
    PT: SS protein treatment, Ouidad 12 minute
    Stylers: Jessicurl RR, SS Firm Hold Gel
    Oils: caudalie, sweet almond
  • morganrcmorganrc Posts: 86Registered Users
    I noticed this too. I have type 2 hair that ranges from a very loose 2a to tight 2b of I don't do anything. With styling, I can get it to 3a but I just don't have the time nor do I really care. As long as its not frizzy, it's cool. But a lot of advice for my curl pattern is just how to enhance your waves, makes them tighter, etc. I guess there's really nothing wrong with wanting to enhance your waves, but I'm sick of it being assumed that if you're a 2a, that's what you'll want. I like my curl pattern just the way it is!


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    amen!
    2B, Coarse, Low-Medium Porosity, Dense.
    -Cowash - Kiss My Face Whenever.
    -Rinse Out/Leave in - Nature's Gate Biotin.
    -No stylers.:thumbright: