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Olive oil vs coconut oil?

So I hear that coconut oil is the "best" oil that penetrates the hair shaft, but olive oil seems to be more popular, at least when it comes to "cocktailing."

Can anyone who's tried both explain how these two oils differ? Thanks!!
3a - Fine, thin, non-porous hair - boo! :(


Shampoo: SM shampoos

Clarifying Shampoo: KC Come Clean

Co-Wash: L'Oreal Cleansing Conditioners, As I Am Co-Wash

Hair Gel: L.A. Looks Sport, KCCC, SM Curling Souffle

DT Conditioner: SM Raw Shea Masque, SM Raw Shea conditioner + coconut oil, GVPCB

LI Conditioner: Tresemme Naturals, KCKT, VO5 shea + SM baby oil

Curl Enhancers: L.A. Looks Beachy Waves, Organix Moroccan Sea Salt Spray. AG re:coil

Comments

  • Jas76Jas76 Posts: 2,283Registered Users
    Actually, both penetrate the hair shaft.

    Some people who are protein sensitive say they have problems with EVCO, tho other protein sensitives have no problem with it.

    EVCO is a solid under a certain temp, though it should melt in your palm with no problem.

    It's mostly a matter of preference, I think. I use each for different things!
    2c/3a/3b, Fine/med, Dense, high porous, & normal elas.

    Lo-poo - Renpure Keratin, SMR, Giovanni SaS
    clarifying - mix Johnson's H2T with low poo
    Co-wash - Suave Nats. clar. or coco.
    RO - GVPCB, Ion Eff. Care, TN.
    LI - SMR, Cure Care, or RO
    Seal - MO or Jojoba
    DT - + honey, ACV, & EVOO to SM masque & GVPCB
    PT - Gelatin!, CNPF
    Styling - FSG, AIF, BRHG, LALS/PS, GF curl spray gel, SM Souffle/Smoothie, LOOB
    Oils - MO!, EVOO, jojoba, GSO, SM Elixer, EVCO, VO5 Hairdressing
  • joseybirdjoseybird Posts: 90Registered Users
    Jas76 wrote: »
    Actually, both penetrate the hair shaft.

    Oh, I know :) I'd just heard that coconut oil is "better" somehow and don't know why if it's less popular than olive oil.
    3a - Fine, thin, non-porous hair - boo! :(


    Shampoo: SM shampoos

    Clarifying Shampoo: KC Come Clean

    Co-Wash: L'Oreal Cleansing Conditioners, As I Am Co-Wash

    Hair Gel: L.A. Looks Sport, KCCC, SM Curling Souffle

    DT Conditioner: SM Raw Shea Masque, SM Raw Shea conditioner + coconut oil, GVPCB

    LI Conditioner: Tresemme Naturals, KCKT, VO5 shea + SM baby oil

    Curl Enhancers: L.A. Looks Beachy Waves, Organix Moroccan Sea Salt Spray. AG re:coil
  • Jas76Jas76 Posts: 2,283Registered Users
    Sorry! I added more to my post - my cold decided to send it before I was done! Lol!!

    I haven't found one to be better than the other, just different!
    2c/3a/3b, Fine/med, Dense, high porous, & normal elas.

    Lo-poo - Renpure Keratin, SMR, Giovanni SaS
    clarifying - mix Johnson's H2T with low poo
    Co-wash - Suave Nats. clar. or coco.
    RO - GVPCB, Ion Eff. Care, TN.
    LI - SMR, Cure Care, or RO
    Seal - MO or Jojoba
    DT - + honey, ACV, & EVOO to SM masque & GVPCB
    PT - Gelatin!, CNPF
    Styling - FSG, AIF, BRHG, LALS/PS, GF curl spray gel, SM Souffle/Smoothie, LOOB
    Oils - MO!, EVOO, jojoba, GSO, SM Elixer, EVCO, VO5 Hairdressing
  • anonymous_133347anonymous_133347 Posts: 1,426Registered Users
    After going on a hair research bender the past three months I'd say they're equally popular. And I like them both. Coconut smells better though. . . also coconut is really nice to rub into your skin when it gets dry. I sleep with it on my face now. And try grapeseed oil. It penetrates the hair shaft too but is way-y-y lighter than the others and doesn't smell like much. I'm using it to seal and I also throw it in for deep treatments along with EVCO and EVOO. I still need to buy some pure argan oil to add my arsenal. :walk:
    3A - C, HP, ME, HD. (Coarse, High Porosity, Medium Elasticity, High Density.)

    CG since Nov. 2012

    Poos: SM Moisture Retention + Yucca Baobab, TJ's Tea Tree Tingle
    Condish: TJ 'sTea Tree Tingle*, SM Moisture Retention* + Curl & Shine + Yucca Baobab, Yes to Blueberries
    Stylers: KCKT*, SM Curl Enhancing Smoothie* + Curl & Style Milk*, KCCC*, FSG*, CJ Pattern Pusha, Curl Keeper
    Sealers: Jojoba* or Grapeseed* oil

    * = HG

  • EricachristinaEricachristina Posts: 496Registered Users
    I prefer coconut oil I find it makes my hair feel softer. The olive oil is just way too heavy and greasy for my hair and its difficult for me to get out.
  • LoveInBetweenLoveInBetween Posts: 392Registered Users
    I like both. I like olive oil for sealing and adding to my DTs BUT I like coconut oil as a prepoo. I use it detangle my hair before I cowash or cleanse. Although I use jojoba for sealing now, I still use oilve in my DT.

    Sent from my SPH-L710 using CurlTalk App
    Curl Routine
    Co: As I am Coconut CoWash,VO5 Claifying Conditioner
    DC: Macadamia Repair Masque
    LI: KCKT, Suave Naturals Coconut
    Style Creme: Shea Moisture Curl Enhancing Smoothie
    Gel: KCCC, Eco Styler Argan Oil
    Sealer: EVCO, EVOO

    3b/3c, High Desity, High Porosity, Medium Texture, BSL
    ""Live by the sun, love by the moon"


  • hambo02hambo02 Posts: 480Registered Users
    olive oil. coconut dries my hair out ;/
  • LoveInBetweenLoveInBetween Posts: 392Registered Users
    +1

    Sent from my SPH-L710 using CurlTalk App
    Curl Routine
    Co: As I am Coconut CoWash,VO5 Claifying Conditioner
    DC: Macadamia Repair Masque
    LI: KCKT, Suave Naturals Coconut
    Style Creme: Shea Moisture Curl Enhancing Smoothie
    Gel: KCCC, Eco Styler Argan Oil
    Sealer: EVCO, EVOO

    3b/3c, High Desity, High Porosity, Medium Texture, BSL
    ""Live by the sun, love by the moon"


  • JessiebananaJessiebanana Posts: 940Banned Users
    Olive oil is too heavy to be as effective for me. It's okay in a DC, but I prefer coconut.
    3C/Fine to Medium/Low Porosity/High Density

    :love5:MoistureMoistureMoisture:love5:

    Low Poo: CJ Gentle Cleansing Shampoo
    RO/DC: DB Pumpkin Seed Curl Moisturizing Conditioner
    LI: CJ Smoothing Lotion
    Styler: Queen Helene Sculpturing Gel & Glaze

    No Salts, No Waxes, No Butters, No Heavy Oils
    No ACV, No Saponified Oils, Protein Sensitive
  • Jas76Jas76 Posts: 2,283Registered Users
    I use EVOO in my DT's, and sometimes as a pre-poo.

    I use EVCO as a pre-poo way more commonly than EVOO, especially overnight (when I know I'm washing in the morning). I use it as an additive to LI once in a while, and as an additive to PT's, in that it's suppose to aid in protein retention.

    EVCO has some natural SPF qualities.

    I find EVCO can be co-washed out where EVOO cannot. (At least for me).

    I have put EVCO on dry hair (mainly in the summer when it will stay liquidy - otherwise it makes my hair feel dry when it solidifies in it), but find EVOO on dry hair can be tragic for me!
    2c/3a/3b, Fine/med, Dense, high porous, & normal elas.

    Lo-poo - Renpure Keratin, SMR, Giovanni SaS
    clarifying - mix Johnson's H2T with low poo
    Co-wash - Suave Nats. clar. or coco.
    RO - GVPCB, Ion Eff. Care, TN.
    LI - SMR, Cure Care, or RO
    Seal - MO or Jojoba
    DT - + honey, ACV, & EVOO to SM masque & GVPCB
    PT - Gelatin!, CNPF
    Styling - FSG, AIF, BRHG, LALS/PS, GF curl spray gel, SM Souffle/Smoothie, LOOB
    Oils - MO!, EVOO, jojoba, GSO, SM Elixer, EVCO, VO5 Hairdressing
  • JessiebananaJessiebanana Posts: 940Banned Users
    Jas76 wrote: »
    I find EVCO can be co-washed out where EVOO cannot. (At least for me).

    I think this is it for me. Because it doesn't co-wash out I don't use it. I try to only shampoo when I'm experimenting with new products or when my hair gets really gross during the rugby season. My hair is naturally really dry, but it's not porous either.
    3C/Fine to Medium/Low Porosity/High Density

    :love5:MoistureMoistureMoisture:love5:

    Low Poo: CJ Gentle Cleansing Shampoo
    RO/DC: DB Pumpkin Seed Curl Moisturizing Conditioner
    LI: CJ Smoothing Lotion
    Styler: Queen Helene Sculpturing Gel & Glaze

    No Salts, No Waxes, No Butters, No Heavy Oils
    No ACV, No Saponified Oils, Protein Sensitive
  • Jas76Jas76 Posts: 2,283Registered Users
    You know... If I just use some in my DT it seems to rinse out just fine, tho. Thought I should add that!!
    2c/3a/3b, Fine/med, Dense, high porous, & normal elas.

    Lo-poo - Renpure Keratin, SMR, Giovanni SaS
    clarifying - mix Johnson's H2T with low poo
    Co-wash - Suave Nats. clar. or coco.
    RO - GVPCB, Ion Eff. Care, TN.
    LI - SMR, Cure Care, or RO
    Seal - MO or Jojoba
    DT - + honey, ACV, & EVOO to SM masque & GVPCB
    PT - Gelatin!, CNPF
    Styling - FSG, AIF, BRHG, LALS/PS, GF curl spray gel, SM Souffle/Smoothie, LOOB
    Oils - MO!, EVOO, jojoba, GSO, SM Elixer, EVCO, VO5 Hairdressing
  • anonymous_133347anonymous_133347 Posts: 1,426Registered Users
    I think both olive and coconut are too heavy to seal with but I may be wrong. I haven't tested them out yet and I only seal with a few drops of oil so maybe they'd work and I'm just being a chicken. However I've reevaluated my answer. I'm going to agree with Jas and Jessie and say I like coconut more because it's a little lighter and more practical for day to day use. The only time I put olive in my hair is when I DT. It does cowash out for me, but then I mix it with other things when I DT. I don't use it alone. Maybe if I was using it alone it'd stick around.
    3A - C, HP, ME, HD. (Coarse, High Porosity, Medium Elasticity, High Density.)

    CG since Nov. 2012

    Poos: SM Moisture Retention + Yucca Baobab, TJ's Tea Tree Tingle
    Condish: TJ 'sTea Tree Tingle*, SM Moisture Retention* + Curl & Shine + Yucca Baobab, Yes to Blueberries
    Stylers: KCKT*, SM Curl Enhancing Smoothie* + Curl & Style Milk*, KCCC*, FSG*, CJ Pattern Pusha, Curl Keeper
    Sealers: Jojoba* or Grapeseed* oil

    * = HG

  • Jas76Jas76 Posts: 2,283Registered Users
    Same here! It rinses fine when in a DT, on it's own I would take me 2 poos to get it out!

    I don't seal with either. It's been pointed out to me that since both these oils penetrate the hair shaft so well they aren't suitable for sealing. That being said, some seal with them and love them. My hair, however, will get limp and stringy, and then will dry out later bc it doesn't have an effective long-lasting seal.

    Again - that can just be me and my hair properties. If you are a coarse, low-porous girl you may have the opposite results!
    2c/3a/3b, Fine/med, Dense, high porous, & normal elas.

    Lo-poo - Renpure Keratin, SMR, Giovanni SaS
    clarifying - mix Johnson's H2T with low poo
    Co-wash - Suave Nats. clar. or coco.
    RO - GVPCB, Ion Eff. Care, TN.
    LI - SMR, Cure Care, or RO
    Seal - MO or Jojoba
    DT - + honey, ACV, & EVOO to SM masque & GVPCB
    PT - Gelatin!, CNPF
    Styling - FSG, AIF, BRHG, LALS/PS, GF curl spray gel, SM Souffle/Smoothie, LOOB
    Oils - MO!, EVOO, jojoba, GSO, SM Elixer, EVCO, VO5 Hairdressing
  • anonymous_133347anonymous_133347 Posts: 1,426Registered Users
    That too! Forgot to mention it. Yes, if the oils are penetrating the hair shaft they might not be so great for sealing. Grapeseed oil penetrates too, but it seems to work the same as jojoba for me when it comes to sealing. But maybe I'll do a 50/50 mix and put it in a little bottle. Usually on second or third day hair I'll add in a product to refresh that's rich in oils anyways (like Shea Moisture) and that acts as a double sealer.

    P.S. And if you're a coarse, porous curly you're in a pickle!

    P.P.S. I got some gelatin, Jas. My hair seems to be liking/craving protein this week so I thought I'd give it a go.
    3A - C, HP, ME, HD. (Coarse, High Porosity, Medium Elasticity, High Density.)

    CG since Nov. 2012

    Poos: SM Moisture Retention + Yucca Baobab, TJ's Tea Tree Tingle
    Condish: TJ 'sTea Tree Tingle*, SM Moisture Retention* + Curl & Shine + Yucca Baobab, Yes to Blueberries
    Stylers: KCKT*, SM Curl Enhancing Smoothie* + Curl & Style Milk*, KCCC*, FSG*, CJ Pattern Pusha, Curl Keeper
    Sealers: Jojoba* or Grapeseed* oil

    * = HG

  • earthnutsearthnuts Posts: 39Registered Users
    Coconut oil is one of the most penetrating oils for the hair. It's high in saturated fats, which are small molecules that can easily penetrate the hair. It also helps to retain hair protein (though it contains no actual protein, like any other oil) so hair that doesn't like protein may not like it. I find it best used as a pre-treatment or deep treatment. Any very or semi penetrating oil can work for that.

    Olive oil is semi-penetrating because it's high in monounsaturated fats. I like it for sealing. Any semi or low penetrating oil can work for sealing. Because olive oil is semi penetrating it can also be a good deep treatment. It's easy to find so it's popular for all kinds of uses.

    Grapeseed oil is a low penetrating oil. It's high in polyunsaturated fats, which don't penetrate the hair well. Jojoba oil is a liquid wax, which also penetrates the hair poorly. Both are good for sealing.

    I have a huge list of oils here: /home/leaving?target=https%3A%2F%2Fdocs.google.com%2Fspreadsheet%2Fccc%3Fkey%3D0AojS7E2gXDbndDhPNWZ3NXRkbjFpNjY5ZlZyUzVURXc%23gid%3D3" class="Popup that can help you determine whether a fat is penetrating or not.
    AKA earthnut :blob7:
    2c/M/ii, healthy, random kinks, waist length, platinum black!
    Wash routine: sometimes coconut oil treatment, CO wash with Suave, rinse, GVP Hair Reconstructor, rinse, LI Suave, plop, air-dry :happy2:
    Non-wash days: Smooth hair with water and Suave, sometimes olive oil to seal
    Bad for me: Phenoxyethanol irritates scalp, Distearyldimonium Chloride & Quaternium-87 straighten hair
    Holy Grail Conditioners, Suave Naturals with Stearamidopropyl Dimethylamine!
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
  • JessiebananaJessiebanana Posts: 940Banned Users
    I thought grape seed was a non penetrating sealing oil, thanks for clearing that up.
    3C/Fine to Medium/Low Porosity/High Density

    :love5:MoistureMoistureMoisture:love5:

    Low Poo: CJ Gentle Cleansing Shampoo
    RO/DC: DB Pumpkin Seed Curl Moisturizing Conditioner
    LI: CJ Smoothing Lotion
    Styler: Queen Helene Sculpturing Gel & Glaze

    No Salts, No Waxes, No Butters, No Heavy Oils
    No ACV, No Saponified Oils, Protein Sensitive
  • anonymous_133347anonymous_133347 Posts: 1,426Registered Users
    You rock, Earthnuts!
    3A - C, HP, ME, HD. (Coarse, High Porosity, Medium Elasticity, High Density.)

    CG since Nov. 2012

    Poos: SM Moisture Retention + Yucca Baobab, TJ's Tea Tree Tingle
    Condish: TJ 'sTea Tree Tingle*, SM Moisture Retention* + Curl & Shine + Yucca Baobab, Yes to Blueberries
    Stylers: KCKT*, SM Curl Enhancing Smoothie* + Curl & Style Milk*, KCCC*, FSG*, CJ Pattern Pusha, Curl Keeper
    Sealers: Jojoba* or Grapeseed* oil

    * = HG

  • Jas76Jas76 Posts: 2,283Registered Users
    Great post and link, earthnuts!

    Hope you like the gelatin, Dusalocks!
    2c/3a/3b, Fine/med, Dense, high porous, & normal elas.

    Lo-poo - Renpure Keratin, SMR, Giovanni SaS
    clarifying - mix Johnson's H2T with low poo
    Co-wash - Suave Nats. clar. or coco.
    RO - GVPCB, Ion Eff. Care, TN.
    LI - SMR, Cure Care, or RO
    Seal - MO or Jojoba
    DT - + honey, ACV, & EVOO to SM masque & GVPCB
    PT - Gelatin!, CNPF
    Styling - FSG, AIF, BRHG, LALS/PS, GF curl spray gel, SM Souffle/Smoothie, LOOB
    Oils - MO!, EVOO, jojoba, GSO, SM Elixer, EVCO, VO5 Hairdressing
  • itrustchelsitrustchels Posts: 5Registered Users
    Olive oil does not penetrate the hair shaft! there are only 5 oils in the world with small enough molecular structures to penetrate the hair shaft. Coconut oil is one of them so it is better in the long run. olive oil does however sit on top of the hair shaft reducing frizz and leaving the hair feeling soft.

    Itrustchels - YouTube
  • LoveInBetweenLoveInBetween Posts: 392Registered Users
    Do any of you use Jojoba oil to seal?

    Sent from my SPH-L710 using CurlTalk App
    Curl Routine
    Co: As I am Coconut CoWash,VO5 Claifying Conditioner
    DC: Macadamia Repair Masque
    LI: KCKT, Suave Naturals Coconut
    Style Creme: Shea Moisture Curl Enhancing Smoothie
    Gel: KCCC, Eco Styler Argan Oil
    Sealer: EVCO, EVOO

    3b/3c, High Desity, High Porosity, Medium Texture, BSL
    ""Live by the sun, love by the moon"


  • anonymous_133347anonymous_133347 Posts: 1,426Registered Users
    I do! Also grapeseed, but they work equally well IMO. :thumbright:
    3A - C, HP, ME, HD. (Coarse, High Porosity, Medium Elasticity, High Density.)

    CG since Nov. 2012

    Poos: SM Moisture Retention + Yucca Baobab, TJ's Tea Tree Tingle
    Condish: TJ 'sTea Tree Tingle*, SM Moisture Retention* + Curl & Shine + Yucca Baobab, Yes to Blueberries
    Stylers: KCKT*, SM Curl Enhancing Smoothie* + Curl & Style Milk*, KCCC*, FSG*, CJ Pattern Pusha, Curl Keeper
    Sealers: Jojoba* or Grapeseed* oil

    * = HG

  • LoveInBetweenLoveInBetween Posts: 392Registered Users
    How is it? I've used it once this week to seal my hair. Havent used it enough yet..

    Sent from my SPH-L710 using CurlTalk App
    Curl Routine
    Co: As I am Coconut CoWash,VO5 Claifying Conditioner
    DC: Macadamia Repair Masque
    LI: KCKT, Suave Naturals Coconut
    Style Creme: Shea Moisture Curl Enhancing Smoothie
    Gel: KCCC, Eco Styler Argan Oil
    Sealer: EVCO, EVOO

    3b/3c, High Desity, High Porosity, Medium Texture, BSL
    ""Live by the sun, love by the moon"


  • anonymous_133347anonymous_133347 Posts: 1,426Registered Users
    I think it works great. I noticed an immediate difference once I started sealing a few weeks ago. My hair just felt more moisturized as they day wore on. Also it contributed to the whole "my hair feels like seaweed" test you do when you put your leave in on. I take some KCKT and mix it with a few drops of jojoba in my palm before I apply it to my hair and I swear it disperses even better and faster. It's a nice, slippy, slick feeling. My hair feels very healthy! Grapeseed works just as well though for sealing. But I've always like jojoba for skin care so it figures my hair would like it too. ;)
    3A - C, HP, ME, HD. (Coarse, High Porosity, Medium Elasticity, High Density.)

    CG since Nov. 2012

    Poos: SM Moisture Retention + Yucca Baobab, TJ's Tea Tree Tingle
    Condish: TJ 'sTea Tree Tingle*, SM Moisture Retention* + Curl & Shine + Yucca Baobab, Yes to Blueberries
    Stylers: KCKT*, SM Curl Enhancing Smoothie* + Curl & Style Milk*, KCCC*, FSG*, CJ Pattern Pusha, Curl Keeper
    Sealers: Jojoba* or Grapeseed* oil

    * = HG

  • Jas76Jas76 Posts: 2,283Registered Users
    I use jojoba to seal sometimes!! :) it was my sealer of choice before discovering MO.
    2c/3a/3b, Fine/med, Dense, high porous, & normal elas.

    Lo-poo - Renpure Keratin, SMR, Giovanni SaS
    clarifying - mix Johnson's H2T with low poo
    Co-wash - Suave Nats. clar. or coco.
    RO - GVPCB, Ion Eff. Care, TN.
    LI - SMR, Cure Care, or RO
    Seal - MO or Jojoba
    DT - + honey, ACV, & EVOO to SM masque & GVPCB
    PT - Gelatin!, CNPF
    Styling - FSG, AIF, BRHG, LALS/PS, GF curl spray gel, SM Souffle/Smoothie, LOOB
    Oils - MO!, EVOO, jojoba, GSO, SM Elixer, EVCO, VO5 Hairdressing
  • jp_squaredjp_squared Posts: 28Registered Users
    Can someone please explain to me what exactly it means to "seal" the hair?

    What is the process? When you do you apply? How much? How often? etc. etc.

    I've heard a lot about sealing but I can't seem to find anything on technique. I have a huge bottle of grapeseed oil that I'd like to try out, but I'm not sure how to incorporate it into my routine.

    I'm pretty sure I have med-high porosity and fine hair.

    Thanks!
    Ontario, Canada curly following CG since March 2013 (I'm new!)

    Hair Type: 2C/3A
    Porosity: High (??)
    Density: Medium
    Width: Mixed

    Trying something new:
    Low-Poo: Giovanni 50:50
    CO: Suave Naturals Strawberry Conditioner
    RO: TN Vibrantly Smooth Conditioner
    LI: President's Choice Hydrating Conditioner (protein-rich); Biolage Conditioning Balm
    Styling: HETT Curl Gel; AVG; Biotera firm-hold styling gel
  • pinkwolfpinkwolf Posts: 430Registered Users
    I love both EVCO & EVOO. I add EVCO to my PT & EVOO to my DC. Both serve a different purpose for my hair. and scalp. Both are greatly needed. :)
    *Natural 3C/TWA* :toothy7:
    Wash: BS/ACV, ABS, KC Come Clean
    Conditioner: Garnier WB Honey Treasures
    , Garnier WB Apple & Green Tea
    Pre-Poo: Oils & Honey Mix
    DC: Garnier WB Honey Treasures Mask, SM 10-N-1

    PT: Super Mayo Deep Conditioning Treatment
    Styler:
    KCCC, Eco Styler
    Leave-In: KCKT, Garnier WB Coconut & Cocoa Butter LI
    Moisturizer:
    Whipped Shea Butter
    Oil/Sealant:
    EVCO, Jojoba