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African Queen editorial

goldencurlygoldencurly Posts: 2,385Registered Users
There is controversy over the choice of model for this editorial. 'African Queen' editorial uses white model- Simply Chic - MSN Living

I don't think they chose wisely.
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  • SariaSaria Posts: 15,963Registered Users
    OMG WTF are the comments on that page?! Commenters, please die in a fire.
    It's not even that they chose a white model (sadly not surprising), but they went and put her in brown face. Why? Why couldn't they be bothered to just find a black woman at that point?
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  • The New BlackThe New Black Posts: 16,738Registered Users
    I agree with you GC
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  • annabananaliseannabananalise Posts: 1,913Registered Users
    An "unwise choice" is a huuuuge understatement omg.

    Brown/black/yellow face is never never okay.

    omggg white people when will you learn?
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  • annabananaliseannabananalise Posts: 1,913Registered Users
    Those comments...oh my god.

    Oh my god.

    It's like every cliche "but we're post-racial guise!!1!" comment ever made.
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  • annabananaliseannabananalise Posts: 1,913Registered Users
    I just keep going back omg.

    I can't with the "But there are white people in Africa! Don't forget about us white people!" comments

    Lawd, we couldn't if we tried.

    I mean a white girl with African Queen heading the editorial would have been legitimate, yes. But I would have rolled my eyes sooo hard. Because ugh.

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  • SariaSaria Posts: 15,963Registered Users
    Anna, it's racist to think all Africans are black, k?
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  • theliothelio Posts: 5,374Registered Users
    i read the first two comments and walked away.

    we all know white people are in africa how can we forget?

    when i read the title, i thought ok she could still be africa, until i saw the pic! At first i thought, "wait, i thought they said they picked a white model?" then i realized, they gave that girl black face!! yes, to me its black face! when you apply make up to white skin to make it appear darker then put them on the cover of afriace queen magazine, that is the same as black face!
  • CurlyCanadianCurlyCanadian Posts: 10,774Registered Users Curl Dabbler
    thelio wrote: »

    when i read the title, i thought ok she could still be africa, until i saw the pic! At first i thought, "wait, i thought they said they picked a white model?" then i realized, they gave that girl black face!! yes, to me its black face! when you apply make up to white skin to make it appear darker then put them on the cover of afriace queen magazine, that is the same as black face!

    I thought that as well, then saw the pic and that she is American.
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  • theliothelio Posts: 5,374Registered Users
    thelio wrote: »

    when i read the title, i thought ok she could still be africa, until i saw the pic! At first i thought, "wait, i thought they said they picked a white model?" then i realized, they gave that girl black face!! yes, to me its black face! when you apply make up to white skin to make it appear darker then put them on the cover of afriace queen magazine, that is the same as black face!

    I thought that as well, then saw the pic and that she is American.

    if she was am african with her regular color it would be fine imo. but she is not african, so strike one! and they gave her brown face?!?!?!? strike 2!!!
  • sarah42sarah42 Posts: 4,034Registered Users
    That is silly/stupid. Why couldn't they hire a black model for this job?

    As for the article comments. Yes, there are white people in Africa who've lived there for generations. But this photo is clearly meant to depict a black African woman. If they wanted to portray a white African woman, they wouldn't have used makeup to make her skin dark.
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  • spiderlashes5000spiderlashes5000 Posts: 17,495Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    publicity stunt?

  • nynaeve77nynaeve77 Posts: 7,135Registered Users
    Good Lord, the comments. How can there be that many idiots in the world? HOW???? :sad3:
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  • LadyV69LadyV69 Posts: 3,397Registered Users
    I couldn't take it after the first few comments. SMDH at all the clueless people there still are in the world. The fact that they didn't bother to use a black model is enough of an insult to me.

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  • murrrcatmurrrcat Posts: 9,596Registered Users
    Saria wrote: »
    Anna, it's racist to think all Africans are black, k?


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    But no really, if you're an african queen (not just person from africa), why are you white? Let's be real. I've never seen a white african queen in a history book.


    sarah42 wrote: »
    That is silly/stupid. Why couldn't they hire a black model for this job?

    As for the article comments. Yes, there are white people in Africa who've lived there for generations. But this photo is clearly meant to depict a black African woman. If they wanted to portray a white African woman, they wouldn't have used makeup to make her skin dark.

    Exactly. Da Slow, is real y'all. Don't underestimate da slowness of people.
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  • murrrcatmurrrcat Posts: 9,596Registered Users
    THE COMMENTS ARE DEATH TO ME. :laughing2:
    When will there be:
    A White Congressional Caucus?
    A Miss White America beauty pageant?
    White Entertainment Television Network?
    A United Caucasian College Fund?
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    No one seems to mind when Beyonce straightens her hair and highlights it blonde and uses a pale foundation on her face.

    NOT ALL AFRICANS ARE BLACK!!!!! Just shows you how ignorant a "certain ethnic" group is...


    i'm tired of this racial calling BS, this is America if you dont like it go back to Africa or where ever you come from and see how they treat you there, i'm white and i don't get any special treatment because of my skin color so dont feel left out of the equation. I dont hear any other country going out of their way to help people either. face the facts this is not a fair world or eveyone would have it made.

    BS, Blacks need to get a life. Africa includes black and white. The north is white the south is black, get over it. Cleopatra, one of the first "African" Queens was Greek.

    So who cares what color she is? Aren't we supposed to be past this "skin color " thing? Does anyone complain about black Santa Clauses?

    Give it a rest for crying out loud...GROW UP people!





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  • annabananaliseannabananalise Posts: 1,913Registered Users
    ^^ like they have to be trolling.

    They really can't be trying that.
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  • annabananaliseannabananalise Posts: 1,913Registered Users
    If this was ignant white people bingo, we'd win three times over.

    Cleopatra was Egyptian, ya? She married a Roman true, but she was born in Egypt to an Egyptian pharaoh (who was Macedonian (?), but omg her mom was Egyptian.

    Doesn't even matter, she definitely wasn't one of the first African "queens". She was towards the end. History, sis. Can you do it?

    Santa isn't real so it doesn't matter.

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  • theliothelio Posts: 5,374Registered Users
    I cant believe the cleopatra card was pulled. really? yes her father was greek, but her mother? no most likely not. either way you cut it, cleo was not white.
  • theliothelio Posts: 5,374Registered Users
    When i hear african queen, i think of Queen Nzingha and Queen Amina. They were warrior queens!!!
  • AmnerisAmneris Posts: 15,117Registered Users
    Well, Liz Taylor is white, so clearly Cleopatra was white and looked just like that.

    Seriously, one of my pet peeves is white people who bring up that "there are white Africans." WE KNOW. They as a group are responsible for apartheid, taking all the good land, torturing the Mau Maus, various colonial crimes, setting up slave systems, bringing in missionaries to take away peoples' culture.... They're disproportionately living off the wealth of the continent and appropriating culture when they feel like it. (Note I am speaking as a whole, systemically, not about individuals.)

    When white people say "not all Africans are Black", what they are really saying is, our need to cling to white privilege is so great that we have to extend it even into the one place where there is a Black majority and we have to deny Black people even the right to claim the most ravaged and raped continent on earth as their own because we cannot stand there to be any thing in existence we do not get to impose our selves upon and control.
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  • theliothelio Posts: 5,374Registered Users
    Amneris wrote: »
    Well, Liz Taylor is white, so clearly Cleopatra was white and looked just like that.

    Seriously, one of my pet peeves is white people who bring up that "there are white Africans." WE KNOW. They as a group are responsible for apartheid, taking all the good land, torturing the Mau Maus, various colonial crimes, setting up slave systems, bringing in missionaries to take away peoples' culture.... They're disproportionately living off the wealth of the continent and appropriating culture when they feel like it. (Note I am speaking as a whole, systemically, not about individuals.)

    When white people say "not all Africans are Black", what they are really saying is, our need to cling to white privilege is so great that we have to extend it even into the one place where there is a Black majority and we have to deny Black people even the right to claim the most ravaged and raped continent on earth as their own because we cannot stand there to be any thing in existence we do not get to impose our selves upon and control.

    YES! YES! YES! YES!!!

    yes there are white people in africa, but don't forget how they got there, and why they went!
  • sew and sewsew and sew Posts: 3,443Registered Users
    An "unwise choice" is a huuuuge understatement omg.

    Brown/black/yellow face is never never okay.

    omggg white people when will you learn?

    I'm mostly expecting that the following will be perceived as whining, from someone in the entitled class by virtue of my white skin color..but I'll put it out here anyway:

    The "omggg white people when will you learn?" part makes me feel uncomfortable given the vibe this board values having. There's a desire to be politically correct, progressive minded, etc.

    Here, I know that if someone were to talk about a behavior and say "_____ (non-white) people when will you learn?" it would stand out. It would seem offensive. And that would be understandable.

    But the logic that seems to prevail here is that there's no respect-worthy reason for someone white to object to your phrasing.

    I don't understand why that is.
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  • murrrcatmurrrcat Posts: 9,596Registered Users
    thelio wrote: »
    When i hear african queen, i think of Queen Nzingha and Queen Amina. They were warrior queens!!!


    This is what I think, or when a man hits on a black woman and calls her a Nubian Princess or Queen (smDh).

    I never hear anyone going around just saying American Queen, or queen as a term for woman.
    So, when someone says African queen I'm not going to imagine some white woman. That's just reaching. Yes there are white people in Africa, NOBODY IS STUPID. Even Stupid people have seen mean girls enough to know, there are white people in Africa. get a life.



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  • AmnerisAmneris Posts: 15,117Registered Users
    An "unwise choice" is a huuuuge understatement omg.

    Brown/black/yellow face is never never okay.

    omggg white people when will you learn?

    I'm mostly expecting that the following will be perceived as whining, from someone in the entitled class by virtue of my white skin color..but I'll put it out here anyway:

    The "omggg white people when will you learn?" part makes me feel uncomfortable given the vibe this board values having. There's a desire to be politically correct, progressive minded, etc.

    Here, I know that if someone were to talk about a behavior and say "_____ (non-white) people when will you learn?" it would stand out. It would seem offensive. And that would be understandable.

    But the logic that seems to prevail here is that there's no respect-worthy reason for someone white to object to your phrasing.

    I don't understand why that is.

    She's clearly talking about the people who put on black/brown/yellow face or think it is OK, and these people are white. The comment in its context obviously refers to white people who think there are times blackface is OK. The concept of blackface was developed by white people and they're the ones using it. People who desire and try to be progressive-minded don't fall into this category and the remark wasn't directed at them.
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  • theliothelio Posts: 5,374Registered Users
    i take issue with the fact they put a white woman on the cover of a magazine called Africa Queen, then put her in black face. if they had just put a white women, i would had been a bit taken aback, but still what ever. but the fact they put her in black face!!! WTF!?!?!!?

    i'm not speaking for everybody, this is just my feelings. This is just wrong!

    i dont know what the editorail was going for. but they completely missed it! if they were celebrating africa women, they missed it by using an american model. if they were celebrating queens, they missed it by not dressing her as a queen. they obviously were going the the brown skinned african queens. how do i come to this? because they gave her black face!
  • sarah42sarah42 Posts: 4,034Registered Users
    thelio wrote: »
    When i hear african queen, i think of Queen Nzingha and Queen Amina. They were warrior queens!!!

    When I hear African Queen, I think of this song: 2Face - African Queen [Video] - YouTube

    I've been singing it in my head all day. :thumbup:
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  • theliothelio Posts: 5,374Registered Users
    this is how the models looks when not in black face, so no one can say she was just tanned1 no she is in black face!

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  • sew and sewsew and sew Posts: 3,443Registered Users
    Amneris wrote: »
    She's clearly talking about the people who put on black/brown/yellow face or think it is OK, and these people are white. The comment in its context obviously refers to white people who think there are times blackface is OK. The concept of blackface was developed by white people and they're the ones using it. People who desire and try to be progressive-minded don't fall into this category and the remark wasn't directed at them.

    If I was talking about a behavior carried out by some non-whites who could be identified with a more specific ethnic or racial label, and that was implicit, and I concluded with a last line of "_____ people when will you learn?" my clear context wouldn't be enough for that not to read a little off.
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  • annabananaliseannabananalise Posts: 1,913Registered Users
    Amneris wrote: »

    She's clearly talking about the people who put on black/brown/yellow face or think it is OK, and these people are white. The comment in its context obviously refers to white people who think there are times blackface is OK. The concept of blackface was developed by white people and they're the ones using it. People who desire and try to be progressive-minded don't fall into this category and the remark wasn't directed at them.

    This x infinity. I just about to write this but you beat me to it! Thanks haha
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  • AmnerisAmneris Posts: 15,117Registered Users
    Amneris wrote: »
    She's clearly talking about the people who put on black/brown/yellow face or think it is OK, and these people are white. The comment in its context obviously refers to white people who think there are times blackface is OK. The concept of blackface was developed by white people and they're the ones using it. People who desire and try to be progressive-minded don't fall into this category and the remark wasn't directed at them.

    If I was talking about a behavior carried out by some non-whites who could be identified with a more specific ethnic or racial label, and that was implicit, and I concluded with a last line of "_____ people when will you learn?" my clear context wouldn't be enough for that not to read a little off.

    Oh Lord. No. The two are not equivalent. "A behaviour carried out by some non-whites" is not the same as a systemic exhibiting of power and privilege to degrade and define and dehumanize others. There is no equivalent for "non-whites" because we don't hold power and privilege. Comments about "white people" who are the privileged minority and that refer to racist behaviour by white people aren't equal to whatever generalizing and stereotyping of people of colour you might be referring to.
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