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How to Get More Clumping?

For a week I was able to have thick clumps that turned into beautiful curls and now I can't figure out what I did. What do you guys do to get more clumping?

Right now, I just use Deva OneC, Angell and then some spray. I have ordered [buylink=http://www.curlmart.com/Jessicurl-Confident-Coils-Styling-Solution-p-116.html?utm_source=naturallycurly.com&utm_medium=text-link&utm_content=curltalk-post-text&utm_campaign=jessicurl-confident-coils-styling-solution]Jessicurl CCSS[/buylink] and RR, but it hasn't arrived yet.

Help!
3B with some 3a. Fell off but am now back on the CG bandwagon and looking for my HG products.

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  • SystemSystem Posts: 39,059 Administrator
    Many curlies get better clumping from cream stylers and thick gels, thinner clumps from mousses and thin gels. Protein-heavy stylers also tend toward thin clumps. There are exceptions, of course. Plopping and/or scrunching can help clumping. Some people (I am one) get thicker clumps by combing in the styling products and then scrunching the curl back in.

    As to why you are getting thinner clumps while using the same products as before, I don't know! I usually blame the weather or the need for a trim.
  • CurlyQTPieCurlyQTPie Posts: 447Registered Users
    Thank you for your reply. It could be the weather since it has been raining here for the past few days. I doubt I need a trim since I just got my "deva cut" less than two weeks ago!

    Hopefully the Jessicurl products will work for me and will help with more clumping!
    3B with some 3a. Fell off but am now back on the CG bandwagon and looking for my HG products.
  • medusahairmedusahair Posts: 3,515Registered Users
    Just technique will help a lot. No raking, scrunching products in and scrunching water out. Peach products help clumping for some of us we've noticed. Recoil helps as does curl cremes.

    I have to put my products in really wet hair or I get stringier curls although my natural pattern will by the end of the day form big clumps again
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  • sfisher323sfisher323 Posts: 537Registered Users
    medusahair wrote:
    Just technique will help a lot. No raking, scrunching products in and scrunching water out. Peach products help clumping for some of us we've noticed. Recoil helps as does curl cremes.

    I have to put my products in really wet hair or I get stringier curls although my natural pattern will by the end of the day form big clumps again

    Medusa - I remember reading that you just smooth your products over the bottom and then the canopy of your hair, no raking. Did I make that up? And you still get everything covered if you do that?

    CurlyQ - If you check out the various threads on L'Oreal Out of Bed in the product reviews section, there are also several of us who are getting good clumping with that product. Plus, it's a cheap drug store hair goodie. :)
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    PJ, currently using Suave citrus smoothie, B2B pom cond, GF C&S leave-in, AG re:coil, LOOB, HE SMU, Jessicurl HCC, CC, AIS
  • medusahairmedusahair Posts: 3,515Registered Users
    You're right smoothing then scrunching is my norm. Lately for volume I've been raking but if I want good clumps no raking at all.
    I use more product if I smooth and scrunch but if your hair is pretty wet the water helps distribute it. I smooth over my canopy and underneath and then scrunch and scrunch until I can feel my hair clump up. I always get bigger clumps that way. Less volume though so it's a trade off.
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  • FearnotsomuchFearnotsomuch Posts: 368Registered Users
    sorry to hijack but..

    If you smooth the products in, how do you make sure cover all of your hair?
    In DESPERATE need of a haircut.
  • SmallFrySmallFry Posts: 614Registered Users
    Ok, so I've finally discovered technique that works for me. First, No raking, this guarantees stringy curls. I section, smooth, and scrunch. Just that simple. I section from ear to ear, then another section from temple to temple then everything else. I smooth each section separately with product. Then after that, I scrunch like normal, then with MF towel. voila! All this gives me good coverage, nice clumping, bouncy curls.

    I've been having good hair days with this technniqe and Garnier S&S or C&S leave-in, Loreal Out of Bed, Garnier Soft Curl Cream, ORS Lock and Twist Gel. (not all at once)
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  • CurlyQTPieCurlyQTPie Posts: 447Registered Users
    This is going to be a really stupid question, but hey, I need help. LOL... How can you not rake at all?

    Here's my routine, I wet my hair. If I'm doing a co-wash then I do that and then add OneC and gently finger comb all my hair. I HAVE TO do this or I will end up with dreadlocks in a matter of days. Is that considered raking? I NEVER use a comb, fingers only.

    After that, I add more One C by smoothing on bottom and canopy and finger comb through hair while soaking wet and then I add Angell. I scrunch out extra water and product and then dry via scrunching with tee-shirt.

    Any suggestions on what I could be doing wrong?
    3B with some 3a. Fell off but am now back on the CG bandwagon and looking for my HG products.
  • medusahairmedusahair Posts: 3,515Registered Users
    YOu get the no raking down eventually. It's easiest if you grab sections like a ponytail and run your hand over it with the product smoothed on your hand and then move on to the next section.
    The water in your hair will help distribute it. After I've smoothed and scrunched I do sometimes look and see if the top of my hair looks nice and clumpy and if it doesn't I smooth some gel from root up. By then my hair is sticking up off my head just on top so that makes this easy. Generally though I don't need this. The scrunching I do really well and it does distribute the product. I can feel my hair clump up and I can feel it coated with the product. Once I feel that I can stop scrunching.

    All that being said there are some products that help clumping too, that Kiss my face upper management gel give me personally some real nice clumping. Peach conditioners, ones that actually have peach in it not just peach smell, do a good job of clumping. Aloe is my in leave in and that for me is curl enhacing and helps the clumping.

    Now if my hair has been shampooed and no oils are left that will cause no clumping action or very little if I'm not careful. Generally I use conditioner to cleans my hair or no poo but now and then I use poo of a sulfate or non sulfate to clarify and that will cause my hair to not clump till the ends.

    Most of this is trial and error. If you look at some fotki albums and find someone with similar hair to you and see how they do their routine it will give you a place to start experimenting
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  • CurlyQTPieCurlyQTPie Posts: 447Registered Users
    I have been looking for someone with my curl pattern, but haven't found anyone yet. :cry:

    I will try the no raking thing and see if that helps!

    Thanks!
    3B with some 3a. Fell off but am now back on the CG bandwagon and looking for my HG products.
  • sfisher323sfisher323 Posts: 537Registered Users
    CurlyQ - Not a stupid question at all! I've been struggling with the 'how' of no raking myself. I'm so used to raking my fingers through (at a minimum) to distribute product . . . I tried no raking today with mixed results.

    I'll need to try applying products to sections of my hair instead of trying to tackle it all at once.
    embracing my inner curl since late Nov 2006
    2b/3a (I think?)
    color-treated red/brown, medium-textured hair
    PJ, currently using Suave citrus smoothie, B2B pom cond, GF C&S leave-in, AG re:coil, LOOB, HE SMU, Jessicurl HCC, CC, AIS
  • echokittenechokitten Posts: 1,751Registered Users
    I have had my best hair day yet this morning, I CO washed with Suave Tropical Coconut, put a little of the same as a leave in on slightly soaking wet hair, scrunched in some (alot actually I have lotsa hair) of the Loreal Out of Bed Weightless Texturizer, scrunched in a bit of GF Sleek and Shine for extra canopy hold, plopped for about 30 min, then lightly shook out (still no touching). I rearranged abit of my crown for height, then let air dry the rest of the way. I usually check after about 30 min, if there are any frizzies I spray a little Awe Insp. Then NO MORE TOUCHING until after it dries.
    I cannot say enough about the Loreal OOB. It is really great stuff. Best clumping-non crunchy-shine prod I have ever used...pre and post CG.
    For $5 I think it is worth a try. If it doesn't work you can always trade it to a friend. It is actually marketed towards people with short, cropped hairstyles.
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  • DominicanaHeatDominicanaHeat Posts: 2,729Registered Users
    medusahair wrote:
    YOu get the no raking down eventually. It's easiest if you grab sections like a ponytail and run your hand over it with the product smoothed on your hand and then move on to the next section.
    The water in your hair will help distribute it. After I've smoothed and scrunched I do sometimes look and see if the top of my hair looks nice and clumpy and if it doesn't I smooth some gel from root up. By then my hair is sticking up off my head just on top so that makes this easy. Generally though I don't need this. The scrunching I do really well and it does distribute the product. I can feel my hair clump up and I can feel it coated with the product. Once I feel that I can stop scrunching.

    I'm going to try that myself on my next wash...too much frizz and stringy curls this winter. That may be a good way to avoid all of that.
    3a/3b thick coarse WL dark brown hair. CG/Mod CG since: 5/4/05. Current products: Right now my hair is in such a tizzy over this winter weather we are hving that nothing really seems to be working. I need a haircut.
  • CurlyQTPieCurlyQTPie Posts: 447Registered Users
    I think I am going to test out the no raking tomorrow. Maybe if I just rake through every 2 days that will help with clumping. Also, going to look for a conditioner with some peach.

    I've read the other thread about the L'Oreal Out of Bed, but it seems like it has a lot of stuff in it that would be hard to get off. Is that true?
    3B with some 3a. Fell off but am now back on the CG bandwagon and looking for my HG products.
  • SystemSystem Posts: 39,059 Administrator
    No, Out Of Bed should be okay for you.
  • CurlyQTPieCurlyQTPie Posts: 447Registered Users
    SuzenG,

    Thanks! I'm off to Walgreen's right now to get some of the coveted L'Oreal Out of Bed! :wink:
    3B with some 3a. Fell off but am now back on the CG bandwagon and looking for my HG products.
  • pitgirlpitgirl Posts: 162Registered Users
    My best clumps....

    After washing out condish, clip up wet hair.
    Out of shower, apply leave in upsidedown, comb through.
    Apply creme upsidedown and comb through.
    Scrunch upsidedown.
    Plop with mf turban for 30mins
    Take off upsidedown, rake, scrunch, flip.
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  • CURLYCATHYCURLYCATHY Posts: 21Registered Users
    How do you get the knots out if you don't comb or rake? I have very thick 3c hair, and it takes me a good couple of minutes of combing to get knots out before applying product. My hair also has been very frizzy and stringy lately.
  • CurlyQTPieCurlyQTPie Posts: 447Registered Users
    Well, this morning I tried the no raking thing halfway. I did my co-wash with VO5 Ripened Raspberries and that is when I did my raking. I rinsed completely and then followed with my condish and did not rake or comb through. Lighlty rinsed that and then I smoothed OneC into sections and followed with Angell with a drop of honey.

    So far, so good. My hair is not dry yet, but the top already looks less frizzy, although I still don't really have any clumping. I tried to get some LOOB yesterday, but the Walgreen's I went to today was fresh out, so hopefully the next one I go to today will have some.

    I think I'm going to continue with the no raking after I do my first rinse. There is no way I can completely not rake because my hair just gets too tangled, but probably limiting my raking is helpful.
    3B with some 3a. Fell off but am now back on the CG bandwagon and looking for my HG products.
  • medusahairmedusahair Posts: 3,515Registered Users
    Oops, fingercombing is done when I have my conditioner in for a few minutes. No raking in the products I meant.

    Loob ought to really help it gives great clumping. I swear part of it is the dry weather. It finally rained here so my hair is happy but I have to work harder for my hair to look decent on dry days. I guess I need to put a humidifyer in the house for those few times it gets dry here
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  • CurlyQTPieCurlyQTPie Posts: 447Registered Users
    I'll let you know how the LOOB works for me!

    It's rainy here, so I don't think the dry weather is making me frizz! LOL
    3B with some 3a. Fell off but am now back on the CG bandwagon and looking for my HG products.
  • MigsMigs Posts: 29Registered Users
    CURLYCATHY wrote:
    How do you get the knots out if you don't comb or rake? I have very thick 3c hair, and it takes me a good couple of minutes of combing to get knots out before applying product. My hair also has been very frizzy and stringy lately.

    I usually comb my hair while still in mid-shower with conditioner in it (I use OneC). I put on the condish and leave it while doing other shower activities, then comb through and rinse all out. Then I scrunch in leave in and then gel while still wet, then plopping.

    Recently I have been having problems clumping too. So for all you successfully clumping curlies-- do you smooth in product while upside down or right side up? I think I am going to try smoothing over scrunching, at least for the leave-in, as scrunching has been failing me of late.
    3b/3c. Thick thick thick coarse curls. Current routine: OneC, beleave in, arc angell or sometimes Suave smoothing gel w/aloe.
  • medusahairmedusahair Posts: 3,515Registered Users
    I do it upside down. I get better height and more clumping to the roots upside down
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  • lushaholiclushaholic Posts: 2,180Registered Users
    Upside down for me too, always.
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  • crazycurlyheadcrazycurlyhead Posts: 113Registered Users
    i've finally found my HG for clumping!!!

    this is so exciting, i've been using this routine for the past week and it hasn't failed (yet), and i'm finally loving my hair!
    so here's what i do, condition with B2B pomegrenate and leave most of it in, then i flip my hair upside down and smooth boots and LOOB, then also smooth some ABBA weightless , plop for 15 min and airdry,

    Seriously ladies i've struggled so much for clumps since staring cg but this is definatelly working for me, just to let you know i'm a 3B that always had stringy curls and a flot top but this routing gives me volume, curls at the root and clumping, i'm loving it!
    Very modified CG. Activate and B2B pomegranate Condish. Re:coil, Joiwhip, LOOB, HE set me up and orange bottle. Boots, cant' remember anymore.
    In a place where dry and burned straight hair is so common my wild spanish curls are my greatest weapon!
  • sfisher323sfisher323 Posts: 537Registered Users
    Yay for finding routines that work! :)
    embracing my inner curl since late Nov 2006
    2b/3a (I think?)
    color-treated red/brown, medium-textured hair
    PJ, currently using Suave citrus smoothie, B2B pom cond, GF C&S leave-in, AG re:coil, LOOB, HE SMU, Jessicurl HCC, CC, AIS
  • MigsMigs Posts: 29Registered Users
    Well I didn't get a chance to read the replies before I tried it, so I tried smoothing right-side-up rather than upside down. But it still worked great! I will never go back to scrunching-- it is smoothing all the way for me. My hair looked the best it's EVER looked! I will try it upside down next time and see if there could possibly be any room for improvement. Thanks for all the tips, curlies!
    3b/3c. Thick thick thick coarse curls. Current routine: OneC, beleave in, arc angell or sometimes Suave smoothing gel w/aloe.