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Should I get a BKT? (IMAGES INCLUDED)

Hi everyone, I made a post under "General discussion about curly hair" and it was called "Tired of Hair..Should I Relax? I mentioned that I have very thick/curly hair and I like the straight look so I want to permanently relax it. In the images below, my hair was wet and I put gel only and let it air dry (it is about 2b/c). I don't know much about relaxers so I wanted people's opinions on whether I am a good candidate for relaxing. Everyone advised me to stay away from a relaxer and some suggested a keratin treatment.

I decided not to relax my hair and look into a kerain treatment instead. Sadly, I can't afford a keratin treatment done at a salon so I thought about doing it at home. I was looking into the keratin service forums on this site and a lot of people mentioned they had success with the QOD keratin formula.

If I want relatively straight hair with no frizz after air drying my hair, what type of QOD should I use? (I realized that there are several types like the QOD organiq, QOD gold so it's confusing). Just to add, I want to highlight my hair a light brown/caramel colour.

Also, what is the best place to buy the QOD?

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  • CupcakeCupcake Posts: 68Registered Users
    OP, your hair is beautiful. Since you have such a loose wave/curl pattern I would definitely forgo a relaxer.

    I am 3c mostly and I love QOD Organiq. Before you use keratin treatments I think you should try some of the keratin styling creams like Coppola Keratin Infusion or Keratin Express Daily Keratin.

    I've heard that Design Essentials has a system that is not as harsh as a keratin treatment but it allows you to go between your natural texture and straight hair without altering your curl pattern.

    Here's a video:Videos | Design Essentials
  • MissJennaMissJenna Posts: 28Registered Users
    Since it is my first time dealing with a keratin treatment I thought about buying either the Organix bkt or Nunaat bkt. But I read reviews on these 2 treatments and some people mentioned that the drugstore kits did not do much for their hair.

    I am low on money so I cannot afford to experiment with several products. I want to invest my money into something that most people had success.
  • HoneycurlsHoneycurls Posts: 1,889Registered Users
    Your curls are GORGEOUS...the kind of hair mine wants to be when it grows up.

    I wouldn't do anything to alter those curls. BKT is fantastic, though. You have coarse, healthy looking hair, so the relaxation may not be permanent, but be aware that it often is.

    I've been using QOD's original formula products for years. I found the Organiq Gold to be less effective on my 3c curls, and I didn't like the smell.

    I'm just finishing up my QOD Gold Original formula (no longer available) and will be buying the Kerapremium, which is the original Max formula. If you're concerned about formaldehyde exposure, go with one of the Organiq formulas.

    I wear my hair curly, so I can't speak to the success of these products for someone who wants to wear it straight.
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  • MissJennaMissJenna Posts: 28Registered Users
    I am not so concerned with the formaldehyde so I am willing to use treatments with formaldehyde.

    I would rather have my hair turn out straight but I guess it would be OK if it was a bit wavy (1c-2a). Most importanly, I do want to keep the frizz at bay. My hair gets VERY frizzy when it's humid/rainy. Even if I have lots of gel in my hair, it still puffs up and frizzes.

    I was browsing the keratin4u website and looked at the keratin treatments. If I want a strong treatment then I guess I will go with the QOD Kerapremium.

    With the 33 oz bottle, and considering my hair is thick and is bra length, approximately how many FULL head applications will I have?
  • CurlythreecCurlythreec Posts: 6Registered Users
    Missjenna your hair is lovely! I love the thickness. Im also interested in trying kerapremium.

    Honeycurls I have fine 3c/3b hair which I would like to loosen up maybe to 3a2c..do you think I should get kerapremium or kerapremium liss?...Im not after a permanent change I just want to loosen up my curls..your advice is much appreciated!
  • CurlythreecCurlythreec Posts: 6Registered Users
    Cupcake wrote: »
    OP, your hair is beautiful. Since you have such a loose wave/curl pattern I would definitely forgo a relaxer.

    I am 3c mostly and I love QOD Organiq. Before you use keratin treatments I think you should try some of the keratin styling creams like Coppola Keratin Infusion or Keratin Express Daily Keratin.

    I've heard that Design Essentials has a system that is not as harsh as a keratin treatment but it allows you to go between your natural texture and straight hair without altering your curl pattern.

    Here's a video:Videos | Design Essentials

    Hi Cupcake,

    Im also a 3c. Im just wondering if qod organique loosened up your curls or not? I want to loosen up my 3c/3b to 3a/2c but I dont want it to be permanent I just want a bit of a change...is qod organque worth it or should I try kerapremium?
  • CupcakeCupcake Posts: 68Registered Users
    Curlytgreec,

    The technique I use with QOD Organiq to keep my curls is to do no more than three passes at about 400 degrees and rinse immediately after (you can rinse after flatironing or keep it in for 48 hours) also only touch up new growth instead of letting the treatments build. It helps to space the treatments out every 3-4 months or more. My hair would stay nice and smooth in both FL and Texas humidity.

    Kerapremium and other treatments with formaldehyde always made my hair bone straight. I will forever love QOD Orqaniq. I will post a photo when I get home. :)

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  • CurlythreecCurlythreec Posts: 6Registered Users
    Cupcake wrote: »
    Curlytgreec,

    The technique I use with QOD Organiq to keep my curls is to do no more than three passes at about 400 degrees and rinse immediately after (you can rinse after flatironing or keep it in for 48 hours) also only touch up new growth instead of letting the treatments build. It helps to space the treatments out every 3-4 months or more. My hair would stay nice and smooth in both FL and Texas humidity.

    Kerapremium and other treatments with formaldehyde always made my hair bone straight. I will forever love QOD Orqaniq. I will post a photo when I get home. :)

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    thanks so much for your quick reply! Yeah I dont want bone straight hair ...I just want a looser curl pattern..so qod organiq will give me that? also is kerapremium Lissage the same as qod organiq? both aldehyde free?
  • HoneycurlsHoneycurls Posts: 1,889Registered Users
    MissJenna wrote: »
    I am not so concerned with the formaldehyde so I am willing to use treatments with formaldehyde.

    I would rather have my hair turn out straight but I guess it would be OK if it was a bit wavy (1c-2a). Most importanly, I do want to keep the frizz at bay. My hair gets VERY frizzy when it's humid/rainy. Even if I have lots of gel in my hair, it still puffs up and frizzes.

    I was browsing the keratin4u website and looked at the keratin treatments. If I want a strong treatment then I guess I will go with the QOD Kerapremium.

    With the 33 oz bottle, and considering my hair is thick and is bra length, approximately how many FULL head applications will I have?

    That bottle should last you 18 months or more...I can't answer for sure because I haven't done full-head applications for so long. My 33 oz bottle of Gold lasted for nearly 3 years, with me doing primarily root applications every 5-8 weeks. I have dense, waist-length hair, but it's baby fine, so it doesn't appear to be as thick as yours. You shouldn't need to keep re-doing your hair over and over after a point...you should be able to get by with root applications. I did 4 back-to-back full-head applications in the beginning to get my curl pattern where I wanted it.

    I think Kerapremium would be your best bet. Organiq Gold did almost nothing for my hair except make it soft, which is an unwanted side effect of BKT for fine hair. I was disappointed, and I was stuck with a 33 oz bottle until I was able to sell it.

    If you'd be interested in splitting the bottle of Kerapremium, let me know.
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  • HoneycurlsHoneycurls Posts: 1,889Registered Users
    Missjenna your hair is lovely! I love the thickness. Im also interested in trying kerapremium.

    Honeycurls I have fine 3c/3b hair which I would like to loosen up maybe to 3a2c..do you think I should get kerapremium or kerapremium liss?...Im not after a permanent change I just want to loosen up my curls..your advice is much appreciated!

    I don't know what "liss" is, but Kerapremium is the original Max formula, and that's what I started with. If your hair is fine, the curl relaxation will likely be permanent, at least to some degree.

    None of the BKT formulas has left me with straight hair. My initial application was a total disappointment--there was almost no curl relaxation. I was still a strong 3c after the first app, so I did it again immediately, and the curl relaxed to about a 3b. Still not satisfied, I waited 2 weeks and did it again, resulting in 2c/3a curls. Satisfied, I waited a month, then the curl seemed to be returning, so I did another full-head application, and the resulting curl pattern was about a 2a/b--almost too straight.

    It's really hard to know exactly how your hair will react. There are many contributing factors, but the primary determinants seem to be hair texture (fine vs. coarse) and curl tightness.

    The only thing I can say with any certainty is that I love my hair. I have struggled with my hair my entire life. I don't wear my hair straight, but if I want it straight, it takes almost no effort anymore.
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  • MissJennaMissJenna Posts: 28Registered Users
    Thank you so much for the information Honeycurls. If I have dandruff and I do have to use head&shoulders shampoo about twice a month, will that strip away the keratin?

    Also, if my flat iron only goes up to 410 degrees, should I buy one that goes up to 450 degrees?
  • HoneycurlsHoneycurls Posts: 1,889Registered Users
    MissJenna wrote: »
    Thank you so much for the information Honeycurls. If I have dandruff and I do have to use head&shoulders shampoo about twice a month, will that strip away the keratin?

    Also, if my flat iron only goes up to 410 degrees, should I buy one that goes up to 450 degrees?

    I posted somewhere about shampoos...the keratin isn't what keeps your hair relaxed, so stripping it away doesn't really do much. I've used harsh clarifying shampoos, including a shampoo that has sea salt crystals in it--you know, the alleged kryptonite to BKTs?--my only problem with that particular shampoo was the high oil content. I don't know the exact chemistry behind how BKT relaxes the curl, but my nearly 4-yr experience has taught me that using regular sulfate-based shampoos won't cause your curls to revert. The BKT formula contains silicone, and I believe this contributes greatly to the silky and shiny post-BKT hair, which sulfate-based shampoos will definitely wash away. There's no way around it...you're going to have to experiment, and you will have your own unique experience with the BKT.

    That said, I don't use sulfate shampoos on a regular basis. I have used them several times in close succession even, and my hair is always fine. I used a harsh clarifying shampoo just the other day, and it was the best hair day I'd had in awhile. Perhaps you could just concentrate on keeping the dandruff shampoo on your scalp...perhaps coat the hair shaft with conditioner before you apply the dandruff shampoo to your scalp.

    I don't know how absolutely important that 450˚ is to the process. For all I know, my iron doesn't truly reach that, regardless what the dial says. Try it and see what happens. If you're not satisfied with the result, consider buying a more powerful iron. Personally, I think it's probably fine...just make sure to do several passes and get that "smoke" rolling.

    Good luck!
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  • MissJennaMissJenna Posts: 28Registered Users
    Thank you so much for your help Honeycurls. You're right, the only way I know how my hair will react is if I try it on my own. I am really leaning towards getting a keratin treatment since I am always in a constant battle with my hair even when I was a little girl. If this keratin treatment is successful, it will make my life so much easier and will save me so much time when getting ready.

    I never thought about coating my hair with conditioner while I wash with a harsh shampoo. Thank you so much for that idea :)
  • HoneycurlsHoneycurls Posts: 1,889Registered Users
    MissJenna wrote: »
    Thank you so much for your help Honeycurls. You're right, the only way I know how my hair will react is if I try it on my own. I am really leaning towards getting a keratin treatment since I am always in a constant battle with my hair even when I was a little girl. If this keratin treatment is successful, it will make my life so much easier and will save me so much time when getting ready.

    I never thought about coating my hair with conditioner while I wash with a harsh shampoo. Thank you so much for that idea :)

    You're very welcome. I always say that if I'd had BKT from childhood or even high school, I'd probably be president now, 'cause, yes, my hair hindered me THAT much. Rather, I allowed my hair to hinder me, I guess most would say.

    Keep me updated! I'll be pulling for you! Let me know if you're interested in the other half of my Kerapremium bottle. I'm going to buy the bottle whether someone shares it with me or not, so it'll be here. Getting ready to do another root touchup, which will probably kill the remainder of my Gold. Then, I'll be buying in a month or so.
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  • MissJennaMissJenna Posts: 28Registered Users
    I am going to cut and highlight my hair probably in mid March and then I will bkt with the kerapremuim. I will update and post some pictures for sure!

    Honeycurls, is the 33 oz too much product and that is why you want to split it?
  • MissJennaMissJenna Posts: 28Registered Users
    i just remembered that I have a very cheap flat iron that is worn out so I have to buy a new flat iron which goes up to 450 F in order to do the bkt. I know that you can use less heat when you bkt but I want to use 450 F.

    Can anyone recommend me a great flat iron they use for the bkt? Thank you!
  • HoneycurlsHoneycurls Posts: 1,889Registered Users
    MissJenna wrote: »
    I am going to cut and highlight my hair probably in mid March and then I will bkt with the kerapremuim. I will update and post some pictures for sure!

    Honeycurls, is the 33 oz too much product and that is why you want to split it?

    Yeah, it is because I only do my roots now. My last bottle of Gold lasted nearly 3 years, and that was using it for full-head applications in the beginning. Right now cutting costs is priority, even though I'd eventually use an entire 33 oz. bottle. They have expiration dates, though I use that only as a guideline.

    Half a bottle would last me for a good 2 years.
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  • MissJennaMissJenna Posts: 28Registered Users
    Hi Honeycurls, if I split the bottle with anyone, I am worried that I will not receive 100% of the original product. How do I trust someone if I am splitting it with them?

    Also, if I purchase the kerapremium, what is the expiration date on the bottle?
  • HoneycurlsHoneycurls Posts: 1,889Registered Users
    MissJenna wrote: »
    Hi Honeycurls, if I split the bottle with anyone, I am worried that I will not receive 100% of the original product. How do I trust someone if I am splitting it with them?

    Also, if I purchase the kerapremium, what is the expiration date on the bottle?

    Lol, well, if by anyone/someone, you mean me, you'd be taking a leap of faith. You can check the Swap forum...I've made some swaps there, and my name isn't on the complaint list. I have a 100% Ebay feedback rating. I'd measure out the solution by weight...I have a food scale.

    I'm trustworthy. :mrgreen: As for buying from "anyone/someone" else...well, I can only speak for myself. :dontknow:

    Your other option is to buy it yourself and do the splitting and shipping on your end...which would then require "anyone/someone" else to take the leap of faith in you.

    As for the exp date...I won't know until I see the bottle. I bought my current bottle of Gold in early 2010, and it is set to expire in Oct. 2013. I don't know its production date, though.
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  • MissJennaMissJenna Posts: 28Registered Users
    I am really set on buying the full 33 oz bottle. Is that a bad decision if it is my first time trying the QOD kerapremium?
  • HoneycurlsHoneycurls Posts: 1,889Registered Users
    MissJenna wrote: »
    I am really set on buying the full 33 oz bottle. Is that a bad decision if it is my first time trying the QOD kerapremium?

    Do you really have to ask this ^^ question? :goofy: LOL

    If you've never tried a certain food and aren't sure you'll like it, would you buy a huge $250 carton of it just to taste it?

    I'll tell you this...if you buy the big one and then decide you don't like it...it might be tough recouping your losses. It took me forever to sell my almost-full bottle of Organiq Gold. I tried both Craigslist and here. I finally sold it here--she got a great deal.

    In your case, I'm not even suggesting you go in with me now...I'm saying that IF you try it and then decide you like it but don't want to/can't buy the full liter bottle, I'm looking to split one if you're interested. That's all. No pressure. I'm not :money: or :evil5: I'm going to buy one whether or not someone splits it with me.
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  • nerrywodanerrywoda Posts: 1Registered Users
    Hi ladies ,
    I bought the Kerapremium but i heard it turns coloured hair into orange , have you got any idea about it ? i hair few gray hairs and i'am intended to dye them brown
  • HoneycurlsHoneycurls Posts: 1,889Registered Users
    nerrywoda wrote: »
    Hi ladies ,
    I bought the Kerapremium but i heard it turns coloured hair into orange , have you got any idea about it ? i hair few gray hairs and i'am intended to dye them brown

    I've never heard anything like that. I have highlights and I also use henna products. Never had any problems with color. I haven't used KP specifically, but I've used original Max, original Gold, and Organiq Gold.
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  • treveltrevel Posts: 13Registered Users
    Honeycurls wrote: »
    nerrywoda wrote: »
    Hi ladies ,
    I bought the Kerapremium but i heard it turns coloured hair into orange , have you got any idea about it ? i hair few gray hairs and i'am intended to dye them brown

    I've never heard anything like that. I have highlights and I also use henna products. Never had any problems with color. I haven't used KP specifically, but I've used original Max, original Gold, and Organiq Gold.

    Are you still going to get the kerapremium Honeycurls? I'd like to split a bottle
  • HoneycurlsHoneycurls Posts: 1,889Registered Users
    trevel wrote: »
    Honeycurls wrote: »
    nerrywoda wrote: »
    Hi ladies ,
    I bought the Kerapremium but i heard it turns coloured hair into orange , have you got any idea about it ? i hair few gray hairs and i'am intended to dye them brown

    I've never heard anything like that. I have highlights and I also use henna products. Never had any problems with color. I haven't used KP specifically, but I've used original Max, original Gold, and Organiq Gold.

    Are you still going to get the kerapremium Honeycurls? I'd like to split a bottle

    I'm not sure...I'm torn after hearing AphroDiva's experience. I don't suppose I have any other choice, though.

    How soon do you need a decision? 'Cuz, I still won't need a new bottle for about 2 more months.
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  • HoneycurlsHoneycurls Posts: 1,889Registered Users
    Trevel, I'm waiting for a sample of the KP to arrive, and then I'll use it on my hair and see how it works. My contact at QOD America tells me that it is exactly the same formula as the original Max. I'm wondering if AphroDiva became spoiled by how fantastically the Gold formula worked--I know I did--and was simply disappointed that KP doesn't live up to that expectation. I REALLY HATE that original Gold was discontinued.

    I'll post my KP result here as soon as I use it. I still need to know how soon you're going to be ready to purchase, unless you're just going to purchase it anyway and then I'll buy half from you if I like it.

    Let me know how you want to proceed.
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  • HoneycurlsHoneycurls Posts: 1,889Registered Users
    trevel...your name was familiar to me, and now I remember...you're the person who was supposedly interested in my Gold Organiq a year ago, but then never responded after telling me you wanted to buy it. Luckily, I did ultimately sell it to a serious buyer.

    I won't be holding my breath waiting to hear from you again. If you're serious...we can do the deal, but it's first come, first served.
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