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How can I get LESS clumping?

See normally clumping would be good except my hair is very fine so I look like I have half the hair I really do. I want my curls/waves to separate and have more volume. I have a big head so flat hair looks bad on me :(
Medium texture, normal porosity, normal elasticity :shock:
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  • sKorpio1190sKorpio1190 Posts: 1,862Registered Users
    Would it help if I stop plopping?
    Medium texture, normal porosity, normal elasticity :shock:
  • sdkittysdkitty Posts: 358Registered Users
    for me, less product would make for less clumping. If I didn't use any product, my hair would be a big bush
  • EricachristinaEricachristina Posts: 496Registered Users
    What I do on the days I don't want clumping is when I'm done co washing in the shower and I've rinsed the conditioner out I take my wide tooth comb and while my hair is under the water I comb each half of my hair a few times. Combing under the water helps eliminate any frizz as opposed to trying to separate the curls after you get out of the shower and the combing helps separate and prevent a lot of clumping. Then I just apply my products when I get out as usual.
  • anonymous_133347anonymous_133347 Posts: 1,426Registered Users
    Skorpio, try raking your products (leave in, gel, what have you) in then scrunching up. You get more even product distribution that way and still good curl formation. (At least I do. They're just skinnier curls.) The only problem with me is I hate doing this because I have voluminous thick-stranded hair. Clumps are the only thing that keep me from looking like Side Show Bob. But if I had finer hair, I imagine this technique would work better. :toothy6:
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    CG since Nov. 2012

    Poos: SM Moisture Retention + Yucca Baobab, TJ's Tea Tree Tingle
    Condish: TJ 'sTea Tree Tingle*, SM Moisture Retention* + Curl & Shine + Yucca Baobab, Yes to Blueberries
    Stylers: KCKT*, SM Curl Enhancing Smoothie* + Curl & Style Milk*, KCCC*, FSG*, CJ Pattern Pusha, Curl Keeper
    Sealers: Jojoba* or Grapeseed* oil

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  • sKorpio1190sKorpio1190 Posts: 1,862Registered Users
    I do rake my products and then scrunch. I'm wondering if the plopping isn't helping though. I'll have to experiment without plopping and doing my usual raking and scrunching and see how it goes. :-/
    Medium texture, normal porosity, normal elasticity :shock:
  • DarbyDarby Posts: 1,025Registered Users
    I have the same problem! My hair is so fine and thin - I want volume.
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    Natural hair color - dark brunette
    Fine, thinish hair/3a, 3b
  • sKorpio1190sKorpio1190 Posts: 1,862Registered Users
    it sucks! :crybaby:
    Medium texture, normal porosity, normal elasticity :shock:
  • Corrina777Corrina777 Posts: 3,193Registered Users
    I've found thinner gels tend to give me smaller clumps. I've had good results getting thinner clumps with Biotera Gel, GVP Liquid Sculpting Gel, AG Curl Liquid Effects Gel, and Curly Sexy Hair Liquid Curling Gel (all CG), as well as Ouidad Climate Control Gel (not CG). If you're not strict CG, I've also heard some people anecdotally say that silicone styling products also seem to give them thinner clumps. Since I pretty much always use thin gels now I can't really say if I see a difference with silicones or not.
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    CLEANSE: CJ Daily Fix, DevaCare No-Poo, CHS Treatment Shampoo
    RO: SS Caitlin's Conditioner, CJ Beauticurls Strengthening
    LI: SS Repairing Protein Treatment, CHS Silk Leave-In
    STYLE: Re:Coil, Curl Keeper, Deva Ultra Defining Gel, Curls Rock Amplifier,Sweet Curls Elixirs Okra Gel and Hard Hold Gel, SS Curl Enhancing Jelly and Firm Hold Gel
  • sKorpio1190sKorpio1190 Posts: 1,862Registered Users
    Thanks! I might look into the AG one. I'm not CG lol I just use what works
    Medium texture, normal porosity, normal elasticity :shock:
  • KorkscrewKorkscrew Posts: 1,834Registered Users
    What you're describing fits me too. Seems all I practically have to do is think about ringlets or clumping and it happens LOL. Raking definitely encourages extreme clumping for me! It basically just encourages larger sections of hair to stick together. Instead you might want to use a comb or Denman brush - something with plenty of teeth or bristles that are close together IMO.

    Also, I agree about using a less heavy gel, or less gel. Also, using product with less "slip" may help too. Anything w/slip makes me clump like crazy. Things containing pectin and marshmallow root seem to create super-clumps for me also (KCCC makes my hair look like waves of taffy intermingled with telephone cord-like curls). ... Anything that is meant to "set" the hair in place makes it wind into each other a lot unless I use it in moderation. But it's actually a look I don't mind and I just pull some of the curls apart later.
  • Corrina777Corrina777 Posts: 3,193Registered Users
    Korkscrew wrote: »
    What you're describing fits me too. Seems all I practically have to do is think about ringlets or clumping and it happens LOL. Raking definitely encourages extreme clumping for me! It basically just encourages larger sections of hair to stick together. Instead you might want to use a comb or Denman brush - something with plenty of teeth or bristles that are close together IMO.

    Also, I agree about using a less heavy gel, or less gel. Also, using product with less "slip" may help too. Anything w/slip makes me clump like crazy. Things containing pectin and marshmallow root seem to create super-clumps for me also (KCCC makes my hair look like waves of taffy intermingled with telephone cord-like curls). ... Anything that is meant to "set" the hair in place makes it wind into each other a lot unless I use it in moderation. But it's actually a look I don't mind and I just pull some of the curls apart later.

    Surprisingly, I found that using a denman brush gave me the opposite result. I ended up with much thicker clumps than when I didn't use it. A regular wide tooth comb seemed to work better for me.
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    Modified CG since 11/5/11
    CLEANSE: CJ Daily Fix, DevaCare No-Poo, CHS Treatment Shampoo
    RO: SS Caitlin's Conditioner, CJ Beauticurls Strengthening
    LI: SS Repairing Protein Treatment, CHS Silk Leave-In
    STYLE: Re:Coil, Curl Keeper, Deva Ultra Defining Gel, Curls Rock Amplifier,Sweet Curls Elixirs Okra Gel and Hard Hold Gel, SS Curl Enhancing Jelly and Firm Hold Gel
  • longlivecurlslonglivecurls Posts: 271Registered Users
    I've notice that when I squeeze out most of the water before I scrunch in my styling products I get thinner clumps. Water makes my hair clump nicely so the less soaked my hair is the smaller the clumps are. Try after your LI scrunching your hair with a MF towel or T-shirt till its wet but not soaking wet and then scrunching in the gel or mousse.
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  • anonymous_133347anonymous_133347 Posts: 1,426Registered Users
    skorpio, if you ever find anyone who can help you out in the haircut department, I do think layers might help with the clumping. When hair is all one length, it tends to stick together and wind around itself more, forming larger clumps. When you have different lengths it's more piecey and you have more individual clumps and volume. It might not be the products or the method so much, but that your hair just needs shaping.
    3A - C, HP, ME, HD. (Coarse, High Porosity, Medium Elasticity, High Density.)

    CG since Nov. 2012

    Poos: SM Moisture Retention + Yucca Baobab, TJ's Tea Tree Tingle
    Condish: TJ 'sTea Tree Tingle*, SM Moisture Retention* + Curl & Shine + Yucca Baobab, Yes to Blueberries
    Stylers: KCKT*, SM Curl Enhancing Smoothie* + Curl & Style Milk*, KCCC*, FSG*, CJ Pattern Pusha, Curl Keeper
    Sealers: Jojoba* or Grapeseed* oil

    * = HG

  • Jas76Jas76 Posts: 2,283Registered Users
    I've notice that when I squeeze out most of the water before I scrunch in my styling products I get thinner clumps. Water makes my hair clump nicely so the less soaked my hair is the smaller the clumps are. Try after your LI scrunching your hair with a MF towel or T-shirt till its wet but not soaking wet and then scrunching in the gel or mousse.

    Yep! Was going to suggest this! The "wetter" your hair, the more clumping. So try towel scrunching it first, the. Apply products.

    The other thing you can try is waiting until it's dry, flipping your head over, slide your fingers into you hair along the scalp and loosen by shaking your hands back and forth. I do this at the end of the day sometimes if my hair is too ringlet-y in places.
    2c/3a/3b, Fine/med, Dense, high porous, & normal elas.

    Lo-poo - Renpure Keratin, SMR, Giovanni SaS
    clarifying - mix Johnson's H2T with low poo
    Co-wash - Suave Nats. clar. or coco.
    RO - GVPCB, Ion Eff. Care, TN.
    LI - SMR, Cure Care, or RO
    Seal - MO or Jojoba
    DT - + honey, ACV, & EVOO to SM masque & GVPCB
    PT - Gelatin!, CNPF
    Styling - FSG, AIF, BRHG, LALS/PS, GF curl spray gel, SM Souffle/Smoothie, LOOB
    Oils - MO!, EVOO, jojoba, GSO, SM Elixer, EVCO, VO5 Hairdressing
  • JulesonlineJulesonline Posts: 444Registered Users
    Great thread! I just posted about how my lowest layer in the back clumps into like 4-5 ringlets with spaces between them. Makes my hair look straggly. 😟
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    3A/B? A corkicelli mix of ringlets, spirals, helixes & s-shaped curls
    Medium-fine texture, normal porosity, normal elasticity


    Summer: pink; Winter: Blue; Year Round: green
    Lo-Poo:Giovanni SAS sulfate free poo, L'Oreal Evercream CC
    Co-wash: TNRV, VO5 Vanilla Mint Tea, TNNM
    RO/LI:
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  • JulesonlineJulesonline Posts: 444Registered Users
    Here is a pic showing how bad it is:

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    JulesOnline
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    3A/B? A corkicelli mix of ringlets, spirals, helixes & s-shaped curls
    Medium-fine texture, normal porosity, normal elasticity


    Summer: pink; Winter: Blue; Year Round: green
    Lo-Poo:Giovanni SAS sulfate free poo, L'Oreal Evercream CC
    Co-wash: TNRV, VO5 Vanilla Mint Tea, TNNM
    RO/LI:
    YTC, Nexxus Hydra-light w/ CNPF GVPCB, Biolage CB, TNNM, Giovanni SAS
    Styler: KCCC FSG, BRHG, LALSG



  • Jas76Jas76 Posts: 2,283Registered Users
    Idk, Jules... Having a hard time feeling bad for you there... Lol!
    2c/3a/3b, Fine/med, Dense, high porous, & normal elas.

    Lo-poo - Renpure Keratin, SMR, Giovanni SaS
    clarifying - mix Johnson's H2T with low poo
    Co-wash - Suave Nats. clar. or coco.
    RO - GVPCB, Ion Eff. Care, TN.
    LI - SMR, Cure Care, or RO
    Seal - MO or Jojoba
    DT - + honey, ACV, & EVOO to SM masque & GVPCB
    PT - Gelatin!, CNPF
    Styling - FSG, AIF, BRHG, LALS/PS, GF curl spray gel, SM Souffle/Smoothie, LOOB
    Oils - MO!, EVOO, jojoba, GSO, SM Elixer, EVCO, VO5 Hairdressing
  • JulesonlineJulesonline Posts: 444Registered Users
    Jas76 wrote: »
    Idk, Jules... Having a hard time feeling bad for you there... Lol!

    You don't think it looks straggly? Is that even a word? LOL
    JulesOnline
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
    3A/B? A corkicelli mix of ringlets, spirals, helixes & s-shaped curls
    Medium-fine texture, normal porosity, normal elasticity


    Summer: pink; Winter: Blue; Year Round: green
    Lo-Poo:Giovanni SAS sulfate free poo, L'Oreal Evercream CC
    Co-wash: TNRV, VO5 Vanilla Mint Tea, TNNM
    RO/LI:
    YTC, Nexxus Hydra-light w/ CNPF GVPCB, Biolage CB, TNNM, Giovanni SAS
    Styler: KCCC FSG, BRHG, LALSG



  • KorkscrewKorkscrew Posts: 1,834Registered Users
    dusalocks wrote: »
    skorpio, if you ever find anyone who can help you out in the haircut department, I do think layers might help with the clumping. When hair is all one length, it tends to stick together and wind around itself more, forming larger clumps. When you have different lengths it's more piecey and you have more individual clumps and volume. It might not be the products or the method so much, but that your hair just needs shaping.

    See now the answer too clumping is beginning to look somewhat subjective lol. Layers don't seem to affect clumping for me anymore than when my hair was all one length.
  • KorkscrewKorkscrew Posts: 1,834Registered Users
    [QUOTE=Corrina777;2121050Surprisingly, I found that using a denman brush gave me the opposite result. I ended up with much thicker clumps than when I didn't use it. A regular wide tooth comb seemed to work better for me.[/QUOTE]

    Interesting! Once again, you guys have me thinking the "formula" to clumping is a little elusive. But I still think amount of "slip" in moisturizers/gels and overall moisture used have something to do with it :blob4:
  • Jas76Jas76 Posts: 2,283Registered Users
    Jas76 wrote: »
    Idk, Jules... Having a hard time feeling bad for you there... Lol!

    You don't think it looks straggly? Is that even a word? LOL

    Lol! No! I think your hair is lovely!!

    Ad straggly - is that stringy+scraggly? Lol! You hair looks neither!
    2c/3a/3b, Fine/med, Dense, high porous, & normal elas.

    Lo-poo - Renpure Keratin, SMR, Giovanni SaS
    clarifying - mix Johnson's H2T with low poo
    Co-wash - Suave Nats. clar. or coco.
    RO - GVPCB, Ion Eff. Care, TN.
    LI - SMR, Cure Care, or RO
    Seal - MO or Jojoba
    DT - + honey, ACV, & EVOO to SM masque & GVPCB
    PT - Gelatin!, CNPF
    Styling - FSG, AIF, BRHG, LALS/PS, GF curl spray gel, SM Souffle/Smoothie, LOOB
    Oils - MO!, EVOO, jojoba, GSO, SM Elixer, EVCO, VO5 Hairdressing
  • sKorpio1190sKorpio1190 Posts: 1,862Registered Users
    dusalocks wrote: »
    skorpio, if you ever find anyone who can help you out in the haircut department, I do think layers might help with the clumping. When hair is all one length, it tends to stick together and wind around itself more, forming larger clumps. When you have different lengths it's more piecey and you have more individual clumps and volume. It might not be the products or the method so much, but that your hair just needs shaping.

    I think that could be it too. Because despite changing methods, products, etc my hair just all clumps together and sits there. It has no life to it and looks like a mop to me :-/ I'm gonna see if I can find someone to cut it
    Medium texture, normal porosity, normal elasticity :shock:
  • Wurly_GirlWurly_Girl Posts: 41Registered Users
    Same problem here (fine density).
    When i want more voluminous hair:
    I wash hair as usual, squeeze excess of water then put a towel on my hair for 10-15min.
    Then i comb it with a wide toothed comb and style as usual.
    I blow dry with diffuser.
    This routine give me a good volume but less definition and medium frizz.

    When i want clumps:
    I wash hair as usual, fingercomb when hair is condish-full.
    I rinse, squeeze excess of water then put a towel on my hair for 10-15min.
    I style as usual and then i diffuse following the pixie method.
    This way i achieve a good amount of clumps and minimum to none frizz.
    Curl Pattern: 2c-3a
    Porosity: medium
    Density: thin
    Width: fine
    Lenght: short (jaw-lenght)
    2013 haircut: 1/25/2013; 07/04/2013

    Routine: modified CG
    CW: cone free and protein free conditioners
    DT: homemade sheabutter hair creme /Hydraderm sheabutter hair mask+coconut oil+lecitin
    Styling before diffusing FSG with hydrolized keratin
    Once a month (or every 2 months): henna
  • NvmbrCurlssNvmbrCurlss Posts: 732Registered Users
    Raking upside down rather than scrunching or squeezing upside down works to break up clumps for me...
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    NoP: As I Am CC
    RO: Suave Coconut, VO5 Shea Cashmere
    LI: KCKT or CJBCLI or HETT/HENOYF (w/ 8 drops GSO)


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  • anonymous_133347anonymous_133347 Posts: 1,426Registered Users
    Korkscrew wrote: »
    dusalocks wrote: »
    skorpio, if you ever find anyone who can help you out in the haircut department, I do think layers might help with the clumping. When hair is all one length, it tends to stick together and wind around itself more, forming larger clumps. When you have different lengths it's more piecey and you have more individual clumps and volume. It might not be the products or the method so much, but that your hair just needs shaping.

    See now the answer too clumping is beginning to look somewhat subjective lol. Layers don't seem to affect clumping for me anymore than when my hair was all one length.

    It definitely is subjective, but I've noticed I have thinner (less chunky) clumps towards the bottom since my haircut and getting more layers put in. Since my hair is tapered, it has a better shape and body around the face. I suspect it doesn't make much of a difference for you because you have a tighter curl pattern. I'm so jealous! :sad11:
    3A - C, HP, ME, HD. (Coarse, High Porosity, Medium Elasticity, High Density.)

    CG since Nov. 2012

    Poos: SM Moisture Retention + Yucca Baobab, TJ's Tea Tree Tingle
    Condish: TJ 'sTea Tree Tingle*, SM Moisture Retention* + Curl & Shine + Yucca Baobab, Yes to Blueberries
    Stylers: KCKT*, SM Curl Enhancing Smoothie* + Curl & Style Milk*, KCCC*, FSG*, CJ Pattern Pusha, Curl Keeper
    Sealers: Jojoba* or Grapeseed* oil

    * = HG

  • anonymous_133347anonymous_133347 Posts: 1,426Registered Users
    dusalocks wrote: »
    skorpio, if you ever find anyone who can help you out in the haircut department, I do think layers might help with the clumping. When hair is all one length, it tends to stick together and wind around itself more, forming larger clumps. When you have different lengths it's more piecey and you have more individual clumps and volume. It might not be the products or the method so much, but that your hair just needs shaping.

    I think that could be it too. Because despite changing methods, products, etc my hair just all clumps together and sits there. It has no life to it and looks like a mop to me :-/ I'm gonna see if I can find someone to cut it

    Don't come down so hard on it. I've seen pictures and your hair is full of life, I promise. Like Korkscrew said, hair is subjective in general and I suspect your hair is very pretty day-to-day even if it's all one length and you just can't see it because we're all our own worst critics. Nevertheless, I admit I was feeling a little moppish with my hair the way it was. So much so that I half considered chopping it off so I could get the big, bouncy hair I wanted without the weight and the bush. Now with the layers I see a big difference in the way my hair curls now and the shape overall. It definitely has more bounce no matter what products I use! And as you can see from my signature, I'm experimenting in general. I think products and technique are very important, but the foundation of good hair, especially good curly hair, is a good haircut. Try the salon finder thingy on here and see if you can find anyone nearby who has good really good reviews. I'm lucky. I discovered my favorite stylist by accident. But if I didn't have her I'd just check here. :iconbiggrin:
    3A - C, HP, ME, HD. (Coarse, High Porosity, Medium Elasticity, High Density.)

    CG since Nov. 2012

    Poos: SM Moisture Retention + Yucca Baobab, TJ's Tea Tree Tingle
    Condish: TJ 'sTea Tree Tingle*, SM Moisture Retention* + Curl & Shine + Yucca Baobab, Yes to Blueberries
    Stylers: KCKT*, SM Curl Enhancing Smoothie* + Curl & Style Milk*, KCCC*, FSG*, CJ Pattern Pusha, Curl Keeper
    Sealers: Jojoba* or Grapeseed* oil

    * = HG

  • sKorpio1190sKorpio1190 Posts: 1,862Registered Users
    dusalocks wrote: »
    dusalocks wrote: »
    skorpio, if you ever find anyone who can help you out in the haircut department, I do think layers might help with the clumping. When hair is all one length, it tends to stick together and wind around itself more, forming larger clumps. When you have different lengths it's more piecey and you have more individual clumps and volume. It might not be the products or the method so much, but that your hair just needs shaping.

    I think that could be it too. Because despite changing methods, products, etc my hair just all clumps together and sits there. It has no life to it and looks like a mop to me :-/ I'm gonna see if I can find someone to cut it

    Don't come down so hard on it. I've seen pictures and your hair is full of life, I promise. Like Korkscrew said, hair is subjective in general and I suspect your hair is very pretty day-to-day even if it's all one length and you just can't see it because we're all our own worst critics. Nevertheless, I admit I was feeling a little moppish with my hair the way it was. So much so that I half considered chopping it off so I could get the big, bouncy hair I wanted without the weight and the bush. Now with the layers I see a big difference in the way my hair curls now and the shape overall. It definitely has more bounce no matter what products I use! And as you can see from my signature, I'm experimenting in general. I think products and technique are very important, but the foundation of good hair, especially good curly hair, is a good haircut. Try the salon finder thingy on here and see if you can find anyone nearby who has good really good reviews. I'm lucky. I discovered my favorite stylist by accident. But if I didn't have her I'd just check here. :iconbiggrin:

    I just got my haircut at a salon and the girl was really nice and seemed to know what she was doing. The true test will be tomorrow when I wash and use my own products in it and style as usual. But so far it is lighter and fluffier. I can't wait to see it tomorrow! Wish me luck lol it was expensive :-/
    Medium texture, normal porosity, normal elasticity :shock:
  • anonymous_133347anonymous_133347 Posts: 1,426Registered Users
    Hooray for light and fluffy rather than heavy and poofy! You may need less product if she took the weight off, so don't get scared it seems overly crunchy for some reason. Once you scrunch or fluff it out you may see a big difference.
    3A - C, HP, ME, HD. (Coarse, High Porosity, Medium Elasticity, High Density.)

    CG since Nov. 2012

    Poos: SM Moisture Retention + Yucca Baobab, TJ's Tea Tree Tingle
    Condish: TJ 'sTea Tree Tingle*, SM Moisture Retention* + Curl & Shine + Yucca Baobab, Yes to Blueberries
    Stylers: KCKT*, SM Curl Enhancing Smoothie* + Curl & Style Milk*, KCCC*, FSG*, CJ Pattern Pusha, Curl Keeper
    Sealers: Jojoba* or Grapeseed* oil

    * = HG

  • sKorpio1190sKorpio1190 Posts: 1,862Registered Users
    dusalocks wrote: »
    Hooray for light and fluffy rather than heavy and poofy! You may need less product if she took the weight off, so don't get scared it seems overly crunchy for some reason. Once you scrunch or fluff it out you may see a big difference.

    Thanks :)
    Medium texture, normal porosity, normal elasticity :shock:
  • KorkscrewKorkscrew Posts: 1,834Registered Users
    dusalocks wrote: »
    It definitely is subjective, but I've noticed I have thinner (less chunky) clumps towards the bottom since my haircut and getting more layers put in. Since my hair is tapered, it has a better shape and body around the face.

    Sounds like layers REALLY work for you. And I agree w/something you just said in another post: a good cut really is that important.

    Yeah, you could be right about my tighter curls. They just want to wind around each other like taffy it's crazy. The longest parts are wavy rather than curly though. Go figure. That's why I no longer keep it uniformly long. I want maximum curl and body. ...
    I suspect it doesn't make much of a difference for you because you have a tighter curl pattern. I'm so jealous! :sad11:

    Aaaaaaaw Your hair is beautiful just the way it is :occasion5: There are plenty of ppl who lust for hair that's less curly and more like yours. I just love curly hair, period LOL
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