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Question about being highly porous

anonymous_133347anonymous_133347 Posts: 1,426Registered Users
Hey guys. So yes I have a question about porosity. I got the hair analysis last month and it said that I was highly porous, which was a shock to me at the time because I thought that meant my hair was unhealthy. I was expecting medium porosity and couldn't believe my hair was highly porous since I hadn't colored it in ages and hadn't used sulfates in years. But then afterwards I thought about it and it made sense. My hair dries very very quickly. So much so that if I don't style it right away once I get out of the shower I sometimes have to rewet it. Also my hair seems to absorb everything, I mean absolutely everything I put into it so it's very thirsty. But recently I've come to the conclusion that my hair is healthy and just naturally highly porous because I have about two inches of roots grown in that are virgin and haven't been touched by heat. No blow dryers or flat irons. These roots are the healthiest part of my hair and yet they seem to dry the fastest. I know there is disagreement over whether or not hair can be healthy (read: undamaged) and yet naturally highly porous. I recently went back to livecurlylivefree.com and it says it can't, but I'm thinking I'm the exception to the rule. Does anybody else feel this way or noticed such things about their hair? :confused5:
3A - C, HP, ME, HD. (Coarse, High Porosity, Medium Elasticity, High Density.)

CG since Nov. 2012

Poos: SM Moisture Retention + Yucca Baobab, TJ's Tea Tree Tingle
Condish: TJ 'sTea Tree Tingle*, SM Moisture Retention* + Curl & Shine + Yucca Baobab, Yes to Blueberries
Stylers: KCKT*, SM Curl Enhancing Smoothie* + Curl & Style Milk*, KCCC*, FSG*, CJ Pattern Pusha, Curl Keeper
Sealers: Jojoba* or Grapeseed* oil

* = HG

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  • GreatcurlsGreatcurls Posts: 1,782Registered Users
    Your highly porous locks are lovely! My hair reacts to water similarly to your hair, and I've never colored it, and it hasn't been relaxed in over 15 years.

    I think there may be more information concerning highly porous hair than what is typically known because I always wonder the following:

    1. There is a white residue left behind by some products. This is after my hair has been clarified, conditioned (rinse-out), and only one styling (or leave-in) product used. Doesn't highly porous hair absorb everything?

    2. My hair is virgin/healthy, and kept moisturized--yet highly porous...?

    3. If hair tangles easily after being detangled, does that mean it's highly porous, or does it means that it's just fine hair (which also tangles easily)?

    4. Does highly porous hair reflect a shine or a sheen? Dusalocks, your hair looks shiny. I would have thought more of low porosity.

    I'm sure others will chime in....
    Mod CG-Naturally Highly Porous and Dry
    This list is not exhaustive...:happy3:
    CoWash: various
    DT: various

    Leave-in
    : CR L/I Collection, various
    Stylers:MC Leave-in, Gorilla Snot
    Spritz/Sealant:Nu-Gro spray w/moisturizer
    *experimenting and loving it!
  • anonymous_133347anonymous_133347 Posts: 1,426Registered Users
    Greatcurls, you bring up some interesting points. Just like me, your hair hasn't been relaxed or colored. I'm assuming you haven't even been using heat tools regularly like I was so your hair must be quite healthy and yet it's naturally dry! Looking at your signature it's obvious you treat your hair very nicely and know a thing or two about it since you've already established a winter regimen.

    The part about residue is also curious. All of my products have played nicely so far and I haven't experienced buildup or residue, but part of me thinks it's just a matter of time. Or maybe it's the luck of the draw in choosing products that happen to not clash. Even on un-clarified hair. I actually waited a good two months after turning CG before I clarified and even then I didn't feel as though I needed to, I just kind of wanted to try it. But boy did my hair feel stripped afterwards. I babied it back within 2 days but it's left me thinking the next time I clarify I better really, really need to.

    (Strange sidenote: I had to poo out this silicone serum they snuck into my hair at the salon last week and the straight up sulfate shampoo-Suave Naturals Coconut-did not dry my hair out as much as the sulfate free clarifying one- Trader Joes Tea Tree Tingle. I might use the sulfates next time.)

    Oh, I'm not sure about shine and high porosity but you raise another good point there. If our hair is dry, then how can it be shiny? Part of me wants to believe it's my natural shine but part of me wonders if it's just all the amazing products I've been using. It's funny when I was using silicones my hair used to be rather dull. (Probably because I was using Wen which doesn't have sulfates to poo them out so I must've had a lot of buildup.) The moment I went CG it got very shiny. That's why I thought it was healthy. Anyways I do moisturize the hell out of it. And it is shiny no matter which product and combinations I use so long as they're CG.

    Thank you so much for the compliment by the way! I'm surprised you can even see my hair at all in that teeny tiny screenshot. Once I'd uploaded the picture I was bummed because my hair seemed so dark you couldn't see the curls and my arms look ghastly white too for some reason. (This is on my screen.) The site wouldn't let me change though. Kept jamming. But at least it let me upload an avatar at all. I tried a month ago and no dice.

    Okay I keep going off topic. Someone else with high porosity please do chime in so Greatcurls and I can compare notes with you! :blob8: I've been curious about my porous hair for a few weeks now. I was thinking I could "repair" it to achieve medium porosity but I've since come to the conclusion that my hair will probably always be dry and in need of moisture. That's okay. I just want to know for sure.

    P.S. My hair tangles pretty easily too. Especially the right side for some reason.
    3A - C, HP, ME, HD. (Coarse, High Porosity, Medium Elasticity, High Density.)

    CG since Nov. 2012

    Poos: SM Moisture Retention + Yucca Baobab, TJ's Tea Tree Tingle
    Condish: TJ 'sTea Tree Tingle*, SM Moisture Retention* + Curl & Shine + Yucca Baobab, Yes to Blueberries
    Stylers: KCKT*, SM Curl Enhancing Smoothie* + Curl & Style Milk*, KCCC*, FSG*, CJ Pattern Pusha, Curl Keeper
    Sealers: Jojoba* or Grapeseed* oil

    * = HG

  • Jas76Jas76 Posts: 2,283Registered Users
    I'm naturally high porous, too!

    I find my hair drinks oil, and can't get enough protein. In fact, the protein/moisture balance for me seems to be "get as much as possible of both".

    I too have found that the OCCASIONAL gentle sulfate poo works well on me. I use it to clarify, and be sure to do a PT/DT afterwards. My hair is a LOT curlier and shinier after taking those steps.

    I'm not sure if that (the sulfates being good when used on occasion) is connected to my porosity or not, but I guess it bares mentioning.

    No issues with white residue, unless I mix a LI with a gel it doesn't like, or AVG (Which I don't use straight onto my hair anymore, bc my hair seems to only like it when it's in a product.)

    Sealing (with MO) is a MUST for my hair!!!
    2c/3a/3b, Fine/med, Dense, high porous, & normal elas.

    Lo-poo - Renpure Keratin, SMR, Giovanni SaS
    clarifying - mix Johnson's H2T with low poo
    Co-wash - Suave Nats. clar. or coco.
    RO - GVPCB, Ion Eff. Care, TN.
    LI - SMR, Cure Care, or RO
    Seal - MO or Jojoba
    DT - + honey, ACV, & EVOO to SM masque & GVPCB
    PT - Gelatin!, CNPF
    Styling - FSG, AIF, BRHG, LALS/PS, GF curl spray gel, SM Souffle/Smoothie, LOOB
    Oils - MO!, EVOO, jojoba, GSO, SM Elixer, EVCO, VO5 Hairdressing
  • anonymous_133347anonymous_133347 Posts: 1,426Registered Users
    What's AVG? Aloe vera gel? Sorry for being dense Jas. You're always clearing up acronyms for me. It's so good to know you're naturally porous too! That's 3 for 3 guys! You hear that? (Ra ra sis boom ba!) That's my hair's self esteem. It's going through the roof. :blob4:
    3A - C, HP, ME, HD. (Coarse, High Porosity, Medium Elasticity, High Density.)

    CG since Nov. 2012

    Poos: SM Moisture Retention + Yucca Baobab, TJ's Tea Tree Tingle
    Condish: TJ 'sTea Tree Tingle*, SM Moisture Retention* + Curl & Shine + Yucca Baobab, Yes to Blueberries
    Stylers: KCKT*, SM Curl Enhancing Smoothie* + Curl & Style Milk*, KCCC*, FSG*, CJ Pattern Pusha, Curl Keeper
    Sealers: Jojoba* or Grapeseed* oil

    * = HG

  • redcelticcurlsredcelticcurls Posts: 17,502Registered Users
    I'm quite porous. My hair is also coarse, and I cannot tolerate much protein. Only keratin, and only when the dew points in the 60'sF.

    I seal over top of my leave-in. It helps a lot.
    Kiva! Microfinance works.

    Med/Coarse, porous curly.
  • Jas76Jas76 Posts: 2,283Registered Users
    Oh yes, sorry! Aloe Vera Gel! ;)

    I see RCC says she's coarse and porous - I think that's somewhat rare. (RCC - is that naturally? Or damage based?). Or at least not as common as fine and porous. It seems coarse hair tends to not like protein, where fine does. At least as a general rule. My hair never met a protein it doesn't like, and it gobbles it right up!

    And Dusa - your hair is lovely! Why is its self esteem so low??
    2c/3a/3b, Fine/med, Dense, high porous, & normal elas.

    Lo-poo - Renpure Keratin, SMR, Giovanni SaS
    clarifying - mix Johnson's H2T with low poo
    Co-wash - Suave Nats. clar. or coco.
    RO - GVPCB, Ion Eff. Care, TN.
    LI - SMR, Cure Care, or RO
    Seal - MO or Jojoba
    DT - + honey, ACV, & EVOO to SM masque & GVPCB
    PT - Gelatin!, CNPF
    Styling - FSG, AIF, BRHG, LALS/PS, GF curl spray gel, SM Souffle/Smoothie, LOOB
    Oils - MO!, EVOO, jojoba, GSO, SM Elixer, EVCO, VO5 Hairdressing
  • redcelticcurlsredcelticcurls Posts: 17,502Registered Users
    It's both. I color my hair twice a year, but the roots are porous as well.

    I heat dry about 4-6 times a year and heat straighten once a year.
    Kiva! Microfinance works.

    Med/Coarse, porous curly.
  • anonymous_133347anonymous_133347 Posts: 1,426Registered Users
    I bought some lily of the valley aloe vera gel yesterday. It's a huge bottle for $7 at whole foods. I'm looking forward to mixing it with my FSG and experimenting.

    Thanks for the hair compliment. Yes, its self esteem is not low anymore, I promise. Especially after this thread. It's just that after I got my hair analysis results and they shocked me, I was feeling guilty for straightening it for so long. (Especially because I didn't always use a heat protectant.) I thought I'd done some serious damage to make my porosity high in the first place. But now I realize you can be naturally porous and still have healthy hair. I also get the sense that a lot of coarse curlies have low porosity, not high. It's weird that my properties don't agree with one another. I guess that's why my hair seems okay with light proteins but not heavy ones.
    3A - C, HP, ME, HD. (Coarse, High Porosity, Medium Elasticity, High Density.)

    CG since Nov. 2012

    Poos: SM Moisture Retention + Yucca Baobab, TJ's Tea Tree Tingle
    Condish: TJ 'sTea Tree Tingle*, SM Moisture Retention* + Curl & Shine + Yucca Baobab, Yes to Blueberries
    Stylers: KCKT*, SM Curl Enhancing Smoothie* + Curl & Style Milk*, KCCC*, FSG*, CJ Pattern Pusha, Curl Keeper
    Sealers: Jojoba* or Grapeseed* oil

    * = HG

  • btwitsnatashabtwitsnatasha Posts: 49Registered Users
    It could be your water. I read somewhere that hard water can cause high porosity.
  • Jas76Jas76 Posts: 2,283Registered Users
    I'm not sure if that's true or not, but I can say we have hard water in our state, so maybe that is part of it!

    Dusa - my hair likes AVG in the FSG. I actually put quite a bit in there. It's funny, bc plain AVG on my hair does NOT go well, but if I dilute it, or it's combined with something - it's great!
    2c/3a/3b, Fine/med, Dense, high porous, & normal elas.

    Lo-poo - Renpure Keratin, SMR, Giovanni SaS
    clarifying - mix Johnson's H2T with low poo
    Co-wash - Suave Nats. clar. or coco.
    RO - GVPCB, Ion Eff. Care, TN.
    LI - SMR, Cure Care, or RO
    Seal - MO or Jojoba
    DT - + honey, ACV, & EVOO to SM masque & GVPCB
    PT - Gelatin!, CNPF
    Styling - FSG, AIF, BRHG, LALS/PS, GF curl spray gel, SM Souffle/Smoothie, LOOB
    Oils - MO!, EVOO, jojoba, GSO, SM Elixer, EVCO, VO5 Hairdressing
  • anonymous_133347anonymous_133347 Posts: 1,426Registered Users
    I looked into hard water when I first read the CG Handbook and realized pretty quickly I don't have it. The best indicator is whether or not you can get your soap to lather. Bad buildup (which I have yet to get) in the hair is also a good indicator of hard water. There was a water bottle test:

    How to Determine if You Have Hard Water: 5 steps (with pictures)

    There it is! Just in case it's to anyone's interest.

    Jas, how much AVG to do mix with the FSG ratio wise? Should I just start out tossing a tsp into the container and giving it a swift stir?
    3A - C, HP, ME, HD. (Coarse, High Porosity, Medium Elasticity, High Density.)

    CG since Nov. 2012

    Poos: SM Moisture Retention + Yucca Baobab, TJ's Tea Tree Tingle
    Condish: TJ 'sTea Tree Tingle*, SM Moisture Retention* + Curl & Shine + Yucca Baobab, Yes to Blueberries
    Stylers: KCKT*, SM Curl Enhancing Smoothie* + Curl & Style Milk*, KCCC*, FSG*, CJ Pattern Pusha, Curl Keeper
    Sealers: Jojoba* or Grapeseed* oil

    * = HG

  • Jas76Jas76 Posts: 2,283Registered Users
    As far as how much avg - I put a good amount, actually. Depends on the size batch I make, so I can't say for sure. Maybe 1/4-2/3cup in a large batch? I mix it in after it's been removed from the heat, of course.
    2c/3a/3b, Fine/med, Dense, high porous, & normal elas.

    Lo-poo - Renpure Keratin, SMR, Giovanni SaS
    clarifying - mix Johnson's H2T with low poo
    Co-wash - Suave Nats. clar. or coco.
    RO - GVPCB, Ion Eff. Care, TN.
    LI - SMR, Cure Care, or RO
    Seal - MO or Jojoba
    DT - + honey, ACV, & EVOO to SM masque & GVPCB
    PT - Gelatin!, CNPF
    Styling - FSG, AIF, BRHG, LALS/PS, GF curl spray gel, SM Souffle/Smoothie, LOOB
    Oils - MO!, EVOO, jojoba, GSO, SM Elixer, EVCO, VO5 Hairdressing
  • marlsmarls Posts: 11Registered Users
    I have 2b/2c hair. Very porous and medium and coarse density. It's a frustrating combo. I was CG for a year before figuring out my hair liked protein and oil. I still work on my hair but figuring out what it likes and doesn't like has been hard. I do a protein treatment very other week. I would do it more but don't have the time. Jojoba oil has been amazing on my hair. it never occurred to me to put oil on wet hair (I figured oil and water didn't mix) but it has made my hair so shiny and soft. I'm naturally porous. Dye my hair 1-2 x per year.
    2a/b, thick/coarse, high porosity
  • anonymous_133347anonymous_133347 Posts: 1,426Registered Users
    marls wrote: »
    I have 2b/2c hair. Very porous and medium and coarse density. It's a frustrating combo. I was CG for a year before figuring out my hair liked protein and oil. I still work on my hair but figuring out what it likes and doesn't like has been hard. I do a protein treatment very other week. I would do it more but don't have the time. Jojoba oil has been amazing on my hair. it never occurred to me to put oil on wet hair (I figured oil and water didn't mix) but it has made my hair so shiny and soft. I'm naturally porous. Dye my hair 1-2 x per year.

    It is frustrating, isn't it? I just wish the hair analysis came with a spreadsheet of sorts. You hair likes these proteins and not those. This ingredient is okay if it's further down the list, etc. Still it is good to have a general guideline so now I know to be wary everytime I test out a protein. I think most curly hair or hair in general likes oil. (Maybe straight haired girls already produce enough sebum but you know what I mean.) It's just that some curlies can't wear it in their hair when they style because it weighs it down. I also love jojoba oil for sealing. And I'm trying out grapeseed oil. Last night I did a deep treatment that was one part grapeseed to one part coconut oil to one part EVOO to one part honey. Like you I put it in wet clean hair. Then I left it in all night and rinsed this morning. Super silky extra shiny hair. Shame I'm going to go the gym now and frizz this baby up. But when I get home wash again and then style it. :blob4:

    (When you say "coarse" density, do you mean "high density" or are you saying coarse texture?)
    3A - C, HP, ME, HD. (Coarse, High Porosity, Medium Elasticity, High Density.)

    CG since Nov. 2012

    Poos: SM Moisture Retention + Yucca Baobab, TJ's Tea Tree Tingle
    Condish: TJ 'sTea Tree Tingle*, SM Moisture Retention* + Curl & Shine + Yucca Baobab, Yes to Blueberries
    Stylers: KCKT*, SM Curl Enhancing Smoothie* + Curl & Style Milk*, KCCC*, FSG*, CJ Pattern Pusha, Curl Keeper
    Sealers: Jojoba* or Grapeseed* oil

    * = HG

  • LibrijenneLibrijenne Posts: 16Registered Users
    I have pretty porous hair as well. It's coarse and there's a lot of it. 2b/c right now. My hair does not like protein at all, but loves oil (except olive). I rarely heat style, maybe once a year. I've hennaed twice, once a full henna in 2008, the other a gloss last year. My water is hard and highly chlorinated.

    I just discovered that my shampoo bar has SLS, so I'm going to just rely on my Deva Low-Poo for a while and see if that helps. I don't wet or wash my hair very often, so I'm going to try wetting and conditioning more often to see if that helps it get the moisture it wants. To me, it looks obviously dry and it has way too many split ends.
    2b/c, coarse, highly porous, low elasticity
    Classic-length, henna gloss over natural red

    Clean: Deva Low-Poo
    Condition: Deva One Condition, Suave Naturals
    Oil: Camellia oil, Coconut Oil, or Castor Oil
    Style: FSG

    CG-ish since Fall 2012, Getting serious Feb 2013
  • anonymous_133347anonymous_133347 Posts: 1,426Registered Users
    I never get split ends even. I honestly don't actually know what one looks like but I can sort of picture it. If your water is hard what do you do to compensate? Lemon rinses? So far I wash every other day. I can stretch my hair out longer if I were to skip my cardio but then my hair will get rather dry too. It needs a conditioner fix and good detangle every other day.
    3A - C, HP, ME, HD. (Coarse, High Porosity, Medium Elasticity, High Density.)

    CG since Nov. 2012

    Poos: SM Moisture Retention + Yucca Baobab, TJ's Tea Tree Tingle
    Condish: TJ 'sTea Tree Tingle*, SM Moisture Retention* + Curl & Shine + Yucca Baobab, Yes to Blueberries
    Stylers: KCKT*, SM Curl Enhancing Smoothie* + Curl & Style Milk*, KCCC*, FSG*, CJ Pattern Pusha, Curl Keeper
    Sealers: Jojoba* or Grapeseed* oil

    * = HG

  • Jas76Jas76 Posts: 2,283Registered Users
    I have hard water, and to help combat that and to help close my porous cuticles, I add some ACV to my RO fairy often.
    2c/3a/3b, Fine/med, Dense, high porous, & normal elas.

    Lo-poo - Renpure Keratin, SMR, Giovanni SaS
    clarifying - mix Johnson's H2T with low poo
    Co-wash - Suave Nats. clar. or coco.
    RO - GVPCB, Ion Eff. Care, TN.
    LI - SMR, Cure Care, or RO
    Seal - MO or Jojoba
    DT - + honey, ACV, & EVOO to SM masque & GVPCB
    PT - Gelatin!, CNPF
    Styling - FSG, AIF, BRHG, LALS/PS, GF curl spray gel, SM Souffle/Smoothie, LOOB
    Oils - MO!, EVOO, jojoba, GSO, SM Elixer, EVCO, VO5 Hairdressing
  • marlsmarls Posts: 11Registered Users
    Oops I meant coarse texture. I have medium density. I didn't start using jojoba oil until last month and it has made my hair so much better. There's shine now!
    For protein, I enjoy spiral solutions ( they only have one but I forgot the name of it), and CJ curl fx. I also tried CJ repair me a few times but left my hair dry. I should probably follow that one with a deep conditioner.
    2a/b, thick/coarse, high porosity
  • curlypearlcurlypearl Posts: 11,983Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    Definitely follow Repairme with a deep conditioner. Otherwise, the protein will leave your hair like straw - but it is good before a DT.

    Good luck!
    2/c Coarse hair med. density.
    Highly porous. Color over grey.
    I love all the Curl Junkie products. Still experimenting with gels and curl creams. Still hoping for 2nd day hair....
    Every day is a gift :flower:
  • anonymous_133347anonymous_133347 Posts: 1,426Registered Users
    marls wrote: »
    Oops I meant coarse texture. I have medium density. I didn't start using jojoba oil until last month and it has made my hair so much better. There's shine now!
    For protein, I enjoy spiral solutions ( they only have one but I forgot the name of it), and CJ curl fx. I also tried CJ repair me a few times but left my hair dry. I should probably follow that one with a deep conditioner.

    I'd like to try something by SS too but since they're mostly protein heavy so I suppose it'd have to be a protein treatment, wouldn't it? But when it comes to protein treatments and deep treatments I like to use what's around the house mostly.
    3A - C, HP, ME, HD. (Coarse, High Porosity, Medium Elasticity, High Density.)

    CG since Nov. 2012

    Poos: SM Moisture Retention + Yucca Baobab, TJ's Tea Tree Tingle
    Condish: TJ 'sTea Tree Tingle*, SM Moisture Retention* + Curl & Shine + Yucca Baobab, Yes to Blueberries
    Stylers: KCKT*, SM Curl Enhancing Smoothie* + Curl & Style Milk*, KCCC*, FSG*, CJ Pattern Pusha, Curl Keeper
    Sealers: Jojoba* or Grapeseed* oil

    * = HG

  • marlsmarls Posts: 11Registered Users
    Dusalocks, sorry for the delay, I don't get notifications of people responding to my post, how frustrating. Well, now that I think about it, maybe that's why I like the SS brand so much b/c of the protein. My only complaint now is that she changed the scent and I can't stand it anymore. The CEJ worked well on my hair and her protein treatment has been my favorite so far.
    I wanted to thank you for this thread, I've been CG for over a year, with decent improvement but I underestimated my porosity. I figured since I stopped dying my hair that it should be normal to low porosity. So my top layer is dry and not well defined, almost 2A. I look back at baby/kid pictures and I had spirals. I'm hoping to get that back one day. I'm glad that there's others that are naturally porous. It sucks but I guess the universe wants to make its little challenging for us. I need to be patient and start getting more protein into my hair.
    2a/b, thick/coarse, high porosity
  • anonymous_133347anonymous_133347 Posts: 1,426Registered Users
    My top layer gets dry too. So does my right and back side. So I add extra oils to problem sections when I deep treat. Yes, my highly porous hair likes certain proteins too but I have to play carefully because too much of it will upset my coarseness. Oh balancing acts. It's okay. . . at least I understand my hair now.

    "I figured since I stopped dying my hair that it should be normal to low porosity."

    Yeah me too. That is why I was shocked when I learned my hair was highly porous and thought oh dear it must be very damaged. But honestly my hair is ridiculously healthy. It does get dry with this arid weather but it's naturally dry and I can always chase the dryness away with some natural oils and rich emollients. I don't get split ends or breakage. I'm just porous. As are you. And we have nothing to be ashamed of!
    3A - C, HP, ME, HD. (Coarse, High Porosity, Medium Elasticity, High Density.)

    CG since Nov. 2012

    Poos: SM Moisture Retention + Yucca Baobab, TJ's Tea Tree Tingle
    Condish: TJ 'sTea Tree Tingle*, SM Moisture Retention* + Curl & Shine + Yucca Baobab, Yes to Blueberries
    Stylers: KCKT*, SM Curl Enhancing Smoothie* + Curl & Style Milk*, KCCC*, FSG*, CJ Pattern Pusha, Curl Keeper
    Sealers: Jojoba* or Grapeseed* oil

    * = HG

  • Chloe_s_MomChloe_s_Mom Posts: 48Registered Users
    I am confused by the porosity tests - when I ran my fingers up some hair, I thought that I felt bumpies. But then I repeated the test since going CG, and I don't think that I felt any?? Then I tried the floating hair thing. It floated unless I pressed it under water, and it then sank. But I remembered that I had coconut oil in my hair, which could explain why it floated at all.

    I've always thought that my hair was porous as it would suck up dye, then fade out quickly. When it was long and somewhat mistreated, the top would dry ever so fast (absolutely understand the need to re-wet it if left too long)

    My hair, despite looking quite dark, is still in the blonde family and is fine, but dense. Now that I've stopped dyeing it, I have noticed that it does actually have some shine!

    I am relatively new to treating my hair more kindly, though I knew, several years ago, when I had long hair, to condition, condition, condition, but only wash occasionally.

    I seem to tolerate certain silicones well, namely the one in Sebastian's Potion # 9 leave in conditioner.

    I think that I need to watch just how often I condition (now that my hair is healthier, it is growing out from a pixie cut and I don't dye it, use heat etc) as it can look heavy and unhappy.

    I do know that my hair hates Moroccan Oil products. Hates. Feels like Barbie hair immediately.
    Growing out a pixie (last big cut July 2012)
    3a? 3b? Fine, dense. Porous.
    Finally sulfate free. Avoiding silicones.
  • Firefox7275Firefox7275 Posts: 3,750Registered Users
    Certain hair types are naturally more porous than others, also one can do a heck of a lot of damage mechanically, not simply heat or chemicals. My understanding is that part of porosity is the presence or absence of the protective fatty layer on the hair, this can be destroyed by a single hair dye session, UV damage, brushing/ combing, any shampoo soap or alkaline product like baking soda. Sulphates are certainly major culprits but not the only ones, all shampoos are designed to break down lipids.

    The canopy can suffer from incidental sun damage, the UV protectants in hair products are low factor and chemical not physical so they need reapplying regularly. Naturally porous or damaged hair will suffer hygral fatigue simply from washing and, according to Komaza Care, also during long deep conditioner sessions. Solutions include wearing a hat every time you are near the sun and consider using coconut oil to reduce porosity and protect from protein loss.

    I had tons of breaks all round my hairline and at the back plus progressively increased porosity towards the ends from wearing a ponytail 24/7, brushing it into that style when wet, repeatedly, twirling the ends in my fingers and suchlike. I was using 'no snag' hair elastics and a decent paddle brush with wide spaced teeth not giving myself a 'Croydon facelift' or anything high traction. Nothing like backcombing nor blow frying with a round brush either (so much brushing on vulnerable wet hair if you think about it).

    Two years on I'm still chemical treating, but the really horrific porosity and patchy breaks is gone, I've cut back on the mechanical damage and stopped all shampoo (CO-wash). I know the water damage is greater when I shampoo because of how much colour I lose/ retain. The rare time I ponytail now it's super loose with a soft terry towel band or small scrunchie, I wouldn't even dare 'pineapple' without a silk/ satin pillowcase.

    Tangling on one side ... where you sleep, car seatbelt?? Good article
    http://www.naturallycurly.com/curlreading/curl-products/curlchemist-porosity-and-curly-hair
    2a-2c, medium texture, porous/ colour treated. Three years CG. Past bra strap length heading for waist.

    CO-wash: Inecto coconut/ Elvive Volume Collagen
    Treatments: Komaza Care Matani, coconut/ sweet almond/ fractionated coconut oils, Hairveda Sitrinillah
    Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss Ultimate Volume, various Elvive
    Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Au Naturale styling gelee
    Flour sack towel, pixie diffuse or air dry.
    Experimenting with: benign neglect
  • Curly SaraCurly Sara Posts: 183Registered Users
    dusalocks wrote: »
    Hey guys. So yes I have a question about porosity. I got the hair analysis last month and it said that I was highly porous, which was a shock to me at the time because I thought that meant my hair was unhealthy. I was expecting medium porosity and couldn't believe my hair was highly porous since I hadn't colored it in ages and hadn't used sulfates in years. But then afterwards I thought about it and it made sense. My hair dries very very quickly. So much so that if I don't style it right away once I get out of the shower I sometimes have to rewet it. Also my hair seems to absorb everything, I mean absolutely everything I put into it so it's very thirsty. But recently I've come to the conclusion that my hair is healthy and just naturally highly porous because I have about two inches of roots grown in that are virgin and haven't been touched by heat. No blow dryers or flat irons. These roots are the healthiest part of my hair and yet they seem to dry the fastest. I know there is disagreement over whether or not hair can be healthy (read: undamaged) and yet naturally highly porous. I recently went back to livecurlylivefree.com and it says it can't, but I'm thinking I'm the exception to the rule. Does anybody else feel this way or noticed such things about their hair? :confused5:

    I have never colored my hair and its been ages ago since i used antipermanent. I rarely straight my hair , maybe twice a year. Still i have highly porous and dry hair. I was born like this! My hair looooooves moisture and protein and sucks up anything wet in seconds. And it dries very fast.

    So i really know what you are talking about. My hair locks naturally damaged without any moistureproducts (conditioner, oils). So i always use conditioner and some oil right after showering my hair to get it look less porous and dry.
    Hair type/properties:
    3c hair, high porosity, mediumdensity, low elasticity, fine hair.

    Curly hair routine/regime:
    Combine the modified cg-method (low poo) and a modified tightly curly method.
    -Condition and leave in: Aubrey Organics, Giovanni Barzilian keratin and argan oil
    -Sealer: shea butter, Argan, olive and coconutoil
    -Gel: homemade flaxseed gel, Kinky curly custard, Queen Helene Curl royal shaping creme.
  • CurlyGrey3CurlyGrey3 Posts: 508Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    Certain hair types are naturally more porous than others, also one can do a heck of a lot of damage mechanically, not simply heat or chemicals. My understanding is that part of porosity is the presence or absence of the protective fatty layer on the hair, this can be destroyed by a single hair dye session, UV damage, brushing/ combing, any shampoo soap or alkaline product like baking soda. Sulphates are certainly major culprits but not the only ones, all shampoos are designed to break down lipids.

    The canopy can suffer from incidental sun damage, the UV protectants in hair products are low factor and chemical not physical so they need reapplying regularly. Naturally porous or damaged hair will suffer hygral fatigue simply from washing and, according to Komaza Care, also during long deep conditioner sessions. Solutions include wearing a hat every time you are near the sun and consider using coconut oil to reduce porosity and protect from protein loss.

    Very interesting!

    You're saying the sulfates in shampoos make hair more porous. It this permanent to those strands or can that actually be repaired?

    It's also interesting about long deep conditioner sessions. Can you point me to those articles?

    When you talk about using coconut oil to reduce porosity and protect from protein loss, do you mean using it as a sealer after all other products are applied? Or do you mean using it in general to condition the hair?

    I don't know if my hair is porous or not, but I'm starting to think it is. Gray hair tends to be porous anyway.
    Salt & pepper wavy mix 2B/2C
    Low to normal porosity, coarse, kinky, normal elasticity
    Current favorites:
    Low poo: Yes To Cukes Color Protection (the no sulfate one)
    Conditioners: Renpure MPHIP, CJ Smoothing Lotion, AB LI, CJ Curl Rehab, CJ Argan/Olive, Darcy's Pumpkin
    Style: FSG, BRHG
    Pre-poo/DT: Conditioner with honey & coconut oil

    iHerb discount code: PNQ285
  • Firefox7275Firefox7275 Posts: 3,750Registered Users
    CurlyGrey3 wrote: »
    Very interesting!

    You're saying the sulfates in shampoos make hair more porous. It this permanent to those strands or can that actually be repaired?

    It's also interesting about long deep conditioner sessions. Can you point me to those articles?

    When you talk about using coconut oil to reduce porosity and protect from protein loss, do you mean using it as a sealer after all other products are applied? Or do you mean using it in general to condition the hair?

    I don't know if my hair is porous or not, but I'm starting to think it is. Gray hair tends to be porous anyway.

    Hair is dead so nothing can be permanently repaired. You can patch up some of the damage with certain ingredients in products - hydrolysed proteins, ceramides, 18-MEA, panthenol, cationic surfactants and fatty alcohols - but the effect is always temporary.

    The Natural Haven blog and the 'curl chemist' articles here on NC are all worth reading when you have time
    Porosity and Curly Hair
    Komaza Care HAIR ANALYSIS Service - Rave! - Long Hair Care Forum
    Mineral Oil Versus Coconut Oil: Which is better?
    THE NATURAL HAVEN: Do you need to deep condition your hair? Can you over-condition hair?

    More geeky science
    /home/leaving?target=http%3A%2F%2Fjournal.scconline.org%2Fpdf%2Fcc2003%2Fcc054n02%2Fp00175-p00192.pdf" class="Popup
    Chemical and Physical Behavior of Human Hair - Clarence R. Robbins - Google Books
    2a-2c, medium texture, porous/ colour treated. Three years CG. Past bra strap length heading for waist.

    CO-wash: Inecto coconut/ Elvive Volume Collagen
    Treatments: Komaza Care Matani, coconut/ sweet almond/ fractionated coconut oils, Hairveda Sitrinillah
    Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss Ultimate Volume, various Elvive
    Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Au Naturale styling gelee
    Flour sack towel, pixie diffuse or air dry.
    Experimenting with: benign neglect
  • CurlyGrey3CurlyGrey3 Posts: 508Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    Thanks, I will read them when I get a chance . I wonder once all the sulfate washed hair grows out if my hair will be different...
    Salt & pepper wavy mix 2B/2C
    Low to normal porosity, coarse, kinky, normal elasticity
    Current favorites:
    Low poo: Yes To Cukes Color Protection (the no sulfate one)
    Conditioners: Renpure MPHIP, CJ Smoothing Lotion, AB LI, CJ Curl Rehab, CJ Argan/Olive, Darcy's Pumpkin
    Style: FSG, BRHG
    Pre-poo/DT: Conditioner with honey & coconut oil

    iHerb discount code: PNQ285
  • Firefox7275Firefox7275 Posts: 3,750Registered Users
    CurlyGrey3 wrote: »
    Thanks, I will read them when I get a chance . I wonder once all the sulfate washed hair grows out if my hair will be different...

    Quite possibly, there is a redheaded curly over on the Long Hair Community who has/ had a dermarcation line in her hair from when she quit sulphates! I know what just 1% sulphates do to the skin so it's no stretch to imagine they are equally destructive to hair since that is dead and cannot repair itself.

    I'm trying to replenish the lipids that I have lost from chemical treatments, can't find any CG friendly products that contain 18-MEA, but am using products containing ceramides, palm oil and coconut oil regularly. And *hopefully* not stripping too much more of the lipids or proteins because I conditioner-only wash and avoid UV light.

    Successful CG seems to me to be science, good fortune and perseverance in equal measures!
    2a-2c, medium texture, porous/ colour treated. Three years CG. Past bra strap length heading for waist.

    CO-wash: Inecto coconut/ Elvive Volume Collagen
    Treatments: Komaza Care Matani, coconut/ sweet almond/ fractionated coconut oils, Hairveda Sitrinillah
    Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss Ultimate Volume, various Elvive
    Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Au Naturale styling gelee
    Flour sack towel, pixie diffuse or air dry.
    Experimenting with: benign neglect
  • CurlyGrey3CurlyGrey3 Posts: 508Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    CurlyGrey3 wrote: »
    Thanks, I will read them when I get a chance . I wonder once all the sulfate washed hair grows out if my hair will be different...

    Quite possibly, there is a redheaded curly over on the Long Hair Community who has/ had a dermarcation line in her hair from when she quit sulphates! I know what just 1% sulphates do to the skin so it's no stretch to imagine they are equally destructive to hair since that is dead and cannot repair itself.

    I'm trying to replenish the lipids that I have lost from chemical treatments, can't find any CG friendly products that contain 18-MEA, but am using products containing ceramides, palm oil and coconut oil regularly. And *hopefully* not stripping too much more of the lipids or proteins because I conditioner-only wash and avoid UV light.

    Successful CG seems to me to be science, good fortune and perseverance in equal measures!

    Once I find out my actual hair properties, I'm going to try to attack it with science :) I'll have to figure out exactly what I need, then what each ingredient does what, and voila! Perfect hair! (LOL) Yeah, I know, it's not that straightforward, but I can certainly make improvements.

    The article above about SLS and eczema is interesting. One of my daughters has mostly mild eczema with an occasional flare. I wonder if the SLES in her shampoo aggravates it.
    Salt & pepper wavy mix 2B/2C
    Low to normal porosity, coarse, kinky, normal elasticity
    Current favorites:
    Low poo: Yes To Cukes Color Protection (the no sulfate one)
    Conditioners: Renpure MPHIP, CJ Smoothing Lotion, AB LI, CJ Curl Rehab, CJ Argan/Olive, Darcy's Pumpkin
    Style: FSG, BRHG
    Pre-poo/DT: Conditioner with honey & coconut oil

    iHerb discount code: PNQ285
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