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I'm airing a pet peeve, OK?

MyrnaMyrna Posts: 2,332Registered Users Curl Neophyte
I am really glad on the one hand that there are stylists out there who are paying attention to us curlies. On the other hand, why should we have to pay so much more than our straight haired friends? I dont get it. Maybe in NY or Chicago, a haircut is upwards of $125, but I am really bristling that so many curly stylists are charging the big bucks for a haircut. Maybe I am out of line - my stylist does not do this. But, it seem that many do, and it feels like a kind of exploitation. OK, I'm done.

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  • Jas76Jas76 Posts: 2,283Registered Users
    Yeah, I haw felt that way at times too. It was explained to me that they have spent a lot of extra time and money to get these specialized educations on curls, and also that typically curly appointments take longer than regular ones.

    I've felt that way before since I get charged more for having long hair. Seems unfair to me. They don't charge by thickness/density, they don't charge by type of cut, or how much they are cutting off, but if I go to just get a trim I pay more bc my hair is long?

    Long AND curly... And poor... This is why I cut my own hair. It doesn't look as good as it could, but what can one do?
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  • sammyanthasammyantha Posts: 77Registered Users
    I wish I could moan about this too but at least you have someone to cut your hair, there are a severe lack of curly hair stylists in south east England! I dont think iv ever had one decent curly cut or had a stylist understand way curls behave so i live in fear of the hairdressers..willing deva to expand over here one day!
  • MyrnaMyrna Posts: 2,332Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    Sammy, my stylist is not a Deva stylist, she just knows about cutting curly hair. I suspect there are others out there. In fact, she has not cut my entire head of hair but one time - she will give a snip here and there and not charge me, just charges for a root touch. And yea, Jaz, I think its kind of a rip off that we have to pay more because we have curls and "it takes more time"...do I even believe that, I am not sure.
  • sammyanthasammyantha Posts: 77Registered Users
    I know I suspect they're lurking somewhere I'm just yet to find one, hopefully when I do they won't charge insane prices!
  • DarbyDarby Posts: 1,025Registered Users
    I know. It's like it's a speciality. Well, I guess it kind of is but it's not rocket science. It's just shaping. I have been going to a deva stylist who does charge alot JUST for a little trim and won't give me a break for just snipping ends off. I found another deva styist (actually 2 more) who charge 25.00 less. I will be trying one of them out. Some just want more money.
    PW:curlyhaired

    Natural hair color - dark brunette
    Fine, thinish hair/3a, 3b
  • seamelody14seamelody14 Posts: 282Registered Users
    Yeah, it bothers me too. I'm in Boston, which is notoriously expensive, but even here most *very* high end salons charge about $100-$150 for a haircut, I mean these are the salons that charge $300 just to do highlights, so I think it's ridiculous that curly salons, at least in my area, charge the same. They're not super upscale or anything, just curly- specialized.
    2a/b
    medium/thick
    high porosity (from coloring)

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    Co-wash: Chistophe Robin Lemon Cleansing Cream
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    Oils: caudalie, sweet almond
  • JessiebananaJessiebanana Posts: 940Banned Users
    I've always had to pay more for having thicker hair, so I don't think I'd blink an eye at this.
    3C/Fine to Medium/Low Porosity/High Density

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    RO/DC: DB Pumpkin Seed Curl Moisturizing Conditioner
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  • Laura LeeLaura Lee Posts: 1,828Registered Users
    I've always had to pay more for having thicker hair, so I don't think I'd blink an eye at this.

    Wow that would drive me bonkers! I have super fine and thin hair...can I get a discount? :P

    I am super lucky to have found a stylist who cuts curly hair well even though she isn't deva trained. My $22 haircuts from her match my $75 deva cuts!
  • anonymous_133347anonymous_133347 Posts: 1,426Registered Users
    Jessiebanana, me too! Not the stylist I see now but twice in the past I was charged this fee at two different places because quote: "Your hair is very dense" and "It took more time with you because of all of your hair." I was all :cussing:. And I'm not even sure if my hair is that dense anyways or if it just looks that way because the individual strands are thicker/coarser. They should be happy my hair is thick. It's easier to shape and more forgiving. Supposedly from what I read with people with finer hair and lower density you have to be very precise because if you cut the wrong way it's really shows. Stylists could be totally lazy with my hair and you wouldn't notice as much because there's plenty of it. Okay rant over.
    3A - C, HP, ME, HD. (Coarse, High Porosity, Medium Elasticity, High Density.)

    CG since Nov. 2012

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    Sealers: Jojoba* or Grapeseed* oil

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  • MyrnaMyrna Posts: 2,332Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    If a stylist told me she had to charge me more because I have a lot of hair, or thicker hair, etc. I would get up out of the chair and leave. Excuse me? Arent stylists suppose to work with all types of hair?
  • anonymous_133347anonymous_133347 Posts: 1,426Registered Users
    It is worth noting that these two instances were at higher class and snootier salons. And it's not like the results were that great. It's not you get what you pay for, it's you pay through the nose. The hairdressers/salons I like now (either of them) charge a fraction of the price I paid at those two joints. . .
    3A - C, HP, ME, HD. (Coarse, High Porosity, Medium Elasticity, High Density.)

    CG since Nov. 2012

    Poos: SM Moisture Retention + Yucca Baobab, TJ's Tea Tree Tingle
    Condish: TJ 'sTea Tree Tingle*, SM Moisture Retention* + Curl & Shine + Yucca Baobab, Yes to Blueberries
    Stylers: KCKT*, SM Curl Enhancing Smoothie* + Curl & Style Milk*, KCCC*, FSG*, CJ Pattern Pusha, Curl Keeper
    Sealers: Jojoba* or Grapeseed* oil

    * = HG

  • MyrnaMyrna Posts: 2,332Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    I second the above.
  • flippaciousflippacious Posts: 155Registered Users
    Salon pricing always seems so random to me. I'm new-ish to a city and trying to find a curly stylist for the first time. I found two places that do Deva cuts so far... one has the Deva cut starting at $120, the other has it starting at $60. These salons are literally three blocks from each other. Seriously?! What makes that one place two times better than the other? (interestingly, the curly stylist at the cheaper salon gets rave reviews, while the pricier one gets tepid ones).

    I do understand charging more for dense hair though. It does take longer to cut, and the stylist/salon could be making more money by doing two thin heads. I have always been charged more for cuts too, so I don't really bat an eye at it anymore.

    Being charged more for cutting long hair, though... that's crazy!!
    2b/c, high density
    fine, medium porosity, normal elasticity
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    still searching for HGs
  • MyrnaMyrna Posts: 2,332Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    Flippacious, I dont agree that we should be charged more for long hair, thick hair, curly hair, etc. What does that leave? Medium length straight haired clients? Nope, sorry, I think a stylist charges x amount for a cut; y amount for a full color; z amount for a root touch, etc etc; she does not get to charge more because we have curls. I am a mental health professional; I dont charge more because a client's problems are more severe. I think a stylist should charge what she thinks is a fair price for a cut. Over and out.
  • tina.pearsontina.pearson Posts: 3Registered Users
    I guess I am on the opposite side of the fence here. I just drove one hour and paid $100 for a cut and $200 in product. I have had crappy cuts my whole life and finally found someone that can cut curly hair and do it well. I tipped her $20 and am still singing her praises. I think it is well worth it to pay extra for someone that has invested the time in learning how to cut curly hair and educate me on how to care for it. It doesn't hurt that my husband has been chasing me around the house since my awesome cut.
  • MyrnaMyrna Posts: 2,332Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    :toothy1: One could say you got your money's worth.
  • multicultcurlymulticultcurly Posts: 5,132Registered Users
    I am ok with having to pay more for having curly or thick hair. I also think it makes sense for a stylist to charge more for styling long hair but not for cutting it. However I do think many places are overcharging because they can get away with it.

    I go to a Ouidad trained stylist who is a master stylist and co- owner. His cuts cost $120. Since I never have him do the full shampoo and styling, I'm usually charged $45 for a trim and shape or $65 for conditioning and a cut. He is reasonable.
    3b/c, medium-coarse, low porosity, high density
    HG: Jessicurl Too Shea and Kinky Curly Curling Custard
    Shampoo: nonsulfate shampoo and Suave Naturals sulfate shampoo when needed
  • crazywavescrazywaves Posts: 582Registered Users
    I am good with paying more for a curly stylist if I get a better hair cut. I know that this is not always the case and then I would be upset. My first Deva cut cost me $65.00 and it was a good cut. Now the rest of my cuts unless I want it styled only cost me $35.00.

    I can pay $35.00 just about any salon around me except for the cheapies places where no one gets a great cut. None I have been to seem to know how to cut curly hair to wear it curly. None have been willing to cut my hair the way I wanted it. My benefit I am sure as they seemed to know that they couldnt give me a cut I would be happy with.
  • JessiebananaJessiebanana Posts: 940Banned Users
    dusalocks wrote: »
    Jessiebanana, me too! Not the stylist I see now but twice in the past I was charged this fee at two different places because quote: "Your hair is very dense" and "It took more time with you because of all of your hair." I was all :cussing:. And I'm not even sure if my hair is that dense anyways or if it just looks that way because the individual strands are thicker/coarser. They should be happy my hair is thick. It's easier to shape and more forgiving. Supposedly from what I read with people with finer hair and lower density you have to be very precise because if you cut the wrong way it's really shows. Stylists could be totally lazy with my hair and you wouldn't notice as much because there's plenty of it. Okay rant over.

    I wish I could say that. No...I know mine is thick. My hair isn't particularly thick or course. I just have tons of it. It's also super fragile, so I'd rather pay for the extra time.
    3C/Fine to Medium/Low Porosity/High Density

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    RO/DC: DB Pumpkin Seed Curl Moisturizing Conditioner
    LI: CJ Smoothing Lotion
    Styler: Queen Helene Sculpturing Gel & Glaze

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  • JessiebananaJessiebanana Posts: 940Banned Users
    Myrna wrote: »
    If a stylist told me she had to charge me more because I have a lot of hair, or thicker hair, etc. I would get up out of the chair and leave. Excuse me? Arent stylists suppose to work with all types of hair?

    No, I don't feel that way at all. They have to take a lot more time and use a lot more product. I respect their business. For example, I dyed my hair once and the stylist didn't do my whole head. She said parts would over process, so she did it in sections. With the waiting between applications it had to take at least twice as long, but I got better results than had she just slapped it on. It's similar to clothing, after a certain size the price generally goes up.

    Stylist are supposed to be able to work with all hair, and she did work with mine, but I don't feel entitled to pricing.
    3C/Fine to Medium/Low Porosity/High Density

    :love5:MoistureMoistureMoisture:love5:

    Low Poo: CJ Gentle Cleansing Shampoo
    RO/DC: DB Pumpkin Seed Curl Moisturizing Conditioner
    LI: CJ Smoothing Lotion
    Styler: Queen Helene Sculpturing Gel & Glaze

    No Salts, No Waxes, No Butters, No Heavy Oils
    No ACV, No Saponified Oils, Protein Sensitive
  • SunshineGrrlSunshineGrrl Posts: 3,823Registered Users
    This is so weird. I've never been charged extra for having thick hair with a haircut. I pay megabucks for cuts because the salon(s) I go to have mega training. They're required to go to hair shows, participate in hair shows, attend one continuing education class per month, etc. I have never walked out of the salon (same owners, same name, different locations) with a bad haircut (or color when I was getting color done instead of henna).

    I do pay bucks to get a haircut there. Roundabout $100, depending on the stylist certification. If they're a master stylist, it's more expensive, if a junior stylist, less expensive. The $100 field I'm pretty sure is a master stylist and includes, wash, cut, dry, touchup, style, etc. And they educate you on how to style your hair the way they're styling it along with alternative ways you can style it. They attempt to make it as versatile as possible and be able to fit into the lifestyle you live. Like if you don't and won't spend a lot of time on styling it, then they'll do something less high-maintenance and something you can sometimes wash and go, etc.

    Keep in mind, these are not curly specific cuts, but my hair always looks fabulous after they cut it. I think curly cuts around here are something like $60-$100. They're wonderful cuts, but I just like the extra polish and professional look the other salon gives me, even if it's not curly specific. They get just the right amount of bulk out of it, cut it so it's slimming to my very round face, etc.

    So I'm kind of on the fence. I'm willing to pay extra for the extra knowledge this particular salon requires, but I really do notice a big difference in my hair. I can go a very long time between cuts and it maintains its shape. Any other salon and I'd probably be venting right along with everybody here. It is only this specific salon that I will pay extra for, none other.