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Hooded Dryer vs Diffuser

Is the use of a hooded dryer ok with the Curly Girl Method? I tried diffusing but it doesn't seem to work for me (my hair won't get dry even after 30 minutes - not even close to being dry). I would love to continue air drying but it takes 9 hours for my hair to dry (TWA). I am in Kentucky so that makes for some very cold drying time when I have to go outdoors. I wanted to dry a least enough to remove the general dampness.
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  • KorkscrewKorkscrew Posts: 1,834Registered Users
    Even Lorraine Massey was conflicted and a little wishy-washy about thermal drying w/the CG routine. First, she militantly decreed that hair dryers were death to hair (She called them "hair fryers"). Then she switched up her position and started making big bucks off of her hand-shaped dryer contraption.

    What seems to be true for most curlies is that the less heat you use, the better off your hair is. There are plenty of people who get away with regularly using a diffuser or a hooded dryer. If your hair is generally in good shape, you can use the "warm" setting on either of these gadgets until hair is about 70-75% dry and your hair will probably be just fine.
  • mycurlytressesmycurlytresses Posts: 275Registered Users
    Thank you. I think I am going to start with 10 minutes under the hooded dryer on warm and gauge from there how long it takes my hair to dry. I am so looking forward to summer. :)

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  • mycurlytressesmycurlytresses Posts: 275Registered Users
    Epic fail. 10 minutes resulted in a helmet like appearance and this was on warm heat. I had to spray my hair with water (ugh) and managed to salvage with a headband so it at least appears I did this hairstyle on purpose. Guess I am stuck with forever wet hair. :(

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  • CalendulaCalendula Posts: 60Registered Users
    Oh no! I'm sorry to hear it didn't work. I LOVE my hooded dryer. It makes my hair dry quickly and without frizz. But mine is longer than yours and maybe not quite as curly.
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  • KorkscrewKorkscrew Posts: 1,834Registered Users
    I'm not sure if this will completely work, but, you can try first placing a damp paper towel on the top of your head before placing it under the dryer. That is what the Deva stylists I go to do.

    It could also be that your hair needs some additional moisture prior to drying. So, question: Do you use a LI conditioner?
  • mycurlytressesmycurlytresses Posts: 275Registered Users
    I use Ology as my leave in. I don't rinse it out. When I air dry my hair is well moisturized...took a few months to get to this point of daily moisture. I seal with EVOO. I will try the paper towel. Something has to give. It was 8 degrees this morning. I know icicles had to be forming in my hair. I can't get second day hair...too smooshed to my head and steam from the shower can only do so much. I sleep with a satin bonnet. I am doing what the CG book said but I guess everyone's hair is different and no matter how great the method...sometimes you have to do what works for you. I am finding this out.

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  • mycurlytressesmycurlytresses Posts: 275Registered Users
    Here's my hair. I think I am 3c. Heck I don't know. Lol

    I tried the porosity test of the hair in the water...some sunk but some floated so who knows what porosity my hair is. I know this is trial and error. I will be happy when I get a routine down.

    Right now I pre poo with V05 champagne silk conditioner; cowash with Tresseme Naturals jojoba and coconut conditioner (rinse out completely because it doesn't play friendly with Eco Styler gel); use Ology cucumber and white pear as my leave in; seal with EVOO; and use Eco Styler with argan oil as my styler.

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  • Morgan_AdcockMorgan_Adcock Posts: 2,573Registered Users
    Even Lorraine Massey was conflicted and a little wishy-washy about thermal drying w/the CG routine. First, she militantly decreed that hair dryers were death to hair (She called them "hair fryers"). Then she switched up her position and started making big bucks off of her hand-shaped dryer contraption.

    Really? Check out page 36 of the original edition of Curly Girl. Lorraine Massey was advocating the use of a diffuser, if you don't have time to air dry, even then, well before she came out with the DevaFuser.
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  • mycurlytressesmycurlytresses Posts: 275Registered Users
    See my post above, I tried the diffuser....my hair doesn't get even partly dry after 30 minutes. My hair scoffs at it. I have watched several YouTube videos just to make sure I was using it correctly and I am....my hair just hates it.

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  • KorkscrewKorkscrew Posts: 1,834Registered Users
    I think you're so right about no one approach to hair being right for everyone (Massey's included). Also, that float test (for porosity) is useless IMO, from my experience.

    The one thing I noticed - and I'm unsure it's even related to your problem drying your hair - is that you're using a rinse out conditioner and then you are layering a lot of different products: applying LI, then following that up w/EVOO, then Eco Styler and then more oil (argan). So I have a question about that (And please don't take offense to it if I'm not speaking directly to your experience):

    What do you want your hair to look like once it's dry - are you actually going for a kind of "wet look", without it actually looking wet?

    I ask because sometimes people w/ultra curly hair have curls that look one way when wet, but another way (tighter curl pattern and less defined) once dry, which is normal for them. But then excessive product is applied to try and make it stay wet looking. Then, the minute the weather changes too drastically or a dryer is applied, the curl does exactly what it wanted to naturally do in its dry state: curl up more. Just raising this question because of the extreme nature of your complaint, because if this is the case, it's an uphill battle that can't be consistently won and the answer could be more about accepting the hair's natural curl pattern when dry.
  • mycurlytressesmycurlytresses Posts: 275Registered Users
    No offense taken. The argan oil is actually in the Eco Styler (it's just the version of the Eco Styler I use). I have tried the blue (less hold and my hair laughed), the crystal (clear one...no good), and the olive oil (flat locks). I found it odd that my hair didn't respond well to the Eco Styler with olive oil since it seems to be the only natural oil I can use. I tried grapeseed oil and my hair was flat as a board and this was using it at night sparingly and co-washing in the morning. The look I'm going for is frizz-free. I have found that I have to use the leave-in, olive oil, and Eco Styler to achieve frizz-free. If I leave out any steps....my hair lets me know. It looks like a hot mess! I've tried to use less (believe me) that would be easier but, unfortunately, my hair just has a mind of it's own. I envy those people who can use conditioner only. I've even been tempted to use brands with silicones just to see if my hair might respond better with less products but I don't want to lose any progress I've made (been CG since I big chopped). I researched before I cut my hair to know what to do. I started getting relaxers around age 8 or 9. I was 40 before I went natural (41 now). Better late than never. :happy8: I tried the diffuser again using a suggestion I found somewhere on here to let the diffuser sit for at least 2 minutes in each area before moving. Again, epic fail. It makes my hair hard and frizzy (just an ugly look). Maybe it's the diffuser. I use the one that came with the dryer. Maybe a larger diffuser might work better or maybe this is just my hair's way of telling me to suck it up and get used to air drying.

    I appreciate everyone's help. I'm new to the curly world (on my head). My daughter is natural (refused to put a relaxer in her hair). She has beautiful curls that respond to conditioner only (she's so lucky and doesn't even appreicate it in her 11-year-old world; but she will later thus why I won't let her relax her hair). :laughing5:
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  • KorkscrewKorkscrew Posts: 1,834Registered Users
    Even Lorraine Massey was conflicted and a little wishy-washy about thermal drying w/the CG routine. First, she militantly decreed that hair dryers were death to hair (She called them "hair fryers"). Then she switched up her position and started making big bucks off of her hand-shaped dryer contraption.

    Really? Check out page 36 of the original edition of Curly Girl. Lorraine Massey was advocating the use of a diffuser, if you don't have time to air dry, even then, well before she came out with the DevaFuser.

    Thanks Morgan, I'll check that out. I don't want to misinform.
  • KorkscrewKorkscrew Posts: 1,834Registered Users
    Mycurlytresses, I can relate to the Eco Styler fail. I can't use Eco Styler in any form, including the one w/olive oil. I think it's all the glycerin.

    When excessive stylers are used but over time the hair still doesn't have the kind of "hold" that's desired, or the "frizz control" that's desired ... and especially if after all that, a diffuser - which is a pretty mild current of air - still drastically changes the behavior of your curls from their wet to dry state, the desired look might not be compatible with the way the hair itself wants to naturally behave in its dry state. ... Someone else may come along w/a better explanation though. If I'm wrong and the look you want is achievable, I think that will be fantastic.
  • Nappy_curly_crownNappy_curly_crown Posts: 4,162Registered Users
    Ok you are using a lot of ecostyler, which has a lot of glycerin in it. Glycerine heavy products typically don't fair well in most people's hair in such cold dry temperatures. Also, glycerine tends to hold on to water, which might explain the long dry time. I will say this (and no offense meant) but at the length and density of the hair pictured, there no way it should take you 9 hours to air dry. I think it's the product choice. I have really super super thick dense hair and I can diffuse in 20-30 min. Air drying does take almost an entire day, especially in the winter when the air is dry and can't really absorb much moisture.

    There are other gels or even creme products on the market that work similar to ecostyler but might help the dry time. Are you opposed to trying new products? I noticed that most of the products you mentioned are drugstore products. Are you opposed to online products or products at a slightly higher price point? I don't want to recommend products if they are out of your price interest range.
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  • mycurlytressesmycurlytresses Posts: 275Registered Users
    No offense taken. Even when I had below shoulder length relaxed hair it would take all day and sometimes into the next day to air dry (without product). My choice for stylers is limited because I am allergic to aloe vera which seems to be in almost everything. :(

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  • Nappy_curly_crownNappy_curly_crown Posts: 4,162Registered Users
    Have you tried Fantasia IC? They have several formulas and I think it might be aloe Vera free. I prefer it to ecostyler...dries faster and has a less crunchy hold but still gives you freeze free hair.

    You can also try making a "pudding" with the ecostyler by adding Shea butter or and heavy oil to it...so that when you apply it, it will help it dry under the dryer with less crunch and hold. I like to mix my gels like ecostyler with conditioner which when applied on top of my leave in balances out the crunch of the gel and prevents it from drying hard. Trader joes nourish spa I believe is aloe free..just google for the ingredients.

    I love the curl junkie brand because they have some really good gels that give you hold w/o the helmet hair and the long dry time. You don't have to slather them on either so even though they are expensive, they last for quite a while.

    Hope this helps you!
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  • KorkscrewKorkscrew Posts: 1,834Registered Users
    Okay, I just took a peek at the pic of yourself on your profile page and noticed two things: First, you are very pretty :)

    Second, your dry hair in that pic looks A LOT different than the pics of your wet hair pics above. Looks to me like you may have mostly type 4 hair that just looks somewhat more 3-ish when wet (most hair looks less curly when wet). Either way, maybe NCC's product change suggestions can help improve the condition of your hair if it turns out glycerin is somewhat of a problem for you.
  • mycurlytressesmycurlytresses Posts: 275Registered Users
    Thank you. The pic on my profile was when I first cut my hair six months ago and I can't figure out how to change it. Lol

    The pics I posted on here was when my hair was completely dry (yeah I know it looks wet). :-) It took me six months of CG to get this moisture. Thus why I am scared to tamper to much with other hair products. :-/

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  • mycurlytressesmycurlytresses Posts: 275Registered Users
    No, I haven't tried Fantasia. I live in an area where I am lucky just to find the Eco Styler. I use Ology conditioner in my hair (no rinsing out) before I put the Eco Styler in...following the CG DVD that came with the second edition of the book. I will look online to see how much it costs...usually shipping costs is what stops me. I mixed shea butter and coconut oil tonight (using as a pre poo). If it doesn't cause limp locks I might try it as my leave-in.

    Thanks to you both for your suggestions. :-)

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  • KorkscrewKorkscrew Posts: 1,834Registered Users
    Your welcome. I know what you mean about getting hair into a routine and then being hesitant to change it. For me though, if my hair no longer seems to be responding the same way to my products, I experiment a little to see if my hair is "asking" for something new ;)
  • mycurlytressesmycurlytresses Posts: 275Registered Users
    Ok, I am trying something new today. I didn't use regular conditioner as my leave-in. I have some Shea Moisture curling milk that was sitting under my sink. I used that as my leave-in and then used a small amount of gel. I don't know why I chose today because I have business meeting at 1:00 (crazy). LOL
    I am hoping that since the milk isn't as thick that it will cut down on drying time. Just praying this works. :-)

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  • kathymackkathymack Posts: 9,999Registered Users
    Your hair may not be long enough to consider using curl towels to cut down on dry time, but it's worth a try. Many of us us Curls Like Us Curl Cloths - CurlMart You could try using a cotton tee shirt or flour sack towel to help squeeze out some of the water.

    Nappy_curly_crown (who is looking incredible these days, I might add) made a good suggestion about trying other products. I know that my hair prefers the more natural products from the online, boutique type companies. Usually, a little goes a long way--which makes them more cost effective then it appears.

    The other thing to try is rotating products. My hair has always satiated on product--even back in my shampoo/conditioner only days. I wet, use a rinse out and style every day. Seldom let myself use a product more then every five days.
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  • mycurlytressesmycurlytresses Posts: 275Registered Users
    Thank you. I have bookmarked the link for the towels. My daughter will be excited. She hates using t-shirts. :-)

    I am happy to report my hair is 95% dry in less than 7 hours. Improvement!! I will take that over the 9 hours with some wet spots!! No frizz either. Yay!! I guess this means I need to use actual leave-ins as my leave-in versus conditioners (like my Ology)? This natural hair journey has been interesting, to say the least. I had to switch up my routine from summer and big chop to the Ology and now this. I may alternate products like you said. I do love this Shea Moisture Coconut & Hibiscus curling milk with the gel. By itself my hair looked blah.

    I will be on the lookout for the Fantasia gel and pray there's no aloe in it.

    Thanks everyone!!

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  • mycurlytressesmycurlytresses Posts: 275Registered Users
    So excited! My hair dried faster and even better it dried extremely soft with no crunch. Hooray. And to think this all started with a diffuser. Lol

    Thanks all!! :-)

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  • Nappy_curly_crownNappy_curly_crown Posts: 4,162Registered Users
    Yea! I'm glad it worked out for you! You'll find that as your hair gets longer you might have to tweak things here and there. Just the nature of the curly beast.

    And thanks for the complement KM!
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  • SpiralSpunkSpiralSpunk Posts: 243Registered Users
    Hi, your hair is very pretty does indeed look frizz free in those pics.

    My hair looked similar when it was short and also had the same issue of it being wet forever. I didn't experiment with using a cloth or diffuser then.
    I just accepted that it would be wet for a long time and I'd have to restyle in the morning (squished helmet curls that couldn't be refreshed).

    Also Eco styler just doesn't work for me, I used it back then, but now realize it was probably the issue. I'm glad you found something that works!

    And you mentioned the oil being in the gel, but you are using an actual oil to seal, right? Just wanted to clarify because the amount of oils in the gel probably aren't enough to do much.
  • mycurlytressesmycurlytresses Posts: 275Registered Users
    Yea! I'm glad it worked out for you! You'll find that as your hair gets longer you might have to tweak things here and there. Just the nature of the curly beast.

    And thanks for the complement KM!

    This hair journey has been anything but boring. Funny how finicky our hair can be. Hope this regimen works for a while. :)


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  • mycurlytressesmycurlytresses Posts: 275Registered Users
    Hi, your hair is very pretty does indeed look frizz free in those pics.

    My hair looked similar when it was short and also had the same issue of it being wet forever. I didn't experiment with using a cloth or diffuser then.
    I just accepted that it would be wet for a long time and I'd have to restyle in the morning (squished helmet curls that couldn't be refreshed).

    Also Eco styler just doesn't work for me, I used it back then, but now realize it was probably the issue. I'm glad you found something that works!

    And you mentioned the oil being in the gel, but you are using an actual oil to seal, right? Just wanted to clarify because the amount of oils in the gel probably aren't enough to do much.

    Yes I use olive oil to seal. I have tried grapeseed oil but it weighed my hair down. My hair loves the olive oil. :)

    Oh, I finally learned how to use the diffuser on my hair. I only diffuse for 10 minutes but now my hair dries in four hours versus six (nine hours prior to Shea Moisture). I have to use medium heat on high speed holding it away from my hair at a downward angle. I can't hold it next to my hair like other people. Also I found a way to get second day hair on my twa. I massage coconut oil in my hair sparingly, spritz with water, cover with a plastic cap, and then cover with my satin bonnet. My hair stays moisturized and not smooshed to my head. :)

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