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Seriously though: why are there so few humectant free gels?

I feel like there is a high demand for them. Plenty of curlies live in arid climates. Also it's wintertime right now which means that curlies all over the country (and northern hemisphere) are dealing with low dews. What gives? I mean I love my kinky curly curling custard and the price isn't a problem because, for moi, a little goes a long way, but there should be a cheaper alternative you could pick up at Walgreens.
3A - C, HP, ME, HD. (Coarse, High Porosity, Medium Elasticity, High Density.)

CG since Nov. 2012

Poos: SM Moisture Retention + Yucca Baobab, TJ's Tea Tree Tingle
Condish: TJ 'sTea Tree Tingle*, SM Moisture Retention* + Curl & Shine + Yucca Baobab, Yes to Blueberries
Stylers: KCKT*, SM Curl Enhancing Smoothie* + Curl & Style Milk*, KCCC*, FSG*, CJ Pattern Pusha, Curl Keeper
Sealers: Jojoba* or Grapeseed* oil

* = HG

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  • rmc2rmc2 Posts: 349Registered Users
    Duaalocks, not being able to use humectants (ie glycerin) in winter and/or dry weather is a MYTH. Google it. I live in the Wash DC Metro area where it has been freezing cold lately, and still have no problems using products with glycerin. Explanation is clearer online but my quick reason is that so long as your hair is well moisturized with water in the first place, the glycerin will be "well fed" and too full to pull that moisture (which it can't find in the air) of your hair. To refresh hair on no wash days, I use my bottle spray filled with water to revive my curls.
  • Aqua_LilyAqua_Lily Posts: 557Registered Users
    ^Thanks for the advice, but the majority of people have no idea about that or what glycerin even is. It still doesn't explain why there is nearly always glycerin in gels etc because it gives problems when the dew point is either high or low...
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    3A/2C M iii med por, high elast

    HGs:
    Clarify: Nivea
    Lo-poo: Nature's Gate
    CW: Elvive Volume Collagen
    RO: EO Keratin, Desert Essence Raspberry

    LI: Elvive volume collagen, KCKT
    Seal: Grapeseed oil
    Gel: Studioline

    PT: EO Keratin co
    DT: RO+oils
    Hairgrowth stim.: JBCO+EVCO


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  • elizardelizard Posts: 284Registered Users
    I live in Dc too and I can't use glycerin right now. I have better results with kccc like you, but FYI aloe is a humectant.
    2b/c wavy modified CG since July 2012
    medium texture, normal porosity, normal elasticity
    hair likes protein, doesn't like oils, easily OC'd

    low poo: JCHCC, CJGCS
    RO/co-wash/LI: YTCarrots, DB Pumpkin Seed
    stylers: a bunch of stylers that are all pretty much the same (KCCC, UFDCM, CRCM, CKCJ) or ArcAngel if I need more hold
    DT/PT: CJRM, CNPF
  • Jas76Jas76 Posts: 2,283Registered Users
    LAL Power Spikes is glycerin free! (At least I'm 99% sure it is!)

    And it's really cheap, and available at drugstores!
    2c/3a/3b, Fine/med, Dense, high porous, & normal elas.

    Lo-poo - Renpure Keratin, SMR, Giovanni SaS
    clarifying - mix Johnson's H2T with low poo
    Co-wash - Suave Nats. clar. or coco.
    RO - GVPCB, Ion Eff. Care, TN.
    LI - SMR, Cure Care, or RO
    Seal - MO or Jojoba
    DT - + honey, ACV, & EVOO to SM masque & GVPCB
    PT - Gelatin!, CNPF
    Styling - FSG, AIF, BRHG, LALS/PS, GF curl spray gel, SM Souffle/Smoothie, LOOB
    Oils - MO!, EVOO, jojoba, GSO, SM Elixer, EVCO, VO5 Hairdressing
  • MarciMarci Posts: 225Registered Users
    Jas76 wrote: »
    LAL Power Spikes is glycerin free! (At least I'm 99% sure it is!)

    And it's really cheap, and available at drugstores!

    Yep, this is dirt cheap, huge bottle, and works wonders for me in Miami humidity. I think a lot of curlies are afraid of the high protein content thou.
    2C-3A MBL layered
    Medium/fine texture, high density, normal porosity and elasticity. Dry climate.


    Cleanse: SM MR, YTC
    Hydrate: Joico Kpak,DevaCurl OC
    Style: AG reCoil, LALSG




  • Jas76Jas76 Posts: 2,283Registered Users
    Oh. See, my hair adores protein so I never even think about that.

    However I can't say I get many "protein-y" effects from it. It still might be worth a try.
    2c/3a/3b, Fine/med, Dense, high porous, & normal elas.

    Lo-poo - Renpure Keratin, SMR, Giovanni SaS
    clarifying - mix Johnson's H2T with low poo
    Co-wash - Suave Nats. clar. or coco.
    RO - GVPCB, Ion Eff. Care, TN.
    LI - SMR, Cure Care, or RO
    Seal - MO or Jojoba
    DT - + honey, ACV, & EVOO to SM masque & GVPCB
    PT - Gelatin!, CNPF
    Styling - FSG, AIF, BRHG, LALS/PS, GF curl spray gel, SM Souffle/Smoothie, LOOB
    Oils - MO!, EVOO, jojoba, GSO, SM Elixer, EVCO, VO5 Hairdressing
  • anonymous_133347anonymous_133347 Posts: 1,426Registered Users
    rmc2 wrote: »
    Duaalocks, not being able to use humectants (ie glycerin) in winter and/or dry weather is a MYTH. Google it. I live in the Wash DC Metro area where it has been freezing cold lately, and still have no problems using products with glycerin. Explanation is clearer online but my quick reason is that so long as your hair is well moisturized with water in the first place, the glycerin will be "well fed" and too full to pull that moisture (which it can't find in the air) of your hair. To refresh hair on no wash days, I use my bottle spray filled with water to revive my curls.

    I tend to style with my leave in first, then squeeze out excess moisture, then put in gel. Maybe if I applied the glycerin gels to my hair when it is sopping wet and change things around? :neutral: I'm not sure. (Hey I lived in DC metro area once too! But only for three months and during the summer.) Anyways I will have to google it and experiment more. It just seems that every time I use a gel with glycerine and especially if I leave it in for more than a day (don't wash the next) my hair gets so dry. But it might just be that the protein content in these gels (argan ecostyler, devacurl) might be over-strengthening my coarse hair. The reason why I thought it was the glycerin is one time on day three hair I went to wash it and my hair was so dry and tangled and awful feeling. I went back and looked at the dew points and they'd been extra low those three days. I've experimented since with these products on days in which it was raining and the dew point was higher. Not as bad but there was a discernible difference in comparison to days in which I style with my BFF, kinky curly curling custard. Oh man. I wish I had a hair twin who could do all these tests for me.
    3A - C, HP, ME, HD. (Coarse, High Porosity, Medium Elasticity, High Density.)

    CG since Nov. 2012

    Poos: SM Moisture Retention + Yucca Baobab, TJ's Tea Tree Tingle
    Condish: TJ 'sTea Tree Tingle*, SM Moisture Retention* + Curl & Shine + Yucca Baobab, Yes to Blueberries
    Stylers: KCKT*, SM Curl Enhancing Smoothie* + Curl & Style Milk*, KCCC*, FSG*, CJ Pattern Pusha, Curl Keeper
    Sealers: Jojoba* or Grapeseed* oil

    * = HG

  • anonymous_133347anonymous_133347 Posts: 1,426Registered Users
    elizard wrote: »
    I live in Dc too and I can't use glycerin right now. I have better results with kccc like you, but FYI aloe is a humectant.

    Is it now? See this is why I love coming on here. My hair seems to like aloe. I just bought some aloe juice (per rmc2's advice) and am going to try it out as a gel. We'll see.
    3A - C, HP, ME, HD. (Coarse, High Porosity, Medium Elasticity, High Density.)

    CG since Nov. 2012

    Poos: SM Moisture Retention + Yucca Baobab, TJ's Tea Tree Tingle
    Condish: TJ 'sTea Tree Tingle*, SM Moisture Retention* + Curl & Shine + Yucca Baobab, Yes to Blueberries
    Stylers: KCKT*, SM Curl Enhancing Smoothie* + Curl & Style Milk*, KCCC*, FSG*, CJ Pattern Pusha, Curl Keeper
    Sealers: Jojoba* or Grapeseed* oil

    * = HG

  • rmc2rmc2 Posts: 349Registered Users
    Dusalocks, I meant aloe Vera gel not juice. yesterday I used a revised formula which i like: 3 tbsp aloe Vera gel and 1 tbsp jojoba oil and 1 1/2 tsp
    Glycerin. The latter made my hair 100% crunch free. without it you may have a bit (although not major) of crunch. I know some of you hate glycerin during the winter but my hair loves it. Trick is to make sure there is enough Moisture (water) in your hair to prevent the glycerin from drying hair.
  • RizosMioRizosMio Posts: 141Registered Users
    rmc2 wrote: »
    Duaalocks, not being able to use humectants (ie glycerin) in winter and/or dry weather is a MYTH. Google it. I live in the Wash DC Metro area where it has been freezing cold lately, and still have no problems using products with glycerin. Explanation is clearer online but my quick reason is that so long as your hair is well moisturized with water in the first place, the glycerin will be "well fed" and too full to pull that moisture (which it can't find in the air) of your hair. To refresh hair on no wash days, I use my bottle spray filled with water to revive my curls.
    I agree, there isn't any actual proof that glycerin absorbs moisture from the hair.

    What probably happens is that (depending on the weather/product application/our porosity, etc) our hair is not moisturized enough before we step out, so glycerin doesn't have a chance to behave as it should from the get-go.

    Before leaving the house, try steaming your hair. Or create a moist environment by running the hot shower for a bit to allow the glycerin product to bind to the steam. If you just dislike glycerin in general, try making your own gel. All you need is flaxseed and water :wink:
  • rbbrbb Posts: 4,210Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    i can only tell how my hair reacts to glycerin in low dews, and it's bad!! (however, i need to add that it also must depend on the formulation of the product because there are one or two that i can us, cj honey butta is one of them).

    for glycerin-free gels the two that i use are curl junkie pattern pusha gel (i scrunch it in after my hair is dry) and LALSG, but even tho i use leave in, there is something in lalsg that tends to dry out my hair. btw, cj pp is also protein free. another glycerin-free gel is curl junkie curl queen.

    3a, some 2c & 3b, medium texture, porosity normal, low elasticity :-(
    washing/cowashing, conditioning, protein tx: curl junkie products
    leave in:curl junkie conditioners and treatments as leave in
    styling: curl junkie 
    sealants - jane carter nourish & shine
  • kathymackkathymack Posts: 9,999Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    I live in the Philly suburbs, but also have a house in WV about an hour west of DC--so am in similar climate(s.) I don't have any issues with glycerin despite the really low (-6 last week) or high dewpoints in both of these areas. For me, the trick is to use a REALLY rich (moisturizing product) on soaking wet hair prior to adding jelly type product (no chemicals, especially polyquats.) Last week, in the really low dewpoints, I used minute amounts of DTs as my first product on--it worked really well.
    3a (Corkicelli), highlighted, fine, low porosity
    SE PA

    HGs: Anything Sevi; Curly Kinks Satin Roots, Curlycue ReNew and Coil Jam; homemade FSG and okra gel; soap bars; UFD Curly Magic; Botanical Spirits Jellies, CJ Repair Me, Aloe Fix
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  • rmc2rmc2 Posts: 349Registered Users
    KathyMack, happy to see we think alike regarding glycerin!
  • anonymous_133347anonymous_133347 Posts: 1,426Registered Users
    You know it might be that I reapply a bit of diluted gel the day afterwards to fix second day hair and that may be drying it out. But I don't like having to rewet my entire head in the morning if I can help it. I can dampen it. . . It's cold out there! (And I live in Southern California.) What do you guys do to "fix" second day hair using gels with glycerin? Do I have to reapply leave in then gel because I think I've tried that too and it was still extra dry when I went to shower eventually. (Again, I realize it may be the protein drying me out and I have to experiment more.) Since I found out about them I'm trying to avoid products with polyquats now. At least in excess. So I'm not using my devacurl gel too frequently. I may give it to a friend. I just don't like the idea of plastic or synthetic derivatives in my hair since, if they are anything like silicones, it makes me hair matted, frizzy, and not so shiny.
    3A - C, HP, ME, HD. (Coarse, High Porosity, Medium Elasticity, High Density.)

    CG since Nov. 2012

    Poos: SM Moisture Retention + Yucca Baobab, TJ's Tea Tree Tingle
    Condish: TJ 'sTea Tree Tingle*, SM Moisture Retention* + Curl & Shine + Yucca Baobab, Yes to Blueberries
    Stylers: KCKT*, SM Curl Enhancing Smoothie* + Curl & Style Milk*, KCCC*, FSG*, CJ Pattern Pusha, Curl Keeper
    Sealers: Jojoba* or Grapeseed* oil

    * = HG

  • kathymackkathymack Posts: 9,999Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    I've wet my hair every day for as long as I've won it curly--about 33 years, I think. Started using products in '07 when I started lurking on nc.com. I always went to work with wet hair, even when it was REALLY cold out (and I live outside of Philly.)

    My hair prefers the more natural products from the online, boutique type companies.
    3a (Corkicelli), highlighted, fine, low porosity
    SE PA

    HGs: Anything Sevi; Curly Kinks Satin Roots, Curlycue ReNew and Coil Jam; homemade FSG and okra gel; soap bars; UFD Curly Magic; Botanical Spirits Jellies, CJ Repair Me, Aloe Fix
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
  • rmc2rmc2 Posts: 349Registered Users
    Dusalocks I only apply water to 2nd day etc hair. I dont apply more gel. I use a spray bottle and use just enough water to allow me to be able to shake my 4a curls to revive them. Maybe I use no more than 4 tbsp worth of water. I myself don't mind going out with wet hair regardless of weather. Anyhow I get in my car and my 45-60 minute ride with heat on (if cold) helps dry hair. But if you have longer hair and/or type 3 and below, it may behave differently. Not sure though
  • rmc2rmc2 Posts: 349Registered Users
    I Cowash wednesday and Saturdays and refresh the other days with my water spray
  • ltdeforrestltdeforrest Posts: 61Registered Users
    I don't have quite the same hair properties as you, but I will share my experiences with glycerin. I live in the Pacific Northwest and it is currently rainy and cold. I find that even if I use a deep conditioner as a leave in on my dry hair, I still cannot use anything with glycerin! If I do, it feels okay at first, but by the end of the day my hair is super dry and tangly. Yesterday it rained all day and I tried a new curl cream (mop-c curl defining cream) which I bought because it didn't have glycerin listed on the ingredients on the website. When I received it in the mail, glycerin is listed about halfway down in the ingredients. I was so bummed but decided to try it since it has such great reviews. My hair felt fine in the morning, but was soooooo dry by the end of the day. Aloe seems to be fine on my hair so I don't know yet if I have to avoid all other humectants or not. I also have found that I have to be careful about which proteins I use. My hair likes keratin best, although soy is ok as well. I also find that my hair tolerates it best if I only use it in a product I rinse out. I can't leave anything in my hair that has protein unless it's VERY far down on the ingredient list and I can't do that more than once a week. I usually low poo every 2 or 3 days so I suppose if I didn't use shampoo I might have to avoid it altogether. I love the new Evercurl Hydracharge leave in cream, but it has the a-cone in it and the fragrance is almost too strong for me. It is the only product in that line (other than the oil) that is glycerin free. I use it about once a week and always get good results.
    3a, baby fine i/ii, low to normal porosity, protein sensitive
    Mod CG since 5/12, from rainy Western WA:toothy2:
    dislikes: glycerin, wheat protein :pukel:
    Likes: moisture, Mag Sulfate
    Poo: Elucence Moisture Acidifying Shampoo
    Cond: CJCR, DB pumpkin seed, TJ TTT, Elucence MB
    Protein: one & only Argan oil hydrating mask
    LI: JC WDT
    Style: UFD curly magic, Sweet Curls Elixers flax seed cream and HHG (Etsy)
  • rmc2rmc2 Posts: 349Registered Users
    Itdeforrest, hmm! Interesting. Have u considered using Flax seed gel (FSG)? There are various recipes online but one uses a ratio of 4 tbsp FS to 2 cups water. You can add ie 1 tbsp jojoba oil to it. Looks like you may need to "seal" hair with an oil to prevent the moisture from leaving your hair. Good sealants include jojoba, sweet almond, sawflower and grapeseed oil. Maybe you should experiment with applying this on top of whatever you are now using to see if it makes a difference.
  • anonymous_133347anonymous_133347 Posts: 1,426Registered Users
    I feel like now I need to find a protein free glycerine gel just to try and rule out the protein sensitivity. . . My coarseness is giving me a hairache.

    I am going to look into this cj pattern pusha gel then. Protein and glycerine free. Such a find.

    Kathymack, I suspect my hair likes more natural products (and boutique-y type) products too. Because my brain does, so that's why I need to get on that FSG. :salut:

    So apply glycerine to hair when it is sopping wet and with steam. Right out of the shower then. I can try that and then scrunch out the excess moisture or plop afterwards. But don't reapply a glycerine laden gel to damp or dry hair? ? ?
    3A - C, HP, ME, HD. (Coarse, High Porosity, Medium Elasticity, High Density.)

    CG since Nov. 2012

    Poos: SM Moisture Retention + Yucca Baobab, TJ's Tea Tree Tingle
    Condish: TJ 'sTea Tree Tingle*, SM Moisture Retention* + Curl & Shine + Yucca Baobab, Yes to Blueberries
    Stylers: KCKT*, SM Curl Enhancing Smoothie* + Curl & Style Milk*, KCCC*, FSG*, CJ Pattern Pusha, Curl Keeper
    Sealers: Jojoba* or Grapeseed* oil

    * = HG

  • kathymackkathymack Posts: 9,999Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    dusalocks wrote: »

    So apply glycerine to hair when it is sopping wet and with steam. Right out of the shower then. I can try that and then scrunch out the excess moisture or plop afterwards. But don't reapply a glycerine laden gel to damp or dry hair? ? ?

    I apply all products to soaking wet hair after I get out of the shower. I don't apply anything after my initial layering of products. For me, that guarantees a frizzy, bad hair day.
    3a (Corkicelli), highlighted, fine, low porosity
    SE PA

    HGs: Anything Sevi; Curly Kinks Satin Roots, Curlycue ReNew and Coil Jam; homemade FSG and okra gel; soap bars; UFD Curly Magic; Botanical Spirits Jellies, CJ Repair Me, Aloe Fix
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
  • Morgan_AdcockMorgan_Adcock Posts: 2,573Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    ... not being able to use humectants (ie glycerin) in winter and/or dry weather is a MYTH. Google it.

    I found your comment interesting. So I took your advice, and Googled it.

    First result This supports the argument that in low dew points glycerin will suck moisture out of the cortex of your hair.

    The second result is the page on the same site that the first result took me to.

    The third result is a short conversation on CurlTalk, which then links to the article above.

    The fourth result again yields the information that when there is little water in the air, humectants will pull it out of hair. So, not a myth.

    The fifth result takes me to information about glycerin being counterproductive in high dew points because it can draw too much moisture. So not relevant to this discussion.

    The sixth result states that "If you can avoid most of them (which can be difficult) you’ll do a lot to help keep moisture in your hair." It also links to this article on NaturallyCurly.com, and cites this quote:

    "In extremely low-humidity conditions, such as a cold, dry winter air, there is no appreciable amount of water in the air for the humectant to attract to the surface of the hair. In this particular type of climate, the best one can hope for with most traditional humectants is for them to prevent evaporation of water from the hair into the environment. Also, under these circumstances, there is some risk of the humectant actually removing moisture from the cortex of the hair itself, creating the problem it was intended to prevent."

    So, again, this does not support your contention that humectant use is irrelevant in low dew points. I could go on, but there's a definite trend here.
    Peace,
    Morgan

    Baby Fine 3B, low porosity, normal density and elasticity
    CGing since July 2008
  • anonymous_133347anonymous_133347 Posts: 1,426Registered Users
    I also googled it and wasn't able to find the exact link yet (more bad dew point stuff like morgan) but found something off this one site (I wish I'd bookmarked it) about how good glycerine is at retaining moisture, which made me think maybe I'm just using it incorrectly. . . I'm hopeful. Glycerine's in everything so I'd like to be able to get along with it.

    :duckie::duckie::duckie::duckie:


    All right so I'm adding this because I thought on it some more and did another google search with a more specified query. This time I landed on this link, but I'm skeptical of its claims because it's by oyin and, naturally, they'd say this because they want to sell their products:

    Why It’s Okay to Use Glycerin In Winter | Black Girl with Long Hair

    Also, why would I apply my glycerine gel or products before a shower? That would rinse them out. Maybe they're alluding to the supersoaker method.

    Then there was this:

    The Glycerine Dilemma | Savvy Brown

    which confused me with the part about it being 70 degrees out and having to watch out for alcohols. I wasn't sure whether they meant the glycerine or other alcohols. . .

    And this:

    Hair Tip of The Day- The Truth About Glycerin | Curly Nikki | Natural Hair Styles and Natural Hair Care

    which made me feel hopeful again. I think I'll have to just tinker with my styling technique.

    then

    This which actually says glycerine can help your hair grow:

    Glycerin for Hair Growth | eHow.com

    (Color me skeptical on that one. I think hair growth is genetic but influenced by diet probably first and foremost. Retaining length and stopping breakage is a different story.)

    This which goes on about the virtues of ky jelly (of all things!) for your hair. FYI natural haven is actually the site in which I found good things about glycerine earlier this week:

    THE NATURAL HAVEN: Glycerin: Good Stuff in a funny form!

    And this:

    Is Glycerin Good for Your Hair?

    which kind of makes me think glycerine is a bit of a tricky devil again.

    So end result:

    :dontknow:

    Not sure. I'll have to keep at it.
    3A - C, HP, ME, HD. (Coarse, High Porosity, Medium Elasticity, High Density.)

    CG since Nov. 2012

    Poos: SM Moisture Retention + Yucca Baobab, TJ's Tea Tree Tingle
    Condish: TJ 'sTea Tree Tingle*, SM Moisture Retention* + Curl & Shine + Yucca Baobab, Yes to Blueberries
    Stylers: KCKT*, SM Curl Enhancing Smoothie* + Curl & Style Milk*, KCCC*, FSG*, CJ Pattern Pusha, Curl Keeper
    Sealers: Jojoba* or Grapeseed* oil

    * = HG

  • anonymous_133347anonymous_133347 Posts: 1,426Registered Users
    I apply my leave in to sopping wet hair, but I prefer to apply my gel after scrunching out excess moisture. Not exactly damp hair but maybe halfway towards drying. I guess I'm lucky. My hair hasn't seen frizz since I've gone CG. But I'll try doing it you guys' way first and then plopping.
    3A - C, HP, ME, HD. (Coarse, High Porosity, Medium Elasticity, High Density.)

    CG since Nov. 2012

    Poos: SM Moisture Retention + Yucca Baobab, TJ's Tea Tree Tingle
    Condish: TJ 'sTea Tree Tingle*, SM Moisture Retention* + Curl & Shine + Yucca Baobab, Yes to Blueberries
    Stylers: KCKT*, SM Curl Enhancing Smoothie* + Curl & Style Milk*, KCCC*, FSG*, CJ Pattern Pusha, Curl Keeper
    Sealers: Jojoba* or Grapeseed* oil

    * = HG

  • Morgan_AdcockMorgan_Adcock Posts: 2,573Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    What glycerin and other humectants do is draw moisture to themselves. The traditional thinking is that if the humectant is in direct contact with hair, it will draw water to itself, and the hair in contact with it will be the first to benefit from excess water the humectant absorbs. Up to a point, that's right. However, the evidence shows that humectants will first and foremost maintain a minimum amount of water in the humectant, and that if the amount of water in the air (which is what dew point indicates) goes too low for it to draw moisture from the air, it will actually draw that moisture from hair it is in contact with, drying out the hair.

    It's science: just the facts, ma'am.
    Peace,
    Morgan

    Baby Fine 3B, low porosity, normal density and elasticity
    CGing since July 2008
  • rmc2rmc2 Posts: 349Registered Users
    Morgan I do not agree with you. My thinking is that so long as there is enough moisture aka water mixed with the glycerin (in my case by way of applying that glycerin containing product on soaking wet hair), the glycerin like a
    sponge that is oversaturated will be "fed" and unable to absorb/steal more water from the hair. So the added moisture/water in hair will be "left alone.". You put a sponge in water. It will absorb water up to a point. After it is saturated, it cannot absorb more water. I use my glycerin products even in winter (Wash DC) and do not have a problem. On refresh days I just spray hair with water to revive the curls. My favorite products for my 4a hair (mid neck length if stretched) are Hawaiian Silky Curl Activator (glyc is 2nd ingredient) for "unnatural" product 0) and 3 tbsp aloe Vera gel or flaxseed gel mixed with 1 tbsp jojoba or almond oil and 1 1/2 tsp glycerin.
  • rmc2rmc2 Posts: 349Registered Users
    I meant either the Hawaiian curl activator (my favorite unnatural product) or my fsg/avg recipe (my favorite natural
    product).
  • anonymous_133347anonymous_133347 Posts: 1,426Registered Users
    rmc2, I don't doubt for a second what you say is true and that your hair is healthy and has no adverse reactions to glycerine in your stylers.

    Morgan and the rest of you guys, same there. I don't doubt that it dries your hair out like heck. But I can't rule out the possibility that maybe I, personally, wasn't applying it correctly.

    I'm going to try and see if I can make glycerine work for me. Maybe the best way to experiment would be to go out and buy pure glycerin and dilute it, then try to style. Anybody know of a (cheap) protein free glycerine styler so I can rule out the protein sensitivity as a possible contributor? Or I may just try doing a protein treatment and seeing if my hair gets frazzled. If it does, I'm protein sensitive. If it doesn't, I ain't. Then I could just experiment with my argan ecostyler again . . . :thumbup:
    3A - C, HP, ME, HD. (Coarse, High Porosity, Medium Elasticity, High Density.)

    CG since Nov. 2012

    Poos: SM Moisture Retention + Yucca Baobab, TJ's Tea Tree Tingle
    Condish: TJ 'sTea Tree Tingle*, SM Moisture Retention* + Curl & Shine + Yucca Baobab, Yes to Blueberries
    Stylers: KCKT*, SM Curl Enhancing Smoothie* + Curl & Style Milk*, KCCC*, FSG*, CJ Pattern Pusha, Curl Keeper
    Sealers: Jojoba* or Grapeseed* oil

    * = HG

  • rmc2rmc2 Posts: 349Registered Users
    Dusalock why don't you try my homemade recipe but skipping the glycerin. What is your type of hair. Why don't you try aloe vera gel (3 tpsp) mixed with 1 tbsp jojoba or sweet among oil ..... Also Check Curls Creme Brûlée at Target. May be but I am not sure glycerin and protein free.
  • anonymous_133347anonymous_133347 Posts: 1,426Registered Users
    rmc2 wrote: »
    Dusalock why don't you try my homemade recipe but skipping the glycerin. What is your type of hair. Why don't you try aloe vera gel (3 tpsp) mixed with 1 tbsp jojoba or sweet among oil ..... Also Check Curls Creme Brûlée at Target. May be but I am not sure glycerin and protein free.

    I will! Just as soon as I finish drinking my aloe juice because I bought the wrong thing. :laughing6: And I'll check out Curls Creme Brulee. What a yummy name. It hope it smells as good as it sounds. . .
    3A - C, HP, ME, HD. (Coarse, High Porosity, Medium Elasticity, High Density.)

    CG since Nov. 2012

    Poos: SM Moisture Retention + Yucca Baobab, TJ's Tea Tree Tingle
    Condish: TJ 'sTea Tree Tingle*, SM Moisture Retention* + Curl & Shine + Yucca Baobab, Yes to Blueberries
    Stylers: KCKT*, SM Curl Enhancing Smoothie* + Curl & Style Milk*, KCCC*, FSG*, CJ Pattern Pusha, Curl Keeper
    Sealers: Jojoba* or Grapeseed* oil

    * = HG

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