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Tired of Hair..Should I Relax? (PICS INCLUDED)

Hi everyone, I am new to this site but I am grateful I found it! I am a latina girl with unmanagable, thick and frizzy hair. I am not sure what my hair type is (2b maybe?). I have never dyed or relaxed my hair but I do straighten it with a flat iron 4 times a month. I do not have the greatest hair care routine (I wash with head&shoulders and use any cheap conditioner then put a leave-in conditioner).

I saw some youtube videos about the "just for me relaxer" so I bought it. I want to have hair that takes less time to straighten and is not so puffy/frizzy when I air dry. Should I use the relaxer I bought to solve my hair problem?

I have included pics of me after shampooing then conditioning and air drying after.
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  • Aqua_LilyAqua_Lily Posts: 557Registered Users
    But you have such beautiful curl potential :( I can see it!

    Relaxing severly damages your hair.

    Why not give the Curly Girl method a try? ^^ Many of us reduced our frizz and enhanced our curl amazingly. And it's so healthy for your hair.
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  • MissJennaMissJenna Posts: 28Registered Users
    I don't have much time to invest in a time consuming hair care routine. I want minimal maintenance and be able to wash and go and not worry about my hair looking like a poodle on rainy/humid days.

    If I relax, I am not sure how much damage it will cause to my hair but it will probably be better than flat ironing.

    I do like wearing my hair curly on several occasions but most of the time, I like straight hair.
  • Aqua_LilyAqua_Lily Posts: 557Registered Users
    No, relaxing is far more damaging than heat.

    Relaxing breaks the hair bonds and the damage can never be repaired.
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  • anonymous_133347anonymous_133347 Posts: 1,426Registered Users
    MissJenna wrote: »
    I don't have much time to invest in a time consuming hair care routine. I want minimal maintenance and be able to wash and go and not worry about my hair looking like a poodle on rainy/humid days.

    If I relax, I am not sure how much damage it will cause to my hair but it will probably be better than flat ironing.

    I do like wearing my hair curly on several occasions but most of the time, I like straight hair.

    Hey if you want to relax you can relax. Sounds like you already made your mind up so maybe you asked because you were wondering if it was okay to do it at home. I don't care what the gals on youtube say, I would not try it. My aunt relaxed her hair at home and it all fell out. Not kidding. My friend did it and it turned her hair into a frizzy mess of sticks. She wound up having to cut it short for it to be presentable. I'd rather go get it done in a salon even though it's more expensive. Just be aware that it's permanent. And you'll have to maintain it because the curly time clock is always a-ticking. But you're right it'd give you a head start and you could always flat iron the roots. So no biggie. Hair grows back. A year-two years depending on the person. I'd say try it if you're curious but read up and be aware of the pros and cons. I second aqua_lily's point. You are breaking the bonds of your hair and damaging it, even though it may look nice afterwards. I was this close to relaxing my hair a year ago because I was sick of the time spent straightening it, but my friend who is a doctor and whose family owns a salon advised me not to. She showed me pictures of her mother who used to have her hair relaxed (in a salon) and how after this one treatment she lost so much hair. Hers never grew back. That scared me straight. I mean curly. Not saying that would ever happen to you because plenty women relax their hair without that happening. But there's always the what if.

    As for your hair right now, girl, my hair looks just like yours. I mean exactly when I brush it out. It is a frizzy poofy bush and then some. But I also see your curl potential. As for the CG method, I never spend more than 10 minutes a day on my hair. Ever. I promise. I also exercise regularly and for me wearing my hair curly is easier because I'm not having to constantly restraighten it. Double promise, pinky swear. Also the products I'm using are relatively inexpensive and mostly drugstore. Being curly does not mean high maintenance. If anything it's the opposite.

    You do what you gotta do! But I'd rather go to a professional and have a straightening consultation than chance it at home. It's just too scary knowing what I know and seeing what I've seen.
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  • dee-naturedee-nature Posts: 630Registered Users
    Aqua_Lily wrote: »
    But you have such beautiful curl potential :( I can see it!

    Relaxing severly damages your hair.

    Why not give the Curly Girl method a try? ^^ Many of us reduced our frizz and enhanced our curl amazingly. And it's so healthy for your hair.
    +1 i think once you try the cg method it eventually will make maintenance easier but you have to put in the time to see those results. I find it works best for people above 4 hair type



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  • MissJennaMissJenna Posts: 28Registered Users
    I just really want to see how my relaxed hair turns out. I am going to do a test strand and leave it on for only 5 min since I do not want to overprocess my hair. It might turn out ok, but I will never know if I don't try.

    If I like how it turns out then I will get it done professionaly.

    I am not sure what the CG method is? Can someone please explain it to me? Also, I am still unsure about my hairtype! HELP!

    Thank you for your responses everyone! It's all good advice!
  • seamelody14seamelody14 Posts: 282Registered Users
    Aqua_Lily wrote: »
    No, relaxing is far more damaging than heat.

    Relaxing breaks the hair bonds and the damage can never be repaired.

    It's also very damaging to the scalp. CG doesn't have to be any more time consuming than your regular routine, for me it's MUCH faster than doing what I used to do, which was flat ironing also.
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  • seamelody14seamelody14 Posts: 282Registered Users
    MissJenna wrote: »
    I just really want to see how my relaxed hair turns out. I am going to do a test strand and leave it on for only 5 min since I do not want to overprocess my hair. It might turn out ok, but I will never know if I don't try.

    If I like how it turns out then I will get it done professionaly.

    I am not sure what the CG method is? Can someone please explain it to me? Also, I am still unsure about my hairtype! HELP!

    Thank you for your responses everyone! It's all good advice!

    If you're just curious, I say don't do it. I say that because I've had many urges I do things like that with color, have regretted it, and had to bleach back. Damage sucks. What's worse is that a relaxer is permanent, and there's no going back except for growing it out. I strongly urge you try CG, give it a chance before deciding I relax. If you google the CG method there is a lt of helpful information out there about it. Once you get the hang of it and understand how it works you don't need to follow it to a t, but it should help a lot.
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  • anonymous_133347anonymous_133347 Posts: 1,426Registered Users
    MissJenna wrote: »
    I just really want to see how my relaxed hair turns out. I am going to do a test strand and leave it on for only 5 min since I do not want to overprocess my hair. It might turn out ok, but I will never know if I don't try.

    If I like how it turns out then I will get it done professionaly.

    I am not sure what the CG method is? Can someone please explain it to me? Also, I am still unsure about my hairtype! HELP!

    Thank you for your responses everyone! It's all good advice!


    Honey, it's so easy. You only need to know the basics to start off with. However, after a while you might start hanging out at the boards like I am because I feel like I learn something new everyday. It's really fun! But if you're a wash and go sort of person like I am, this is a good starting point.

    Go to this guide:

    Dorm Room Curly: All in One Guide for the Curly Girl Method

    and this one:

    How to Follow the Curly Girl Method for Curly Hair: 15 steps

    Check out this site which is the absolute BEST to determine your hair's properties:

    Live Curly Live Free - Home

    That is where you'll learn or at least be able to guesstimate whether your hair is fine or medium or coarse, porous or not, and how strong you elasticity is. Since you've been flat ironing for a while, that may have altered some of your hair's properties and made it more porous or less elastic. You'll see what I mean when you read.

    Live Curly Live Free - Curly Hair Basics

    Go check out hair routines. I do something sort of similar to this:

    Curly Hair Styling Routine 2012 - YouTube

    only it's shorter because I use just leave in and styling gel. I also don't plop mostly because my hair, even though it's long and thick, dries quickly. I just scrunch out excess moisture with a microfiber towel. Also, if you are still using a terrycloth towel switch to using an old t-shirt (you don't need to buy a microfiber towel since I use my t-shirt just as often) to dry your hair immediately! That will really help decrease frizz.

    ex of plopping I threw in:

    Plopping Revisited (Long Sleeved T-shirt Method) - YouTube

    If you like, you can go read The Curly Girl Handbook by Lorraine Massey which is how I got started. Quick read. Read it in an hour I think. But most of the information in that book you can get online.

    Yeah I know I keep throwing waterlily716 at you but she's one of the first things that comes up when you google the curly girl method and since your hair look similar to mine if I brush it out and my hair looks similar to hers when I style it I figured I'd save you the trouble.

    Curly Girl basics playlist:

    Curly Hair Basics - YouTube


    For me, I had more fun these past 2 months discovering my natural hair texture was not bushy and frizzy but pretty and shiny than I've ever had styling it straight. And I look great with straight hair since my hair is thick and looks so even when straightened. I got lots of compliments. But for some reason, the compliments I'm getting now that I'm curly mean so much more. Because it's actually me they're complimenting. It's like if someone were to compliment you on your green eyes if you knew you were wearing colored contacts. Wouldn't feel as good, you know?

    ...

    I'm reading the other people's responses and I hope you don't think we're collectively shooting down relaxing altogether. It's just that this is a forum at a site called naturally curly so it's safe to assume that the majority of us have been in your shoes before in which we had undefined frizzy hair that we flat ironed and blew out regularly. And then we eventually found success in managing our hair. I didn't give up sulfates until five years ago. I didn't give up silicones until five minutes ago. But my hair is adapting very fast even though I used to style it the way you did. I love my natural hair now, which like I said, means more to me than loving my staightened hair. Nevertheless, I guess you'll never know until you try. (That goes for CG too!) And chemical treatments are something everybody dabbles in at some point or another. Some regret it, some don't. Hair should (if it isn't botched!) grow back. It's only as big a deal as you make it out to be. I know people who have relaxed all their lives. Started when they were three or four! But then their hair fairly short and prone to breakage. So that is why I'd rather pay more, have a good consultation, and go with a reputed professional who has excellent reviews. That is all I'm saying. You do whatever you like because it's your hair. I don't want to come off as over zealous. I just get really excited about hair nowadays. I know it's silly, but I'd really like for everyone else to be excited about their natural hair too.
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  • JessiebananaJessiebanana Posts: 940Banned Users
    I wouldn't do it. You hair is already so straight. I would get a good heat protectant and flat iron and just flat iron it every few days.
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  • Lucky CharmLucky Charm Posts: 1,250Registered Users
    I would strongly suggest you try the CG method and avoid the flat iron and relaxers. The above links are a great start! I had a professional relaxer done years ago, my normally strong hair was left weak and brittle -and it didn't even work that well. Your hair looks similar to mine if I brush it out when dry.
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  • MarciMarci Posts: 225Registered Users
    Girl don't do it! I relaxed my 3A hair once. It was a terrible mistake and took me years to grow it out. Give CG a change like other ladies have suggested. Just eliminating sulfates has been enough for some people (like my mom). I use ALL drug store products, and I love my hair and how healthy it is.
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  • EricachristinaEricachristina Posts: 496Registered Users
    It sounds like you are pretty set on using the relaxer but like most posters I wouldn't do it. Relaxers causes damage and since your hair seems to be a bit dry and frizzy you may already have some damage from the heat so why damage it further? If you get the relaxer and it damages your hair in the end you will be left with worse hair than before and it will take longer to restore your hair when you do decide that you want your hair to live up to its full potential.
    It is possible for you to have shiny, healthy, soft curls but you need to follow some of the advice on here and start taking steps to have better hair. If I wanted my hair to look better I wouldn't be looking for a relaxer I would be looking for a healthy solution.
  • KilajoKilajo Posts: 786Registered Users
    If you want to relax, then relax. No biggie. Go for it!

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  • Cristy_amkCristy_amk Posts: 171Registered Users
    I'm replying "No" from experience. I got tired of my curly hair. I wanted something different. I also made a big mistake. ONE PERSON told me I looked younger and my hair looked nicer when it was straight. I took one compliment and one moment of weakness to go from occasionally flat ironing to going all the way and doing a relaxer. Now, I will admit I did an at home relaxer. The results were fine. Not spectacular just fine. Did it allow me to stop flat ironing my hair? No! It maybe made it a bit easier but I did not achieve super sleek hair by any means. Let's face it, when your hair is damaged, you can't expect to do more damage, and the results to be good.

    Still, I didn't regret doing it. Not right away. I enjoyed getting up in the morning and having straight hair. I ran my fingers through the strands and didn't have to deal with knots and tangles. Every morning though I had to flat iron to touch up. Stylists assured me that one solid flat ironing session would be enough to seal the hair...wrong! So here I am every day STILL flat ironing my hair after having a relaxer. After doing this for a few months I noticed that even when I got a haircut within 2 weeks my ends were fragile looking and dry. I started applying all kinds of products to the ends trying to minimize the damage. Eventually I didn't even care about the damage I just wanted my hair to look nice again!

    About 6 mths ago I went to get my haircut and the girl who did my hair had long straight hair. The back was really kind of flyaway though and honestly didn't look so good (like she went for beachy and missed the mark completely...sorry I know that sounds rude) Anyway it was just so dry and lifeless and when we started discussing hair straightening she mentioned how frequently she ironed her hair. Everyday. Sometimes a few times a day for touch ups. I began to wonder if she even realized in her quest for straightness how bad it was actually looking??? Again, I'm not trying to be rude honestly! This was just the moment that I realized maybe I looked the same! I could see my ends for sure, maybe the back was a wreck too and I wouldn't even know! She cut my hair, did a flat iron, and it looked fine coming out of the salon. The current damage had been cut off, but it was the same boring look.

    I never looked back from there. I went home, washed my hair, and let it air dry. The next day for work I worked with it a little trying to encourage the curl. I wasn't very successful but even so I had several people approach me and gush over my hair! Even on my worst day they were complimenting me on how nice it looked! From there I've been babying my hair back to life.

    It's been a struggle. The damage from the relaxer is still there. I went from a strong curl pattern to a loose wave. My hair also doesn't respond to products as well as it used to. It's a process but I'm loving my curls again.

    I think the whole point of my long post is just to say....don't make a permanent decision on a temporary whim.
  • seamelody14seamelody14 Posts: 282Registered Users
    Also wanted to add, since you already have a loose curl pattern, if you are really set on making it straighter/smoother, consider a BKT. Much less (if any) damage, and not permanent.
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  • MissJennaMissJenna Posts: 28Registered Users
    If I were to relax my hair, I would not do it bone straight so I guess it won't be so damaging. Also, I will only straighten my hair about 4 times a month. The rest of the time, I will wash it, put some products and let it air dry.

    To me, that sounds less damaging than straightening my hair everyday. But maybe I am wrong. Please let me know what you think.

    Again, thank you all for your responses. This site is awesome. So happy I found it!!!
  • MojoDojoMojoDojo Posts: 702Registered Users
    From experience, don't relax it!

    I went from very thick hair to very thin hair in one shot, it took years to recover. And it took years with me not relaxing it.

    I think you could easily wear it wavy, you just have to do it right. The CG method is a good place to start, a lot of people gave good info on it.

    If you REALLY want it straight, I'd invest in a good heat protectant first. Then a shower cap so you only have to do it once every few days.
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  • JessiebananaJessiebanana Posts: 940Banned Users
    Also relaxing isn't just bad for hair, which is dead anyway so who really cares, it's also bad for you scalp. Relaxer is one of the harshest chemicals we accept as normal to put anywhere near our bodies.
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  • seamelody14seamelody14 Posts: 282Registered Users
    MissJenna wrote: »
    If I were to relax my hair, I would not do it bone straight so I guess it won't be so damaging. Also, I will only straighten my hair about 4 times a month. The rest of the time, I will wash it, put some products and let it air dry.

    To me, that sounds less damaging than straightening my hair everyday. But maybe I am wrong. Please let me know what you think.

    Again, thank you all for your responses. This site is awesome. So happy I found it!!!

    It'll still be very damaging. Flat ironing isn't nearly as bad, especially since you can use heat protectant. Honestly I used to flat iron my hair all the time and the damage was almost nonexistent compared to when I ha it chemically straightened
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  • seamelody14seamelody14 Posts: 282Registered Users
    Also relaxing isn't just bad for hair, which is dead anyway so who really cares, it's also bad for you scalp. Relaxer is one of the harshest chemicals we accept as normal to put anywhere near our bodies.

    This. Look up pictures of relaxer scalp burns/damage. Lye (or the replacement chemicals in no-lye relaxers) can dissolve a body. Seriously. I knew a kid in HS who got chemicals burns and was hospitalized and had to get skin grafts because he spilled lye on himself and didn't wash it off.
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  • Wurly_GirlWurly_Girl Posts: 41Registered Users
    HI!
    It looks like you have 2c-3a curl type that became frizzy after having brushed (you brushed your hair in those pics, isn't it? :)).
    I second the previous advices about giving Cg a try, i think your coarse and dense hair will get great benefits ;)
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  • MissJennaMissJenna Posts: 28Registered Users
    Your right, my hair is brushed out in the first photos I posted. If I don't brush it out, you can see the curls and it is less frizzy and puffy but after brushing it out, the curls are looser but it is huge and puffty.

    These are pictures of me after I shampooed+conditioned my hair. When wet, I only ran my fingers through it and put 4 different type of products! (garnier leave in, ic fantasia serum, aloe vera gel, then tresemme moose-in that order). I let it air dry.


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    If I don't soak it with hair products, it becomes so poofy and curly. But after putting so much products, it feels gunky and looks dull. Also, I am a university student on a budget so I don't have so much money for lots of hair products. It frizzes up horribly in humid/rainy weather even if I use a lot of products. It frizzed up horribly at school today and it was so embarassing so I ended up putting it in a pony tail and wore my hoodie.

    This is why I want to texlax it! I won't use as much products and it won't frizz up so bad in humid weather.
  • SandiSandi Posts: 364Registered Users
    MissJenna wrote: »
    Your right, my hair is brushed out in the first photos I posted. If I don't brush it out, you can see the curls and it is less frizzy and puffy but after brushing it out, the curls are looser but it is huge and puffty.

    These are pictures of me after I shampooed+conditioned my hair. When wet, I only ran my fingers through it and put 4 different type of products! (garnier leave in, ic fantasia serum, aloe vera gel, then tresemme moose-in that order). I let it air dry.


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    2laakog.jpg


    If I don't soak it with hair products, it becomes so poofy and curly. But after putting so much products, it feels gunky and looks dull. Also, I am a university student on a budget so I don't have so much money for lots of hair products. It frizzes up horribly in humid/rainy weather even if I use a lot of products. It frizzed up horribly at school today and it was so embarassing so I ended up putting it in a pony tail and wore my hoodie.

    This is why I want to texlax it! I won't use as much products and it won't frizz up so bad in humid weather.

    There's no guarantee that your hair won't frizz in humid weather. My relax/texlaxed hair was so damaged/dry that it acted up awfully in humid weather. Ironically, my naturally curly hair loves the humidity and rain. I used more products when my hair was relaxed, because it was low porosity and never stayed straight (relaxer didn't hold well), and it frizzed horribly.

    But really, it becomes really a game of experience. You still sound skeptical, so you can relax your hair if you really want to, but those against relaxing are just warning you of possible side-effects. Also, I definitely recommend having someone else doing it if you're doing a home relaxer...

    And you definitely don't need that many products. While I think your hair looks awesome in the first pic, you're right in that for most, that amount of product is a little too much. I usually have 1-2 products in my hair at once, and it's my leave-in and a few drops of sealing oil. I kind of know what my hair likes now, so it's not really that difficult, nor is it a very time-consuming process. It's a matter of getting to know your hair.

    But really, whatever you think will work. It was much cheaper/low maintenance for me to go curly.

    P.S. I'm a bit confused why you posted such a thing in a forum that is known to be a haven of natural curlies. It's kind of obvious that most of the advice that you'd get is to not relax your hair...
    Hair Type: 3c/4a, Coarse, Med-High Density, Med-Low Porosity
    Curly since '09
  • MojoDojoMojoDojo Posts: 702Registered Users
    Have you tried putting your products in your hair when it's really wet (still in the shower wet)?

    I found I needed less products and even when I did use more, plopping my hair (you can google a tutorial it's really easy and you can multi task as well) tends to get rid of the gunky feeling.
    I AM THE NEANDERTHAL SLAYER!!!
  • rainboerainboe Posts: 284Registered Users
    If you want to cut down on products you buy, you can try multitasking with your products. I use my regular conditioner as my leave in, and I know other people do too. Also, I'm not sure if you need a serum, aloe gel, and a moose. Like, that's a lot of stylers. Have you tried cutting one or two of them out, and uping the amount of ones you us? Like, especially serum usually makes my hair feel gunky, so maybe you could try styling without that and just use the gel and moose. Especially if you use your normal conditioner as a leave in, because that would be more moisturizing and help your hair with frizz.
    Fine Texture, Normal Porosity, Normal Elasticity. Dyed to brown a few months ago.
    Lowpoo: Trader Joe's TTT Shampoo
    Rinse Out:
    Yes to Carrots, AOHR, Aubrey Organics Rosemary Peppermint
    LI: Yes to Carrots
    Stylers: Shea Moisture Curl Enhancing Smoothie, LA Looks Sports, Suave Professionals Captivating Curls Whipped Mousse
  • KorkscrewKorkscrew Posts: 1,834Registered Users
    It's a no-brainer. Relaxer=more damage and dryer hair. Simply swapping your Head n Shoulders for a non-sulfate shampoo=softer curls with definition. Then you can go from there (if you even need anything after you've been doing that for a few weeks).

    As someone said, a relaxer will NOT reduce frizz necessarily. I can testify to that. Also, just leaving it on for 5 minutes is the equivalent to a "texturizer", still harsh on hair. In my "former life", when I texturized, it made my hair feel rough in places.
  • anonymous_133347anonymous_133347 Posts: 1,426Registered Users
    MissJenna wrote: »
    Your right, my hair is brushed out in the first photos I posted. If I don't brush it out, you can see the curls and it is less frizzy and puffy but after brushing it out, the curls are looser but it is huge and puffty.

    These are pictures of me after I shampooed+conditioned my hair. When wet, I only ran my fingers through it and put 4 different type of products! (garnier leave in, ic fantasia serum, aloe vera gel, then tresemme moose-in that order). I let it air dry.


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    If I don't soak it with hair products, it becomes so poofy and curly. But after putting so much products, it feels gunky and looks dull. Also, I am a university student on a budget so I don't have so much money for lots of hair products. It frizzes up horribly in humid/rainy weather even if I use a lot of products. It frizzed up horribly at school today and it was so embarassing so I ended up putting it in a pony tail and wore my hoodie.

    This is why I want to texlax it! I won't use as much products and it won't frizz up so bad in humid weather.

    I understand. I hated my frizz and wanted to relax my hair too. Been there, done that. Not the relaxing, but the hair loathing. Now I don't have much frizz if any. I get a little in the mornings when I wake up with is easily fixed/soothed and a little when I exercise or move around that's also super fixable. I realize the majority of curlies will always have frizz to some extent but most people here will attest they were able to get rid of the bulk of it just by learning how to properly moisturize and style their hair. It might just be your product and styling regimen that's keeping your hair from looking its best. If I tried to style my hair curly before I usually had lots of frizz at the canopy and bushy waves that turned into curly tendrils a quarter of the way down, similar to yours although I don't think your hair looks as bad as mine did back in the day. Yours is actually quite pretty and those pictures are nice. It's a sign your hair isn't so damaged from the styling it straight.

    So first off I think you mentioned Head & Shoulders shampoo. I have to warn you I've heard such bad things about Head & Shoulders and how it can actually create more dry scalp and drier hair than help it. If you're going to switch one product in the shower, I recommend switching to a gentler shampoo. Next too many products (especially hair serums that are full of silicones) will leave your hair feeling gunky, even if it doesn't look it. I personally detest moose in my hair. It also has a volumizing effect and hello, I've got a lot of hair, a lot of poof, what do I need volume for? I suspect you just need a good leave in and a decent gel (since your curls are loose and need protection in order to not lose their shape.) You also need to implement a few things to encourage your hair to clump into pretty ringlets, which will help with volume.

    For instance, make sure the last time you run a wide-toothed (so important! but I'm sure you know) comb through your hair is when you're in the shower, with conditioner and your hair is sopping wet. That's the only time you ought to detangle, and you should do it gently if you can. When you get out, try putting a light leave in. A bit of your regular conditioner should suffice. You want your hair to have the consistency of seaweed. Smooth it on. Then you can either put in gel when your hair is sopping wet or damp. I prefer the latter for me. My hair dries very quickly anyways so more often than not I don't have a choice. (My hair is high porosity so even though it is thick moisture leaves it quickly.) I smooth the gel on and scrunch it up. In between my leave in and gel I tend to scrunch out excess moisture with an old t-shirt. . . Maybe I mentioned my general routine before. I'm not sure. The reason I bring up reducing volume and poof again is yesterday I tried an experiment in which I raked in (finger combed) my products post shower. No dice! It was so not good. My hair was huge again because my curls were too skinny. In order to reduce volume you've got to let your hair clump. Honestly my hair is typically half even a third the size it used to be.

    As for the reason you asked, I think you were just curious about people's experiences in general regarding relaxing. I'm sure any women out there who did have a good experience relaxing are probably hanging out on a different site but there is a section here in the curltalk discussion board about retexturizing and relaxing that you can go to. I'm not sure how active it is but I'd go there and post because women are probably knowledgeable and they'll share what worked for them. :thumbup:

    If you really want to wear your hair straight, I recommend you keep flat ironing. It's not so bad actually. Use a quality flat iron, try to keep out of the 400 degree zone (although I never followed that rule. . . which is why my hair might be worse for the wear), and always use a heat protectant. A light hair serum which you gloss on the surface of your hair afterwards should keep the frizzies at bay. Then try to go at least three days before you flat iron again to prevent excess heat damage. Get a roomy shower cap so you can shower and not get your hair wet and mess it up. Be super careful when you exercise. Clip and pin it up. I would ice drink water during my workouts so I wouldn't get sweaty while exercising and mess up my hair. Also get regular trims to cut out old damaged hair and keep the cycle going. . . So 45 minutes straightening every few days, it was okay for me. It's just easier curly.
    3A - C, HP, ME, HD. (Coarse, High Porosity, Medium Elasticity, High Density.)

    CG since Nov. 2012

    Poos: SM Moisture Retention + Yucca Baobab, TJ's Tea Tree Tingle
    Condish: TJ 'sTea Tree Tingle*, SM Moisture Retention* + Curl & Shine + Yucca Baobab, Yes to Blueberries
    Stylers: KCKT*, SM Curl Enhancing Smoothie* + Curl & Style Milk*, KCCC*, FSG*, CJ Pattern Pusha, Curl Keeper
    Sealers: Jojoba* or Grapeseed* oil

    * = HG

  • Wurly_GirlWurly_Girl Posts: 41Registered Users
    Hi!
    Did you try to put leave ins on soaking wet hair (before remove the excess of water with the cloth)?
    You can read my routine in my signature, i use few product, maybe you are still in search of your fav :occasion5:

    You could need only 4 or 5 products:
    1) light conditioner
    2) heavy conditioner (with butter or oils in it)
    3) mild shampoo
    4) flax seed gel homemade

    1) is for CW and for the styling, 2) for deep treatment and for styling, 3) to use once a week if you want and 4) for styling instead of gel and mousse.
    Curl Pattern: 2c-3a
    Porosity: medium
    Density: thin
    Width: fine
    Lenght: short (jaw-lenght)
    2013 haircut: 1/25/2013; 07/04/2013

    Routine: modified CG
    CW: cone free and protein free conditioners
    DT: homemade sheabutter hair creme /Hydraderm sheabutter hair mask+coconut oil+lecitin
    Styling before diffusing FSG with hydrolized keratin
    Once a month (or every 2 months): henna
  • Wurly_GirlWurly_Girl Posts: 41Registered Users
    MojoDojo wrote: »
    Have you tried putting your products in your hair when it's really wet (still in the shower wet)?

    I found I needed less products and even when I did use more, plopping my hair (you can google a tutorial it's really easy and you can multi task as well) tends to get rid of the gunky feeling.

    I suggested the same thing but i didn't notice you did it before me :)
    Sorry!
    Curl Pattern: 2c-3a
    Porosity: medium
    Density: thin
    Width: fine
    Lenght: short (jaw-lenght)
    2013 haircut: 1/25/2013; 07/04/2013

    Routine: modified CG
    CW: cone free and protein free conditioners
    DT: homemade sheabutter hair creme /Hydraderm sheabutter hair mask+coconut oil+lecitin
    Styling before diffusing FSG with hydrolized keratin
    Once a month (or every 2 months): henna
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