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Olefin sulfoconate vs. traditional sulfate

I've been looking into this ingredient and the word is it's pretty harsh. Harsher than a traditional sulfate. Then again, I think it would vary from person to person because some reportedly think it's gentler. I'm curious as to everyone's feelings on the subject.

I tried Trader Joe's Tea Tree Tingle Shampoo the other day as a clarifying shampoo and my hair felt pretty stripped afterwards. (I babied it back with some EVOO but it took some TLC.) I think it would be okay to use again provided I pre poo beforehand. It contains "C12-14 olefin sulfonate". I'm thinking that's what might've stripped it and not the cocobetaine.

Also my mom (a wavie) is a big fan of the Organix Coconut Shampoo. It says sulfate free, but it contains Sodium C 14 16 Olefin Sulfonate. Because she loves the product so much I mentioned it to a wavie friend. This friend purchased it and in two washes she says it severely stripped her hair color. I can vouch for this. I saw her hair just last week. It is now three shades less bright. :banghead:

So what's the verdict--more harsh, less harsh? Is there a low poo out there that contains just cocobetaine that I could use for clarifying? (I won't need to clarify anytime soon but I might as well be prepared.)
3A - C, HP, ME, HD. (Coarse, High Porosity, Medium Elasticity, High Density.)

CG since Nov. 2012

Poos: SM Moisture Retention + Yucca Baobab, TJ's Tea Tree Tingle
Condish: TJ 'sTea Tree Tingle*, SM Moisture Retention* + Curl & Shine + Yucca Baobab, Yes to Blueberries
Stylers: KCKT*, SM Curl Enhancing Smoothie* + Curl & Style Milk*, KCCC*, FSG*, CJ Pattern Pusha, Curl Keeper
Sealers: Jojoba* or Grapeseed* oil

* = HG

Comments

  • JessiebananaJessiebanana Posts: 940Banned Users
    All my experiences point to it being harsher, but like anything quantity used is important too.

    I wouldn't rule it out for your mother. I think many 2 people can treat their hair as if were straight.
    3C/Fine to Medium/Low Porosity/High Density

    :love5:MoistureMoistureMoisture:love5:

    Low Poo: CJ Gentle Cleansing Shampoo
    RO/DC: DB Pumpkin Seed Curl Moisturizing Conditioner
    LI: CJ Smoothing Lotion
    Styler: Queen Helene Sculpturing Gel & Glaze

    No Salts, No Waxes, No Butters, No Heavy Oils
    No ACV, No Saponified Oils, Protein Sensitive
  • seamelody14seamelody14 Posts: 282Registered Users
    More harsh in my experience, at least more than the gentler sulfates
    2a/b
    medium/thick
    high porosity (from coloring)

    Shampoo: Mop Top Gentle Shampoo
    Co-wash: Chistophe Robin Lemon Cleansing Cream
    RO: CJ strengthening, Kenra moisturizing
    LI: Jessicurl Aloeba
    DT: CJ rehab, Christophe Robin Prickly Pear Mask
    PT: SS protein treatment, Ouidad 12 minute
    Stylers: Jessicurl RR, SS Firm Hold Gel
    Oils: caudalie, sweet almond
  • anonymous_133347anonymous_133347 Posts: 1,426Registered Users
    All my experiences point to it being harsher, but like anything quantity used is important too.

    I wouldn't rule it out for your mother. I think many 2 people can treat their hair as if were straight.

    Yes, I know! It is so not fair. I've seen my mom in the past use super harsh sulfates everyday and no styling product whatsoever and her hair always looked lovely. It is just as thick and bushy as mine but at least it doesn't try to escape her head. Instead it lies flat but with lots of body. Although I should say that now that I've gone CG she is terribly jealous of my curls so it just goes to show that the grass is always greener on the other side.

    Do you happen to know of any gentler low-poos for color treated hair that I might recommend for my poor friend? I feel like buying her one since I inadvertently stripped her color.
    3A - C, HP, ME, HD. (Coarse, High Porosity, Medium Elasticity, High Density.)

    CG since Nov. 2012

    Poos: SM Moisture Retention + Yucca Baobab, TJ's Tea Tree Tingle
    Condish: TJ 'sTea Tree Tingle*, SM Moisture Retention* + Curl & Shine + Yucca Baobab, Yes to Blueberries
    Stylers: KCKT*, SM Curl Enhancing Smoothie* + Curl & Style Milk*, KCCC*, FSG*, CJ Pattern Pusha, Curl Keeper
    Sealers: Jojoba* or Grapeseed* oil

    * = HG

  • anonymous_133347anonymous_133347 Posts: 1,426Registered Users
    More harsh in my experience, at least more than the gentler sulfates

    Since I'm looking at your signature, I guess I'll check out this mop top shampoo... Something tells me I may only be able to purchase it online though. Oh how I wish they carried all these lovely curly brands in stores.
    3A - C, HP, ME, HD. (Coarse, High Porosity, Medium Elasticity, High Density.)

    CG since Nov. 2012

    Poos: SM Moisture Retention + Yucca Baobab, TJ's Tea Tree Tingle
    Condish: TJ 'sTea Tree Tingle*, SM Moisture Retention* + Curl & Shine + Yucca Baobab, Yes to Blueberries
    Stylers: KCKT*, SM Curl Enhancing Smoothie* + Curl & Style Milk*, KCCC*, FSG*, CJ Pattern Pusha, Curl Keeper
    Sealers: Jojoba* or Grapeseed* oil

    * = HG

  • seamelody14seamelody14 Posts: 282Registered Users
    Yeah, unfortunately I'm pretty sure this is online only :(

    A good on-the-ground option is Shea Moisture.
    2a/b
    medium/thick
    high porosity (from coloring)

    Shampoo: Mop Top Gentle Shampoo
    Co-wash: Chistophe Robin Lemon Cleansing Cream
    RO: CJ strengthening, Kenra moisturizing
    LI: Jessicurl Aloeba
    DT: CJ rehab, Christophe Robin Prickly Pear Mask
    PT: SS protein treatment, Ouidad 12 minute
    Stylers: Jessicurl RR, SS Firm Hold Gel
    Oils: caudalie, sweet almond
  • squalenesqualene Posts: 8Registered Users
    Sodium C14-C16 Olefin Sulfonate is supposed to be more gentle than C12-C14, and I don't doubt it for a second, but I haven't actually compared the two myself or anything.
    I do know both are more harsh than SLES, which actually isn't so bad as people make it out to be. I personally prefer it as my scalp had issues with a lot of milder stuff. Yes, issues, very bad ones.
    Compared to SLS, it should be similar or slightly milder. Of course, formulation is key...
    If you're going to try either I'd go for the C14-C16.
  • Corrina777Corrina777 Posts: 3,193Registered Users
    I generally have issues with this ingredient, but I've found that, as with anything, formulation makes a huge difference. As long as there are lots of moisturizing ingredients it's not too bad. I believe it's in my AG Curl Activating Shampoo and hasn't given me any issues, but I beyond hated it when I used Kinky Curly Come Clean.
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
    3a/f/iii
    Modified CG since 11/5/11
    CLEANSE: CJ Daily Fix, DevaCare No-Poo, CHS Treatment Shampoo
    RO: SS Caitlin's Conditioner, CJ Beauticurls Strengthening
    LI: SS Repairing Protein Treatment, CHS Silk Leave-In
    STYLE: Re:Coil, Curl Keeper, Deva Ultra Defining Gel, Curls Rock Amplifier,Sweet Curls Elixirs Okra Gel and Hard Hold Gel, SS Curl Enhancing Jelly and Firm Hold Gel
  • anonymous_133347anonymous_133347 Posts: 1,426Registered Users
    squalene wrote: »
    Sodium C14-C16 Olefin Sulfonate is supposed to be more gentle than C12-C14, and I don't doubt it for a second, but I haven't actually compared the two myself or anything.
    I do know both are more harsh than SLES, which actually isn't so bad as people make it out to be. I personally prefer it as my scalp had issues with a lot of milder stuff. Yes, issues, very bad ones.
    Compared to SLS, it should be similar or slightly milder. Of course, formulation is key...
    If you're going to try either I'd go for the C14-C16.

    Very helpful post. Thanks.

    Same to you Corrina. I'll have to look at the ratio of moisturizers to sulfonate.
    3A - C, HP, ME, HD. (Coarse, High Porosity, Medium Elasticity, High Density.)

    CG since Nov. 2012

    Poos: SM Moisture Retention + Yucca Baobab, TJ's Tea Tree Tingle
    Condish: TJ 'sTea Tree Tingle*, SM Moisture Retention* + Curl & Shine + Yucca Baobab, Yes to Blueberries
    Stylers: KCKT*, SM Curl Enhancing Smoothie* + Curl & Style Milk*, KCCC*, FSG*, CJ Pattern Pusha, Curl Keeper
    Sealers: Jojoba* or Grapeseed* oil

    * = HG

  • CalendulaCalendula Posts: 60Registered Users
    For what it's worth, here's info from Paula Begoun, who people tend to love or hate.

    sodium C14-16 olefin sulfonate
    "Used primarily as a detergent cleansing agent, but is potentially drying and irritating for skin."

    as opposed to, say,

    sodium laureth sulfate
    "...considered gentle and effective as typically used to formulate cosmetic products (most typically facial or body cleansers and shampoos). Despite the name similarity, sodium laureth sulfate is NOT the same as sodium lauryl sulfate. It is a milder cleansing agent due to a higher amount and different chemical structure of the fatty alcohols that required to manufacture this cleansing agent."
    *3B, medium/fine, normal porosity, normal elasticity, shoulder-length when dry.