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does facial wash really matter?

luvmylocsluvmylocs Posts: 7,578Registered Users
i'm going through my stash and throwing out old, ineffective or unused stuff. i have a few face washes. i'm always buying some new face wash (until last fall when i decided not to buy more until i used up all i had). anyway, it got to thinking, facial washes are on for such a short time. does it really matter what facial wash you use? are "natural" washes better? fewer ingredients better than one with more? i know i'm leaning towards not using any washes with colors added. why would i put dye on my face. so just thinking. what do you girls think?

i got a green tea wash from makeup artists choice. i love their stuff but i noticed thte cleanser has dyes in it.

i have mario badescu glycolic acid wash that i plan to use and a philosophy purity cleanser that seem pretty good.
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  • Alice_42 Alice_42 Posts: 791Registered Users
    I look for three things in my face wash:
    (1) Can I afford it?
    (2) Is it easily available?
    (3) Does it dry my skin out?
    ]Natural, paraben free, synthetic dye free, etc. are nice perks but not really necessary. Especially because products like that are generally out of my budget.
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  • redcelticcurlsredcelticcurls Posts: 17,502Registered Users
    This makes me miss my PSF.

    My skin can be sensitive. Not to the 'chemical' stuff, but to the 'natural' stuff, which usually has things like citrus or cinnamon type things or mint or menthol or tea tree oil. They all sting and make me red.

    I also think that the parabens thing is highly overblown. It came from one very flawed study.
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  • rouquinnerouquinne Posts: 13,494Registered Users Curl Dabbler
    unless you're allergic to an ingredient (or have sensitivities like RCC), i don't think it makes a difference because it hardly stays on your skin long enough.

    when i got my Clarisonic, i got their gel cleanser with it - it has willow bark extract in it. you couldn't pay me to use it because i'm violently allergic to birch and willow trees.

    once i use my makeup remover, i use diluted Dr. Bronner's as my cleanser.
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  • coilynappcoilynapp Posts: 4,233Registered Users
    I think the wash doesn't make a difference unless you have sensitives or a skin condition. I use African black soap to wash my face (and body). I spend the big bucks on face and eye cream, masks and peels. I love Mychelle products!
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  • JosephineJosephine Posts: 14,175Registered Users
    So is keeping it at a certain ph all bs? I have noticed my skin is less dry and seems to break out less with certain cleansers. I really like the psf gentle one. I still have some left. I'm assuming I can't order it anywhere. It lasts a really long time for me.
  • redcelticcurlsredcelticcurls Posts: 17,502Registered Users
    RCW may have an idea. I thought she talked about ph and cleansers. I do believe that she's pretty anti soaps/detergents as they tend to damage the skin barrier.
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  • coilynappcoilynapp Posts: 4,233Registered Users
    Josephine wrote: »
    So is keeping it at a certain ph all bs? I have noticed my skin is less dry and seems to break out less with certain cleansers. I really like the psf gentle one. I still have some left. I'm assuming I can't order it anywhere. It lasts a really long time for me.
    Yes and no. It matters the most for leave on products. Like we get away everyday with using soap (pH 9-10) on our bodies, but our lotions and creams are pH 5-7 right where our skin likes to be. I use very nourishing creams and lotions, so maybe that's why I have no problem. I do know that if I do not use lotion, my skin gets really really dry and itchy.

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  • multicultcurlymulticultcurly Posts: 5,132Registered Users
    I have sensitive skin so cleansers do matter to me. I do better with natural cleansers. I currently use Shea Moisture's African black soap. I also tend to leave mine on for at least 5 minutes.

    Did PSF go out of business?
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  • luvmylocsluvmylocs Posts: 7,578Registered Users
    i'm really surprised psf stopped making that one skin cleanser. it seemed really popular. i had some and it did last a long time and was a good cleanser. psf is still in business. i like their salicylic acid. i still order it when i run out.

    good point about leaving the cleanser on a little longer. i use my clarisonic about 50% of the time. whatever i'm doing now seems to be working but the thing is i'm not doing one exact thing. sometimes i use a scrub in the shower, sometimes i use a cleanser (no one in particular) and a clarisonic, sometimes i just use a cleanser and give a good scrub with my white towel. i also use salicylic acid most days and vitamin c most days. i'm drinking a ton of water, healthy teas and taking my usual supplements (multi, omega 3, viviscal, green tea extract, etc) and i've tried to cut my sugars from my diet.

    who knows? i'll keep doing what i'm doing and hope my results stay the same.
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  • RedCatWavesRedCatWaves Posts: 31,258Registered Users
    I think facial cleanser matters a great deal. The skin barrier (or acid mantle) works best to protect us against invaders like acne-causing bacteria if we don't break it down with overuse of detergents or high-pH soaps.

    Since PSF discontinued their gentle castile cleanser, I've been at a loss. Lately, I've been using the cleanser from acne.org. It's pH neutral and uses light detergents (coca betaine) and my skin seems to do OK with it.

    I wish all of you would go to PSF's facebook page and tell them to bring back their castile cleanser.
  • coilynappcoilynapp Posts: 4,233Registered Users
    ^^RCW, African black soap (the real kind--which is not black but brrown) is just as gentle as castile soap. (both pH 8-9) You might try that and see if you like it.
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  • luvmylocsluvmylocs Posts: 7,578Registered Users
    coilynapp wrote: »
    ^^RCW, African black soap (the real kind--which is not black but brrown) is just as gentle as castile soap. (both pH 8-9) You might try that and see if you like it.

    what kind do you use? i have these two. i bought the one on the left for my face and hair but hadn't used it. i bought the one on the right for my face and it works ok but is very thin like water and i waste so much when i use it.
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  • coilynappcoilynapp Posts: 4,233Registered Users
  • RedCatWavesRedCatWaves Posts: 31,258Registered Users
    coilynapp wrote: »
    ^^RCW, African black soap (the real kind--which is not black but brrown) is just as gentle as castile soap. (both pH 8-9) You might try that and see if you like it.

    No way would i use that on my face...the pH is too high and most soaps are waxy and clog pores. The castille cleanser that PSF used to make had its pH lowered.
  • multicultcurlymulticultcurly Posts: 5,132Registered Users
    coilynapp wrote: »
    ^^RCW, African black soap (the real kind--which is not black but brrown) is just as gentle as castile soap. (both pH 8-9) You might try that and see if you like it.

    No way would i use that on my face...the pH is too high and most soaps are waxy and clog pores. The castille cleanser that PSF used to make had its pH lowered.

    What I use doesn't clog pores. Even though it has soap in the title African black soap isn't soap in the traditional sense. It has helped me to keep my skin clear and I have a long history of breakouts, inflamed skin, hives, uneven skin tone and texture, and dermatitis.

    I've also been using a clarisonic Mia for two weeks and an MUAC fade peel for two months and my skin looks awesome, even in a climate that my skin hates.
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  • luvmylocsluvmylocs Posts: 7,578Registered Users
    i used the alaffia black soap last night and it felt nice. i used it with my clarisonic. my skin felt soft this morning and my nose felt smooth and not like anything was trapped in my pores. i left it on for about 5 minutes before using my clarisonic. i think i'll use this one and see how it goes.
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  • RedCatWavesRedCatWaves Posts: 31,258Registered Users
    coilynapp wrote: »
    ^^RCW, African black soap (the real kind--which is not black but brrown) is just as gentle as castile soap. (both pH 8-9) You might try that and see if you like it.
    coilynapp wrote: »
    ^^RCW, African black soap (the real kind--which is not black but brrown) is just as gentle as castile soap. (both pH 8-9) You might try that and see if you like it.

    No way would i use that on my face...the pH is too high and most soaps are waxy and clog pores. The castille cleanser that PSF used to make had its pH lowered.

    What I use doesn't clog pores. Even though it has soap in the title African black soap isn't soap in the traditional sense. It has helped me to keep my skin clear and I have a long history of breakouts, inflamed skin, hives, uneven skin tone and texture, and dermatitis.

    I've also been using a clarisonic Mia for two weeks and an MUAC fade peel for two months and my skin looks awesome, even in a climate that my skin hates.


    I have used authentic african black soap. It clogs my pores. I'm a clogger though. I have to be much more careful than most people. I've worn out 2 Clarisonics. Clarisonic worked ok for me, but i think the lack of ability to ever truly clean the brush well is a problem, so I've moved on to skin spatulas to exfoliate and keep pores clear.
  • multicultcurlymulticultcurly Posts: 5,132Registered Users
    coilynapp wrote: »
    ^^RCW, African black soap (the real kind--which is not black but brrown) is just as gentle as castile soap. (both pH 8-9) You might try that and see if you like it.

    No way would i use that on my face...the pH is too high and most soaps are waxy and clog pores. The castille cleanser that PSF used to make had its pH lowered.

    What I use doesn't clog pores. Even though it has soap in the title African black soap isn't soap in the traditional sense. It has helped me to keep my skin clear and I have a long history of breakouts, inflamed skin, hives, uneven skin tone and texture, and dermatitis.

    I've also been using a clarisonic Mia for two weeks and an MUAC fade peel for two months and my skin looks awesome, even in a climate that my skin hates.


    I have used authentic african black soap. It clogs my pores. I'm a clogger though. I have to be much more careful than most people. I've worn out 2 Clarisonics. Clarisonic worked ok for me, but i think the lack of ability to ever truly clean the brush well is a problem, so I've moved on to skin spatulas to exfoliate and keep pores clear.

    This may not be of any use to you, but I've been using sulfate free shampoo that has neem in it to clean my clarisonic. My skin is naturally oily; even when I don't use a cleanser with oil, I turn the brush gray. Did I mention that I don't wear foundation? Lol so far this has been working.
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    Shampoo: nonsulfate shampoo and Suave Naturals sulfate shampoo when needed
  • seamelody14seamelody14 Posts: 282Registered Users
    Face wash makes a big difference to me, but I have dry skin AND acne. It's so finicky!
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  • LayaliLayali Posts: 561Registered Users
    I have been using the Cetaphil gentle skin cleanser for 10+ years. I love it. It has a neutral pH, very mild, no harsh fragrances, but still rinses clean. It is perfect for acne-prone sensitive skin like mine.

    Other facial cleansers don't even compare. I once used my friend's clean & clear when I was visiting. My skin was so dry and tight afterwards, I felt like I had washed my face with dish detergent.
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  • luvmylocsluvmylocs Posts: 7,578Registered Users
    i'm thinking once i get through the various cleansers in my stash that i need to just use one cleanser, maybe two due to seasonal/climate changes and just stick with that.
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  • violetsviolets Posts: 1,689Registered Users
    coilynapp wrote: »
    ^^RCW, African black soap (the real kind--which is not black but brrown) is just as gentle as castile soap. (both pH 8-9) You might try that and see if you like it.

    No way would i use that on my face...the pH is too high and most soaps are waxy and clog pores. The castille cleanser that PSF used to make had its pH lowered.

    I went to a dermatologist because I have seborreic dermatitis and she said
    to use Dove sensitive skin.

    RWC, I use some of the products you recommend and my skin never changes. It's always a red mess. The only thing I was able to get out of my dermatologist visit was not to use moisturizer because what I thought was dry/peeling skin, was really an overabundance of it.
    So now I exfoliate with neutrogena once in a while and the peeling skin goes away.
    I wonder if the clarisonic would work for me. I guess that is like exfoliation?
    Right now I am still using the PSF that got discontinued.
    I have the worst skin ever.
    What about Dianna Yvonne? The perlescent cleanser has the right ph.
  • multicultcurlymulticultcurly Posts: 5,132Registered Users
    Violets- I think the clarisonic would probably work for you. It's great for problem skin. I have dermatitis on the left side of my face and the clarisonic made that go away. My skin is also brighter so it must be exfoliating.
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  • Curly Girl FlaCurly Girl Fla Posts: 1,834Registered Users
    I've been using Youthful Glow Deep Refining Face Wash with great results. The ph is 3.4-3.75 & the ingredients are as follows:NCI: ORG Aloe barbadensis (Aloe Vera) Leaf Juice, EcoCert Decyl Glucoside (and) EcoCert Sodium Lauroyl Lactylate, Vegetable Glycerin (and) ORGCamellia sinensis (Green Tea) Leaf Extract, Glycolic Acid (Sugar) Fermentation, Populous tremoloides (Aspen) Bark Extract, Vaccinium myrtillus (Billbery) Extract, Panthenol (ProVitamin B5), Lactic Acid (Corn) Fermentation Saccharum officinarum (Sugar Cane) Extract, (Xanthan) Gum, Citrus limonum (Lemon) Extract, Citrus aurantium var.Dulcis (Sweet Orange) Fruit Extract, Xanthan Gum, Acer saccharum (Sugar Maple) Extract. This works wonderfully with my Mia or if I add something to make it a scrub. I use other products from this company as well (glycolic toner, a serum, their terrific Acne Solutions Anti Aging Cream, and Vital Night Repair. My skin is doing better than it has in a long time...
  • SpiralliSpiralli Posts: 3,654Registered Users Curl Dabbler
    I have used authentic african black soap. It clogs my pores. I'm a clogger though. I have to be much more careful than most people. I've worn out 2 Clarisonics. Clarisonic worked ok for me, but i think the lack of ability to ever truly clean the brush well is a problem, so I've moved on to skin spatulas to exfoliate and keep pores clear.

    Never heard of skin spatulas! :) Can you please post a link so I can check them out? I used to use my Clarisonic weekly for a deeper cleaning/exfo type of treatment, but I stopped months ago and my skin has improved. So I'm curious about alternatives!
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  • RedCatWavesRedCatWaves Posts: 31,258Registered Users
    I have these two. The first is a cordless unit that uses "ultrasound technology". The second is a true ultrasound machine. They both gently vibrate junk out of the pores and exfoliate the skin. The second, being a semi-pro machine, obviously works better, but the cordless unit does a pretty good job too. They run about $250 and $600, respectively, but there are deals out there to be had if you look.

    Bellaire Industry Ezzi Spatula

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  • SpiralliSpiralli Posts: 3,654Registered Users Curl Dabbler
    Very interesting! I haven't seen anything like those before. Thanks for taking the time to post the info and pics; I may look into the cheaper one down the road if my skin doesn't improve.
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  • luvmylocsluvmylocs Posts: 7,578Registered Users
    ok, my skin broke out a bit after i used the black soap. it could be the extras added. either way, i'll go back to my other washes and not use the black soap.

    i have the mario badescu glycolic cleanser i think i'll stick with it too. seems to work for me.
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  • coilynappcoilynapp Posts: 4,233Registered Users
    ^^what extras?
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  • theliothelio Posts: 5,374Registered Users
    Spiralli wrote: »
    Very interesting! I haven't seen anything like those before. Thanks for taking the time to post the info and pics; I may look into the cheaper one down the road if my skin doesn't improve.

    i got the cordless one at RCW recommendation. it really works. I love it and it was worth the bucks. my skin may not be perfect but it has never been this clear even when i was using proactiv. i dont use any cleansers, just the ocm. i have used real afircan black soap. my skin was super soft and seemed cleaner. but after about a month or so of using it i broke out horribly. after a week or two of stop using it, my skin slower begin to clear up. i will use black soap on my hair, but nothing else. NO WAY!
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