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Massage causing hair loss?

headmeltheadmelt Posts: 1Registered Users
Hi all,

I found this site recently and began the CG method approx 3 weeks ago. I have noticed that my hair is shinier, more moisturised and easier to manage since then. However, I read a post on here that said it´s important to really massage/rub the scalp to make sure it´s clean. Unfortunately I did this with shampoo on my last poo wash and handfuls of hair fell out from where I rubbed my scalp (i.e. from one spot!). I read that massaging oils into the scalp should be good for hair growth so I massaged coconut and almond oil into my scalp and left overnight. The next day I had a shower and combed my hair and 80 hairs fell out! It also looked like a clump of hairs fell out, though there is no bald spot on my head. My hair is noticeably thinner now and I´m really worried and upset. I´m going to try to go to a dermatologist about this now, but I´m wondering if the massaging could be to blame? I didn´t massage hard. I was gentle and only used the pads of my fingers.

I´m really depressed about this now. Has anybody experienced or heard of something similar happening?

:pale:

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  • tariwatetariwate Posts: 36Registered Users
    Massaging the scalp should boost up the blood circulation and aid therefore hair growth. I can only think that the hair you lost were about to fall out anyway soon... We loose normally about 100 strands everyday. Sometimes less, sometimes more. I've noticed more shedding when stimulating the scalp but I always thought of it being normal.

    Have you combed/brushed your hair less after going CG or have you had an updo/protective style for a few days? In this case you would loose the strands all at once you would for have normally lost during this period of time. Sometimes people panic when they loose more hair when they wash their hair after for ex. twists.

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  • MooshvilleMooshville Posts: 104Registered Users
    Massaging does not cause hair loss. Those were going to fall anyway. If you aren't gentle with your massaging then breakage can occur, which on the floor looks like hair loss.

    Massaging doesn't cause new hair growth for those who are thinning but it's not bad for you either.
  • RuthAndersonRuthAnderson Posts: 5Registered Users
    too much massaging may definitly cause a strict hair loss to and may also week up the routes of hair follicles
  • PomegranateCurlPomegranateCurl Posts: 212Registered Users
    Hi there!

    I thought i posted already but I can't find my post. Anyway, I've been cowashing for 4 months and it has thinned out my hair very noticeably. I think it may have something to do w/ the manual friction of cowashing combined with the softening of the roots from the conditioner. But it could be other things as well, like my scalp not agreeing with a particular ingredient in the cowash I've been using. I think the thinning is caused by excess shedding. I stopped cowashing and have been low-pooing and already I'm seeing SIGNIFICANTLY less shedding in the shower.

    I can't offer a lot of advice as I newly realized how much it has thinned my hair, and I'm also trying to figure out myself. But I feel ya.

    This is my thread: http://www.naturallycurly.com/curltalk/general-discussion-about-curly-hair/158211-bad-news-cowashing-thinning-my-hair.html

    You might want to look into this also>

    Excessive Shedding: Could Co-Washing Be the Culprit? | hairscapades
  • mimi772005mimi772005 Posts: 39Registered Users
    Hey guys,

    So I trimmed my hair a little to short. So I decided to buy JBCO mixed with Jojoba oil. I have been massaging it into my scalp 3xs a week. While massaging I would notice a lot of hair falling. Im definetely noticing hair thinning. I use Giovanni Tea Tree Shampoo. Im thinking its the massages that's causing my hair lose. Im so confused. My hair feels so soft and shiny but I've noticed Im losing my baby hairs in the front. Please help.. Im so upset and worried.
  • jeepcurlygurljeepcurlygurl Posts: 19,235Registered Users Curl Dabbler
    Most hair stylists/shampooers do very vigorous scalp massages when washing hair in a salon, so I wouldn't think that massaging would cause hair loss or they wouldn't do it. Now if you are scratching the scalp with fingernails or really pulling at the hair, then yes, that would cause some hair loss.
    Maybe it's more an issue of an ingredient the hair doesn't like or a health issue?
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  • PomegranateCurlPomegranateCurl Posts: 212Registered Users
    You won't have thinner hair from one good massage, so stylists can do it without problem because it won't have long-term repercussions. But if you're massaging very vigorously over an extended period of time (months) as you would in a co-washing regimen you could experience hair loss. I think it also has to do w/ overconditioned hair follicles... so it's the massages combined w/ the softened follicles.
  • wavydazewavydaze Posts: 2,061Registered Users
    To the OP, have you visited the derm? If so, what did they say?


    It's very important to anyone who experiences thinning hair (especially acute, as in within 6 or 4 months) to visit a derm right away. Whatever the problem can be....whether it is hormonal, related to stress, diet, a change in health or something you are doing to your hair (products, manipulation etc) a derm will help you narrow it down and may be able to prescribe a solution. Self-diagnosing can actually be more damaging. Putting off getting a professional opinion can be harmful as your hair may continue to thin and your health (if problem is health related) may worsen. Please visit your MD for a checkup and do so in a timely manner!
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  • tanushitanushi Posts: 1Registered Users
    I don't Think massaging causes hair loss. But if you massage vigorously then you might loose hair. Massage your hair with warm oil. You can see a great difference in your hair texture.
  • Ethel_CookEthel_Cook Posts: 49Registered Users
    tanushi wrote: »
    I don't Think massaging causes hair loss. But if you massage vigorously then you might loose hair. Massage your hair with warm oil. You can see a great difference in your hair texture.

    I thought that if you expose your hair and scalp to too much warmth, then you are more likely to lose hair? Also, is there a specific oil that is needed? I tried virgin coconut oil, but I don't really see much change. I've been trying it for one week now.
  • sixelamysixelamy Posts: 4,156Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    When I do an oil massage on my head, I get what you are saying about the hair loss. I pull out what seems to be a big chunk of hair with every massage. But you have to remember that you probably aren't brushing your hair in between washes, and curly hair seems to stay pretty much in place and not just fall randomly to the floor. So you are loosening up the hair that would have fallen through the day (or 2 or 3 days, depending upon how long ago your last wash was), so it is all going to come out with your massage. We lose about 100 hairs per day.

    To the people saying you have thinner hair when starting the CG method - you are probably just experiencing build up and not so voluminous hair. If you truly have hair loss, you would be finding bald spots. If you are finding bald spots, then please ignore what I just said and get yourself to a doctor ASAP ;)
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  • DinaWestleyDinaWestley Posts: 15Registered Users
    Hi, as far as I know massaging is not a primary cause of hair loss. It can be due to several factors that actually put a damage on our hair. I think, one of those is the application of too much products that sometimes can make our hair dry and this usually leads to hair loss:)
  • Ethel_CookEthel_Cook Posts: 49Registered Users
    sixelamy wrote: »
    When I do an oil massage on my head, I get what you are saying about the hair loss. I pull out what seems to be a big chunk of hair with every massage. But you have to remember that you probably aren't brushing your hair in between washes, and curly hair seems to stay pretty much in place and not just fall randomly to the floor. So you are loosening up the hair that would have fallen through the day (or 2 or 3 days, depending upon how long ago your last wash was), so it is all going to come out with your massage. We lose about 100 hairs per day.

    To the people saying you have thinner hair when starting the CG method - you are probably just experiencing build up and not so voluminous hair. If you truly have hair loss, you would be finding bald spots. If you are finding bald spots, then please ignore what I just said and get yourself to a doctor ASAP ;)

    Doctor? As in a hair doctor like Bosley? That might be too extreme for me. I think I am seeing some changes now with the virgin coconut oil. This is the third week and when I brush my hair, I "feel" more volume, but I will see next week if it is really working. I am not using the virgin oil everyday. Just every 2 days. Is there anything else I am supposed to do?
  • Curlybee1Curlybee1 Posts: 53Registered Users
    A regular doctor- to assess your health, diet/nutrition and they could check blood work, if needed. Sometimes deficiencies or other medical issues can cause hair problems. (Massaging hair should not cause hair loss on its own unless your rubbing really hard, etc.)
  • DinaWestleyDinaWestley Posts: 15Registered Users
    Hi, Ethel_Cook:) I also heard about that Coconut Virgin Oil and good that you have shared your experience about using that product. I also found other positive comments about that oil and I really want to try it soon.
  • BluebloodBlueblood Posts: 1,748Registered Users
    Curlybee1 wrote: »
    A regular doctor- to assess your health, diet/nutrition and they could check blood work, if needed. Sometimes deficiencies or other medical issues can cause hair problems. (Massaging hair should not cause hair loss on its own unless your rubbing really hard, etc.)

    This is true.

    Unless your are being over vigorous with your massage technique you shouldn't be losing hair.

    If you are losing hair in large amounts then run don't walk to a doctor as you have an underlying health issue that needs to be address and it's not only your hair at risk.
  • BluebloodBlueblood Posts: 1,748Registered Users
    Hi, Ethel_Cook:) I also heard about that Coconut Virgin Oil and good that you have shared your experience about using that product. I also found other positive comments about that oil and I really want to try it soon.

    People all over this board use coconut oil and olive oil on their hair.

    There are many regions in the world were these oils are a staple product.
  • sixelamysixelamy Posts: 4,156Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    lol not a hair a doctor.. a regular doctor, like everyone else said. Mineral deficiencies can cause this, but may not necessarily show up on a blood test.
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  • CremionoCremiono Posts: 5Registered Users
    It helps but isn't a solution. Try an essential oil massage once a week.
  • hadiyasafdarhadiyasafdar Posts: 1Registered Users
    Yes. Massage can cause the hair loss but it can be deal or treat with the several treatments in which may include the Mesotherapy and PRP. But hair transplant is not for that kind of patients as it is for the Bald peoples.
  • MatThompsonMatThompson Posts: 6Registered Users
    Hi,
    The oil massage itself can not cause hair loss. As per my experience massage is helpful in improving blood circulation in your scalp. Almost everyone feels an increased hair fall at the start of the massage. Hairfall will become normal after massaging 2 or 3 times. In fact, oil is a good protector against the chemicals in shampoo.
    Hair fall can increase in case you don't properly wash your hair after the massage. If oil remains on the skin for longer hours blood circulation will be disturbed and no fresh air will be available for the skin.

    I am using coconut oil for massage and a baby shampoo to wash my hair in filtered shower water.
  • inquiringcurlsinquiringcurls Posts: 11Registered Users
    Hi,


    All heads are not created equal. I'm the type that can't manipulate my hair too much. I have to shampoo every three to four days and can't add too much product.


    I was once so into my hair that I added coconut oil every few days, at night, then covered with a shower cap and slept like that. My hair began to fall off. My scalp produces enough oil so I really don't need that much to start with. Guess that's why it fell off.


    Do what's worked in the past. Some of us have to keep our routines simple. Good luck!
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  • maryware77maryware77 Posts: 45Registered Users
    Hi Headmelt!

    Oil massage does not cause hair loss unless it is done in a hard way. As you said you always do it gently with your finger pads, I don't think so it can cause hair loss rather massaging improves the blood circulation hence improves the health of hair. If we talk about hair fall, normal hair fall rate per day is 100 hair strands, in your case it is 80 thus you need not to worry about it because its normal. Secondly, when you wash or apply shampoo on your hair, you should apply it gently otherwise it can cause more hair fall since, wet hair are more fragile and prone towards breakage. I have observed most of the people have bad hair washing habits that causes more hair fall. Moreover, try making use of GKhair conditioner for less tangled hair. On the contrary, before brushing your hair you should detangle them with your finger for less hair fall. Hope it will help you out!
  • ShodyLarkinsShodyLarkins Posts: 1Registered Users
    Hello, my edges have broken off for the first time in my life for 1 or 2 reasons.. I big chopped 5 months ago.. my satin bonnet I would wear almost 24/7 and on top of that I would massage my scalp everyday for 4 minutes upside down in my bed and I noticed my hair falling out verses growing so I stopped the scalp massages and I noticed my hair growing but I really miss doing my scalp massages... should I just massage maybe once a week? Either that or continue to leave my hair alone. Please help