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Hair is always dry

I have been natural for over 5 years and I have asked this question in other places with little help.
My hair is always dry no matter what do and at this point I have no idea what to do. You name it I have tried it as far as products go and I have tried every natural hair technique out there. I do hot oil treatment and deep condition and neither does anything,My hair is just naturally dry and nothing works at all. It is so bad I am getting to the point where I think there maybe some kind of under lying medical issue. I know about porosity, protein moisture balance, water based moisturizers than sealing, baggying, cream moisturizers, Sulfates, cones, alcohols, everything and nothing works. :angry1:
It got so bad I had to cut all my hair of again because even though I would deep condition weekly, detangle in sections only when conditioner was in my hair, moisturize and seal in the morning and at night, and never used heat my hair was upper damaged for the dryness.
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  • EricachristinaEricachristina Posts: 496Registered Users
    If you have tried everything and absolutely nothing is working then maybe it is an underlying medical issue, maybe you could have a talk with your doctor and she may refer you to someone else.
    Certain medical conditions such as malnutrition, hypothyroidism, Menkes syndrome, and some illnesses that affect your hormone levels or unbalanced hormone levels on their own can cause very dry brittle hair. If it is a becoming a big problem and you have to keep cutting your hair I would get checked out.
  • Corrina777Corrina777 Posts: 3,193Registered Users
    Do you k ow your hair properties (texture, porosity, etc)? Have you tried protein? If your hair is damaged or naturally higher in porosity you might get better results by adding some protein. The protein will fill in some of the porous gaps and can help the moisture take better.
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  • adthomasadthomas Posts: 5,525Registered Users
    I think sometimes it is the difficult task of finding what works for your hair. There are many conditioners and moisturizers that do nothing for my hair. In fact I have never found a commercial dc my hair likes.
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  • tycho19tycho19 Posts: 805Registered Users
    Have you considered water quality? I have hard water and it is really drying on hair and skin. I've been using elucence moisture acidifying shampoo which happens to work really well in hard water. I follow with a good conditioner.
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  • lovely0706lovely0706 Posts: 13Registered Users
    Corrina777 wrote: »
    Do you k ow your hair properties (texture, porosity, etc)? Have you tried protein? If your hair is damaged or naturally higher in porosity you might get better results by adding some protein. The protein will fill in some of the porous gaps and can help the moisture take better.
    I have tried protein and its really doesn't do anything. My hair is different textures on different parts of my head. And idk anymore about it's porosity because it is always so dry and gets damaged from the dryness.
  • lovely0706lovely0706 Posts: 13Registered Users
    tycho19 wrote: »
    Have you considered water quality? I have hard water and it is really drying on hair and skin. I've been using elucence moisture acidifying shampoo which happens to work really well in hard water. I follow with a good conditioner.
    I thought that it was that maybe but I used bottled water for a while and my hair was still dry
  • adthomasadthomas Posts: 5,525Registered Users
    How does your hair repond to water? Does it soak it up or does it take awhile to become wet? I'm lp so I have to take steps to get my hair to absorb moisture or products will just sit on my hair. Also i'm very prone to buildup and my hair won't absorb when there's buildup.

    Can you describe what your hair feels like? That will usually tell you if you have too much or too little protein.
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  • lovely0706lovely0706 Posts: 13Registered Users
    The edges behind my ears is really coarse, the hair below my crown is really smooth, and the rest is average it is just all really dry all the time. My hair does not take a long time to get wet it takes about maybe 10-15 seconds if I am in the shower. My hair feels soft when water is in it BUT no matter how I seal or moisturize if water alone hits my hair at all my hair just feels dry water of any kind I have also tried bottled water. I have tried protein treatments most do nothing at all for my hair I might as well have not put anything in my hair. Most light protein conditioners make my hair hard though
  • SandiSandi Posts: 364Registered Users
    You say you know your hair properties. Can you list them for us so we can better understand your problem? I'm guessing that you have high porosity, based on the chronic dryness when your hair is out of water, but I could be wrong.

    If it is high porosity, you'll need to find a better sealant and possibly moisturizer. What have you been using? A lot of high-po's use both leave-in and an additional sealing layer (often oil) to keep in the moisture.

    In addition, please do tell us your product routine....
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  • lovely0706lovely0706 Posts: 13Registered Users
    I have used and tried way to many products to name them all lol
    I use castor oil and olive oil for sealing and right now I use Shea moisture as a moisturizer. I though I was high porosity for a while but my hair seem to not like protein light protein makes my hair dry and hard protein does nothing at all.

    My hair seems to be low porosity but IDK anymore it acts so funny all the time
    It is coarser behind my ears and smoother on the rest
    its 4A
    My scalp gets really dry but It is not flaky
    It seems to like and dislike water

    I usually wash with black soap
    condition with ABHR( it works for me BUT it never stays soft the only conditioner I can say ever made any kid of positive difference at all)
    then I use Shea moisture leave in and seal
    That is what I do now but at this point it is just to get by nothing really makes a difference though

    But the reason I am at the end of my rope is because I have tried everything and done everything I am suppose to do and people know it agree I should go see a doctor because I take such good care of my hair there is no reason for it to act the way it does for 5 + years.I even go to professional stylist and they are shocked by how dry my hair is even after deep conditioning and hot oil treatments. You name it I have tried it. I really wanna keep trying though and if it is not better within a year I am going to the doctor
  • KorkscrewKorkscrew Posts: 1,834Registered Users
    I wouldn't wait a year before getting a medical check up. I'd go right away so you can rule in or rule out a serious medical issue, or possibly just a medical issue that has a reasonably easy solution that can help your overall health (not just your hair health).

    A few other thoughts in the meantime: noticed you didn't mention using a sulfate shampoo. What you describe sounds like it could easily be months of product build up that can only be remedied with the use of a good old fashioned sulfate shampoo (a clarifier). And since your hair still absorbs water easily, another possibility is hygral fatigue (too much moisture), in which case you might try wetting your hair much less frequently (including less frequent shampoo). Also, take inventory of any thermal or chemical treatments you've used on your hair. Cut those things out, or if you blow dry, do it w/a diffuser on the "warm" setting only.

    Another thing is to assess how much fluid you are consuming daily. If needed, drink more water. Hydration of hair (and other appendages of the skin) happens from the inside out, not just from conditioning treatments. Also, if you live in a dry climate, try avoiding hair products w/humectants (like things w/glycerin or honey).
  • tycho19tycho19 Posts: 805Registered Users
    I'm not sure what black soap is, but I think clarifying would help. Bred ken hair cleansing cream will remove product and mineral buildup. It also is low ph which will help the cuticle lie flat. Let the shampoo sit for five min before rinsing. Then apply a deep treatment.
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  • tycho19tycho19 Posts: 805Registered Users
    That should say Redken hair cleansing cream. Damn spell check
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  • ChellzCurlzChellzCurlz Posts: 4Registered Users
    I might have something that helps because I have extremely dry hair too. I drink plenty of water and I eat really healthy food and I couldn't figure out why my hair was sooo dry.

    I accidentally stumbled upon my technique trying to DT my dry hair and realized once or twice a week wasn't cutting it. I was bagging my hair for hours and it would still be dry and of course after taking hours to completely dry my hair (LP) it felt like I over did the protein. I found two conditioners that seemed to help for a while but I had to constantly rotate them due to my hairs pickiness.

    But what really helped and how I found this technique was because I was in a hurry and couldn't DT but my hair was so dry I had too. So I decided to do a "quick" DT in the shower, I co washed with tresseme naturals then I loaded my hair with GVPCB and put a ziplock bag over my hair and turn the shower up so it steams. I proceed with the rest of my shower. I also let the water hit the bag so the heat can open the hairs cuticles. When I was done I removed the bag and rinsed with cold water added a little bit of leave in and then sealed with oil on my ends. OMG did my hair completely feel and look so different after that I actually do this every time I shower now.

    I did the leave in and oil before I tried a "quick" DT in the shower, it helped but not like this. HTH
  • kathymackkathymack Posts: 9,999Registered Users
    I use natural soap regularly to cleanse hair and scalp. I got a sample of black soap and found it VERY drying. So, that could be part of the issue.

    Castor oil and olive oil are both "heavy" oils. If your hair is low porosity, it just may not be able to absorb these heavier oils. My hair doesn't care for straight oil/butter, but likes them in a well formulated product. My hair HATES castor oil, it makes it dry and greasy at the same time. It takes me a few shampoos with a strong surfactant to remove it. You may need to clarify and start with a clean slate.
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  • BlackAngelPlayahBlackAngelPlayah Posts: 1,419Registered Users
    All these are great answers. I gave a hard look at that black soap. Lots of people say it dries their hair out. Maybe try something else.

    I gave up on creamy moisturizers. They "work" a little, but leave my hair white, moist for a bit, then greasy and dry. I switched to- well I've always used it- curl activator for moisture. I just put it in after my wash, then add my styler on top. The activator keeps my ultra dry hair ultra moist for days. Between applications, I spritz with water and seal with vegetable oil.

    Now, as my hair has gotten longer its not as easy as it use to be, but it's not so bad. I've been skimping on my conditioning due to laziness and I see a big difference. My hair is getting dryer. I NORMALLY condition over night and it makes a huge difference in my moisture level. But lately I've been just cowashing and out the door. SMH.

    ANYWAY, I hope you can find something that works. Don't give up. Just keep trying. Curly hair is tricky, but worth the effort. :)

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  • lalapixielalapixie Posts: 242Registered Users
    Black soap seems way too harsh to wash with. Maybe try conditioner washing. Also, does your leave-in have humectants in it? Maybe try a regular humectant conditioner as a leave-in.
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  • deena.bailardeena.bailar Posts: 5Registered Users
    lovely0706 wrote: »
    I usually wash with black soap
    condition with ABHR( it works for me BUT it never stays soft the only conditioner I can say ever made any kid of positive difference at all)
    then I use Shea moisture leave in and seal
    That is what I do now but at this point it is just to get by nothing really makes a difference though

    I would try co-washing. I haven't used black soap, but that could be a big contributor right there. Have you ever laid off the black soap for a couple of weeks to see what would happen? Also, sorry I don't know all the ingredients here, but I know that I have extreme dryness when I use products with silicones. My hair hates them. It will be soft and silky while wet and then SUPER dry once it dries. I would keep applying more and more conditioners (not realizing that the silicones in the conditioners were doing more harm than good) and the problem would just get worse.

    Sorry if this is all stuff you've tried already...good luck!
  • lovely0706lovely0706 Posts: 13Registered Users
    Korkscrew wrote: »
    I wouldn't wait a year before getting a medical check up. I'd go right away so you can rule in or rule out a serious medical issue, or possibly just a medical issue that has a reasonably easy solution that can help your overall health (not just your hair health).

    A few other thoughts in the meantime: noticed you didn't mention using a sulfate shampoo. What you describe sounds like it could easily be months of product build up that can only be remedied with the use of a good old fashioned sulfate shampoo (a clarifier). And since your hair still absorbs water easily, another possibility is hygral fatigue (too much moisture), in which case you might try wetting your hair much less frequently (including less frequent shampoo). Also, take inventory of any thermal or chemical treatments you've used on your hair. Cut those things out, or if you blow dry, do it w/a diffuser on the "warm" setting only.

    Another thing is to assess how much fluid you are consuming daily. If needed, drink more water. Hydration of hair (and other appendages of the skin) happens from the inside out, not just from conditioning treatments. Also, if you live in a dry climate, try avoiding hair products w/humectants (like things w/glycerin or honey).
    I actually don't drink anything BUT water lol
    and I use a salfate shampoo every once and a while when I need to but they just make my hair worse I really never put any heat in my hair and never use any chemicals at all
  • lovely0706lovely0706 Posts: 13Registered Users
    I have tried co-washing and it doesn't work
    I recently started using the black soap to try something new
    I have tried other shampoo natural and not they clean may hair but all make my hair dry
    I do not use anything with silicone anymore when I did no difference and when I stopped no difference
    I don't drink anything BUT water I don't like anything else( I know I am weird lol)
    My hair seem to like castor oil it does not make my hair greasy as long as I do not use way to much
    I have tried clarifying my hair and trying products but it makes no difference
  • KorkscrewKorkscrew Posts: 1,834Registered Users
    I still suggest seeing a doctor. You have nothing to lose by finding out the status of your overall health, and possibly something to gain.
  • lalapixielalapixie Posts: 242Registered Users
    How are you styling your hair? I've noticed certain styling techniques keep my hair more moisturized than others. For instance, coils give me the best moisture retention because there is little friction and the process smoothes my hair.
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  • rainboerainboe Posts: 284Registered Users
    I'm sorry you're hair is so hard to figure out. I hope something here can help you. I agree what it would be helpful if you typed up exactly how you're applying your products.

    In what way did cowashing not work? Like, did in make your scalp itchy? Did you experience a difference in your hair? Did it stay just a dry? What did you use to cowash before?

    What is ABHR? Do you mean AOHR? Also, what Shea Moisture product are you using? If protein is a problem for you, I think Shea Moisture might have protein in it depending on what you're using.

    On this forum, we usually say that course hair is when the hair strands are really thick, like wiry. Course, to us, doesn't mean that it feels rough or dry. It's about strand thickness. Here's a website to help you figure it out:

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  • lovely0706lovely0706 Posts: 13Registered Users
    lalapixie wrote: »
    How are you styling your hair? I've noticed certain styling techniques keep my hair more moisturized than others. For instance, coils give me the best moisture retention because there is little friction and the process smoothes my hair.

    I would style it different ways (twist outs, braids outs, twists, braids, mostly protective styles my hair was always dry not matter how I wore it
  • lovely0706lovely0706 Posts: 13Registered Users
    rainboe wrote: »
    I'm sorry you're hair is so hard to figure out. I hope something here can help you. I agree what it would be helpful if you typed up exactly how you're applying your products.

    In what way did cowashing not work? Like, did in make your scalp itchy? Did you experience a difference in your hair? Did it stay just a dry? What did you use to cowash before?

    What is ABHR? Do you mean AOHR? Also, what Shea Moisture product are you using? If protein is a problem for you, I think Shea Moisture might have protein in it depending on what you're using.

    On this forum, we usually say that course hair is when the hair strands are really thick, like wiry. Course, to us, doesn't mean that it feels rough or dry. It's about strand thickness. Here's a website to help you figure it out:

    Live Curly Live Free - Curly Hair Basics

    I have co-washed with many conditioners at this point at least 30 in five years lol But my saclp got itchy and gunky
    Yes AOHR
    Right now I use there old leave in like before the remodeled the line
    I moisturize twice a day then seal with the oil I use
    the moisturizer I use is also my leave in so on wash day I shampoo my hair then apply conditioner let it sit ( if I am in the shower I shower) and rinse then dab my hair and apply a leave in and the seal with oil
    The products have changed buy my hair is always just dry protein or no
  • lovely0706lovely0706 Posts: 13Registered Users
    Korkscrew wrote: »
    I still suggest seeing a doctor. You have nothing to lose by finding out the status of your overall health, and possibly something to gain.
    I go to the doctor every year but I need to specifically tell my doctor about me issues with me hair
  • christina.grchristina.gr Posts: 30Registered Users
    Definitely go to a doctor, better safe than sorry.
    I also had very dry hair until I accepted that I had hard water (no more co-washing always had a gunky scalp from it anyway) and went back to sulfate shampoo that is protein & cone free (Sauve Naturals green apple along with the condish).
    If you haven't already give Kinky Curl products a try, they are rich but don't weigh hair down & Protein-free. Skip the heavy oils for a bit, for LPorosity they leave you w/straw dry hair.
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  • lovely0706lovely0706 Posts: 13Registered Users
    I did like kinky curly but it is hard on a college student budget to afford them. I only tried two but I liked what I tried. I was going to try them again now that I will have some extra money.
    And I brought some lighter protein free oils to try I am hoping they work for me.
  • NvmbrCurlssNvmbrCurlss Posts: 732Registered Users
    My sons hair is perpetually dry, no "second day" hair, dry. He has low porosity hair. Here's what we do(mind you, he's 3)...

    1) Rake suave everlasting sunshine condish through dry hair, let sit for 2 minutes while I wash him up
    2) Rinse, immediately rake yes to carrots condish through hair
    3) Smooth out access product (too much causes sudsing or flaking), let sit while he plays to allow time for absorption of first product layer
    4) Smooth through dime size dollop of Grapeseed oil to seal (other oils dry him out or don't absorb)
    5) Leave bath, dry off
    6) Blow dry on low-warm air for 2 minutes to reopen cuticle and allow for maximum absorption
    7) Finish with a cool shot of air,cuz he gets a kick out of it!

    Other products he's had success with: garnier fructis triple nutrition (old formula), tresemme naturals smooth, tigi moisture maniac, shea moisture raw shea conditioner(not the mask).

    Furthermore, I've found adding glycerin to a good ole fashioned protein free rinse out is powerful!!!!
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  • lovely0706lovely0706 Posts: 13Registered Users
    My scalp is also extremely dry idk if it produces oil at all really it is just dry unless I out oil on it
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