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questions about pain meds and drug tests

goldencurlygoldencurly Posts: 2,385Registered Users
My foot is not much better. It is achy and throbbing most of the time and sometimes it has sharp, stabbing pain. So I schedule the follow up appointment with the foot surgeon. He cannot see me until Monday afternoon. The anti-inflammatory prescription I got on Saturday is gone; it was just a 5 day supply. I have called the primary care clinic where I went Saturday to ask for them to call in a new pain prescription and I had to leave a message. I am ready to lay in the floor and cry now. I am at work and flipping miserable but I cannot not be here for the next few days. :sad2:

I have left over narcotics from a year ago. If I take them even though the prescription is over a year old and should I be drug tested, will an old prescription cover my tuckus or can it cost me a job?????

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  • spiderlashes5000spiderlashes5000 Posts: 17,495Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    Read this.

    (I'd call my dr and get a new scrip.)

  • goldencurlygoldencurly Posts: 2,385Registered Users
    Read this.

    (I'd call my dr and get a new scrip.)

    Thanks. I called at 8 am this morning and had to leave a message; I have heard nothing back. I am getting desperate. Dr. #1 thought Dr. #2 would see me yesterday or today and that is just not the case here in Reality-ville.
  • curlypearlcurlypearl Posts: 11,970Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    Call both doctors and if you reach the service or leave a message say that it is an emergency. Drs. worry about being sued - you will get a call back quickly. Keep calling every hour if necessary. Don't worry about being a pain in the a&& or a pest or anything like that.

    My dad was a dr.; my mom was a nurse. I'm usually timid but I know from what they told me that this is no time to be timid. CALL!

    ETA: Have them call the pharmacy with a new scrip.
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  • goldencurlygoldencurly Posts: 2,385Registered Users
    5:03 pm

    Multiple calls and messages, no response. I am eating Aleve almost like MMs.

    :sad2:
  • SunshineGrrlSunshineGrrl Posts: 3,823Registered Users
    5:03 pm

    Multiple calls and messages, no response. I am eating Aleve almost like MMs.

    :sad2:

    My doctor used to tell me to alternate my "drugs." She told me to take ibuprofen (in your case Aleve...and you can take 2 at a time, max 4 per day), then take tylenol 2 hours after the ibuprofen (or Aleve). She then told me to just rotate the pills I'm taking every 2 hours. Ibuprofen, Tylenol, Ibuprofen, Tylenol, etc.

    With Aleve, I think I took the Aleve, then took tylenol 2 hours later and took tylenol every 4 hours after that. And then taking Aleve when the next dosage was due.

    It worked pretty well for me.

  • curlypearlcurlypearl Posts: 11,970Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    I am angry that you are in pain and getting no response. That sucks.

    Is there any other medical facility that you can contact? If you have insurance, some of them have an R.N. on call - perhaps that person could make a suggestion.

    {{{GoldenCurly}}} Hugs for comfort.

    Are you able to wet your foot (I don't know the history)? Heat - soaking in hot water?

    Stay in touch - we are here for you.
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  • crimsonshedemoncrimsonshedemon Posts: 2,098Registered Users
    I hope you got a response from your dr by now.
    I use 800mg ibuprofen every 4-6 hrs as needed for acute problems in addition to other meds. Or naproxen sodium (Aleve), I can take around 1500mg a day.
    Other things that may help
    Epsom salt soak several times a day (I hate soaking so I use magnesium oil)
    Rubbing bio freeze or tiger balm on the area a few times a day
    TENS unit (can you borrow one)
    Elevate
    Ice
    Corny as it sounds, I like to use binaural beats to help with pain.
    From Dr Tennant
    CRITICAL INSTRUCTIONS ON HOW TO TAKE THESE PAIN RELIEVERS
    1. Take Ibuprofen and Naproxen with another drug which I call a "potentiator", since it makes these pain relievers more "potent".
    2. Listed here are the potentiators you should try with ibuprofen or naproxen.
    Initially try one of each with ibuprofen or naproxen to find out which is the most effective.
    a. Acetaminophen - 1 tablet
    b. Excedrin® - 1 tablet
    c. Aspirin - 1 tablet
    d. Immodium® - 1 tablet **
    e. Benadryl® - 1 capsule of 25mg
    Caution: If any of these cause you nausea, vomiting, bleeding, or black stools, you must stop them. Take an antacid, milk, or Pepto-bismol if you have nausea. Black stools are caused by internal bleeding, and you will need to consult a doctor if this occurs.
    ** Immodium® is the trade name for loperamide which is the only opioid drug that is non-prescription. It is sold over- the-counter for treatment of diarrhea although it has pain relieving effects when taken with ibuprofen or naproxen. Too much could possibly cause constipation.

    Dr Tennant is a world renowned pain specialist and has a lot of info here
    Pain Management Patient Self-Help
    Go to What to Do While Looking For a Good Dr
  • goldencurlygoldencurly Posts: 2,385Registered Users
    crimson - THANK YOU! I will be trying several of those things very soon. I've never heard that about "built up electricity" but it makes sense.

    I called the podiatrist surgeon with whom I have an appointment on Monday and told them my meds ran out Wednesday and I have left messages on both the receptionist and the nurse's voice mail, numerous times but no one will call me back. The problem is what I was given is for inflammation flare-ups and cannot be taken for more than 5 days because of the side effects so the pharmacy cannot call them to get it refilled; I have to have a prescription for a different drug. The nurse at the PS office told me she'd call the primary care doc and light a fire under them. She asked what I was taking and I told her Aleve and arthritis strength Tylenol and was still just miserable. She said she would request some heavy duty stuff and she'd call me back and let me know. She said I shouldn't have to go back to them for them to call me something in to hold me over until I can see the surgeon. She was rather pizzed off at them and very sweet and compassionate with me. I actually cried when she told me she'd take care of it.
  • curlypearlcurlypearl Posts: 11,970Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    Golden, have you gotten some relief?
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  • goldencurlygoldencurly Posts: 2,385Registered Users
    The nurse at the PS office got my primary care physician to call me in Vicodin! I'd do the happy dance but that's not possible. So I am at work in a narcotic fog but my foot has stopped having the sharp, shooting pain.

    :contented sigh:
  • curlypearlcurlypearl Posts: 11,970Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    Thank goodness! :blob2:
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    Highly porous. Color over grey.
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  • spiderlashes5000spiderlashes5000 Posts: 17,495Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    It's gotten to the point that I can't even take narcotics anymore. Even for legitimate pain haha. It all makes me nauseous and the fog completely knocks me out.

    They just don't make drugs like they used to...

  • goldencurlygoldencurly Posts: 2,385Registered Users
    It's gotten to the point that I can't even take narcotics anymore. Even for legitimate pain haha. It all makes me nauseous and the fog completely knocks me out.

    They just don't make drugs like they used to...

    I wish something would knock me out! All drugs that should do that simply give me severe adult ADHD and I can't focus or get anything done productively. If I take too much I can knit for 72 hours straight. But that's not wise on many levels.
  • SunshineGrrlSunshineGrrl Posts: 3,823Registered Users
    It's gotten to the point that I can't even take narcotics anymore. Even for legitimate pain haha. It all makes me nauseous and the fog completely knocks me out.

    They just don't make drugs like they used to...

    Lucky! Wait...not so lucky I guess, if it makes you green and pukey.

    Narcotics of any sort pretty much don't do a dang thing for me. I could have just as well taken a sugar pill.

    I blame a bout with a hernia a couple years back. It took them 2 months to find it and the dr just kept giving me stronger and stronger narcotics. No bueno.

  • goldencurlygoldencurly Posts: 2,385Registered Users
    I blame a bout with a hernia a couple years back. It took them 2 months to find it and the dr just kept giving me stronger and stronger narcotics. No bueno.

    That is scary!!!
  • goldencurlygoldencurly Posts: 2,385Registered Users
    Dr Tennant is a world renowned pain specialist and has a lot of info here
    Pain Management Patient Self-Help
    Go to What to Do While Looking For a Good Dr

    Thank you again for posting this! I have never heard of taurine before but I am ordering some today. It's only about $7 for a month's supply from Amazon so it is definately worth trying. I keep rereading this pdf and am going to start making some small changes that hopefully will improve my chronic pain, not just this tendon issue. I want to hug you! (((crimson))) :toothy7:
  • goldencurlygoldencurly Posts: 2,385Registered Users
    curlypearl wrote: »
    Are you able to wet your foot (I don't know the history)? Heat - soaking in hot water?

    Stay in touch - we are here for you.


    Thanks! Yes, it's a torn tendon and soaking it in hot water with epson salt is the best thing EVER. I do that twice a day. I wish I could do it at work! They'd love that..lol!

    Today I am home so it's staying propped up and me off it, or it's in a warm soak.
  • NetGNetG Posts: 8,116Registered Users
    Oh, I'm so glad someone gave you a response!

    My work is a non-narcotic workplace, and I had to declare the possibility of codeine in my system when I took my drug test. When I get bad asthmatic bronchitis the codeine cough syrup is the magic elixir for getting me to stop coughing enough to breathe. However, it totally knocks me out, so when the nurse doing my drug test told me I couldn't work on it, I told her not to worry - I couldn't GET to work on it, and had delayed the test until I was well enough to be off it so I could get there. I have trouble walking across a room in one go with narcotics. And apparently I'm quite funny when I try to speak... :laughing1:



    I hope you got a response from your dr by now.
    I use 800mg ibuprofen every 4-6 hrs as needed for acute problems in addition to other meds. Or naproxen sodium (Aleve), I can take around 1500mg a day.
    Other things that may help
    Epsom salt soak several times a day (I hate soaking so I use magnesium oil)
    Rubbing bio freeze or tiger balm on the area a few times a day
    TENS unit (can you borrow one)
    Elevate
    Ice
    Corny as it sounds, I like to use binaural beats to help with pain.
    From Dr Tennant
    CRITICAL INSTRUCTIONS ON HOW TO TAKE THESE PAIN RELIEVERS
    1. Take Ibuprofen and Naproxen with another drug which I call a "potentiator", since it makes these pain relievers more "potent".
    2. Listed here are the potentiators you should try with ibuprofen or naproxen.
    Initially try one of each with ibuprofen or naproxen to find out which is the most effective.
    a. Acetaminophen - 1 tablet
    b. Excedrin® - 1 tablet
    c. Aspirin - 1 tablet
    d. Immodium® - 1 tablet **
    e. Benadryl® - 1 capsule of 25mg
    Caution: If any of these cause you nausea, vomiting, bleeding, or black stools, you must stop them. Take an antacid, milk, or Pepto-bismol if you have nausea. Black stools are caused by internal bleeding, and you will need to consult a doctor if this occurs.
    ** Immodium® is the trade name for loperamide which is the only opioid drug that is non-prescription. It is sold over- the-counter for treatment of diarrhea although it has pain relieving effects when taken with ibuprofen or naproxen. Too much could possibly cause constipation.

    Dr Tennant is a world renowned pain specialist and has a lot of info here
    Pain Management Patient Self-Help
    Go to What to Do While Looking For a Good Dr

    This is slightly misleading in that pepto bismol will turn your stool black...
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  • crimsonshedemoncrimsonshedemon Posts: 2,098Registered Users
    Dr Tennant is a world renowned pain specialist and has a lot of info here
    Pain Management Patient Self-Help
    Go to What to Do While Looking For a Good Dr

    Thank you again for posting this! I have never heard of taurine before but I am ordering some today. It's only about $7 for a month's supply from Amazon so it is definately worth trying. I keep rereading this pdf and am going to start making some small changes that hopefully will improve my chronic pain, not just this tendon issue. I want to hug you! (((crimson))) :toothy7:

    Magnesium taurate is magnesium and taurine and I know many use this with great results. Magnesium makes a huge difference in pain levels but make sure you use the right type. Also make some magnesium oil and spray that on your foot thru out the day. I spray it on any painful area thru out the day. Better than an Epsom salt soak and no water necessary.

    The Intractable Pain Patient's Handbook for Survival is a great ebook. Very informative.

    I deal with chronic pain and despite having adequate pain meds, I still had pain.... thankfully I have found some great supplements that make a big difference. Magnesium (I use malate and glycinate), D-Ribose and Curamin are excellent. I use several other supplements and meds and my pain levels are generally low with my current regimen.
    Supplements do take time to work. Dr Teitelbaum says to give them up to 3 months since it takes time to restore deficiencies and heal the body.
    Hope you find something that helps you.
  • goldencurlygoldencurly Posts: 2,385Registered Users
    Thanks everyone for the info and the emotional support. On top of the current foot trauma, I have arthritis and fibromyalgia. In the e-booklet I read where the doctor talks about pain isn't just pain, but it is something that affects the rest of your health, your life, and your longevity. He even mentioned that long-term pain can lead to thoughts of suicide. Mine mental state has never strayed that far, but when I am having a flare-up, I do get really depressed with it sometimes. My family, especially my husband, are very supportive and never dismissive of my feelings, physically or mentally. But being overwhelmed by pain can make me feel very alone and isolated even when surrounded by those who care about and for me. Knowing that there are others "out there" who experience what I do or understand what I am going through really touches me.

    You curlies are awesome! :thumbup:

    I will continue to research and try natural alternatives for pain control. I do not want to take narcotics long-term. Anyone want to just list what they take? Here's mine:

    daily multi-vitamin with pro-biotic
    vit C
    Vit B complex
    vit D-3
    vit E
    magnesium (must get better kind though)
    calcium
    potassium
    Ribose
    taurine
    bromelain
    fish oil
    flaxseed oil
    borage oil
    glucosamine chondroitin
    evening primrose oil
    ginko biloba

    Good lord. :-?
  • crimsonshedemoncrimsonshedemon Posts: 2,098Registered Users
    Thanks everyone for the info and the emotional support. On top of the current foot trauma, I have arthritis and fibromyalgia. In the e-booklet I read where the doctor talks about pain isn't just pain, but it is something that affects the rest of your health, your life, and your longevity. He even mentioned that long-term pain can lead to thoughts of suicide. Mine mental state has never strayed that far, but when I am having a flare-up, I do get really depressed with it sometimes. My family, especially my husband, are very supportive and never dismissive of my feelings, physically or mentally. But being overwhelmed by pain can make me feel very alone and isolated even when surrounded by those who care about and for me. Knowing that there are others "out there" who experience what I do or understand what I am going through really touches me.

    You curlies are awesome! :thumbup:

    I will continue to research and try natural alternatives for pain control. I do not want to take narcotics long-term. Anyone want to just list what they take? Here's mine:

    daily multi-vitamin with pro-biotic
    vit C
    Vit B complex
    vit D-3
    vit E
    magnesium (must get better kind though)
    calcium
    potassium
    Ribose
    taurine
    bromelain
    fish oil
    flaxseed oil
    borage oil
    glucosamine chondroitin
    evening primrose oil
    ginko biloba

    Good lord. :-?

    Is fibro the source of your pain? Eliminating Fibromyalgia Pain | Vitality 101
    If so, thyroid and adrenals play an active role in pain and fatigue. If your dr said your thyroid is normal, question how he tested. If he just ran a TSH, ask what the level was. This isn't an adequate. If you're symptomatic, it should be treated regardless of what the tests show since they're so inaccurate.Lab Testing Is NOT Reliable! | Vitality 101

    have you looked for underlying infections? Not many drs do.
    B complex- if you have nerve pain, the you probably need an increase in B6 and methyl B12. I take a B complex and it doesn't have nearly enough B6 and B12 to help my nerve pain. especially if you're taking any prescriptions that rob the body of B vitamins. It's not stored in the body.

    How are you taking the bromelain? It needs to be taken on an empty stomach 3 times a day. Otherwise it acts as a digestive aid.

    definitely add magnesium malate or magnesium taurate (magnesium plus taurine) The malic acid in the mag malate is helpful for muscle pain

    after doing a lot of research, I'm not a big fan of calcium supplementation. It's not needed for bone health.. magnesium and vit D are just as important. So many of our foods are fortified with calcium, that we get a lot more than we think. Calcium is best absorbed from foods and the body stores calcium so we don't need to replenish it the same way as we do magnesium. Unregulated calcium contributes to a lot of health problems including pain. If you want to supplement, you need to take twice as much magnesium as you do calcium otherwise you can't get the benefits of the magnesium because the calcium is using it all (they bind together)

    The product Curamin is excellent for pain. It contains a highly absorbable form of curcumin (from turmeric), dlpa, nattokinase and boswellia. I've used it and it really good. Dr Teitelbaum recommends using a higher dose at the beginning then decreasing it as your pain is under control.

    The product End Pain is also helpful... acts like a nsaid but none of the nasty long term side effects. It contains white willow, cherry extract and boswellia.
  • crimsonshedemoncrimsonshedemon Posts: 2,098Registered Users
    Supplements I take
    Energy Revitalization System (nutrient powder)
    Vit C at least 3000mg a day
    Vit D 5000iu a day
    magnesium glycinate 400mg at night
    magnesium maate 425mg in the morning
    magnesium oil
    acetyl l-carnitine 1000mg a day
    NAC 600mg a day
    D-Ribose 10-15 grams a day
    fish oil 4000 mgs a day
    Curamin
    probiotics
    B6 250mg a day
    methyl B12 5000mcg a day
    astaxanthin
    Ubiquinol 200mg a day
    Sleep Tonight and Revitalizing Sleep Formula and I add passionflower, valerian, hops, chamomile

    for adrenal support- 7 keto dhea, ashwagandha and rhodiola
  • goldencurlygoldencurly Posts: 2,385Registered Users
    Yes, I have fibromyalgia (and arthritis) so I have lots of chronic pain.

    I take bromelain at night right before bed and I don't eat late, so it's as empty as my stomach will ever be. I have trouble taking things midday because I just cannot remember to. I am starting to remember to take the Ribose when I need to but I am still not great about it. I figure once I get that worked out and do it regularly, I can add other things to that schedule.

    I do take extra B12, but only 1250mg on top of the B-mix. My doctor warned about taking too much B12 because too much can cause nerve damage.

    I am going to look into some of the things you take that I have never heard of. Thank you so much for sharing so much info with me! Doctors tend to prescribe things but mine is very supportive of me preferring to take a natural approach, thank goodness!
  • mrspoppersmrspoppers Posts: 7,223Registered Users
    Thanks everyone for the info and the emotional support. On top of the current foot trauma, I have arthritis and fibromyalgia. In the e-booklet I read where the doctor talks about pain isn't just pain, but it is something that affects the rest of your health, your life, and your longevity. He even mentioned that long-term pain can lead to thoughts of suicide. Mine mental state has never strayed that far, but when I am having a flare-up, I do get really depressed with it sometimes. My family, especially my husband, are very supportive and never dismissive of my feelings, physically or mentally. But being overwhelmed by pain can make me feel very alone and isolated even when surrounded by those who care about and for me. Knowing that there are others "out there" who experience what I do or understand what I am going through really touches me.

    You curlies are awesome! :thumbup:

    I will continue to research and try natural alternatives for pain control. I do not want to take narcotics long-term. Anyone want to just list what they take? Here's mine:

    daily multi-vitamin with pro-biotic
    vit C
    Vit B complex
    vit D-3
    vit E
    magnesium (must get better kind though)
    calcium
    potassium
    Ribose
    taurine
    bromelain
    fish oil
    flaxseed oil
    borage oil
    glucosamine chondroitin
    evening primrose oil
    ginko biloba

    Good lord. :-?

    Is fibro the source of your pain? Eliminating Fibromyalgia Pain | Vitality 101
    If so, thyroid and adrenals play an active role in pain and fatigue. If your dr said your thyroid is normal, question how he tested. If he just ran a TSH, ask what the level was. This isn't an adequate. If you're symptomatic, it should be treated regardless of what the tests show since they're so inaccurate.Lab Testing Is NOT Reliable! | Vitality 101

    have you looked for underlying infections? Not many drs do.
    B complex- if you have nerve pain, the you probably need an increase in B6 and methyl B12. I take a B complex and it doesn't have nearly enough B6 and B12 to help my nerve pain. especially if you're taking any prescriptions that rob the body of B vitamins. It's not stored in the body.

    How are you taking the bromelain? It needs to be taken on an empty stomach 3 times a day. Otherwise it acts as a digestive aid.

    definitely add magnesium malate or magnesium taurate (magnesium plus taurine) The malic acid in the mag malate is helpful for muscle pain

    after doing a lot of research, I'm not a big fan of calcium supplementation. It's not needed for bone health.. magnesium and vit D are just as important. So many of our foods are fortified with calcium, that we get a lot more than we think. Calcium is best absorbed from foods and the body stores calcium so we don't need to replenish it the same way as we do magnesium. Unregulated calcium contributes to a lot of health problems including pain. If you want to supplement, you need to take twice as much magnesium as you do calcium otherwise you can't get the benefits of the magnesium because the calcium is using it all (they bind together)

    The product Curamin is excellent for pain. It contains a highly absorbable form of curcumin (from turmeric), dlpa, nattokinase and boswellia. I've used it and it really good. Dr Teitelbaum recommends using a higher dose at the beginning then decreasing it as your pain is under control.

    The product End Pain is also helpful... acts like a nsaid but none of the nasty long term side effects. It contains white willow, cherry extract and boswellia.
    I was going to suggest adding malic acid but crimsonshedemon beat me to it. My husband used this brand of magnesium and malic acid to treat degenerative disk disease and it worked really well. In fact, his pain is now under control, as long as he watches his weight, so he doesn't need to take it anymore.
    When are women going to face the fact that they don’t know their own bodies as well as men who have heard things?

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    Bonsai Culturist
  • goldencurlygoldencurly Posts: 2,385Registered Users
    mrspoppers wrote: »
    I was going to suggest adding malic acid but crimsonshedemon beat me to it. My husband used this brand of magnesium and malic acid to treat degenerative disk disease and it worked really well. In fact, his pain is now under control, as long as he watches his weight, so he doesn't need to take it anymore.

    Thank you!!
  • crimsonshedemoncrimsonshedemon Posts: 2,098Registered Users
    The systemic enzymes need to be taken more than once a day. Most say 3 times a day. I struggle with mid day dosing too. You may want to look at a better systemic enzyme and dosing it better. Initially and during injury, we need around a double dose then we can reduce the dose.
    I've been reading really good things about them for fibro and chronic pain and just for overall health including cancer.
    It's something I'm going to be more strict with.
  • crimsonshedemoncrimsonshedemon Posts: 2,098Registered Users
    mrspoppers wrote: »
    [
    I was going to suggest adding malic acid but crimsonshedemon beat me to it. My husband used this brand of magnesium and malic acid to treat degenerative disk disease and it worked really well. In fact, his pain is now under control, as long as he watches his weight, so he doesn't need to take it anymore.[/QUOTE]

    Look up the benefits of magnesium and you may want him to resume a product with more mag. excellent for so many areas.