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Conditioning Balm Discontinued?

Soooo, the matrix hydratherapie cond. balm has had a formula change in the last year, but the original has now phased off Ulta shelves and off the Matrix website. Walgreens also phased out their BioInfusion "cond. balm" knock off...wondering if the Sally's version is next to go. It's too bad, cuz I just bought a bottle hoping to give it another shot as a leave in...any thoughts? (FYI, the new aloe version did not please my aloe sensitive hair) :(
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]3B, Fine, Normal P, Normal E, Low-Med D
LowP: Kinky Curly Come Clean (50% EVOO)
NoP: As I Am CC
RO: Suave Coconut, VO5 Shea Cashmere
LI: KCKT or CJBCLI or HETT/HENOYF (w/ 8 drops GSO)


"To much is given, much is expected"

Comments

  • Jas76Jas76 Posts: 2,283Registered Users
    Noooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!
    2c/3a/3b, Fine/med, Dense, high porous, & normal elas.

    Lo-poo - Renpure Keratin, SMR, Giovanni SaS
    clarifying - mix Johnson's H2T with low poo
    Co-wash - Suave Nats. clar. or coco.
    RO - GVPCB, Ion Eff. Care, TN.
    LI - SMR, Cure Care, or RO
    Seal - MO or Jojoba
    DT - + honey, ACV, & EVOO to SM masque & GVPCB
    PT - Gelatin!, CNPF
    Styling - FSG, AIF, BRHG, LALS/PS, GF curl spray gel, SM Souffle/Smoothie, LOOB
    Oils - MO!, EVOO, jojoba, GSO, SM Elixer, EVCO, VO5 Hairdressing
  • DepressedCurlsDepressedCurls Posts: 836Registered Users
    Yep i was at Walmart today and they had a buggy full of the products with buy one get two free, trying to get rid of them. :/

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  • pamm3lapamm3la Posts: 70Registered Users
    Omg nooooooooo :((((

    Sent from my T-Mobile myTouch using CurlTalk App
    3B/3C Recovering from heat damaged :/... almost like transitioning because most of my hair is straight it won't curl, thsi is due to sooo many years of using heat without stoping.

    Braid out and twist out are my staple styles right now! Not using heat since December 2011. Still experimenting with products!
  • SpiralSpunkSpiralSpunk Posts: 243Registered Users
    Brb going to Sally's to stock up!
  • Jas76Jas76 Posts: 2,283Registered Users
    A trip to sally's will happen today or tomorrow......

    I'm in mourning right now, btw.

    I don't suppose there's any chance they'll keep it around?


    And does anyone have a CG replacement suggestion??

    I can't believe Matrix got rid of that. I've used that (on and off) for... Well, a lot of years.
    2c/3a/3b, Fine/med, Dense, high porous, & normal elas.

    Lo-poo - Renpure Keratin, SMR, Giovanni SaS
    clarifying - mix Johnson's H2T with low poo
    Co-wash - Suave Nats. clar. or coco.
    RO - GVPCB, Ion Eff. Care, TN.
    LI - SMR, Cure Care, or RO
    Seal - MO or Jojoba
    DT - + honey, ACV, & EVOO to SM masque & GVPCB
    PT - Gelatin!, CNPF
    Styling - FSG, AIF, BRHG, LALS/PS, GF curl spray gel, SM Souffle/Smoothie, LOOB
    Oils - MO!, EVOO, jojoba, GSO, SM Elixer, EVCO, VO5 Hairdressing
  • rymorg2rymorg2 Posts: 2,571Registered Users
    OK that's a new one on me and I WORK in a salon that carries it. We still have it and still get it in, even in the new duos that we've been getting for the holidays. I'm wondering though if the orchid deep conditioner isn't taking it's place.

    I guess this means I should stock up too.
    Cosmetology Educator with sensitivities, eczema and Seborrheic Dermatitis.
    Low poo: looking
    COWash: Eden, cheapo condish, CJDF
    RO: varies
    Protein: CJCF or CJRM
    DT: CJHBDF, CJCR, DBPC
    LI: varies, usually KCKT
    Stylers: KCCC, CRNCM, UFDCM, Curls gel, ecostyler

    Lady Karaan, High Priestess of Hayr Tretements in the Order of Curly Crusaders
    Fotki updated 10/12/10 Password: wavy
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
  • rymorg2rymorg2 Posts: 2,571Registered Users
    I just went to the Matrix site to check and it's still there, under Biolage, hydrating, hyratherape, treatments.
    Cosmetology Educator with sensitivities, eczema and Seborrheic Dermatitis.
    Low poo: looking
    COWash: Eden, cheapo condish, CJDF
    RO: varies
    Protein: CJCF or CJRM
    DT: CJHBDF, CJCR, DBPC
    LI: varies, usually KCKT
    Stylers: KCCC, CRNCM, UFDCM, Curls gel, ecostyler

    Lady Karaan, High Priestess of Hayr Tretements in the Order of Curly Crusaders
    Fotki updated 10/12/10 Password: wavy
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
  • rymorg2rymorg2 Posts: 2,571Registered Users
    Cosmetology Educator with sensitivities, eczema and Seborrheic Dermatitis.
    Low poo: looking
    COWash: Eden, cheapo condish, CJDF
    RO: varies
    Protein: CJCF or CJRM
    DT: CJHBDF, CJCR, DBPC
    LI: varies, usually KCKT
    Stylers: KCCC, CRNCM, UFDCM, Curls gel, ecostyler

    Lady Karaan, High Priestess of Hayr Tretements in the Order of Curly Crusaders
    Fotki updated 10/12/10 Password: wavy
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
  • Jas76Jas76 Posts: 2,283Registered Users
    Really?????????? Oh please, gods of all hair producty goodness, please let it be not discontinued or reformulated to be non-cg!!!
    2c/3a/3b, Fine/med, Dense, high porous, & normal elas.

    Lo-poo - Renpure Keratin, SMR, Giovanni SaS
    clarifying - mix Johnson's H2T with low poo
    Co-wash - Suave Nats. clar. or coco.
    RO - GVPCB, Ion Eff. Care, TN.
    LI - SMR, Cure Care, or RO
    Seal - MO or Jojoba
    DT - + honey, ACV, & EVOO to SM masque & GVPCB
    PT - Gelatin!, CNPF
    Styling - FSG, AIF, BRHG, LALS/PS, GF curl spray gel, SM Souffle/Smoothie, LOOB
    Oils - MO!, EVOO, jojoba, GSO, SM Elixer, EVCO, VO5 Hairdressing
  • rymorg2rymorg2 Posts: 2,571Registered Users
    I can't guarantee it hasn't been reformulated, but I will check the bottles at work on Monday first thing when I go. The site doesn't list ingredients.
    Cosmetology Educator with sensitivities, eczema and Seborrheic Dermatitis.
    Low poo: looking
    COWash: Eden, cheapo condish, CJDF
    RO: varies
    Protein: CJCF or CJRM
    DT: CJHBDF, CJCR, DBPC
    LI: varies, usually KCKT
    Stylers: KCCC, CRNCM, UFDCM, Curls gel, ecostyler

    Lady Karaan, High Priestess of Hayr Tretements in the Order of Curly Crusaders
    Fotki updated 10/12/10 Password: wavy
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
  • rymorg2rymorg2 Posts: 2,571Registered Users
    Oh and if for some reason it is, the Biolage orchid color bloom mask deep treatment is totally CG. Cone free, protein free, moisture only. It does have glycerin though.
    Cosmetology Educator with sensitivities, eczema and Seborrheic Dermatitis.
    Low poo: looking
    COWash: Eden, cheapo condish, CJDF
    RO: varies
    Protein: CJCF or CJRM
    DT: CJHBDF, CJCR, DBPC
    LI: varies, usually KCKT
    Stylers: KCCC, CRNCM, UFDCM, Curls gel, ecostyler

    Lady Karaan, High Priestess of Hayr Tretements in the Order of Curly Crusaders
    Fotki updated 10/12/10 Password: wavy
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
  • Jas76Jas76 Posts: 2,283Registered Users
    Thanks for the heads up!! Once GVP comes out with a generic of that I'll pick it up! ;)
    2c/3a/3b, Fine/med, Dense, high porous, & normal elas.

    Lo-poo - Renpure Keratin, SMR, Giovanni SaS
    clarifying - mix Johnson's H2T with low poo
    Co-wash - Suave Nats. clar. or coco.
    RO - GVPCB, Ion Eff. Care, TN.
    LI - SMR, Cure Care, or RO
    Seal - MO or Jojoba
    DT - + honey, ACV, & EVOO to SM masque & GVPCB
    PT - Gelatin!, CNPF
    Styling - FSG, AIF, BRHG, LALS/PS, GF curl spray gel, SM Souffle/Smoothie, LOOB
    Oils - MO!, EVOO, jojoba, GSO, SM Elixer, EVCO, VO5 Hairdressing
  • curry curlscurry curls Posts: 969Registered Users Curl Dabbler
    This has been my favorite rinse out for the last few years. I went to Sally's today and stocked up. They had 5 bottles left. I asked the girl about it being discontinued, and she said it wasn't...the GVP balm. She said she also didn't see that it would be discontinued. I wanted to be on the safe side anyway. :)
    Started CG July 8, 2008 :)


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    Co-wash: Trader Joe's Tea Tree Tingle or Trader Joe's Nourish Spa
    Rinse out: Ion Effective Care Treatment
    Leave-in/Styling: Alba Botanica leave in with Kenra Moisturizing Conditioner :love2: on top
  • NvmbrCurlssNvmbrCurlss Posts: 732Registered Users
    This could be good if I'm just confused. However, I know the original version to have no aloe, just rosemary, goldenseal and bladder whack. The reformulated version has added aloe in the ingredients and a small aloe icon on the packaging that reads "new"....however, the only conditioning balm I see on the link to the website is the package with an aloe icon. Am I way behind? and everyone using the balm is already accustomed to the aloe version???? Am I longing for a version long gone? :(
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]3B, Fine, Normal P, Normal E, Low-Med D
    LowP: Kinky Curly Come Clean (50% EVOO)
    NoP: As I Am CC
    RO: Suave Coconut, VO5 Shea Cashmere
    LI: KCKT or CJBCLI or HETT/HENOYF (w/ 8 drops GSO)


    "To much is given, much is expected"
  • NvmbrCurlssNvmbrCurlss Posts: 732Registered Users
    Also, I have not read the ingredients to Sally's version, but does this also have aloe?
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]3B, Fine, Normal P, Normal E, Low-Med D
    LowP: Kinky Curly Come Clean (50% EVOO)
    NoP: As I Am CC
    RO: Suave Coconut, VO5 Shea Cashmere
    LI: KCKT or CJBCLI or HETT/HENOYF (w/ 8 drops GSO)


    "To much is given, much is expected"
  • NvmbrCurlssNvmbrCurlss Posts: 732Registered Users
    Even the "Ultra-Hydrating Balm" on the website says its added aloe+passion fruit as "new"...
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]3B, Fine, Normal P, Normal E, Low-Med D
    LowP: Kinky Curly Come Clean (50% EVOO)
    NoP: As I Am CC
    RO: Suave Coconut, VO5 Shea Cashmere
    LI: KCKT or CJBCLI or HETT/HENOYF (w/ 8 drops GSO)


    "To much is given, much is expected"
  • DaiseeDayDaiseeDay Posts: 94Registered Users
    Also, I have not read the ingredients to Sally's version, but does this also have aloe?

    The Sally's version does not have aloe that I know of. If Matrix did add aloe I wonder how long it would take Sally's to catch up.
    ~ Dense, fine, low porosity ~
  • rymorg2rymorg2 Posts: 2,571Registered Users
    OH yeah that aloe reformulation was quite awhile back. If you have been using it recently, like within the last 5-6 months or so and had no issues then you should be fine. I think it was July-ish but I could be wrong.
    Cosmetology Educator with sensitivities, eczema and Seborrheic Dermatitis.
    Low poo: looking
    COWash: Eden, cheapo condish, CJDF
    RO: varies
    Protein: CJCF or CJRM
    DT: CJHBDF, CJCR, DBPC
    LI: varies, usually KCKT
    Stylers: KCCC, CRNCM, UFDCM, Curls gel, ecostyler

    Lady Karaan, High Priestess of Hayr Tretements in the Order of Curly Crusaders
    Fotki updated 10/12/10 Password: wavy
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
  • rymorg2rymorg2 Posts: 2,571Registered Users
    As for the tubes, they started putting smaller amounts in tubes long before the reformulation. They still have it in tubs also. If you need something without aloe, the orchid doesn't have it.

    eta the orchid does have a little bit of isopropyl alcohol in it though....but I use it regularly and it doesn't dry me out. Sometimes companies add a little bit of it to increase absorption, which is what I'm assuming is the case here.
    Cosmetology Educator with sensitivities, eczema and Seborrheic Dermatitis.
    Low poo: looking
    COWash: Eden, cheapo condish, CJDF
    RO: varies
    Protein: CJCF or CJRM
    DT: CJHBDF, CJCR, DBPC
    LI: varies, usually KCKT
    Stylers: KCCC, CRNCM, UFDCM, Curls gel, ecostyler

    Lady Karaan, High Priestess of Hayr Tretements in the Order of Curly Crusaders
    Fotki updated 10/12/10 Password: wavy
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
  • MKcurlyMKcurly Posts: 103Registered Users
    If you can't do aloe try their smooth line. It's my favorite but doesn't get much love on NC.

    Right now at Ulta the matrix liter are buy two get one free plus they have 5 dollar of coupons. If you start watching for sales there you can get them for about 14-16 a liter. A better deal than the generic! (at least with the way it's priced at the sally's by me)
  • NvmbrCurlssNvmbrCurlss Posts: 732Registered Users
    I may just try the smooth and orchid line! Yay! Thanks guys!!!!!!

    *pj mental note...
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]3B, Fine, Normal P, Normal E, Low-Med D
    LowP: Kinky Curly Come Clean (50% EVOO)
    NoP: As I Am CC
    RO: Suave Coconut, VO5 Shea Cashmere
    LI: KCKT or CJBCLI or HETT/HENOYF (w/ 8 drops GSO)


    "To much is given, much is expected"
  • jaclyn15jaclyn15 Posts: 227Registered Users
    I just bought the last 3 bottles at my local Sally's... Not sure if they were low on inventory or phasing out. Say it ain't so!!!!!!!
    My hair: 3b, corkicelli, medium porosity, medium texture, medium/thick density

    Co-wash: DevaCurl NoPoo
    Rinse-out: GVP Conditioning Balm
    Leave-in: KCKT, Suave Naturals Coconut, or my rinse-out!
    Gel: SS FHG (my new HG!!)... I also like HESMU, AIF, CJ CQ, BRHG, CJ PP and the occasional LALSG

    Likes: Plopping!
    Dislikes: Glycerin

    CG and loving it! :hello1:
  • gardencurlsgardencurls Posts: 573Registered Users
    I've never used the actual "Matrix" version, but I love the GVP version (except the scent). These are the ingredients on the back of my bottle:

    Water, Propylene Glycol, Myristyl Alcohol, Cetrimonium Chloride, Cetearyl Alcohol, Decyl Oleate, Phenoxyethanol, Methylparaben, Fragrance, Propylparaben, Hexyl Cinnamal, Rosemary Leaf Extract, Golden Seal Extract, Bladderwack Extract, Methyl-2-Octynoate

    I think GVP continues to manufacture a lot of formulations that the original brand names discontinued. In most cases, Sally Beauty Holdings owns both the original brand and the GVP brand so they can continue to profit from the formulas when the salon brands update their product lines. (I don't think Paul Mitchell Super Clean Gel is still around, but GVP still makes it...)
    3b/c, Coarse, Low Porosity, Desert Climate
    CG since August 2011/Occasionally Minimally Modified since 2013
    Favorites: Beautiful Nutrition Cocoa Curl Cleansing Conditioner, Beautiful Nutrition Cocoa Curl High Definition Moisture Gel, Beautiful Nutrition UltraLight Lime Jel Control Serum, Beautiful Nutrition Lemon Rinse Clarifying Treatment
  • BeebopBeebop Posts: 456Registered Users
    I'm bumping this old thread to find out if Rymorg ever found out if the Biolage conditioning balm was reformulated because when I click on it on their website it list Shea butter and silk amino acids as part of the ingredients and I know those are in the ultra hydrating but not sure if they also added it to the regular conditioning balm? Thanks!
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]Curly in AZ-2c-3a/Cherub/fine-med. texture/high porosity/normal elasticity/highlighted
    Wash-Desert essence mango, Giovanni pineapple ginger, Dermorganic curl cleanser
    Cond.- Desert essence mango, Giovanni pineapple ginger, Dermorganic curl conditioner
    Leave In- Conditioner large pea size
    Stylers- Condition 3-in-1 mousse, Biologe mousse, Bioterra gel, Paul Mitchell sculpting foam,original sprout gel, BRHG,O'right golden rose serum, Shaper hairspray for extra hold.:coffee2::coffee:
  • JulesonlineJulesonline Posts: 444Registered Users
    None of the containers I've seen around have that.
    JulesOnline
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
    3A/B? A corkicelli mix of ringlets, spirals, helixes & s-shaped curls
    Medium-fine texture, normal porosity, normal elasticity


    Summer: pink; Winter: Blue; Year Round: green
    Lo-Poo:Giovanni SAS sulfate free poo, L'Oreal Evercream CC
    Co-wash: TNRV, VO5 Vanilla Mint Tea, TNNM
    RO/LI:
    YTC, Nexxus Hydra-light w/ CNPF GVPCB, Biolage CB, TNNM, Giovanni SAS
    Styler: KCCC FSG, BRHG, LALSG



  • BeebopBeebop Posts: 456Registered Users
    None of the containers I've seen around have that.

    thanks for your quick reply! So it is still the regular ingredients plus aloe?
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]Curly in AZ-2c-3a/Cherub/fine-med. texture/high porosity/normal elasticity/highlighted
    Wash-Desert essence mango, Giovanni pineapple ginger, Dermorganic curl cleanser
    Cond.- Desert essence mango, Giovanni pineapple ginger, Dermorganic curl conditioner
    Leave In- Conditioner large pea size
    Stylers- Condition 3-in-1 mousse, Biologe mousse, Bioterra gel, Paul Mitchell sculpting foam,original sprout gel, BRHG,O'right golden rose serum, Shaper hairspray for extra hold.:coffee2::coffee: