Why no thread on Benghazi?

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  • scrillsscrills Posts: 6,700Registered Users
    And Im confused. Want obama criticized for moving too fast on the east coast.


    If you don't llike him just say you don't like him. No need to make things up. He is human. He will make mistake. Why not wait until an actual issue

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  • curlyarcacurlyarca Posts: 8,449Registered Users
    yossarian wrote: »
    poisonivy wrote: »
    I'm sure the house and the senate will get to the bottom of it. The truth will come out either for or against Obama.

    It already is coming out, which is why the Petraeus Affair(s) broke now. The look on Peter King's face after Petraeus testified yesterday said it all - shellshocked. The hearings were intended to ensnare Obama, but instead have taken down a military hero and likely GOP presidential candidate in 2016.

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    Exactly. They're trying to find a way to impeach the president, just like they did Clinton....but I guess they better go call up Kenneth Starr or something because they're taking down "their own" in the process. LOL

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  • curlyarcacurlyarca Posts: 8,449Registered Users
    CocoT wrote: »
    I'm confused about why this is still the primary topic of interest among the conservative circle. What exactly is the issue here as it applies to the Obama Administration? Besides the fact that 4 people were killed. He called it an act of terror. What else is the issue?

    Ok, let me break it down for you.

    Barack Obama's dad was Kenyan. Secretly, Obama is also a Kenyan terrorist, because he was not born here. When Obama was "campaigning" he was actually calling his friends to kill the Ambassador. That's how he knew it was a terrorist attack.

    Got it?

    Oh, and if Obama had lost the election, this would not have been a big issue. Which is why John McCain skipped a hearing on this to call a press conference on this. Because he's busy and ****.

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  • curlyarcacurlyarca Posts: 8,449Registered Users
    You know what's really big news? Israel and Gaza. Instead of sitting in rooms listening to Petraeus tell the truth they already knew about, they need to be trying to calm that mess down. Another big news story? This fiscal cliff mess. It's funny how the economy issues apparently don't exist anymore.

    As far as Sandy is concerned, are you kidding?
    This is the image burned into my brain from Katrina:
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    The response to (and prep for) Sandy has been much, much better. Please don't even open your mouth. You don't know what you're talking about and you're just trying to start mess.

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  • curlyarcacurlyarca Posts: 8,449Registered Users
    Poisonivy, what actually happened in Benghazi. Explain to us how the Anti-Christ pulled the strings to start this rolling right along.

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  • Myradella3Myradella3 Posts: 2,481Registered Users
    Why no thread? Cause nobody had started one but since you did....

    Did you know that the Battle of Bunker Hill was actually at Breed's Hill?
    What caused WWI: the Alsace Lorraine, the assassination of some duke or the sinking of a ship (Lusitania?)?
    Who killed John Kennedy? Malcolm X?

    Tragic events have occurred throughout history and will again in the future. Distortions and confusion happen in the fog of war (Condoleeza Rice said that). There are some things that we will never have definitive answers for and my guess is that this is one of them. we should try to find out so reduce the chance of something similar happening again.
  • ss40ss40 Posts: 1,790Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    Real talk. There was no thread because we don't have the facts other than 1. The protests 2. The attack 3. The death of 4 diplomats.

    The title of this story, terrorist attack v. spontaneous attack is irrelevant. The "tragedy" in Aurora Co was a terrorist attack & I suppose there was an Intel breakdown on the sikh temple "massacre". Don't see any hearings on that & America lost more than 4 those days. So ya'll can miss me with the linguistics of this.

    But I will take the logistics if getting Israel to calm down or the fiscal cliff for 500 Alex.

    The GOP is looking for scandal in Obama's camp. Hillary is the fall guy for Benghazi, if you didn't notice. Petraeus was a casualty, but don't worry he gets the Susan B. Anthony at the airport. Petraeus did his job well. He will be giving 100k speaking engagements before long & he'll find a new "biographer"

    I imagine that what happened in Benghazi was a lot like what happened in Pakistan when they caught Bin Laden. A raid. Ask the Pakistani government what they knew before hand? Don't worry I'll wait. Their heads are still spinning. More security wouldn't have pushed back the attack timeline for the terrorist group. If Obama
    gets impeached for this, there should be criminal trials for Bush, Cheney, Rice, & the rest of the last administration. The lies we were told led to the most economically destructive time in our country since the depression.

    run tell dat.

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  • yossarianyossarian Posts: 967Registered Users
    curlyarca wrote: »
    The response to (and prep for) Sandy has been much, much better. Please don't even open your mouth. You don't know what you're talking about and you're just trying to start mess.

    As of yesterday (Nov 16) NJ Republican Gov Chris Christie still had nothing but glowing praise for Obama and the federal response. Guess he doesn't know what he's talking about. You should give him your expert insight.



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  • curlyarcacurlyarca Posts: 8,449Registered Users
    yossarian wrote: »
    curlyarca wrote: »
    The response to (and prep for) Sandy has been much, much better. Please don't even open your mouth. You don't know what you're talking about and you're just trying to start mess.

    As of yesterday (Nov 16) NJ Republican Gov Chris Christie still had nothing but glowing praise for Obama and the federal response. Guess he doesn't know what he's talking about. You should give him your expert insight.



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    Ok, because I think I'm agreeing with him! :lol:

    I was responding to poisonivy's comment indicating that the Superstorm and Hurricane Sandy disaster has been grossly mishandled, like the Hurricane Katrina response.

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  • poisonivypoisonivy Posts: 1,551Registered Users
    curlyarca wrote: »
    Poisonivy, what actually happened in Benghazi. Explain to us how the Anti-Christ pulled the strings to start this rolling right along.

    I have no idea what your talking about.
  • medussamedussa Posts: 12,993Registered Users
    curlyarca wrote: »
    yossarian wrote: »
    curlyarca wrote: »
    The response to (and prep for) Sandy has been much, much better. Please don't even open your mouth. You don't know what you're talking about and you're just trying to start mess.

    As of yesterday (Nov 16) NJ Republican Gov Chris Christie still had nothing but glowing praise for Obama and the federal response. Guess he doesn't know what he's talking about. You should give him your expert insight.



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    Ok, because I think I'm agreeing with him! :lol:

    I was responding to poisonivy's comment indicating that the Superstorm and Hurricane Sandy disaster has been grossly mishandled, like the Hurricane Katrina response.

    Yossarian was also responding to PoisonIvy. Governor Chrisitie, a Republican, has been very vocal in his criticism of President Obama in the past, but he's had nothing but positive things to say about Obama and the federal response. I agree with both of you. It's ridiculous to even try to compare the response to these two tragic events. But I guess the point is to get a reaction.
    curlyarca wrote: »
    You don't know what you're talking about and you're just trying to start mess.

    I agree with you. Very transparent.
  • emthefantasticalemthefantastical Posts: 962Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/10/libya-consulate-embassy-attacks-obama-romney

    Again, why is this a political issue, when there were 7 embassy and consulate attacks under GW?? If the attack under Obama is a sign of American weakness or whatever the hell conservatives are spouting right now then GW's America must have been the weakest of them all.

    Donald Rumsfeld was Secretary of War Defense between 2001 and 2006, so none of this should be news to him:

    June 14, 2002, U.S. consulate in Karachi, Pakistan
    Suicide bomber kills 12 and injures 51.
    February 20, 2003, international diplomatic compound in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia
    Truck bomb kills 17.

    February 28, 2003, U.S. consulate in Karachi, Pakistan
    Gunmen on motorcycles killed two consulate guards.

    July 30, 2004, U.S. embassy in Taskkent, Uzbekistan
    Suicide bomber kills two.

    December 6, 2004, U.S. consulate in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia
    Militants stormed and occupied perimeter wall. Five killed, 10 wounded.

    March 2, 2006, U.S. consulate in Karachi, Pakistan
    Suicide car bomber killed four, including a U.S. diplomate directly targeted by the assailants.

    September 12, 2006, U.S. embassy in Damascus, Syria
    Gunmen attacked embassy with grenades, automatic weapons, and a car bomb (though second truck bomb failed to detonate). One killed and 13 wounded.

    January 12, 2007, U.S. embassy in Athens, Greece
    A rocket-propelled grenade was fired at the embassy building. No one was injured.

    July 9, 2008, U.S. consulate in Istanbul, Turkey
    Armed men attacked consulate with pistols and shotguns. Three policemen killed.

    March 18, 2008, U.S. embassy in Sana'a, Yemen
    Mortar attack misses embassy, hits nearby girls' school instead.

    September 17, 2008, U.S. embassy in Sana'a, Yemen
    Militants dressed as policemen attacked the embassy with RPGs, rifles, grenades and car bombs. Six Yemeni soldiers and seven civilians were killed. Sixteen more were injured.

    As for Obama, the attacks in Cairo and Benghazi are the first two attacks on a U.S. diplomatic mission in an ostensibly peaceful country during his entire presidency—and they were sparked by that idiot wingnut Islamophobe Terri Jones. The embassy in Afghanistan was targeted by the Taliban last Sept. 13, but that's a country at war. So conservatives want to claim that obamas "weak" administration caused these riots. Tally the numbers.
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  • Jenny CJenny C Posts: 1,195Registered Users
    poisonivy wrote: »

    Obama isn't doing a much better job on the east coast right now. It's an absolute disaster.

    I'm on the Jersey Shore and yes it's a disaster, but I'm wondering if you think a different president would have the entire coast cleaned up and rebuilt by now. After all it's been three weeks.

    What exactly are you expecting Obama to do? I don't mean that in a snarky way, I'm really curious. The recovery is not perfect, but people are doing the best they can, and I think Christie has done a good job and he thinks the president is doing a good job. What more do you want?

    As for Benghazi, I don't think regular people are that up in arms over what the White House said the cause of the attacks were and when they said it. It's just not sticking as a major issue. I kind of think most people really don't care. Figuring out where intelligence and security failed and preventing it from happening again - that's what's important.

    I don't blame Bush for 9/11 and I don't blame Obama for this. Terrorists are crazy and they are the ones to blame.
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  • CocoTCocoT Posts: 5,330Registered Users
    I'm noticing the majority of this animosity about Benghazi is targeted toward Obama and not the terrorists/attackers. That's ridiculous to me.



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  • SpringcurlSpringcurl Posts: 8,002Registered Users
    CocoT wrote: »
    I'm noticing the majority of this animosity about Benghazi is targeted toward Obama and not the terrorists/attackers. That's ridiculous to me.



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    Some conspiracy theorists (not sure if Fox has joined in on this) are saying Obama watched the whole thing happen live by video feed.
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  • mrspoppersmrspoppers Posts: 7,223Registered Users Curl Novice
    Jenny C wrote: »
    poisonivy wrote: »

    Obama isn't doing a much better job on the east coast right now. It's an absolute disaster.

    I'm on the Jersey Shore and yes it's a disaster, but I'm wondering if you think a different president would have the entire coast cleaned up and rebuilt by now. After all it's been three weeks.

    What exactly are you expecting Obama to do? I don't mean that in a snarky way, I'm really curious. The recovery is not perfect, but people are doing the best they can, and I think Christie has done a good job and he thinks the president is doing a good job. What more do you want?

    As for Benghazi, I don't think regular people are that up in arms over what the White House said the cause of the attacks were and when they said it. It's just not sticking as a major issue. I kind of think most people really don't care. Figuring out where intelligence and security failed and preventing it from happening again - that's what's important.

    I don't blame Bush for 9/11 and I don't blame Obama for this. Terrorists are crazy and they are the ones to blame.
    I agree with you. What's interesting is that during the week between Sandy and the election, the republicans were saying Obama--get this--acted to quickly and did too much too soon. Which is it, a disaster or too much?

    When 9/11 happened, I had pretty positive things to say about Bush in the first weeks. I remember feeling like he was trying really hard to pull the country together in those first weeks. In fact, I'd say a lot of people, regardless of party, felt pretty much the same thing to say. Even when it came out that "they should have known" it was going to happen, I didn't blame Bush or even Clinton personally for that.

    The racing to blame Obama for this is crazy. When I hear someone blaming him for Benghazi and saying he didn't call it an act of terrorism soon enough, I completely disregard every other word that comes out of that person's mouth because I know they are full of *****. Obama is damned if he does and damned if he doesn't.
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  • Myradella3Myradella3 Posts: 2,481Registered Users
    To this day, when I see clips of GB standing at Ground Zero saying that the people who knocked down the buildings were gonna hear from us, I get goose bumps, full of support for my president. He was right and most loyal citizens thought so.
  • poisonivypoisonivy Posts: 1,551Registered Users
    Springcurl wrote: »
    CocoT wrote: »
    I'm noticing the majority of this animosity about Benghazi is targeted toward Obama and not the terrorists/attackers. That's ridiculous to me.



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    Some conspiracy theorists (not sure if Fox has joined in on this) are saying Obama watched the whole thing happen live by video feed.

    Do you think he was napping?
  • SpringcurlSpringcurl Posts: 8,002Registered Users
    poisonivy wrote: »
    Springcurl wrote: »
    CocoT wrote: »
    I'm noticing the majority of this animosity about Benghazi is targeted toward Obama and not the terrorists/attackers. That's ridiculous to me.



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    Some conspiracy theorists (not sure if Fox has joined in on this) are saying Obama watched the whole thing happen live by video feed.

    Do you think he was napping?

    Oh, so you're one of them! No more need to say a word to you then.
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  • murrrcatmurrrcat Posts: 9,596Registered Users
    poisonivy wrote: »
    Springcurl wrote: »
    CocoT wrote: »
    I'm noticing the majority of this animosity about Benghazi is targeted toward Obama and not the terrorists/attackers. That's ridiculous to me.



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    Some conspiracy theorists (not sure if Fox has joined in on this) are saying Obama watched the whole thing happen live by video feed.

    Do you think he was napping?

    he was probably sitting on his booty collecting a welfare check, etc etc.
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  • EilonwyEilonwy Posts: 12,391Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    Four of our citizens were murdered, it's a bad thing, our politicians should treat this with the solemnity it deserves and work together to assess what happened and how similar events can be prevented in the future.


    Not that I'd ever expect that to actually happen.
  • scrillsscrills Posts: 6,700Registered Users
    Can someone call RCC to this thread. We have another one who need to stock up on dry goods in preparation for the upcoming civil war

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  • wild~hairwild~hair Posts: 9,890Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    ^ Exactly.

    It was Nov. 8, sometime in the afternoon that I made a sudden and sobering realization. That not a single conservative person I personally know seems to have even a slender grasp on reality. They are all operating in the bubble, fueled by the media of their choosing which only serves to reinforce their existing beliefs.

    It's gotten to the point I cannot even track what they are talking about -- their version of the events of the day is so different from the one the rest of the world seems to be grappling with.

    I'm not saying there are NO conservatives operating in the same reality I recognize. It stands to reason there are quite a few. I'm just saying I personally don't know of any right now. Not a one.

    I found myself trying, quite hard, that day, to have a reasonable, sane conversation with a couple of them, one a friend, the other a cousin. Both appeared to be, quite objectively, bat**** crazy and completely out of touch, spouting conspiracy theories and a lot of other nonsense.

    Sad.
  • redcelticcurlsredcelticcurls Posts: 17,502Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    scrills wrote: »
    Can someone call RCC to this thread. We have another one who need to stock up on dry goods in preparation for the upcoming civil war

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  • OBBOBB Posts: 4,174Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    scrills wrote: »
    Can someone call RCC to this thread. We have another one who need to stock up on dry goods in preparation for the upcoming civil war

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  • theliothelio Posts: 5,374Registered Users
    i think this was a tragic event. in stead of focusing on the president, shouldnt we be focusing on getting the terriorist who did this? now if it comes to light that he knew about the attacks before hand and did nothing to stop it, he needs to be punshing right along side the terriorist.

    And I so dont want to derail this thread, but obama is doing an amazing job as far as Sandy goes. I wish He was in office when Katrina hit. Where was bush? On freaking vacation!!! When the gov and mayor was begging for help? he was Celebrating Mccain's birthday!! when firefighters came to help what did he do? Instead of letting them help he used them as props in a photo opt. I dont have to look at pictures or hear about other peoples experiences, I was there and I know what happen. I know Bush took forever to help us. He seemed to ignore us. He lied when he said he knew nothing about the possibility of the levees breaking. He was video taped when he was notified by Michael Brown that the levees may not hold. His administration claimed that they had no clue, but everyone and their momma has been saying the levees would not hold for the pass 20 billion years!! Bush is full of ish and did nothing to help the people in new orleans. point blank!!

    As far as 9/11 is anyone is really that delusional if they think Bush was honest. first of all, how the help we go from searching for bin laden, to "Iraq has WMD's and is going to kill us. oh yeah, we havnt found them yet but we know they are there. trust us. they are terrorist trying to kill us" Colin Powell has even said that was the biggest mistake America has ever made.
  • OBBOBB Posts: 4,174Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    The reason why info was slow coming out from Benghazi because it had become a base of operation for the CIA. Two of the four victims were CIA operatives.
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