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Is CJ pattern pusha a firm hold gel?

I'm looking for a firm hold gel and PP gets great reviews, but is it firm hold? I've also been considering spiral solutions firm hold gel, any thoughts on the two?
2a/b
medium/thick
high porosity (from coloring)

Shampoo: Mop Top Gentle Shampoo
Co-wash: Chistophe Robin Lemon Cleansing Cream
RO: CJ strengthening, Kenra moisturizing
LI: Jessicurl Aloeba
DT: CJ rehab, Christophe Robin Prickly Pear Mask
PT: SS protein treatment, Ouidad 12 minute
Stylers: Jessicurl RR, SS Firm Hold Gel
Oils: caudalie, sweet almond

Comments

  • triple_spiraltriple_spiral Posts: 249Registered Users
    For me, no unless I used ALOT of it....which I wasn't gonna do because it's expensive. That was in the summer though - I need to try it again now that it's cold and dry.
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    4a?? Maybe 3c...some 4b??? No clue

    tiny s-waves, coils, and spirals


    - Cleanser: CJ Daily Fix or KC Come Clean
    - Co-wash: Suave Naturals or V05
    - RO: GVP Conditioning Balm or Tresemme Naturals
    -Stylers: Garnier Pure Clean Gel, CJ Aloe Fix, KCCC


    "I remember your childhood hair....flowin' wild at the county fair" - kelley stoltz

    "and all the hours that you've been sitting at your vanity....may they carry you far from your misery" - conor oberst
  • seamelody14seamelody14 Posts: 282Registered Users
    Actually, come to think of it, is KCCC considered firm hold? That's my hardest holding product, and I want something that just a tad harder hold than that. So I'm not quite sure if looking for medium hold, firm hold, or hard hold. I'm used to soft to no hold.
    2a/b
    medium/thick
    high porosity (from coloring)

    Shampoo: Mop Top Gentle Shampoo
    Co-wash: Chistophe Robin Lemon Cleansing Cream
    RO: CJ strengthening, Kenra moisturizing
    LI: Jessicurl Aloeba
    DT: CJ rehab, Christophe Robin Prickly Pear Mask
    PT: SS protein treatment, Ouidad 12 minute
    Stylers: Jessicurl RR, SS Firm Hold Gel
    Oils: caudalie, sweet almond
  • SunshineGrrlSunshineGrrl Posts: 3,823Registered Users
    KCCC gives me crispy curls until I scrunch out the crunch. PP doesn't really go crispy for me at all. If I were to hazard a guess (for my hair), I would categorize it as slightly less hold than KCCC. When I use it, I get huuuuuggggeee waves and/or curls instead of the smaller s pattern waves I have normally.

  • elizardelizard Posts: 284Registered Users
    i've only had a sample of pattern pusha. it wasn't harder hold than KCCC. SS FHG is NOT a firm hold gel in my opinion. i have an almost full container that i'd sell you for $8 if you want to try it. i haven't found anything harder hold than KCCC that i like much. i've been cyclig through some drugstore gels that are ok but not great... currently using paul mitchell extra body.
    2b/c wavy modified CG since July 2012
    medium texture, normal porosity, normal elasticity
    hair likes protein, doesn't like oils, easily OC'd

    low poo: JCHCC, CJGCS
    RO/co-wash/LI: YTCarrots, DB Pumpkin Seed
    stylers: a bunch of stylers that are all pretty much the same (KCCC, UFDCM, CRCM, CKCJ) or ArcAngel if I need more hold
    DT/PT: CJRM, CNPF
  • StarmieStarmie Posts: 6,681Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    Pattern Pusha has absolutely no hold whatsoever for me. I can't even tell it's in my hair, I'm at a loss as to what it's actually supposed to do!
    3b in South Australia.
  • Who Me?Who Me? Posts: 3,181Registered Users
    I just tried this for the first time, along with some other curl junkie products. The only issue is that I really need some additional hold. I was just about to come here and ask! My curls are bouncy and look great except they get too frizzy and my hair too big...I just need something to put on at the end. Ideally something with no cones, no protein, and no glycerin. Any suggestions?
    "I don't know! I don't know why I did it, I don't know why I enjoyed it, and I don't know why I'll do it again!" -BART SIMPSON
  • Robin-in-FLRobin-in-FL Posts: 1,731Registered Users
    Pattern Pusha did not get along with my hair at all. I don't think I have moldable hair. And it flaked up. The CJ Curl Queen is nice and medium hold, it has such a loud smell though (and not the fantastic CCCC smell). And costs a lot.

    Thus far I always come back to the Deva Arc Angel no matter what I try. Well ever since Pantene stopped making that spray gel - it was pretty much the same thing I think... I think my hair likes glycerin OK and the hold is not crazy hard so I can use enough to distribute it. And it comes in big quart bottles.
    2c / C / iii (FIA)
    Med-Coarse, LowPorosity, NormalElast (LCLF)

    Shoulder-Length now.

    Wash: DevaCare Low Poo
    Detangle & Rinseout: Walgreens or Sally's Conditioning Balm (always)
    Leave-in: DevaCare OneC (budget choice is GFTN)
    Style: ReCoil & DevaCare Arc Angel (budget choices are HESMU or Got2BSpikedUp)

    Henna!
  • Knotty_MaddyKnotty_Maddy Posts: 518Registered Users
    I use KY jelly for my glycerin fix :) works awesome! I have heard the Walmart's Equate brand works every bit as well, and for $2 something a tube, can't go wrong ;p just cut the tube with the same amount of water. And voila, CHS Curl Keeper for cheap :) I wish I could at least try PP, I live in Canada and we can't buy it locally, so it has to be internet shopping....too expensive for a product that might not work ;p
    Finer, mixed with coarser strands, low-porosity, wavy curly whirly hair...3A, 2C hair. Medium thickness, medium elasticity.
    S-shaped hair with corkscrew ends. My hair is even more confused than me ;p
    My hair officially hates protein ;) Once a month is enough!
    Currently a fan of TiGi products, (rock on, TiGi Curlesque styling creme!) but that will soon change - I am a self-avowed product junkie! Yay! :D
    BIG fan of supersoaker method - thanks Rudeechick!
  • hondo1hondo1 Posts: 54Registered Users
    The hardest hold gel I've ever found is BioSilk Rock Hard Gelee. The best. It's really hard but scrunchable after it dries. Also makes my hair shiny.
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    Mod CG since Sept 2012
    3A/B, Medium Texture, Normal Porosity & Elasticity
    Semi big chop Sept, 2012 (lost 8 inches) and still trying to figure out a workable routine.
    Shampoo: Mixed Chicks Sulfate Free
    DT CJ Repair Me
    RO/LI: Tresemme Naturals, Satin Roots, CJ Smoothing Lotion
    Stylers: Curl Keeper, SM Curl & Style Milk, CJ Curl Queen, CJ Pattern Pusha, UF Curly Magic
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  • shellyRN07swavyshellyRN07swavy Posts: 309Registered Users
    I have PP gel, and I agree with the others that it is does not have hardly any hold to it. I anagain agree that it gives great clumps and shine. I do use this gel as my first layer. I find using more than one layer is the only way to control my frizz. I then layer either arcangel or CJ CQ next,and smasters with KCCC. I some times switch out PPgel with CIAB. But to your question, it definitely dose not have more hold. I think arcangel or curl queen are the best.

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    2b/c CG since 8/12
    I have low porosity and fine/med texture. Easily weighed down and VERY frizzy crown, with straighter under layers

    Low-poo:TJ TTT, CJ GCS
    LI/RO/DC: CK Satin Roots,Sevi Pumpkin, SSI Okra reconstructor, CJ SAC,CJ RM
    Stylers: AG Recoil, JC SS
    Jellies: CK Coil Jam, Okra gel(HG)
    Gel: JC CC, Ouidad H&H gel, Ouidad moisture lock gel

    Hair loves moisture:love3: protein.
    MUST Pixie diffuse.

    My hair dose NOT like oils, butters or polyquats:twisted: Or glycerin in high dews