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Advice for all 3 of us

I am looking for strategies for me and my 2 daughters. I am not sure where they got their hair but I love it! Just by looking at the model pictures on this site, I would say I am 2A to 2B, depending on the day, DD14 is 2C or 3A, and DD11 is 3A or 3B. They love their curls and I would like more out of my hair. I have done some reading and note-taking here, thought I would post and see if anyone else had suggestions.

For me- my hair is fairly fine and thin and limp. It can curl really good in humidity. It's pretty much different from day to day. I've been using Pantene shampoo, can't remember the conditioner, Pantene curl mousse. I want more curl and body. I may try co-washing. I've made some notes on products that can be used that I can find in our small town- Suave Naturals conditioner, Tresemme Naturals, etc.

DD14- her problem is oily scalp, so I am not sure about co-washing? Right now she is using a Garnier shampoo for dandruff- she has used the version with salicylic acid in it for the oil, when we can find it at the store. She uses a conditioner on the length, and has no desire to put any leave-in product in. It frizzes around her face after a while making her look like a lion. Perhaps a modified co-washing where she applies conditioner to the length, then shampoos the scalp, then rinse and condition? I did get her the Loreal sulfate free but she didn't really care for the smell and quit using it.

DD11- no trouble with oil, yet, so I want her to try co-washing. Her main problem is frizz. She uses the same shampoo and cond as I do. She occasionally puts Samy potion in- I see it is a silicone. Her hair looks gorgeous when she's been swimming, and her hair simply air-dries in clumps, so I like the strategy of combing through in the shower before a rinse and then gently scrunching dry. Maybe that will give the same effect.

So anyway, at least DD11 and I will try co-washing. Mostly I am curious about DD14 and the oil issue. But any and all advice welcome!


  • kathymackkathymack Posts: 9,999Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    Hair type is relatively unimportant. It changes with weather, product, technique, etc. First thing you want to do is find out everyone's hair properties. Here's a link to help Live Curly Live Free - Curly Hair Basics The e-book on that website would be a good investment for all of you. There's no information that isn't on nc.com, it's just all in one place.

    Once you determine hair properties, you can look with others with similar hair and see what they use (in signatures.) It's the best place to start. If you all have similar properties, you can start with the same products.
    3a (Corkicelli), highlighted, fine, low porosity
    SE PA

    HGs: Anything Sevi; Curly Kinks Satin Roots, Curlycue ReNew and Coil Jam; homemade FSG and okra gel; soap bars; UFD Curly Magic; Botanical Spirits Jellies, CJ Repair Me, Aloe Fix
  • dresdendolldresdendoll Posts: 435Registered Users
    Hmmm...well, the biggest and most beneficial transition for me was discontinuing my use of silicones and sulfates. Sulfates are found in shampoos and strip your hair of moisture, and silicones are found in conditioners, styling products, and sometimes shampoo. They stick to your hair and require sulfates to be washed out. Anyway, using all natural/organic or sulfate/silicone-free products made a huge difference! I would recommend...

    For you:
    My mother has fine/limp hair, and she really likes Shea Moisture Yucca Baobab Shampoo. It's a thickening and volumizing shampoo, I think. Sometimes it's hard to find, though, but Shea Moisture's Curl & Shine shampoo is one I've found in lots of Targets, CVSs, and Walgreens. I've heard Tresemme Naturals has a good silicone-free conditioner, and L'Oreal Eversleek Conditioner is supposed to be good too. If you want to try cowashing, Suave sounds like a nice option, and L'Oreal Evercreme Cleansing Conditioner has gotten good reviews. I also recommend finding your hair properties, especially porosity.

    For DD14-
    Garnier Dandruff Shampoo might actually be too drying on her hair. If something is drying, it can actually make your scalp produce MORE oil to compensate. You said she doesn't want to leave in a product, but leave-in conditioners and curl creams/gels make it so I don't even have frizz anymore :) Again, Shea Moisture Shampoo is the best I've used, and it smells pretty good. Maybe you could let her pick out a gentle shampoo and leave-in conditioner that smell good to her. If she wants to stick to Garnier products, Garnier Pure Clean Conditioner has gotten great reviews on this website! Also, if she really doesn't want to leave something in, like a leave-in conditioner, maybe she could just rinse half of it out? Some users said rinsing half of the Garnier Pure Clean Conditioner out left their hair softer and more moisturized. For the frizz issue, a gel or mousse should take care of it. For a silicone-free mousse, I recommend Herbal Essences Totally Twisted. It's cheap and works pretty well(:

    For DD11-
    Sounds like she has beautiful hair without any issues! :) That's always great. Her hair could probably just use what you or your other daughter use without problems. If you think she'd like cowashing, go for it! For a cowash, again, L'Oreal Evercreme is good because it has a cleanser in the ingredients, unlike other conditioners like Suave, which are only intended to be conditioners. Ren, a knockoff of Wen by Renpure, makes a cleansing conditioner too. It has a silicone, but apparently it doesn't leave a residue.

    Hope this helped!
    2c/2b with some 2a, coarse, dense, thick, low porosity
    Growing out a CL bob. Currently at APL.
    CG again as of 7/20/12 :laughing5:

    Cleanser: BRÖÖ Smoothing I.P.A. Shampoo
    RO: Trader Joe's Nourish Spa Conditioner
    LI: Kinky-Curly Knot Today
    Styler: Beautiful Curls Gel for Wavy to Curly Hair

    :love4: all-natural products, light moisture, humectants, argan oil
    :pukeright:silk protein, synthetic ingredients, heavy oils/products, cowashing
  • Ml001Ml001 Posts: 354Registered Users
    +1 to Kathymack

    +1 to the leave-in comment.

    Regarding the oily scalp: my hair used to be a nasty oily greasy mess when I used shampoo! I would wash in morning and be oily by afternoon. (It also smelled - it turns out that was the sulfates.) Drugstore brand conditioners didn't work for me. I don't know if 'cleansing conditioners' would work or not, I haven't tried any yet. I no-poo once a week or so, WO in between as needed, and clarify with BS/ACV once a month or so. My scalp still gets oily occasionally, but that's after days (hence the no poo once a week or so) and it also is a 'clean' oily, if that makes sense, a more natural oiliness and it doesn't stink.
    remember, with all advice or suggestions for your hair, YMMV!! :read2:
    My hair:
    2b wavy, medium texture, low porosity, med-high density. Protein finicky.
    My routine:
    Cleansing: DCNP, every 4-5 days (occasionally use CJ cleansers).
    RO: CJSC, occasionally use JCDC
    LI: KCKT or CJSL
    Gel: KCCC, CJCIAB for 2nd day hair (sometimes third)

    Heat is my friend: warm water rinses, steam caps, and diffuse dry. I love CLU cloths and my Denman.
  • bjschbjsch Posts: 27Registered Users
    Thanks for the tips. The kids were eager to get started, so they took showers tonight. DD14 used the Loreal sulfate free shampoo, then Tresemme Naturals no silicone conditioner and combed and rinsed, then raked a little bit of conditioner into her wet her. Then scrunched dry with a t-shirt and called it good. It looks great.

    DD11 used a sulfate shampoo first because she had used a silicone after the last wash. Then she used Suave Natural conditioner, combed and rinsed, raked a little conditioner in, and scrunched dry with a tea towel.

    Hope this all was appropriate :) We didn't do any other product, I didn't want to overdo, but I did get a Set Me Up mousse if we decide they need it. Will have to figure out if there is a gel that would be better.

    All great, but I'm not sure what to do in the morning. DD11's hair will definitely be too wet to pineapple (I tried to get her to wash in the morning instead of tonight but she didn't want to) Can we get it really wet and comb where needed? We've always used a pick on their dry hair, then sprayed with water and scrunched on days they didn't wash.

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