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A cry for help - stop the fuzz

I am at my wits' end. I feel like I've tried everything and my hair is frizzy no matter what I do. I am sick of it. It's winter! It's zero humidity!

Anyone want to systematically help me figure out what I need to do? I'll try just about anything at this point. I'm sick of looking and feeling like a frump.

Thanks for listening to my whining, and thanks for your help! It's nice to have a community that understands. ;-)
Mostly 2A; Fine and wavy :batman:

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  • Ml001Ml001 Posts: 354Registered Users
    What are your hair properties?
    remember, with all advice or suggestions for your hair, YMMV!! :read2:
    My hair:
    2b wavy, medium texture, low porosity, med-high density. Protein finicky.
    My routine:
    Cleansing: DCNP, every 4-5 days (occasionally use CJ cleansers).
    RO: CJSC, occasionally use JCDC
    LI: KCKT or CJSL
    Gel: KCCC, CJCIAB for 2nd day hair (sometimes third)

    Heat is my friend: warm water rinses, steam caps, and diffuse dry. I love CLU cloths and my Denman.
  • FuzzyMonsterFuzzyMonster Posts: 259Registered Users
    Oops, sorry--thought I had that in my sig line. 2A, fine, thin-to-medium, low porosity, shoulder length with a few layers.

    Thanks for your help!

    Sent from my SPH-D700 using CurlTalk App
    Mostly 2A; Fine and wavy :batman:
  • mhen76mhen76 Posts: 813Registered Users
    Frizz can be caused by many different things. What is your routine and what products are you using? For me, I get frizzy if I'm overconditioned, I'm manipulating my hair too much during the drying process or have build-up. I need to make sure I've got a good balance between moisture and protein, not touch my hair while it's drying and clarify occasionally.
    3B, fine, normal to low porosity
    Modified CG since June 2010
    HGs: FSG, anything with glycerin, Tresemme Naturals conditioner, Curls Like Us cloths, satin pillowcases.
  • FuzzyMonsterFuzzyMonster Posts: 259Registered Users
    I did a "final" sulfate wash a week ago. Since then, I've washed with water only daily, except twice I washed with conditioner. I cowashed with Everday Shea Moisture. I did not use any other products until today. Today, I shampooed with Jessicurl Gentle Lather Shampoo and followed with Suave Tropical Coconut conditioner and Sally's equivalent to Matrix gel.

    It doesn't seem to matter whether I use syling products or not, or what kind of conditioner, or when I wash it, I always have frizz!

    I tried washing at night versus in the morning, air drying versus plopping, and I get frizz in every situation.

    Sent from my SPH-D700 using CurlTalk App
    Mostly 2A; Fine and wavy :batman:
  • FuzzyMonsterFuzzyMonster Posts: 259Registered Users
    Today I tried adding honey to my cowash. It's frizzier than ever!

    Guess I should just get a Chi flatiron and stop worrying about it.

    Sent from my SPH-D700 using CurlTalk App
    Mostly 2A; Fine and wavy :batman:
  • Ml001Ml001 Posts: 354Registered Users
    Honey is a humectant. It pulled moisture from your hair since there is none in the atmosphere.

    Low-po hair generally does well with (gentle) heat. Be sure to get your hair wet with warm water to help open cuticles (or use a bs wash), apply conditioner then cover with a shower cap for the remainder of your shower to do a sort of team treatment. Rinse with warm water as well. (And an ACV rinse if you used bs.) then dry to about 75-80% with a diffuser. Do not touch it while it dries the rest of the way.

    Do not use protein for a while and see if that helps.
    remember, with all advice or suggestions for your hair, YMMV!! :read2:
    My hair:
    2b wavy, medium texture, low porosity, med-high density. Protein finicky.
    My routine:
    Cleansing: DCNP, every 4-5 days (occasionally use CJ cleansers).
    RO: CJSC, occasionally use JCDC
    LI: KCKT or CJSL
    Gel: KCCC, CJCIAB for 2nd day hair (sometimes third)

    Heat is my friend: warm water rinses, steam caps, and diffuse dry. I love CLU cloths and my Denman.
  • FuzzyMonsterFuzzyMonster Posts: 259Registered Users
    Thank you! I appreciate the tips!

    Sent from my SPH-D700 using CurlTalk App
    Mostly 2A; Fine and wavy :batman:
  • kathymackkathymack Posts: 9,999Registered Users
    My hair is fine/low porosity. In the winter, it needs more moisture (layering of products) and protein. I put products in soaking wet hair, use curl towels to scrunch out the water before I diffuse. I don't touch my hair with the dryer (or my hands) while diffusing. Other then putting in my part and clipping the front out of my eyes, I leave it alone for a few hours until it's dry. Then, I scrunch--if necessary.

    Other thing is to be careful with the products. My hair doesn't like chemicals. I stay away from most, especially polyquats. They coat my hair and cause frizz. They also make it so other products don't absorb.
    3a (Corkicelli), highlighted, fine, low porosity
    SE PA

    HGs: Anything Sevi; Curly Kinks Satin Roots, Curlycue ReNew and Coil Jam; homemade FSG and okra gel; soap bars; UFD Curly Magic; Botanical Spirits Jellies, CJ Repair Me, Aloe Fix
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
  • FuzzyMonsterFuzzyMonster Posts: 259Registered Users
    Kathymack, what products work for you? And how do you layer them?

    Sent from my SPH-D700 using CurlTalk App
    Mostly 2A; Fine and wavy :batman:
  • kathymackkathymack Posts: 9,999Registered Users
    Kathymack, what products work for you? And how do you layer them?

    Sent from my SPH-D700 using CurlTalk App

    Most of my favorite products are in my signature.

    I wet, use a rinse out and style every day. I rotate products, seldom letting myself use any one product more then once in five days, if that. In the low dewpoints, I use a leave in, curl enhancer and jelly product. In the high dew points, I use a leave in OR a curl enhancer and a jelly product. In ideal conditions, I see what I think my hair needs.

    I put products into soaking wet hair, gently finger comb and then scrunch each layer. If you haven't seen the DVD from the newer CG Book, it really shows you how to handle your hair. I could never use all of the product that they do.
    3a (Corkicelli), highlighted, fine, low porosity
    SE PA

    HGs: Anything Sevi; Curly Kinks Satin Roots, Curlycue ReNew and Coil Jam; homemade FSG and okra gel; soap bars; UFD Curly Magic; Botanical Spirits Jellies, CJ Repair Me, Aloe Fix
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
  • FuzzyMonsterFuzzyMonster Posts: 259Registered Users
    I will have to go online to see your signature. Apparently our sigs don't show up on the app.

    I was trying to use as few products as possible. I tried that for a week. Maybe I didn't wait long enough for my natural oils to work as they should, but I'm not convinced it would have helped. Anyway, the idea of rotating products that much is new to me. Thanks for the idea.

    Sent from my SPH-D700 using CurlTalk App
    Mostly 2A; Fine and wavy :batman:
  • Ml001Ml001 Posts: 354Registered Users
    On my iPhone app, if I touch the poster's name it brings up three options. I click 'more' and a menu pops up. I select 'open in safari' and it takes me to their post in my browser where I can see their siggy.
    remember, with all advice or suggestions for your hair, YMMV!! :read2:
    My hair:
    2b wavy, medium texture, low porosity, med-high density. Protein finicky.
    My routine:
    Cleansing: DCNP, every 4-5 days (occasionally use CJ cleansers).
    RO: CJSC, occasionally use JCDC
    LI: KCKT or CJSL
    Gel: KCCC, CJCIAB for 2nd day hair (sometimes third)

    Heat is my friend: warm water rinses, steam caps, and diffuse dry. I love CLU cloths and my Denman.
  • Knotty_MaddyKnotty_Maddy Posts: 518Registered Users
    you could always try the super-soaker method...that helped me when I was at wit's end ;) it was the only thing that worked for me. It might work for you - or another method listed in the Methods section will help ;)

    the most important part of the method, I think, is to use a Denman brush. It puts the hair back where it belongs. So, once you have washed and detangled while conditioning, and rinsed that out, put in your leave in and then brush your hair again with the Denman while it is still sopping wet. This creates clumps and will put the "wild" hair strands back into the curl clumps, thus preventing frizz. Then, gently lift handfuls of water into your curl clumps, in a scrunch type motion (but don't squeeze the hair) then plop for a bit in a cotton t-shirt, or let it drip off onto a cotton t-shirt around your shoulders. Then put your styling product in, then scrunch excess moisture out with another cotton t-shirt. Then, either replop for a few minutes more, or just place your hair where you want it and do not touch until it is dry. Hth!

    You can watch the super-soaker method video on the Methods stickies in either the Newbies column (top of the column) or in the General hair discussion column :) Good luck!
    Finer, mixed with coarser strands, low-porosity, wavy curly whirly hair...3A, 2C hair. Medium thickness, medium elasticity.
    S-shaped hair with corkscrew ends. My hair is even more confused than me ;p
    My hair officially hates protein ;) Once a month is enough!
    Currently a fan of TiGi products, (rock on, TiGi Curlesque styling creme!) but that will soon change - I am a self-avowed product junkie! Yay! :D
    BIG fan of supersoaker method - thanks Rudeechick!
  • kathymackkathymack Posts: 9,999Registered Users
    Knotty-Maddy, I just answered in your thread about hold. Now that I read the post above, I have something to add about your problem with hold (don't know if this will help with OP's frizz and don't want to hijack this thread.) When I used a Denman brush, my curl feel out during the day. It wasn't a problem for me any other time. Since I've come on to nc.com and learned how to take care of my hair, my curl pattern has become stronger and I don't need hold.

    Every so often, I'd try the Denman brush--and that day, my hair would start out well and then the curl would loosen throughout the day. Had to stop myself from trying to use the brush--so I gave it to my neighbor. Never had a problem with hold after I did that.

    To the OP. How you handle your hair has a lot to do with subsequent frizz. I learned that from the DVD in the CG book. If you handle your hair gently, it will reduce the frizz. On the DVD, they use a method that's similar to the "ice queen" method for conditioning/applying product. You may want to try that one.
    3a (Corkicelli), highlighted, fine, low porosity
    SE PA

    HGs: Anything Sevi; Curly Kinks Satin Roots, Curlycue ReNew and Coil Jam; homemade FSG and okra gel; soap bars; UFD Curly Magic; Botanical Spirits Jellies, CJ Repair Me, Aloe Fix
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
  • FuzzyMonsterFuzzyMonster Posts: 259Registered Users
    Thank you all so much!! I have the new CG book on hold at the library. Hopefully it will have the DVD with it.

    Sent from my SPH-D700 using CurlTalk App
    Mostly 2A; Fine and wavy :batman:
  • Knotty_MaddyKnotty_Maddy Posts: 518Registered Users
    kathymack wrote: »
    Knotty-Maddy, I just answered in your thread about hold. Now that I read the post above, I have something to add about your problem with hold (don't know if this will help with OP's frizz and don't want to hijack this thread.) When I used a Denman brush, my curl feel out during the day. It wasn't a problem for me any other time. Since I've come on to nc.com and learned how to take care of my hair, my curl pattern has become stronger and I don't need hold.

    Every so often, I'd try the Denman brush--and that day, my hair would start out well and then the curl would loosen throughout the day. Had to stop myself from trying to use the brush--so I gave it to my neighbor. Never had a problem with hold after I did that.

    To the OP. How you handle your hair has a lot to do with subsequent frizz. I learned that from the DVD in the CG book. If you handle your hair gently, it will reduce the frizz. On the DVD, they use a method that's similar to the "ice queen" method for conditioning/applying product. You may want to try that one.

    Kathymack, thank you. I did get curl fallout if I used the wide-tooth comb, but when I began to use the Denman, it actually made my hair curl more...? I have become more of a 3A than a 2C since I began using it. I threw my wide tooth comb in the garbage, lol! And the Denman certainly cut my frizz down to almost nothing! But I will skip it today and see what happens :) that might be my whole problem right there. That, or I am seriously over-conditioned...One thing I do know is that you know way more about curly hair than me, so I will certainly take your tips!

    FuzzyMonster, good luck! I hope the book helps you! I need to get it myself...I did find that since I began playing around with the techniques here, and changing up my products, my frizz was significantly reduced.
    Finer, mixed with coarser strands, low-porosity, wavy curly whirly hair...3A, 2C hair. Medium thickness, medium elasticity.
    S-shaped hair with corkscrew ends. My hair is even more confused than me ;p
    My hair officially hates protein ;) Once a month is enough!
    Currently a fan of TiGi products, (rock on, TiGi Curlesque styling creme!) but that will soon change - I am a self-avowed product junkie! Yay! :D
    BIG fan of supersoaker method - thanks Rudeechick!
  • FuzzyMonsterFuzzyMonster Posts: 259Registered Users
    Well, something has helped! Yesterday I tried putting the shower cap on over conditioner while I showered, and I used the diffuser without touching my hair with it. Today, I did the shower cap thing and let it air dry. Both days, my hair has shown improvement! I think it must be the shower cap. Is it because it's helping to retain the heat, or because it's protecting my hair from the steam of the shower, or both?

    Anyway, I'm going to keep doing that and see if it continues to help, and maybe try some of the other suggestions, too. I like to try only one or two things at a time so I can pinpoint what has what effect.

    I don't know if the conditioner I used the past 2 days has protein or not, but that might be a factor, too. I used Suave Tropical Coconut.

    Sent from my SPH-D700 using CurlTalk App
    Mostly 2A; Fine and wavy :batman:
  • Ml001Ml001 Posts: 354Registered Users
    Low-po hair has a tightly closed cuticle...the heat helps to open the cuticle. Putting the shower cap on is sort of a mini steam treatment - it warms the hair to open the cuticle. Also, leaving the conditioner on for longer gives it more time to absorb.

    You have more discipline than me to just try one or two things at once. It's the best approach, though!!

    Yes, the suave coconut has protein - silk amino acids.

    Glad you are finding some success. It can be frustrating sometimes but it's worth it!! :)
    remember, with all advice or suggestions for your hair, YMMV!! :read2:
    My hair:
    2b wavy, medium texture, low porosity, med-high density. Protein finicky.
    My routine:
    Cleansing: DCNP, every 4-5 days (occasionally use CJ cleansers).
    RO: CJSC, occasionally use JCDC
    LI: KCKT or CJSL
    Gel: KCCC, CJCIAB for 2nd day hair (sometimes third)

    Heat is my friend: warm water rinses, steam caps, and diffuse dry. I love CLU cloths and my Denman.
  • LilaGirlLilaGirl Posts: 1,177Registered Users
    Kathy,

    When you say you ro every day, do you actually cowash or just condition, comb through and RO?

    I'm struggling with second-day hair so I may need to do every day too - but I don't want to get dryer.
    kathymack wrote: »
    Kathymack, what products work for you? And how do you layer them?

    Sent from my SPH-D700 using CurlTalk App

    Most of my favorite products are in my signature.

    I wet, use a rinse out and style every day. I rotate products, seldom letting myself use any one product more then once in five days, if that. In the low dewpoints, I use a leave in, curl enhancer and jelly product. In the high dew points, I use a leave in OR a curl enhancer and a jelly product. In ideal conditions, I see what I think my hair needs.

    I put products into soaking wet hair, gently finger comb and then scrunch each layer. If you haven't seen the DVD from the newer CG Book, it really shows you how to handle your hair. I could never use all of the product that they do.
    3b/fine/normal porosity/normal elasticity

    LOVES behentrimonium methosulfate
    (don't ask me to pronounce that!)


    Want to grow it long again!
    And simply want to figure out this hair of mine!
  • Ml001Ml001 Posts: 354Registered Users
    I condition (wet hair, RO, etc...full routine) almost every day. I notice it when I don't - hair is dry the next day - but some days I just don't have time or motivation. This method has worked very well for me. You could consider trying it: http://m.naturallycurly.com/curltalk/showthread.php?t=120130
    remember, with all advice or suggestions for your hair, YMMV!! :read2:
    My hair:
    2b wavy, medium texture, low porosity, med-high density. Protein finicky.
    My routine:
    Cleansing: DCNP, every 4-5 days (occasionally use CJ cleansers).
    RO: CJSC, occasionally use JCDC
    LI: KCKT or CJSL
    Gel: KCCC, CJCIAB for 2nd day hair (sometimes third)

    Heat is my friend: warm water rinses, steam caps, and diffuse dry. I love CLU cloths and my Denman.
  • kathymackkathymack Posts: 9,999Registered Users
    LilaGirl wrote: »
    Kathy,

    When you say you ro every day, do you actually cowash or just condition, comb through and RO?

    I'm struggling with second-day hair so I may need to do every day too - but I don't want to get dryer.

    You have to remember that I'm older (61 this month), so don't have the hormonal and oil issues of a younger person.

    I never cowash. If I want to clean my scalp, I use natural soap bars. If I want to remove minerals, I use CJ Daily Fix (every 3-6 weeks.) If I need to remove an ingredient (of late, polyquats), I need to use a lowpoo with a surfactant that's stronger than coco b.

    I NEVER use a comb or Denman brush on my hair. I gently finger comb my conditioner through. Same with products (and then I scrunch.)

    If you have the DVD from the newer CG book, that's the way I try to handle my hair--as gently as possible. I could never use all of the product they use.
    3a (Corkicelli), highlighted, fine, low porosity
    SE PA

    HGs: Anything Sevi; Curly Kinks Satin Roots, Curlycue ReNew and Coil Jam; homemade FSG and okra gel; soap bars; UFD Curly Magic; Botanical Spirits Jellies, CJ Repair Me, Aloe Fix
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
  • FuzzyMonsterFuzzyMonster Posts: 259Registered Users
    I really think the shower cap "steam treatment" is making a difference for me. I'm going to try it with a non-protein conditioner and see if the protein has any effect. I think I have been missing the lo-po element, which seems to be what was causing the excessive, relentless frizz!

    Sent from my SPH-D700 using CurlTalk App
    Mostly 2A; Fine and wavy :batman: