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Grease as Heat protectant?

gabbyluvzgabbyluvz Posts: 7Registered Users
I know grease has been getting a bad reputation for just about everything to do with curly hair. BUT.... i will say this... it is the ultimate sealant! and guess what ... a pretty good heat protectant ( if you don't mind greasy hair ... which i don't)
what we all fail to realize is that petroleum products have a high capacity for heat, and work as a great heat protectant for hair.

In fact, petroleum jelly is the only approved heat protectant by the FDA (at least for skin)
Initially, black hair care products used petrolatum as heat protectant, and honestly growing up I do not recall ever having hair scorched or burned, or even problems with curls not reverting. (My hair was butt length until I got to sophomore year in H.S. and cut it off to stop being teased and to "fit in" with the crowd).

I currently use these types of products(specifically blue magic) to straighten my hair and have no problems with heat damaged curls. I set my flat iron to 350 -400 degrees at the max (hair burns at 451).

My question to you all is
how have your experiences been with it at a protectant ( i know we all used it that way at some point our lives)?
did your curls revert?
other than the greasiness was their ever a problem with using it as a heat protectant for moderate heat straightening (no excessive heat eg. more than the burning point of hair 451 degrees)? ... honestly i believe that this is wear most went wrong with it as a protectant... too much heat! everyone wants to set their flat iron to the max heat when that much heat is definitely not necessary IMO.



but yeah... ready to read what you guys think and possibly hear some of your theories and research on the matter. ps. check out this link.. Synthetic Oils to Combat Dry Hair - Learn | Hair Liberty :: Free Yourself

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  • JydalJydal Posts: 178Registered Users
    Not sure if this helps, but the pic is from the book "the science of black hair" by Davis-Sivasothy, p172. Maybe this will help see what protects hair best. ImageUploadedByCurlTalk1352122289.930011.jpg
  • nappilyevaaftanappilyevaafta Posts: 31Registered Users
    My mother used Blue Magic as a heat protectant when she would press my new growth (with a stove pressing comb) between relaxers and as a natural today she uses it as a protectant to straighten her own hair...and suffers no heat damage (that we have seen ;-)) . I, myself, have not tried it but plan on doing so in the future....
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  • NappNapp Posts: 180Registered Users
    I used to love grease to press my hair. My favorite one to use was apex pressing oil. I no longer use it as i prefer higher quality products but i would still recommend it to anyone who likes something nheavier to straighten their hair.

    Im not sure i would call it a heat protectant though lol
  • CurlyCarmenCurlyCurlyCarmenCurly Posts: 118Registered Users
    My hair would seriously rebel. LOL, it would be like straight but stiff from the grease! Thanks for sharing though :)
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  • NeekolassifyNeekolassify Posts: 20Registered Users
    Wow! I never would have thought about using grease... That sounds really neat. :) I may have to try it sometime! Could you use like... a straight petrolatum product like vaseline or something? (A bit too heavy for my hair, imo, but worth a try)

    I have something similar to blue magic with petrolatum and coconut oil... Hmm... the more you know...
  • dixygirldixygirl Posts: 279Banned Users
    This totally depends on your hair texture. for Caucasian types it would be out of the question but some 4s would drink it up like its a light snack and then ask if you want to put on a little extra to enhance the slight gloss just a bit. I know my partner who is a 4c uses castor oil on his hair and It is about the ONLY thing that will keep his hair from looking totally parched and completely dried out and then it still dries out in a few hours. However when I use it on my fine 3b/c my hair looks totally wet and way too thin. then again, my hair is already on the thin side so it doesn't take much to make it look like I have 2 strands on my head.

    So hairs respond totally differently to different methods of moisturizing and protection products. Also amount has a LOT to do with it. I can use the castor oil as a leave in product too if I put just a few drops literally in my palm and evenly distribute it in my palms before I put it on the ends first and then evenly through out.

    So I say "whatever works"
    if it works for you then you shouldn't care about Sally whose hair is too fine for it. She uses the viscosity and oil/moisture balance that's appropriate for her and you likewise.

    REALLY, I think that you should try to switch to heatless methods as much as possible. My grandmother had 4a/b hair and she got relaxers and wet sets exclusively. Yes she did use coconut oil, jojoba oil and some others to keep the hair soft and shiny but she never used heat at all. Her hair grew to about below shoulder blade length and stayed there all of her life looking shiny and healthy. But she ONLY used relaxers and wet sets on huge rollers. The Dominicans kind of go this route too. So I think that would really be your best bet instead of looking for a heat protectant. I would try to work into heatless styling. MAYBE only use the heat around your edges when its time for a touch up after the wet set is dry.
    SO.... instead of flat ironing why not look up "silk wrap" on youtube. It is a technique that can be used on wet hair to straighten it using the head as a big hair roller. You stretch the hair straight around your head and tie it up with a silk scarf overnight.

    Also look up hair wrap techniques on youtube. Because you can also use a variety of other wrap techniques (depending on hair length) on the hair every night when you go to bed to preserve the hair in a straight state so that no heat is needed for styling in the morning. Rather you wake up, take off your silk scarf and your hair falls down around your shoulders silky, shiny straight and healthy like it was just flat ironed .... only it actually feels healthy instead of fried. (for long hair look up criss-cross wrap)

    Ive just started this regimine myself and let me tell you... I am floored and totally in love with wrapping my hair instead of blowing it straight. I never used flat irons. I use a japanese straightener every 3 months and wrap every night. 2 nights a week I wrap with plastic cap and tight scarf on top for a green house effect. Im trying to grow from arm pit length in the back to as long as I can go. I wont get there using heat though. ;)

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  • lisa.stevenslisa.stevens Posts: 1Registered Users
    Why are folks so afriad to use hair grease all of a sudden? Yes its the best heat protectant you can use. I've been using it for over a year now with absolutely no problems..I love my blue magic:love7:
  • fihefihe Posts: 101Registered Users
    I could never use hair grease because my hair is way too thin and non-porous, but I looked at the ingredients of Blue Magic and you might as well just put straight up Vaseline in your hair. Maybe mix it with some Lansinoh and baby oil.
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  • di46205di46205 Posts: 7Registered Users
    This is all we had growing up. No one used conditioners and such. There was no burned hair or heat damage. I didn't start having trouble with my hair until I started reading natural hair blogs. This is the second time I am transitioning and I'm going back to what worked for me.
  • adthomasadthomas Posts: 5,525Registered Users
    di46205 wrote: »
    This is all we had growing up. No one used conditioners and such. There was no burned hair or heat damage. I didn't start having trouble with my hair until I started reading natural hair blogs. This is the second time I am transitioning and I'm going back to what worked for me.

    Do you mean no one you know? Im in my 30s. We had conditioners. and I didnt know anyone with curly hair who would shampoo and wouldnt follow up with a conditioner. Grease has always been a problem in my hair and scalp because my hair is fine and grease is so heavy it clogs my pores and gives me dandruff. My mom pressed my hair now and then as a child but must have been a pain because by age six I had chemically treated hair. I used moisturizers like wave noveau or pink lotion. Not grease. As far as heat damage, you might not know someone has it unless they tried to wash and go. Only a few of my relatives did that. . I think excessive heat is why my grandma and great grandma had thin hair that never got much past apl. I tried to use grease natural and had to immediately wash my hair it was so weighed down and greasy. I am glad you found what works for you but we are all individuals.
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  • lisab123065lisab123065 Posts: 4Registered Users
    di46205 wrote: »
    This is all we had growing up. No one used conditioners and such. There was no burned hair or heat damage. I didn't start having trouble with my hair until I started reading natural hair blogs. This is the second time I am transitioning and I'm going back to what worked for me.

    ITA. My mom did'nt use ANY conditioner in my hair. She used Prell Shampoo, Blue Magic grease and heat..My hair NEVER had heat damage and it grew past my shoulders...I don't understand for the life of me, why all of a sudden is everybody trippin over using grease...The stuff has been around for many decades with no problems. Longer then the shea butters and oil crap that only last in my hair one day then its dry as a desert. I think in my honest opinon its the shampoo. I use a clarifying shampoo weekly to rid the hair and scalp of any weekly grease and my hair is clean to start the process all over again, without any build up..I have not had any problems with grease..That is my only moisturizer and my hair is doing good:iconbiggrin: So peace, love and hairgrease. :)
  • di46205di46205 Posts: 7Registered Users
    adthomas wrote: »
    di46205 wrote: »
    This is all we had growing up. No one used conditioners and such. There was no burned hair or heat damage. I didn't start having trouble with my hair until I started reading natural hair blogs. This is the second time I am transitioning and I'm going back to what worked for me.

    Do you mean no one you know? Im in my 30s. We had conditioners. and I didnt know anyone with curly hair who would shampoo and wouldnt follow up with a conditioner. Grease has always been a problem in my hair and scalp because my hair is fine and grease is so heavy it clogs my pores and gives me dandruff. My mom pressed my hair now and then as a child but must have been a pain because by age six I had chemically treated hair. I used moisturizers like wave noveau or pink lotion. Not grease. As far as heat damage, you might not know someone has it unless they tried to wash and go. Only a few of my relatives did that. . I think excessive heat is why my grandma and great grandma had thin hair that never got much past apl. I tried to use grease natural and had to immediately wash my hair it was so weighed down and greasy. I am glad you found what works for you but we are all individuals.
    I'm 53 and never used conditioner until I started beauty school at the age of 17. We used Jay's Coconut Oil Shampoo and Prell. I've learned that some people are/were heavy handed with grease. In the early 90's I found out about Vitale Hair and Scalp Conditioner. It is a water based 'grease' and does not contain any petroleum. It does contain mineral oil. I traded traditional hair grease for this.

    There were girls I remember there did have damaged hair and it seemed to never grow. I don't know what they were doing to their hair. My grandmother never allow me to do anything beyond daily styling. I was send to the neighbor press and curl lady once a month. She never burned my hair, it never broke off, it was never dry, I didn't have dandruff. This is what worked for me as a child.
  • di46205di46205 Posts: 7Registered Users
    di46205 wrote: »
    This is all we had growing up. No one used conditioners and such. There was no burned hair or heat damage. I didn't start having trouble with my hair until I started reading natural hair blogs. This is the second time I am transitioning and I'm going back to what worked for me.

    ITA. My mom did'nt use ANY conditioner in my hair. She used Prell Shampoo, Blue Magic grease and heat..My hair NEVER had heat damage and it grew past my shoulders...I don't understand for the life of me, why all of a sudden is everybody trippin over using grease...The stuff has been around for many decades with no problems. Longer then the shea butters and oil crap that only last in my hair one day then its dry as a desert. I think in my honest opinon its the shampoo. I use a clarifying shampoo weekly to rid the hair and scalp of any weekly grease and my hair is clean to start the process all over again, without any build up..I have not had any problems with grease..That is my only moisturizer and my hair is doing good:iconbiggrin: So peace, love and hairgrease. :)
    Sometimes I think some of our inexperience and ignorance about haircare has been used by some people to make money.
  • lisab123065lisab123065 Posts: 4Registered Users
    di46205 wrote: »
    adthomas wrote: »
    di46205 wrote: »
    This is all we had growing up. No one used conditioners and such. There was no burned hair or heat damage. I didn't start having trouble with my hair until I started reading natural hair blogs. This is the second time I am transitioning and I'm going back to what worked for me.

    Do you mean no one you know? Im in my 30s. We had conditioners. and I didnt know anyone with curly hair who would shampoo and wouldnt follow up with a conditioner. Grease has always been a problem in my hair and scalp because my hair is fine and grease is so heavy it clogs my pores and gives me dandruff. My mom pressed my hair now and then as a child but must have been a pain because by age six I had chemically treated hair. I used moisturizers like wave noveau or pink lotion. Not grease. As far as heat damage, you might not know someone has it unless they tried to wash and go. Only a few of my relatives did that. . I think excessive heat is why my grandma and great grandma had thin hair that never got much past apl. I tried to use grease natural and had to immediately wash my hair it was so weighed down and greasy. I am glad you found what works for you but we are all individuals.
    I'm 53 and never used conditioner until I started beauty school at the age of 17. We used Jay's Coconut Oil Shampoo and Prell. I've learned that some people are/were heavy handed with grease. In the early 90's I found out about Vitale Hair and Scalp Conditioner. It is a water based 'grease' and does not contain any petroleum. It does contain mineral oil. I traded traditional hair grease for this.

    There were girls I remember there did have damaged hair and it seemed to never grow. I don't know what they were doing to their hair. My grandmother never allow me to do anything beyond daily styling. I was send to the neighbor press and curl lady once a month. She never burned my hair, it never broke off, it was never dry, I didn't have dandruff. This is what worked for me as a child.

    Same with me,... and Im 48:happy7: I do remember Jay's, lol....
  • adthomasadthomas Posts: 5,525Registered Users
    di46205 wrote: »
    adthomas wrote: »
    di46205 wrote: »
    This is all we had growing up. No one used conditioners and such. There was no burned hair or heat damage. I didn't start having trouble with my hair until I started reading natural hair blogs. This is the second time I am transitioning and I'm going back to what worked for me.

    Do you mean no one you know? Im in my 30s. We had conditioners. and I didnt know anyone with curly hair who would shampoo and wouldnt follow up with a conditioner. Grease has always been a problem in my hair and scalp because my hair is fine and grease is so heavy it clogs my pores and gives me dandruff. My mom pressed my hair now and then as a child but must have been a pain because by age six I had chemically treated hair. I used moisturizers like wave noveau or pink lotion. Not grease. As far as heat damage, you might not know someone has it unless they tried to wash and go. Only a few of my relatives did that. . I think excessive heat is why my grandma and great grandma had thin hair that never got much past apl. I tried to use grease natural and had to immediately wash my hair it was so weighed down and greasy. I am glad you found what works for you but we are all individuals.
    I'm 53 and never used conditioner until I started beauty school at the age of 17. We used Jay's Coconut Oil Shampoo and Prell. I've learned that some people are/were heavy handed with grease. In the early 90's I found out about Vitale Hair and Scalp Conditioner. It is a water based 'grease' and does not contain any petroleum. It does contain mineral oil. I traded traditional hair grease for this.

    There were girls I remember there did have damaged hair and it seemed to never grow. I don't know what they were doing to their hair. My grandmother never allow me to do anything beyond daily styling. I was send to the neighbor press and curl lady once a month. She never burned my hair, it never broke off, it was never dry, I didn't have dandruff. This is what worked for me as a child.
    I grew up having to use mostly dandruff shampoos so no way I was not conditioning. Let me clarify grease didnt cause the dandruff But it made it much worse much sooner. Nowadays I can stretch a shampoo to once a week. But if I used grease I would have to shampoo next day.
    Probably the girls u knew with damaged hair were doing about the same as you were but getting different results because the products and techniques did not suit their hair. But instead of looking at other possibilities like maybe a conditioner or oil instead of grease some people will stick what obviously isnt working because this is what we have been told we "all" should do. A square peg in a round hole. some black people have the idea that all "black"hair is alike and should be treated the same when in fact we are individuals. I feel like some stylists treat our heads like assembly lines doing the same thing to each. That is why I stopped going.
    I have had heat damage before. I have had permanent dye damage before. Yet I know people who bleach and use flat irons often no problem because their hair can handle things mine cant. Just like some hair can thrive with relaxers and some cant.
    I just dont agree with saying "everyone". Not every technique or every product works for everyone. Not everyone has scalp issues. I am not anti grease. It just doesnt work for me. I have had people tell me I should only use products marketed to black people but I use what my hair likes so I dont care. If your hair loves grease you shouldnt care what other people say. My mom and some of my other relatives like grease just great.
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  • adthomasadthomas Posts: 5,525Registered Users
    Also someone saying they have heat damaged is not necessarily saying their hair is burned off or anything. Could be their hair is not reverting to original curliness. Either looser curls or straight. Some people do this to their hair on purpose. I know some of them personally. It is called heat training.
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  • KiraSavannahKiraSavannah Posts: 423Registered Users
    Shea butter and oil were around waaaassy longer than grease lol
    di46205 wrote: »
    This is all we had growing up. No one used conditioners and such. There was no burned hair or heat damage. I didn't start having trouble with my hair until I started reading natural hair blogs. This is the second time I am transitioning and I'm going back to what worked for me.

    ITA. My mom did'nt use ANY conditioner in my hair. She used Prell Shampoo, Blue Magic grease and heat..My hair NEVER had heat damage and it grew past my shoulders...I don't understand for the life of me, why all of a sudden is everybody trippin over using grease...The stuff has been around for many decades with no problems. Longer then the shea butters and oil crap that only last in my hair one day then its dry as a desert. I think in my honest opinon its the shampoo. I use a clarifying shampoo weekly to rid the hair and scalp of any weekly grease and my hair is clean to start the process all over again, without any build up..I have not had any problems with grease..That is my only moisturizer and my hair is doing good:iconbiggrin: So peace, love and hairgrease. :)



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  • KiraSavannahKiraSavannah Posts: 423Registered Users
    I think it's a big deal because people believed it moisturizer the scalp and hair but all it does is stop moisture from coming in. And as a heat protectant I hate the way it cracks and sizzled at 375º. My hair is thick when curly, but when I flat iron it, it's actually STRAIGHT,(not curly, wavy or kinky straight, but straight) and grease makes it stiff, you know how alot of relaxed people's hair will be straight but won't move, kinda like that . And tbh when I flat iron my hair well, I wont wash it for a week or 2, so all that build up, and my scalp can't breathe.

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  • lisab123065lisab123065 Posts: 4Registered Users
    Shea butter and oil were around waaaassy longer than grease lol
    di46205 wrote: »
    This is all we had growing up. No one used conditioners and such. There was no burned hair or heat damage. I didn't start having trouble with my hair until I started reading natural hair blogs. This is the second time I am transitioning and I'm going back to what worked for me.

    ITA. My mom did'nt use ANY conditioner in my hair. She used Prell Shampoo, Blue Magic grease and heat..My hair NEVER had heat damage and it grew past my shoulders...I don't understand for the life of me, why all of a sudden is everybody trippin over using grease...The stuff has been around for many decades with no problems. Longer then the shea butters and oil crap that only last in my hair one day then its dry as a desert. I think in my honest opinon its the shampoo. I use a clarifying shampoo weekly to rid the hair and scalp of any weekly grease and my hair is clean to start the process all over again, without any build up..I have not had any problems with grease..That is my only moisturizer and my hair is doing good:iconbiggrin: So peace, love and hairgrease. :)





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    Sorry ma'am, but shea butters and oils were NOT availible to people in the 60's and 70's. So Yes, hair grease has been around a lot longer than shea butters and oils...
  • adthomasadthomas Posts: 5,525Registered Users
    di46205 wrote: »
    This is all we had growing up. No one used conditioners and such. There was no burned hair or heat damage. I didn't start having trouble with my hair until I started reading natural hair blogs. This is the second time I am transitioning and I'm going back to what worked for me.

    ITA. My mom did'nt use ANY conditioner in my hair. She used Prell Shampoo, Blue Magic grease and heat..My hair NEVER had heat damage and it grew past my shoulders...I don't understand for the life of me, why all of a sudden is everybody trippin over using grease...The stuff has been around for many decades with no problems. Longer then the shea butters and oil crap that only last in my hair one day then its dry as a desert. I think in my honest opinon its the shampoo. I use a clarifying shampoo weekly to rid the hair and scalp of any weekly grease and my hair is clean to start the process all over again, without any build up..I have not had any problems with grease..That is my only moisturizer and my hair is doing good:iconbiggrin: So peace, love and hairgrease. :)

    . Being my hair is prone to to buildup and my scalp to dandruff I also clarify every week with a teatree shampoo even without using grease.
    I mentioned my grandma and great grandma had hair that is APL. That means arm pit length which is in fact below the shoulders. Their hair was thin and stayed same length. I personally dont consider anything shorter than APl to be long hair. I suspect it was from a heat damage but.. I also dont think they got they ever got trims. Could be a factor.
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  • adthomasadthomas Posts: 5,525Registered Users
    Shea Butter: Fair Trade, Unrefined Shea Butter and African Black Soap

    You are correct. People have been making shea butter for centuries. Probaly wasnt sold widely in US unless you went to health food store. Also I know that the ancient Egyptians used EVOO mixed with honey in their hair so oil has been used in hair for the longest too.
    Shea butter and oil were around waaaassy longer than grease lol
    di46205 wrote: »
    This is all we had growing up. No one used conditioners and such. There was no burned hair or heat damage. I didn't start having trouble with my hair until I started reading natural hair blogs. This is the second time I am transitioning and I'm going back to what worked for me.

    ITA. My mom did'nt use ANY conditioner in my hair. She used Prell Shampoo, Blue Magic grease and heat..My hair NEVER had heat damage and it grew past my shoulders...I don't understand for the life of me, why all of a sudden is everybody trippin over using grease...The stuff has been around for many decades with no problems. Longer then the shea butters and oil crap that only last in my hair one day then its dry as a desert. I think in my honest opinon its the shampoo. I use a clarifying shampoo weekly to rid the hair and scalp of any weekly grease and my hair is clean to start the process all over again, without any build up..I have not had any problems with grease..That is my only moisturizer and my hair is doing good:iconbiggrin: So peace, love and hairgrease. :)



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