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Overconditioned? Build up? Can't tell

I have hard water and I use a water filter, but i'm not sure if that's enough? I've always had problems with frizz, dry hair etc. I've been on a CG routine for three months almost and my hair still has tons of issues. I don't know what overconditioned feels like or looks like. All I ever see is "mushy" when it's described but my hair is never "mushy", it usually feels pretty dry. My CG routine has gotten it softer, not so dry feeling, but it's still dry, it's like I can't condition it enough. It feels like silk in the shower when I have conditioner in my hair and its completely soaked with water. I almost don't want to rinse it out lol. Most times I don't rinse much of it out and choose to leave some in, plus I put a leave in on top of it. So how can I tell if it's overconditioned or if it's build up? I do plan on getting a shampoo with chelating properties to use since i've just learned of this and have never used one before. Hopefully that will help.
2(I have no idea what pattern), low porosity, mix of medium and coarse, dense

*Have just discovered the amazingness that is the "Spritz and Condish" routine* :toothy10::toothy10::toothy10:

Shampoo: SM Moisture Retention Shampoo
Co-wash: VO5 Vanilla Mint Tea Clarifying Conditioner
RO: GVP CB, Garnier Triple Nutrition
LI : Whatever conditioner I used + EVOO or Argon oil
Stylers: Organix Moroccan Curling Perfection Defining Creme, EcoStyler Gel (krystal)

Comments

  • mhen76mhen76 Posts: 813Registered Users
    It doesn't sound like your hair is overconditioned. I didn't understand what people meant by that "mushy" feeling until I felt it myself. It's pretty unmistakable. It may be build up or an issue with your water. Did you clarify before starting CG? Co-washing alone doesn't work for all of us. I use a low-poo about twice a week. I also found that ACV rinses on occasion really helps. You may want to try the ACV before shampooing to see if that makes a difference for you.
    3B, fine, normal to low porosity
    Modified CG since June 2010
    HGs: FSG, anything with glycerin, Tresemme Naturals conditioner, Curls Like Us cloths, satin pillowcases.
  • Ml001Ml001 Posts: 354Registered Users
    The mushy feeling is something like wet seaweed. The op is right - hard to describe or understand but when you feel it you know it.

    Regarding your 'conditioned but still dry' hair...a couple of questions:

    Is your hair low porosity?
    Do you know if your hair likes or hates protein?
    remember, with all advice or suggestions for your hair, YMMV!! :read2:
    My hair:
    2b wavy, medium texture, low porosity, med-high density. Protein finicky.
    My routine:
    Cleansing: DCNP, every 4-5 days (occasionally use CJ cleansers).
    RO: CJSC, occasionally use JCDC
    LI: KCKT or CJSL
    Gel: KCCC, CJCIAB for 2nd day hair (sometimes third)

    Heat is my friend: warm water rinses, steam caps, and diffuse dry. I love CLU cloths and my Denman.
  • txwvy32txwvy32 Posts: 161Registered Users
    mhen76 wrote: »
    It doesn't sound like your hair is overconditioned. I didn't understand what people meant by that "mushy" feeling until I felt it myself. It's pretty unmistakable. It may be build up or an issue with your water. Did you clarify before starting CG? Co-washing alone doesn't work for all of us. I use a low-poo about twice a week. I also found that ACV rinses on occasion really helps. You may want to try the ACV before shampooing to see if that makes a difference for you.

    I clarified with some suave daily clarifying and then a month into CG I realized that my water was probably a lot of my problem so I got the filter and clarified again, and it has the EDTA chelating ingredient I need....but it's sulfates :( so i'm afraid to use it on a regular basis. I think i'm one of those that co-washing alone isn't going to work for namely because of the hard water. I'm sure even my water filter isn't going to keep all the gunk away. I do ACV rinses maybe once a week and I do love them. I have recently started using shea moisture shampoo and it's made a difference in my hair, made it softer, more moisturized. Should I do the ACV rinse before I use this shampoo and then just condition and follow my regular routine?
    2(I have no idea what pattern), low porosity, mix of medium and coarse, dense

    *Have just discovered the amazingness that is the "Spritz and Condish" routine* :toothy10::toothy10::toothy10:

    Shampoo: SM Moisture Retention Shampoo
    Co-wash: VO5 Vanilla Mint Tea Clarifying Conditioner
    RO: GVP CB, Garnier Triple Nutrition
    LI : Whatever conditioner I used + EVOO or Argon oil
    Stylers: Organix Moroccan Curling Perfection Defining Creme, EcoStyler Gel (krystal)
  • CurlyMJCurlyMJ Posts: 193Registered Users
    I haven't tried it yet but people here rave about CJ daily fix which has the chelating ingredient in it minus the sulfates.
  • txwvy32txwvy32 Posts: 161Registered Users
    Ml001 wrote: »
    The mushy feeling is something like wet seaweed. The op is right - hard to describe or understand but when you feel it you know it.

    Regarding your 'conditioned but still dry' hair...a couple of questions:

    Is your hair low porosity?
    Do you know if your hair likes or hates protein?

    Yes to both lol. I can't say it necessarily hates protein, because there are some it tolerates and i've never quite gotten that "hay" feeling that people describe in protein overloaded hair. I avoid proteins though and ever since I have been my hair has gradually gotten softer and softer.
    2(I have no idea what pattern), low porosity, mix of medium and coarse, dense

    *Have just discovered the amazingness that is the "Spritz and Condish" routine* :toothy10::toothy10::toothy10:

    Shampoo: SM Moisture Retention Shampoo
    Co-wash: VO5 Vanilla Mint Tea Clarifying Conditioner
    RO: GVP CB, Garnier Triple Nutrition
    LI : Whatever conditioner I used + EVOO or Argon oil
    Stylers: Organix Moroccan Curling Perfection Defining Creme, EcoStyler Gel (krystal)
  • txwvy32txwvy32 Posts: 161Registered Users
    I just want to ask. The CJ Daily Fix sounds great, I do want to try it....but it's too out of my price range :( Would I be breaking the CG rules if I just use the Suave Daily Clarifying (even though it has sulfates) once in a while, like every couple of weeks just to get the gunk out? I wonder if that would help me without breaking my wallet. Unless there's a less expensive alternative out there that is CG friendly? $10 is my limit when it comes to buying a shampoo or conditioner...styling products i'll give in to a little more but $20 is just too much for me.
    2(I have no idea what pattern), low porosity, mix of medium and coarse, dense

    *Have just discovered the amazingness that is the "Spritz and Condish" routine* :toothy10::toothy10::toothy10:

    Shampoo: SM Moisture Retention Shampoo
    Co-wash: VO5 Vanilla Mint Tea Clarifying Conditioner
    RO: GVP CB, Garnier Triple Nutrition
    LI : Whatever conditioner I used + EVOO or Argon oil
    Stylers: Organix Moroccan Curling Perfection Defining Creme, EcoStyler Gel (krystal)
  • mhen76mhen76 Posts: 813Registered Users
    I've never tried the CJ Daily Fix so I can't compare but I love the Shea Moisture shampoos. When I do an ACV rinse, I do it after the shampoo and before the conditioner.

    txwvy32, please don't get too hung up on the "rules." The CG police are not going to hunt you down if you occasionally use a sulfate! You have to do what works best for you and there is no "one way" that works for all of us. If it were that simple, there would be no need for these boards and all the sharing and tips that are swapped here. Healthy hair is beautiful hair. Our needs are unique depending on the amount of damage, our hair properties, our hormones, our water, our age, etc. Build-up is not healthy because it can block much needed moisture from getting into the hair. If you need to use a sulfate every now and then, do it! If your hair is healthy and moisturized, an occasional sulfate will not set you back. When I do that, I usually follow it up with a DT to replace any lost moisture.
    3B, fine, normal to low porosity
    Modified CG since June 2010
    HGs: FSG, anything with glycerin, Tresemme Naturals conditioner, Curls Like Us cloths, satin pillowcases.
  • txwvy32txwvy32 Posts: 161Registered Users
    mhen76 wrote: »
    I've never tried the CJ Daily Fix so I can't compare but I love the Shea Moisture shampoos. When I do an ACV rinse, I do it after the shampoo and before the conditioner.

    txwvy32, please don't get too hung up on the "rules." The CG police are not going to hunt you down if you occasionally use a sulfate! You have to do what works best for you and there is no "one way" that works for all of us. If it were that simple, there would be no need for these boards and all the sharing and tips that are swapped here. Healthy hair is beautiful hair. Our needs are unique depending on the amount of damage, our hair properties, our hormones, our water, our age, etc. Build-up is not healthy because it can block much needed moisture from getting into the hair. If you need to use a sulfate every now and then, do it! If your hair is healthy and moisturized, an occasional sulfate will not set you back. When I do that, I usually follow it up with a DT to replace any lost moisture.

    Thank you! Reading this made me feel tons better. I just want healthy hair! ^_^
    2(I have no idea what pattern), low porosity, mix of medium and coarse, dense

    *Have just discovered the amazingness that is the "Spritz and Condish" routine* :toothy10::toothy10::toothy10:

    Shampoo: SM Moisture Retention Shampoo
    Co-wash: VO5 Vanilla Mint Tea Clarifying Conditioner
    RO: GVP CB, Garnier Triple Nutrition
    LI : Whatever conditioner I used + EVOO or Argon oil
    Stylers: Organix Moroccan Curling Perfection Defining Creme, EcoStyler Gel (krystal)