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Cowashing when prone to build up?

Anyone had success with this? I always have build up, no matter how many times i shampoo, it always comes back. Idk why but it does. Anyone have this problem but can cowash? Or should it just be avoided?

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  • Ml001Ml001 Posts: 354Registered Users
    I always had buildup with co-washing and I would clarify with BS every once in a while when I co-washed. I started using DCNP and no longer have a problem.
    remember, with all advice or suggestions for your hair, YMMV!! :read2:
    My hair:
    2b wavy, medium texture, low porosity, med-high density. Protein finicky.
    My routine:
    Cleansing: DCNP, every 4-5 days (occasionally use CJ cleansers).
    RO: CJSC, occasionally use JCDC
    LI: KCKT or CJSL
    Gel: KCCC, CJCIAB for 2nd day hair (sometimes third)

    Heat is my friend: warm water rinses, steam caps, and diffuse dry. I love CLU cloths and my Denman.
  • DepressedCurlsDepressedCurls Posts: 836Registered Users
    What's DCNP?

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  • Ml001Ml001 Posts: 354Registered Users
    Sorry, Devacurl NoPoo. The only deva product that works for me lol.
    remember, with all advice or suggestions for your hair, YMMV!! :read2:
    My hair:
    2b wavy, medium texture, low porosity, med-high density. Protein finicky.
    My routine:
    Cleansing: DCNP, every 4-5 days (occasionally use CJ cleansers).
    RO: CJSC, occasionally use JCDC
    LI: KCKT or CJSL
    Gel: KCCC, CJCIAB for 2nd day hair (sometimes third)

    Heat is my friend: warm water rinses, steam caps, and diffuse dry. I love CLU cloths and my Denman.
  • adthomasadthomas Posts: 5,525Registered Users
    How often does it come back? My hair is very prone to buildup. I avoid silicones and mineral oil. I still get buildup from my oils, conditioners, gels, creams but not as quickly as with cones. I clarify once a week.
    Yes, it's real. No, you can't touch it. :wav:
  • Jas76Jas76 Posts: 2,283Registered Users
    Maybe add a low poo once a week? You can put conditioner on your ends, low poo your scalp, then work it through as you rinse. Then condition as needed. If you do this midweek (assuming you clarify at the end of the week) it may help. ?

    I am prone to oil build-up at times with my porous hair, and that has helped me.
    2c/3a/3b, Fine/med, Dense, high porous, & normal elas.

    Lo-poo - Renpure Keratin, SMR, Giovanni SaS
    clarifying - mix Johnson's H2T with low poo
    Co-wash - Suave Nats. clar. or coco.
    RO - GVPCB, Ion Eff. Care, TN.
    LI - SMR, Cure Care, or RO
    Seal - MO or Jojoba
    DT - + honey, ACV, & EVOO to SM masque & GVPCB
    PT - Gelatin!, CNPF
    Styling - FSG, AIF, BRHG, LALS/PS, GF curl spray gel, SM Souffle/Smoothie, LOOB
    Oils - MO!, EVOO, jojoba, GSO, SM Elixer, EVCO, VO5 Hairdressing
  • DepressedCurlsDepressedCurls Posts: 836Registered Users
    It never really leaves. Even after i clarify, i still have it on my scalp.
    I use my shea moisture curl enhancing poo twice a week. Every two days or so, and i never clarify. Maybe i should, its just so stripping. And the only "shampoo" i have is the neutrogena anti residue shampoo which is pretty harsh.

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  • adthomasadthomas Posts: 5,525Registered Users
    I had that SM curl shampoo and for my hair it was not strong enough cleanser. I need all product out of my hair once a week bc I'm so prone to buildup. I actually found it is good for my shampoo to be slightly drying for my hair but not too harsh. My dc's do better with a clean slate. I like TJ's Tea Tree Tingle shampoo, SM purification mask and bentonite clay.
    Yes, it's real. No, you can't touch it. :wav:
  • DepressedCurlsDepressedCurls Posts: 836Registered Users
    adthomas wrote: »
    I had that SM curl shampoo and for my hair it was not strong enough cleanser. I need all product out of my hair once a week bc I'm so prone to buildup. I actually found it is good for my shampoo to be slightly drying for my hair but not too harsh. My dc's do better with a clean slate. I like TJ's Tea Tree Tingle shampoo, SM purification mask and bentonite clay.

    so you shampoo, then dt?
    And you like Sm purification as a deep conditioner?
    I just have trouble knowing when to deep condition and when i need a little protein or a little moisture. My hair feels the same always. Unless i over did protein, but i haven't in forever.
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  • DepressedCurlsDepressedCurls Posts: 836Registered Users
    Would adding a little bit of baking soda to my SM shampoo once a week be too much or too harsh?

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  • seamelody14seamelody14 Posts: 282Registered Users
    I co-wash most of the time, but I definitely need to shampoo/low poo every once in a while. For a low poo I like CJ gentle cleansing, and L'oreal evercreme nourishing, I also just ordered herbnlife royal rinse and creme of nature argan poo, which have rave reviews *crosses fingers* but occasionally I need a sulfate poo. For that I love Phyto phytorhum poo.
    2a/b
    medium/thick
    high porosity (from coloring)

    Shampoo: Mop Top Gentle Shampoo
    Co-wash: Chistophe Robin Lemon Cleansing Cream
    RO: CJ strengthening, Kenra moisturizing
    LI: Jessicurl Aloeba
    DT: CJ rehab, Christophe Robin Prickly Pear Mask
    PT: SS protein treatment, Ouidad 12 minute
    Stylers: Jessicurl RR, SS Firm Hold Gel
    Oils: caudalie, sweet almond
  • adthomasadthomas Posts: 5,525Registered Users
    adthomas wrote: »
    I had that SM curl shampoo and for my hair it was not strong enough cleanser. I need all product out of my hair once a week bc I'm so prone to buildup. I actually found it is good for my shampoo to be slightly drying for my hair but not too harsh. My dc's do better with a clean slate. I like TJ's Tea Tree Tingle shampoo, SM purification mask and bentonite clay.

    so you shampoo, then dt?
    And you like Sm purification as a deep conditioner?
    I just have trouble knowing when to deep condition and when i need a little protein or a little moisture. My hair feels the same always. Unless i over did protein, but i haven't in forever.
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    I only use shampoos with cocamidopropyl betaine. For me it is the magic ingredient because it is not a sulfate but is strong enough to remove even a silicone. I found the low poos without this don't work as well for me. I also found prepooing with EVOO helps offset a lot of dryness associated with clarifying. My hair hates baking soda but other people get good results so you might want to try it but definitely don't get heavy handed with it. It that doesn't work you could still use your curl and shine in between clarifying. I dc after every shampoo since I clarify to restore the moisture. But I don't use p mask to dc. I use it sometimes to prepoo.
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  • rymorg2rymorg2 Posts: 2,571Registered Users
    I'm prone to buildup because of hard water, and I have to low poo once in awhile. I also use a low poo with cocomidapropyl betaine in it.
    Cosmetology Educator with sensitivities, eczema and Seborrheic Dermatitis.
    Low poo: looking
    COWash: Eden, cheapo condish, CJDF
    RO: varies
    Protein: CJCF or CJRM
    DT: CJHBDF, CJCR, DBPC
    LI: varies, usually KCKT
    Stylers: KCCC, CRNCM, UFDCM, Curls gel, ecostyler

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  • DepressedCurlsDepressedCurls Posts: 836Registered Users
    I just found out we have hard water here too, very hard water. Which is why i never get it to go away!

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  • Jas76Jas76 Posts: 2,283Registered Users
    Do you ever use ACV? I add it to my RO and find it helps with our hard water.

    Also, using a co-wash with EDTA helps. I think most of the Suaves have it.

    There are some poo's meant for hard water that you could use to clarify with as needed, too!
    2c/3a/3b, Fine/med, Dense, high porous, & normal elas.

    Lo-poo - Renpure Keratin, SMR, Giovanni SaS
    clarifying - mix Johnson's H2T with low poo
    Co-wash - Suave Nats. clar. or coco.
    RO - GVPCB, Ion Eff. Care, TN.
    LI - SMR, Cure Care, or RO
    Seal - MO or Jojoba
    DT - + honey, ACV, & EVOO to SM masque & GVPCB
    PT - Gelatin!, CNPF
    Styling - FSG, AIF, BRHG, LALS/PS, GF curl spray gel, SM Souffle/Smoothie, LOOB
    Oils - MO!, EVOO, jojoba, GSO, SM Elixer, EVCO, VO5 Hairdressing
  • DepressedCurlsDepressedCurls Posts: 836Registered Users
    No, because i apply my ro and leave it in, i don't wanna leave in ACV. Unless it'd be good? Hmm. :/
    I thought i had such a good routine going and now I'm all confused. :(

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  • Jas76Jas76 Posts: 2,283Registered Users
    I leave a lot of my RO in, too. I just add the ACV to it, then rinse as I comb through and then add a little more RO. ;)

    You can always do an ACV rinse BEFORE the RO, I suppose.
    2c/3a/3b, Fine/med, Dense, high porous, & normal elas.

    Lo-poo - Renpure Keratin, SMR, Giovanni SaS
    clarifying - mix Johnson's H2T with low poo
    Co-wash - Suave Nats. clar. or coco.
    RO - GVPCB, Ion Eff. Care, TN.
    LI - SMR, Cure Care, or RO
    Seal - MO or Jojoba
    DT - + honey, ACV, & EVOO to SM masque & GVPCB
    PT - Gelatin!, CNPF
    Styling - FSG, AIF, BRHG, LALS/PS, GF curl spray gel, SM Souffle/Smoothie, LOOB
    Oils - MO!, EVOO, jojoba, GSO, SM Elixer, EVCO, VO5 Hairdressing
  • DepressedCurlsDepressedCurls Posts: 836Registered Users
    I just clarified with Neutrogena anti residue shampoo and applied gvp conditioning balm instead of my normal Tresemme Naturals and I'm gonna see how this goes. I always have the frizz and spider web frizz when my hair is wet, but now that i clarified with the nar shampoo it's not "as bad." So maybe i should get a sulfate shampoo and start clarifying once a week? I have scalp issues and some dandruff, especially in winter so maybe a tea tree oil shampoo? Has anyone heard of Jasons Tea Tree shampoo? Thoughts on ingredients or the product?

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  • rymorg2rymorg2 Posts: 2,571Registered Users
    I just found out we have hard water here too, very hard water. Which is why i never get it to go away!

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    Vinegar will be a help, but imo it's not a cure. You will still have to clarify occasionally.

    My area (and I've checked because I suspected it) is extremely high. I will always have to at least low poo occasionally because of it. I second the EDTA rec....CJDF has it and it works wonderfully with my water.
    Cosmetology Educator with sensitivities, eczema and Seborrheic Dermatitis.
    Low poo: looking
    COWash: Eden, cheapo condish, CJDF
    RO: varies
    Protein: CJCF or CJRM
    DT: CJHBDF, CJCR, DBPC
    LI: varies, usually KCKT
    Stylers: KCCC, CRNCM, UFDCM, Curls gel, ecostyler

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  • rymorg2rymorg2 Posts: 2,571Registered Users
    I just clarified with Neutrogena anti residue shampoo and applied gvp conditioning balm instead of my normal Tresemme Naturals and I'm gonna see how this goes. I always have the frizz and spider web frizz when my hair is wet, but now that i clarified with the nar shampoo it's not "as bad." So maybe i should get a sulfate shampoo and start clarifying once a week? I have scalp issues and some dandruff, especially in winter so maybe a tea tree oil shampoo? Has anyone heard of Jasons Tea Tree shampoo? Thoughts on ingredients or the product?

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    That's absolutely an option, but again the cocomidapropyl betaine will work for that too. That way if you use a low poo with it you can cover your bases and do a sulfate poo once in awhile. There are a number of good low poos with TT in them.
    Cosmetology Educator with sensitivities, eczema and Seborrheic Dermatitis.
    Low poo: looking
    COWash: Eden, cheapo condish, CJDF
    RO: varies
    Protein: CJCF or CJRM
    DT: CJHBDF, CJCR, DBPC
    LI: varies, usually KCKT
    Stylers: KCCC, CRNCM, UFDCM, Curls gel, ecostyler

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  • DepressedCurlsDepressedCurls Posts: 836Registered Users
    Where can i find those? Is there a thread about low poos with that ingredient in it?

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  • rangersfanrangersfan Posts: 40Registered Users
    You can also get a filter for your shower head if you hard water. It will help with the build up on your hair. I use one and love it. I change the filter every 3-5 months. Right about the time I start notice the build up on my hair.
  • DepressedCurlsDepressedCurls Posts: 836Registered Users
    Do they have these at Walmart? Are they expensive? Thanks! :)

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  • rymorg2rymorg2 Posts: 2,571Registered Users
    Filters run at the cheapest I've seen about $35 at like Walmart.

    As far as a list of low poos containing it, there's not a thread I'm aware of but any low poo you're interested in will list it in the ingredients. Sorry I'm not much help there.
    Cosmetology Educator with sensitivities, eczema and Seborrheic Dermatitis.
    Low poo: looking
    COWash: Eden, cheapo condish, CJDF
    RO: varies
    Protein: CJCF or CJRM
    DT: CJHBDF, CJCR, DBPC
    LI: varies, usually KCKT
    Stylers: KCCC, CRNCM, UFDCM, Curls gel, ecostyler

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  • DepressedCurlsDepressedCurls Posts: 836Registered Users
    Hmm i googled it, and it said a nice alternative to sulfate shampoos was castile soap? Anybody used that?

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  • juanabjuanab Posts: 4,037Registered Users
    Go to Curlmart and search for sulfate free shampoos. It will give you a pretty good list.

    texture - medium/fine, porosity - low/normal, elasticity - normal
    co-wash - NaturelleGrow Coconut Water or Marshmallow Root, Slippery Elm Bark & Blue Malva Cleansing Conditioners
    LI - KCKT mixed w/ SM C & H Curl & Style Milk
    DC - NG Mango & Coconut H2O or Chamomile/Brdck Root
    Gel - SM souffle (winter), KCCC (summer) or CR Naturals Aloe Whipped Butter Gel (year round)
    Sealers - Virgin Coconut Oil, Avocado butter, Aloe butter
    Ayurvedic treatments - Jamila Henna, Sukesh, Aloe Vera Powder, Hibiscus Powder
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  • DepressedCurlsDepressedCurls Posts: 836Registered Users
    I don't order online. :/
    I just don't know why it's so hard to find a sulfate free shampoo with tea tree oil and the coco betaine. I googled it and nothing is coming up.

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  • mollymmollym Posts: 31Registered Users
    If you live near a Trader Joe's, I'm pretty sure their Tea Tree Tingle shampoo has oil and coco-betaine.
    CG since July 2012!
    3a; mediumish porosity, medium/coarse, high density
    Cleansers: Suave Naturals, VO5, SM shea butter shampoo, TJ TTT shampoo
    Conditioners: GVPCB, Tresemme Naturals, TJ TTT
    Stylers: LALS, La Bella gel, SM curl milk, coconut/olive oil
  • Jas76Jas76 Posts: 2,283Registered Users
    What about giovani? Don't they have something like that? Or maybe I'm just thinking of the Trader Joes...
    2c/3a/3b, Fine/med, Dense, high porous, & normal elas.

    Lo-poo - Renpure Keratin, SMR, Giovanni SaS
    clarifying - mix Johnson's H2T with low poo
    Co-wash - Suave Nats. clar. or coco.
    RO - GVPCB, Ion Eff. Care, TN.
    LI - SMR, Cure Care, or RO
    Seal - MO or Jojoba
    DT - + honey, ACV, & EVOO to SM masque & GVPCB
    PT - Gelatin!, CNPF
    Styling - FSG, AIF, BRHG, LALS/PS, GF curl spray gel, SM Souffle/Smoothie, LOOB
    Oils - MO!, EVOO, jojoba, GSO, SM Elixer, EVCO, VO5 Hairdressing
  • DepressedCurlsDepressedCurls Posts: 836Registered Users
    We don't have a trader joes. :( i wish we did. We have whole foods and that's it. Other than walgreens and stuff.

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  • Jas76Jas76 Posts: 2,283Registered Users
    2c/3a/3b, Fine/med, Dense, high porous, & normal elas.

    Lo-poo - Renpure Keratin, SMR, Giovanni SaS
    clarifying - mix Johnson's H2T with low poo
    Co-wash - Suave Nats. clar. or coco.
    RO - GVPCB, Ion Eff. Care, TN.
    LI - SMR, Cure Care, or RO
    Seal - MO or Jojoba
    DT - + honey, ACV, & EVOO to SM masque & GVPCB
    PT - Gelatin!, CNPF
    Styling - FSG, AIF, BRHG, LALS/PS, GF curl spray gel, SM Souffle/Smoothie, LOOB
    Oils - MO!, EVOO, jojoba, GSO, SM Elixer, EVCO, VO5 Hairdressing
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