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Which Proteins Bother You?

LilaGirlLilaGirl Posts: 1,177Registered Users
I've had to eliminate all wheat

And I had to eliminate BRHG.

My hair is so much better.

I don't know if the BRHG alone could have made my hair super brittle, majorly shedding, tangly as heck and impossible. But since I stopped it, my hair has been better; however, now I have eliminated all protein - and I've added oil.

Does coconut bother you guys? What about Panthenol? How about Silk Amino Acids? Those are the ones I'm trying out and so far so good

But in the sheamoisture line there is some silk protein (not sure if that's the same as silk amino acids) that I'll try.

How long does it take to tell if you're reacting? Can it happen within 24 hours or is it long with build up (i.e., harder to track)?
3b/fine/normal porosity/normal elasticity

LOVES behentrimonium methosulfate
(don't ask me to pronounce that!)


Want to grow it long again!
And simply want to figure out this hair of mine!
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  • NvmbrCurlssNvmbrCurlss Posts: 732Registered Users
    My hair seems to like only silk proteins or amino acids. I can get over protein'd in a day if I don't watch it. My hair is finicky with coconut oil, but loves coconut milk as an occasional PT... My hair reacts within a day or two to soy or wheat proteins too. I'm tempted to try keratin again, but I need to wait until my hair is protein thirsty to give it a go.
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]3B, Fine, Normal P, Normal E, Low-Med D
    LowP: Kinky Curly Come Clean (50% EVOO)
    NoP: As I Am CC
    RO: Suave Coconut, VO5 Shea Cashmere
    LI: KCKT or CJBCLI or HETT/HENOYF (w/ 8 drops GSO)


    "To much is given, much is expected"
  • LilaGirlLilaGirl Posts: 1,177Registered Users
    I'm on the fence about coconut - my hair felt dry after using Komaza coconut pudding, but okay with coconut curlada as a RO /LI
    3b/fine/normal porosity/normal elasticity

    LOVES behentrimonium methosulfate
    (don't ask me to pronounce that!)


    Want to grow it long again!
    And simply want to figure out this hair of mine!
  • susirenesusirene Posts: 45Registered Users
    My hair only likes keratin - I've actually had the Brazilian keratin treatment and my hair was gorgeous (though not worth the money, time, and exposure to chemicals).

    Wheat and soy it reacts to almost immediately - dry, flyaway, brittle, loss of curl pattern.

    Coconut it will tolerate for awhile but then goes to the reaction like wheat.

    Silk amino acids are tolerable, but do not do anything great, and I've never used them for long enough to really see what they do.

    I haven't tested the reaction to any other proteins, but since keratin works and my low-porosity hair doesn't require much protein, I've just removed everything protein-containing except my GVP K-pak (which I use around my coloring).
    Mod CG since 5/10, 2b/3a, med width/density, low/med porosity, greying since 18, color over grey since 21

    Hair hates: non-keratin protein, glycerin, sorbitol, agave, sulfates, polyquats, co-washing (flaky scalp), maybe aloe?
    Hair loves: fewer/more natural ingredients, moisture

    Scalp wash: Selsun Blue naturals or reg when desperate
    Low poo: Giovanni TTTT
    RO: SN - Strawberry, ES
    LI: SNES
    Style: HETT mousse, FSG if I make it, ??
    DT: GVPCB
    PT: GVPKP
  • LilaGirlLilaGirl Posts: 1,177Registered Users
    Thanks for your post! So at least I don't think I'm crazy, cause it seems I really can't use much these days either.

    I'm still experimenting with coconut - some seems okay, some immediately drying.

    But ALL protein at this point is an immediate reaction of tangle, brittle, etc.
    3b/fine/normal porosity/normal elasticity

    LOVES behentrimonium methosulfate
    (don't ask me to pronounce that!)


    Want to grow it long again!
    And simply want to figure out this hair of mine!
  • Knotty_MaddyKnotty_Maddy Posts: 518Registered Users
    I have just recently discovered that my hair is allergic to protein ;p had no idea, before, why certain products just destroyed my hair - but thanks to using Devacurl (protein rich) I finally figured it out.

    My hair detests all proteins, especially wheat/soy/hops - these ingredients can result in a flash freeze of dried out, tangled, knotted hair within seconds of application...you asked how long it takes before you notice the protein destroying hair - I can go about 3 days using a protein shampoo or condish, or styling product, before my hair goes haywire - literally ;p first day of protein, hair loves it. Second day, have to rewash...no second day hair results. third day, hair goes limp; day 4, hair goes limp, gummy; day 5 - limp, gummy and greasy - day 6, instant hay, the moment I apply the product. Literally flash-dries my hair.

    Coconut oil works very well as a deep condish, I melt a little organic coconut oil (about 3/4 of a cup) in a bowl over hot water, then apply to dry hair...cover with shower cap, blow dry shower cap for added heat penetration, then shampoo and condish as usual...results, awesome curl pattern that begins the moment I rinse out the last condish :) I can literally see my hair doing a natural spiral and clump, and I only have 2 C hair at best!

    My final conclusion is to avoid protein like the devil it is ;p and don't think just cause you may have fine hair, that you need it - I have super fine hair but lots of it, and my hair hates protein!
    Finer, mixed with coarser strands, low-porosity, wavy curly whirly hair...3A, 2C hair. Medium thickness, medium elasticity.
    S-shaped hair with corkscrew ends. My hair is even more confused than me ;p
    My hair officially hates protein ;) Once a month is enough!
    Currently a fan of TiGi products, (rock on, TiGi Curlesque styling creme!) but that will soon change - I am a self-avowed product junkie! Yay! :D
    BIG fan of supersoaker method - thanks Rudeechick!
  • Ml001Ml001 Posts: 354Registered Users
    I'm thinking amino acids are just protein broken down to smaller particles. I suspect if your hair can't tolerate silk protein then it won't tolerate the silk amino acids either.

    As far as i have been able to determine, my hair doesn't like any proteins. I use aloe once a week as a strengthening treatment. My hair likes it, but I still have to use it judiciously and follow with a good conditioning treatment.

    A poster above mentioned that fine hair doesn't always like protein...my pet peeve is the misconception that low-porosity hair always does. My low-po hair begs to differ!! Reputable websites can't agree on the porosity/protein thing and I see quite a mix on here of different porosity/protein combo hair. Personally, I don't think porosity has much to do with it.
    remember, with all advice or suggestions for your hair, YMMV!! :read2:
    My hair:
    2b wavy, medium texture, low porosity, med-high density. Protein finicky.
    My routine:
    Cleansing: DCNP, every 4-5 days (occasionally use CJ cleansers).
    RO: CJSC, occasionally use JCDC
    LI: KCKT or CJSL
    Gel: KCCC, CJCIAB for 2nd day hair (sometimes third)

    Heat is my friend: warm water rinses, steam caps, and diffuse dry. I love CLU cloths and my Denman.
  • LilaGirlLilaGirl Posts: 1,177Registered Users
    Okay, well, I'm finding even coconut oil isn't great - it's not as bad as protein, but my hair doesn't like it.

    Is argan oil protein?

    I just do well with KCKT and KCCC and some Jane Carter smoothing over it! That's about it these days! I'm limited.

    I just tried a SheaMoisture DT but it has soybean oil in it.

    I wonder if others react to natural proteins like avocado oil
    3b/fine/normal porosity/normal elasticity

    LOVES behentrimonium methosulfate
    (don't ask me to pronounce that!)


    Want to grow it long again!
    And simply want to figure out this hair of mine!
  • Knotty_MaddyKnotty_Maddy Posts: 518Registered Users
    LilaGirl wrote: »
    Okay, well, I'm finding even coconut oil isn't great - it's not as bad as protein, but my hair doesn't like it.

    Is argan oil protein?

    I just do well with KCKT and KCCC and some Jane Carter smoothing over it! That's about it these days! I'm limited.

    I just tried a SheaMoisture DT but it has soybean oil in it.

    I wonder if others react to natural proteins like avocado oil

    Lilagirl, I understand your frustration and your need to experiment, but if your hair likes the KCKT and KCCC and Jane Carter, werl...then maybe stick with it? lol ;)

    One of the things I am discovering in this whole curly hair process is that you have to keep trying things, yes, but if you try too many at once, you and your hair will just get confused! :confused2: Myself I have found it useful to try only one line or one type of thing every 2 weeks, then use process of elimination to find out what it is my hair likes/doesn't like. It's slow and tedious, but it works...don't give up, tho, you will for sure discover things your hair likes :) I know some gals here can't hack protein but swear by avocado oil etc - and - of course - what works awesomely for some people won't for you, because all of us have different hair, with differing needs...I do know if you use a protein-based deep treatment, you have to follow up with moisturizing condish, or it will kill your hair ;p

    I have found the most useful way to triage new products is to search different brands using the "no protein" option on the filter, then reading the icons that appear below the product to let you know what is in it - *before* I commit myself to buying or trying!

    I wish you luck in your product/oil hunt, I am doing the same, these days... ;)

    ETA: My hair can't hack argan oil or Moroccan oil...don't know if it has protein or not, but a lot of the conditioners/poos that have those products in them also have protein in them!
    Finer, mixed with coarser strands, low-porosity, wavy curly whirly hair...3A, 2C hair. Medium thickness, medium elasticity.
    S-shaped hair with corkscrew ends. My hair is even more confused than me ;p
    My hair officially hates protein ;) Once a month is enough!
    Currently a fan of TiGi products, (rock on, TiGi Curlesque styling creme!) but that will soon change - I am a self-avowed product junkie! Yay! :D
    BIG fan of supersoaker method - thanks Rudeechick!
  • LilaGirlLilaGirl Posts: 1,177Registered Users
    I'm okay with trying on different products.

    I seem to know right away which ones suck the life out of my hair!

    The KCKT KCCC works but it's not my favorite. I'd rather have some options.

    Smoothing (for CJ) always works for me as a RO/LI - heck, I use it for everything - cowash, RO/LI - and then I tried komaza coconut pudding over that. I'm trying to get a read on the coconut pudding b/c it looks awesome for a couple hours and then as the day progresses my hair starts to frizz - second day is always the test for me - if my hair feels dried out or tangled, then I know I can't use it.

    I called Komaza and they said to use something more moisturizing than KCKT under the coconut pudding, so that's why I'm trying smoothing we'll see-
    3b/fine/normal porosity/normal elasticity

    LOVES behentrimonium methosulfate
    (don't ask me to pronounce that!)


    Want to grow it long again!
    And simply want to figure out this hair of mine!
  • Knotty_MaddyKnotty_Maddy Posts: 518Registered Users
    Good luck! I really hope you find your HG =)

    You are lucky to have access to all those curly products in the States, here in Canada it is hard to find anything ;p and so many, many products seem to have protein in them.

    I am currently experimenting with some protein-free TiGi products, so far so good :D even got lovely second day hair today, with a minimum of frizz. The products have lots of unpronounceable things in them, and some 'cones, sadly, but hey, at this point, I am desperate...lol!

    Anyways, I wish you luck with the Komaza....let us know how it works out for you!
    Finer, mixed with coarser strands, low-porosity, wavy curly whirly hair...3A, 2C hair. Medium thickness, medium elasticity.
    S-shaped hair with corkscrew ends. My hair is even more confused than me ;p
    My hair officially hates protein ;) Once a month is enough!
    Currently a fan of TiGi products, (rock on, TiGi Curlesque styling creme!) but that will soon change - I am a self-avowed product junkie! Yay! :D
    BIG fan of supersoaker method - thanks Rudeechick!
  • redcelticcurlsredcelticcurls Posts: 17,502Registered Users
    Keratin is the only one I can handle most of the time in the summer.
    Kiva! Microfinance works.

    Med/Coarse, porous curly.
  • LilaGirlLilaGirl Posts: 1,177Registered Users
    Komaza isn't working. It left me tangled today and I'm not sure why. It didn't work with KCKT and it's not working with smoothing (which I figured was more moisturizing).

    So I know I can't use Komaza, but I'm not sure why.

    Anything in the following I might be reacting too?

    Komaza coconut pudding:

    Water,Coconut Oil, Cocoa Butter, behenetrimonium, aloe vera, acrylates, alkyl acrylates, Sodium Benzoate, phthalates-free vegetarian fragrance

    Smoothing lotion:
    Ingredients: Water, Cetearyl Alcohol, Behentrimonium Methosulfate, Vegetable Glycerin, Slippery Elm Extract, Tocopheryl Acetate, Prunus Armeniaca (Apricot) Kernel Oil, Panthenol, Simmondsia Chinensis (Jojoba) Seed Oil, Helianthus Annuus (Sunflower) Seed Oil, Propylene Glycol, Diazolidinyl Urea, Iodopropynyl Butylcarbamate, Fragrance.
    3b/fine/normal porosity/normal elasticity

    LOVES behentrimonium methosulfate
    (don't ask me to pronounce that!)


    Want to grow it long again!
    And simply want to figure out this hair of mine!
  • redcelticcurlsredcelticcurls Posts: 17,502Registered Users
    I'd guess the high level of coconut oil in the first one, and the panthenol in the second one.
    Kiva! Microfinance works.

    Med/Coarse, porous curly.
  • LilaGirlLilaGirl Posts: 1,177Registered Users
    redceltic, do you react to coconut? I'm thinking coconut too and in my other thread I posted about panthenol -

    Is it possible to really be reacting to all protein (every single bit) AND coconut AND panthenol?

    Geesh.
    3b/fine/normal porosity/normal elasticity

    LOVES behentrimonium methosulfate
    (don't ask me to pronounce that!)


    Want to grow it long again!
    And simply want to figure out this hair of mine!
  • redcelticcurlsredcelticcurls Posts: 17,502Registered Users
    I can't do coconut or panthenol either.
    Kiva! Microfinance works.

    Med/Coarse, porous curly.
  • LilaGirlLilaGirl Posts: 1,177Registered Users
    Really??? Wow. I'm shocked that I can't seem to use anything! What is it with this hair of mine. Is this normal?

    Everyone seems to rave about coconut - my hair is SOOO frizzy and dry right now... and I used this same combo yesterday and it was so tangly!

    Ugh. Well I just got a bunch of samples from KAM - I'll make sure none have coconut or panthenol, but I'm hopeful some will work! I need more than KCCC and KCKT!
    3b/fine/normal porosity/normal elasticity

    LOVES behentrimonium methosulfate
    (don't ask me to pronounce that!)


    Want to grow it long again!
    And simply want to figure out this hair of mine!
  • redcelticcurlsredcelticcurls Posts: 17,502Registered Users
    I do quite well on mostly KCKT and KCCC. I can do AOHR, even with the hops, since its rich.
    Kiva! Microfinance works.

    Med/Coarse, porous curly.
  • LilaGirlLilaGirl Posts: 1,177Registered Users
    I have some aohr in my shower. I'll try it. Anything else???
    3b/fine/normal porosity/normal elasticity

    LOVES behentrimonium methosulfate
    (don't ask me to pronounce that!)


    Want to grow it long again!
    And simply want to figure out this hair of mine!
  • redcelticcurlsredcelticcurls Posts: 17,502Registered Users
    I like the Aubrey White Camellia. Not as heavy as the AOHR. Also, love Curl Junkie Curl Rehab. It feels light, but it's great for moisture.
    Kiva! Microfinance works.

    Med/Coarse, porous curly.
  • LilaGirlLilaGirl Posts: 1,177Registered Users
    Okay - will try those!
    3b/fine/normal porosity/normal elasticity

    LOVES behentrimonium methosulfate
    (don't ask me to pronounce that!)


    Want to grow it long again!
    And simply want to figure out this hair of mine!
  • LilaGirlLilaGirl Posts: 1,177Registered Users
    So some good news - I am experiementing with a few new products and liked the Sevi Pumpkin seed condish (though as a LI with KCCC over it, I did get a little dry the second day and the over all look was stringy curls).

    But OMG - Curly Kinks CurlyCue Renew is Amazing. Love my soft curls. The minute I put it on my hair, knots melted and my hair is SOOO soft. Though it has this and I'm not sure what this is

    GuarSilk-Conditioners, Thickeners, & Structural Agents-Home-Blending Nature and Science - Innovative Natural Products...

    Anyone?
    3b/fine/normal porosity/normal elasticity

    LOVES behentrimonium methosulfate
    (don't ask me to pronounce that!)


    Want to grow it long again!
    And simply want to figure out this hair of mine!
  • lulu008lulu008 Posts: 27Registered Users
    every.single.one.

    Hydrolyzed protein almost ruined my hair! My hair even reacts to coconut oil, aloe vera and avocado oil, wheat germ oil, hempseed oil..etc...I had to drop AOHSR when I realized it was making my hair brittle. I can tolerate TN moisture as DC but not as a leave in. Even as a DC, it helps but it still leaves my hair slightly brittle and dry thanks to the AV and Avocado oil. Reading this forum, I now know my protein sensitivity is on the extreme side. It is what it is..

    I recently found products that my hair likes and doesn't react to and I'm so happy. I now know I'll never ever be a PJ, my hair will never allow me to be hehe..
  • LilaGirlLilaGirl Posts: 1,177Registered Users
    lulu - I'm thinking I'm the same - I still question coconut, avocado, aloe -

    But I'm finding stuff that's good for now and will fine-tune a little more when I can broaden my range of products first.

    Anyway, what did you find works? What are your hair properties?
    3b/fine/normal porosity/normal elasticity

    LOVES behentrimonium methosulfate
    (don't ask me to pronounce that!)


    Want to grow it long again!
    And simply want to figure out this hair of mine!
  • kurlygurlykurlygurly Posts: 644Registered Users
    I'd guess the high level of coconut oil in the first one, and the panthenol in the second one.

    I was wondering about panthenol....I thought that was supposed to be moisturizing.

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    Wash: Desert Essence Coconut shampoo, Acure argon shampoo
    Deep Trestment: Nature's Nectars deep conditioner/styler
    Condition: Nature's Nectars luv-n-a-bottle, Nature's Gate pomegranate sunflower
    LEAVE-IN:Nature's Nectars luv-n-a-bottle, Natures Gate pomegranate sunflower
    STYLE: Nature's Nectars Sweet Shea butter blend, Ecostyler gel
    hemp oil, jojoba oil
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  • kurlygurlykurlygurly Posts: 644Registered Users
    I believe my hair dislikes wheat protein.

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    3b-ish... normal to low porosity....med. texture
    Wash: Desert Essence Coconut shampoo, Acure argon shampoo
    Deep Trestment: Nature's Nectars deep conditioner/styler
    Condition: Nature's Nectars luv-n-a-bottle, Nature's Gate pomegranate sunflower
    LEAVE-IN:Nature's Nectars luv-n-a-bottle, Natures Gate pomegranate sunflower
    STYLE: Nature's Nectars Sweet Shea butter blend, Ecostyler gel
    hemp oil, jojoba oil
    www.naturesnectars.net
  • DeshawnDeshawn Posts: 7Registered Users
    I can go about 3 times using a proteins hair shampoo or condish, or design item, before my locks goes haywire - basically ;p first day of proteins, locks likes it. Second day, have to rewash...no second day locks outcomes. third day, locks goes limp; day 4, locks goes lifeless, gummy; day 5 - lifeless, gummy and oily - day 6, immediate hay, when I implement the item. Literally flash-dries my locks. These are healthy proteins we can take them for the shed body weight......
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  • SpiralSpunkSpiralSpunk Posts: 243Registered Users
    Can anyone here use amino acids?

    I read that they're good for protein sensitive hair because supposedly they are a less intense form of protein that will help with moisture renention.

    I'm trying to overhaul my current routine to incorperate more natural yet protein free products; I'm almost there, but the Aubrey b5 gel I planned on getting has amino acids :angry3:

    My hair still has not fully recovered from protein overload so I have no idea which individual proteins aggravate it.
  • anonymous_133347anonymous_133347 Posts: 1,426Registered Users
    I had aubrey b5 gel my first month of CG and used it up but I'm thinking in retrospect my hair may've been sensitive to those amino acids because it looked better once I used straight up kinky curly which is protein free. I can't tell for sure though. Some of that might've been my hair getting healthier and looking better over time.

    This is a great idea for a thread. Figuring out hair and protein sensitivity is a tedious business. :clock: I really want to know everything now now now but it's a process of deduction/elimination so I know it'll take a while. So far I know my hair likes/doesn't seem to mind silk protein because it loves the SM Curl Enhancing Smoothie and it also doesn't mind soy protein if it's further down the ingredient list because my hair also loves Trader Joe's Tea Tree Tingle Conditoner. I don't consider panthenol a protein but I know from SM's Moisture Retention Shampoo and Restorative Conditioner those are OK. As for coconut oil, my hair likes it, but I didn't know coconut oil was a protein. I just thought it strengthened I think the already existing protein within the hair strand. But I guess I could see how that might be a problem is your hair already has a lot of protein in it naturally.

    As for what my hair hates, I think it hates the wheat/oat/soy peptides in the devacurl gel along with the hops. Boy is it hard to tell with that gel because it has so much protein in it! I also think my hair hates the hydrolyzed wheat protein in the the argan ecostyler. Both of these products dry out my hair so much it isn't worth using them even though they do make my hair look nice enough. If I do use them I don't leave them in for more than a day and it's once a week at most. I may give them away.

    Question: Is the silk protein in my SMCES hydrolyzed do you think? It must be in order for them to be able to put it into the product and for the hair to be able to absorb it. . . But then it isn't listed as such. :confused: Same question goes for the soy protein in the TJ TTT Conditioner?
    3A - C, HP, ME, HD. (Coarse, High Porosity, Medium Elasticity, High Density.)

    CG since Nov. 2012

    Poos: SM Moisture Retention + Yucca Baobab, TJ's Tea Tree Tingle
    Condish: TJ 'sTea Tree Tingle*, SM Moisture Retention* + Curl & Shine + Yucca Baobab, Yes to Blueberries
    Stylers: KCKT*, SM Curl Enhancing Smoothie* + Curl & Style Milk*, KCCC*, FSG*, CJ Pattern Pusha, Curl Keeper
    Sealers: Jojoba* or Grapeseed* oil

    * = HG

  • kurlygurlykurlygurly Posts: 644Registered Users
    Can anyone here use amino acids?

    I read that they're good for protein sensitive hair because supposedly they are a less intense form of protein that will help with moisture renention.

    I'm trying to overhaul my current routine to incorperate more natural yet protein free products; I'm almost there, but the Aubrey b5 gel I planned on getting has amino acids :angry3:

    My hair still has not fully recovered from protein overload so I have no idea which individual proteins aggravate it.

    I like the b5 gel, it works for me.

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    3b-ish... normal to low porosity....med. texture
    Wash: Desert Essence Coconut shampoo, Acure argon shampoo
    Deep Trestment: Nature's Nectars deep conditioner/styler
    Condition: Nature's Nectars luv-n-a-bottle, Nature's Gate pomegranate sunflower
    LEAVE-IN:Nature's Nectars luv-n-a-bottle, Natures Gate pomegranate sunflower
    STYLE: Nature's Nectars Sweet Shea butter blend, Ecostyler gel
    hemp oil, jojoba oil
    www.naturesnectars.net
  • kurlygurlykurlygurly Posts: 644Registered Users
    dusalocks wrote: »
    I had aubrey b5 gel my first month of CG and used it up but I'm thinking in retrospect my hair may've been sensitive to those amino acids because it looked better once I used straight up kinky curly which is protein free. I can't tell for sure though. Some of that might've been my hair getting healthier and looking better over time.

    This is a great idea for a thread. Figuring out hair and protein sensitivity is a tedious business. :clock: I really want to know everything now now now but it's a process of deduction/elimination so I know it'll take a while. So far I know my hair likes/doesn't seem to mind silk protein because it loves the SM Curl Enhancing Smoothie and it also doesn't mind soy protein if it's further down the ingredient list because my hair also loves Trader Joe's Tea Tree Tingle Conditoner. I don't consider panthenol a protein but I know from SM's Moisture Retention Shampoo and Restorative Conditioner those are OK. As for coconut oil, my hair likes it, but I didn't know coconut oil was a protein. I just thought it strengthened I think the already existing protein within the hair strand. But I guess I could see how that might be a problem is your hair already has a lot of protein in it naturally.

    As for what my hair hates, I think it hates the wheat/oat/soy peptides in the devacurl gel along with the hops. Boy is it hard to tell with that gel because it has so much protein in it! I also think my hair hates the hydrolyzed wheat protein in the the argan ecostyler. Both of these products dry out my hair so much it isn't worth using them even though they do make my hair look nice enough. If I do use them I don't leave them in for more than a day and it's once a week at most. I may give them away.

    Question: Is the silk protein in my SMCES hydrolyzed do you think? It must be in order for them to be able to put it into the product and for the hair to be able to absorb it. . . But then it isn't listed as such. :confused: Same question goes for the soy protein in the TJ TTT Conditioner?

    Your hair sounds pretty similar to my hair and what it likes and dislikes....although I regularly use AOb5 gel. Wheats and oats are a no no and it seems to do well with silk protein. It doesn't like aloe much. It's very hard to narrow the likes and dislikes down though.

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    3b-ish... normal to low porosity....med. texture
    Wash: Desert Essence Coconut shampoo, Acure argon shampoo
    Deep Trestment: Nature's Nectars deep conditioner/styler
    Condition: Nature's Nectars luv-n-a-bottle, Nature's Gate pomegranate sunflower
    LEAVE-IN:Nature's Nectars luv-n-a-bottle, Natures Gate pomegranate sunflower
    STYLE: Nature's Nectars Sweet Shea butter blend, Ecostyler gel
    hemp oil, jojoba oil
    www.naturesnectars.net
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