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Help! Can vinegar rinse be bad for your hair?

I've been doing CG for about 10 weeks. It was going pretty well at first.

I was only using Tressemme Naturals conditioner and Lilly of the Desert Aloe Vera Gelly and I would diffuse part way to dry.

It seemed like maybe it started not looking as good the past couple of weeks and when I ran out of conditioner I bought Loreal ever creme. Its ok...but it doesn't give my hair much slip.

At the same time, I also thought maybe I need to try a vinegar rinse for any build up. I only read good things about vinegar, but it seemed to leave my hair dry and crunchy like straw- especially a patch right on top that is super frizzy.

Things haven't gotten any better this week using the loreal. So last night I slept with olive oil on. I don't know if it did much. It just felt weighed down and pasty. Well, how was I going to get the oil out? I searched online and ALL I read about vinegar rinse was that it helped dry hair and created shiny beautiful curls, so I tried it again and followed up with a leave-in Suave Naturals Coconut.

We'll see how the curls look today, but they don't feel very soft at all :(

Please give me advice!

Is this ultra dryness from one vinegar rinse? Is this what it is like to be protein sensitive?

Thanks in advance!

Comments

  • morningloriemorninglorie Posts: 23Registered Users
    I don't know how helpful I'll be here, because I'm new to this whole thing, but I just did a ACV rinse a few days ago and I don't think my hair is too dry (its not any drier than normal, at any rate, haha!). I'm wavy (2C), so my hair may be different than yours, but maybe I did something different that could help you?

    You said you did a "vinegar" rinse--I just want to check and make sure you mean apple cider vinegar? I followed the recipe here but there's one on the livecurlylivefree.com website too. I didn't use the whole bottle of it, just enough to get my entire scalp wet.

    The livecurlylivefree site has you leave it in, and the NC recipe says to rinse it out; I rinsed mine out and then went through my (new) routine: cleansed with a (cleansing) conditioner and then deep conditioned. I have no idea if that was the proper way to do things or not, but it seemed to work! I had horrible build up and it really did help.

    I think they recommend only doing the rinse 1 or 2 times a month because it can be drying, so that might be part of the problem too--maybe the L'Oreal conditioner isn't moisturizing enough and the rinse dried you out some more. You might be better off switching back :)
    2c-Dry climate
    Slightly Coarse/Low to Normal Elasticity/Varied Porosity (low at roots, higher at ends)
    High density
    Mod-CG since 2012

    Current Routine (Mod-CG):
    Cleanser/Co-wash: Oribe The Cleanse / AIA Coconut Co-wash
    RO: GVP CB
    LI: Yes to Carrots Pampering Conditioner
    Super Soaker
    Styler: Homemade FSG with a small bit of coconut oil and LALSG
    DT/PT: CJCR / Ion Reconstructor
  • Ml001Ml001 Posts: 354Registered Users
    ACV is drying for some, yes. It is also what protein sensitivity looks like. And AVG acts like protein. Also, the suave coconut has protein. Tresseme does not, but I am not sure on the L'Oreal stuff. Honestly, I would probably start there - the protein issue. Do you know your hair's properties?
    remember, with all advice or suggestions for your hair, YMMV!! :read2:
    My hair:
    2b wavy, medium texture, low porosity, med-high density. Protein finicky.
    My routine:
    Cleansing: DCNP, every 4-5 days (occasionally use CJ cleansers).
    RO: CJSC, occasionally use JCDC
    LI: KCKT or CJSL
    Gel: KCCC, CJCIAB for 2nd day hair (sometimes third)

    Heat is my friend: warm water rinses, steam caps, and diffuse dry. I love CLU cloths and my Denman.
  • acurlygirlacurlygirl Posts: 5Registered Users
    Thank you for your responses!

    I have 3a/2c in the front/top and more 2b underneath. There is really fine and frizzy hair on top but most of it is a little thicker.

    As far as porosity goes...
    When I slide my fingers up a hair, it is not smooth.
    When I tried the float test, it didn't sink.
    So maybe it is medium porosity??

    When I did the vinigar rinse, it was about 1/2 cup white vinegar to 2 cups water. I only used about 1/2 a cup on my hair.

    I went back and used the last drop of my Tresemme Naturals and my hair felt MUCH happier. Unfortunately, the store is completely out of Tresemme Naturals. I got a bottle of Moisture Maniac. I hope it goes well, especially since it costs 8 times more than the other!
  • Ml001Ml001 Posts: 354Registered Users
    A typical vinegar:water ratio would be about 2 tbsp vinegar to a cup of water. Yours was quite concentrated.
    remember, with all advice or suggestions for your hair, YMMV!! :read2:
    My hair:
    2b wavy, medium texture, low porosity, med-high density. Protein finicky.
    My routine:
    Cleansing: DCNP, every 4-5 days (occasionally use CJ cleansers).
    RO: CJSC, occasionally use JCDC
    LI: KCKT or CJSL
    Gel: KCCC, CJCIAB for 2nd day hair (sometimes third)

    Heat is my friend: warm water rinses, steam caps, and diffuse dry. I love CLU cloths and my Denman.
  • KellyBKellyB Posts: 68Registered Users
    I think it is APPLE CIDER VINEGAR, not just any white vinegar.


    Texture: Coarse / Porosity: High / Elasticity: Low / Curl pattern: 3b - 3c
    BC and CG since Sept.15.2012
    I like Tresemmé Naturals, Knot-today, Kinky Curly Curling Custard[/I][/B][/COLOR][/SIZE]
  • curlypearlcurlypearl Posts: 11,983Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    I can't use ACV. It makes my hair straw.
    2/c Coarse hair med. density.
    Highly porous. Color over grey.
    I love all the Curl Junkie products. Still experimenting with gels and curl creams. Still hoping for 2nd day hair....
    Every day is a gift :flower:
  • KeihsKeihs Posts: 435Registered Users
    Just wondering, but has anyone ever tried doing vinegar rinses only? I'm thinking about it and even tried it a couple of times and I like it. Is there any bad effects if I use vinegar (diluted, of course) as the main way to wash hair WITHOUT baking soda (maybe once in a while if needed)? I don't have a problem with the smell and even made some infused ones. Yum. And the smell disappears when it dries anyway, but I wouldn't mind if it stayed. The infused ones actually smell good. Not like vinegar at all. I do CO washes too, sometimes, but maybe not as much or at all if I really like the vinegar rinses. The vinegar rinses hasn't made my hair dry or anything. Greasy once too, but probably because I used too much. If anything, I like the effect it has in my hair: curlier, shinier, and smoother. TIA.
  • kurlygurlykurlygurly Posts: 644Registered Users
    I've always felt like vinegar would be quite harsh on the hair. And after cleaning calcium build up and hard water stains out of my tea kettle by using 50% vinegar and 50% water I DEFINITELY will NOT put it in my hair. Look at the effect vinegar had on my kettle. uploadfromtaptalk1351584713408.jpguploadfromtaptalk1351584729612.jpg
    Sent from my DROID RAZR using Tapatalk 2
    3b-ish... normal to low porosity....med. texture
    Wash: Desert Essence Coconut shampoo, Acure argon shampoo
    Deep Trestment: Nature's Nectars deep conditioner/styler
    Condition: Nature's Nectars luv-n-a-bottle, Nature's Gate pomegranate sunflower
    LEAVE-IN:Nature's Nectars luv-n-a-bottle, Natures Gate pomegranate sunflower
    STYLE: Nature's Nectars Sweet Shea butter blend, Ecostyler gel
    hemp oil, jojoba oil
    www.naturesnectars.net
  • Ml001Ml001 Posts: 354Registered Users
    Exactly - it removed the build up. Although that was a strong concentration - much higher than what it typically would be for a hair solution.

    As far as using it all of the time and as the cleanser - I'm not sure about how the acidity of it might mess with the ph balance of your scalp, if at all. That being said, I have read of people doing this very thing and they are quite happy with the results.

    I use ACV on occasion but as a rinse after a bs wash. (And yes, white vinegar can be used instead, but the ACV has antibacterial and anti fungal properties I don't think the other type has.)
    remember, with all advice or suggestions for your hair, YMMV!! :read2:
    My hair:
    2b wavy, medium texture, low porosity, med-high density. Protein finicky.
    My routine:
    Cleansing: DCNP, every 4-5 days (occasionally use CJ cleansers).
    RO: CJSC, occasionally use JCDC
    LI: KCKT or CJSL
    Gel: KCCC, CJCIAB for 2nd day hair (sometimes third)

    Heat is my friend: warm water rinses, steam caps, and diffuse dry. I love CLU cloths and my Denman.
  • kurlygurlykurlygurly Posts: 644Registered Users
    Ml001 wrote: »
    Exactly - it removed the build up. Although that was a strong concentration - much higher than what it typically would be for a hair solution.

    As far as using it all of the time and as the cleanser - I'm not sure about how the acidity of it might mess with the ph balance of your scalp, if at all. That being said, I have read of people doing this very thing and they are quite happy with the results.

    I use ACV on occasion but as a rinse after a bs wash. (And yes, white vinegar can be used instead, but the ACV has antibacterial and anti fungal properties I don't think the other type has.)

    Oh, apple cigar vinegar....right. Yeah, I used plain white vinegar. So what's the concentration (parts per vinegar) that's recommended or do you pour it on soaking wet hair and then rinse rather quickly?

    Sent from my DROID RAZR using Tapatalk 2
    3b-ish... normal to low porosity....med. texture
    Wash: Desert Essence Coconut shampoo, Acure argon shampoo
    Deep Trestment: Nature's Nectars deep conditioner/styler
    Condition: Nature's Nectars luv-n-a-bottle, Nature's Gate pomegranate sunflower
    LEAVE-IN:Nature's Nectars luv-n-a-bottle, Natures Gate pomegranate sunflower
    STYLE: Nature's Nectars Sweet Shea butter blend, Ecostyler gel
    hemp oil, jojoba oil
    www.naturesnectars.net
  • Ml001Ml001 Posts: 354Registered Users
    It's generally a tablespoon of vinegar (people often adjust that up or down a little) in a cup of water. I use a big mason jar so I do a little more water and vinegar - I soak my ends in it for a minute then just pour over my hair and rinse it out.
    remember, with all advice or suggestions for your hair, YMMV!! :read2:
    My hair:
    2b wavy, medium texture, low porosity, med-high density. Protein finicky.
    My routine:
    Cleansing: DCNP, every 4-5 days (occasionally use CJ cleansers).
    RO: CJSC, occasionally use JCDC
    LI: KCKT or CJSL
    Gel: KCCC, CJCIAB for 2nd day hair (sometimes third)

    Heat is my friend: warm water rinses, steam caps, and diffuse dry. I love CLU cloths and my Denman.
  • kurlygurlykurlygurly Posts: 644Registered Users
    Ml001 wrote: »
    It's generally a tablespoon of vinegar (people often adjust that up or down a little) in a cup of water. I use a big mason jar so I do a little more water and vinegar - I soak my ends in it for a minute then just pour over my hair and rinse it out.

    Ok, thanks.

    Sent from my DROID RAZR using Tapatalk 2
    3b-ish... normal to low porosity....med. texture
    Wash: Desert Essence Coconut shampoo, Acure argon shampoo
    Deep Trestment: Nature's Nectars deep conditioner/styler
    Condition: Nature's Nectars luv-n-a-bottle, Nature's Gate pomegranate sunflower
    LEAVE-IN:Nature's Nectars luv-n-a-bottle, Natures Gate pomegranate sunflower
    STYLE: Nature's Nectars Sweet Shea butter blend, Ecostyler gel
    hemp oil, jojoba oil
    www.naturesnectars.net
  • Geek_ChicGeek_Chic Posts: 1,269Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    Someone here mentioned that using 1tsp ACV per cup of water makes the pH of the solution match the natural pH of hair. So, at that concentration, it could be safely used every wash, since it would normalize the hair's pH. I prefer the results I get from using 1 Tbsp per cup of water in my once a week ACV rinse though. I cowash, rinse, apply ACV rinse (and leave it in), apply my RO, then rinse and proceed normally with the rest of my routine.
    CG since 11/2011
    2c /3a F /Mii, low porosity

    Go To Products /Routine:
    Clarifying: Suave Essentials Strawberry
    Low Poo: Renpure Luxurious Argan Oil
    CO: Suave Essentials Strawberry, V05 Kiwi Lime
    RO /LI: Tresemme Perfectly (un)Done, Cure Care, V05 Kiwi Lime Squeeze, Suave Essentials Strawberry, Renpure Brazilian Keratin (old formula)
    Stylers: LALSG, AIF, HETT, Suave Professionals Firm Control
    PT: IAGirl's as needed
  • Ml001Ml001 Posts: 354Registered Users
    ^thats good info - thanks! :)
    remember, with all advice or suggestions for your hair, YMMV!! :read2:
    My hair:
    2b wavy, medium texture, low porosity, med-high density. Protein finicky.
    My routine:
    Cleansing: DCNP, every 4-5 days (occasionally use CJ cleansers).
    RO: CJSC, occasionally use JCDC
    LI: KCKT or CJSL
    Gel: KCCC, CJCIAB for 2nd day hair (sometimes third)

    Heat is my friend: warm water rinses, steam caps, and diffuse dry. I love CLU cloths and my Denman.
  • bringingcurliesback?bringingcurliesback? Posts: 1,307Registered Users
    no it is not at all! i used to co wash and i have been washing my hair with baking soda followed by vinegar occasionally. it works great and after a while your hair will regulate itself. just make sure you dilute them with water. i use one tbsp of apple cider vinegar diluted in eight ounces of water. you may need more or less depending on your hair type. if your feels dry stop using baking soda, and if need apply a few drops of a natural oil to your ends and that's that.

    Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I997 using CurlTalk App
    *Current Routine*
    LP: SM RSB
    CO/CW: CJ Daily Fix, GR Restorative, SM RSB, SM SFC
    DC: SM, CJ Rehab, G.Nutrafix, DIY
    LI: a CO, KCKT
    Sealers: an oil, JC N&S
    Stylers: just CO, CJ CIAB, KCCC, aloe gel, FSG
    Once in a while: ACV, Lemon-Aid

    Oils to seal, rinse, and/or pre-poo as needed :love10:

    2c/3a/3b coarse, normal porosity
    :toothy4: CG since 2007 :flower:
  • KeihsKeihs Posts: 435Registered Users
    I use apple cider vinegar and white vinegar and they both seem fine to me. I usually dilute it from a tablespoon to a cup of water but no less than that. Some times if I'm lazy, I just fill up a bottle with water and add a tablespoon. I never noticed any dryness, but soft, smooth clean feeling hair, though once it actually seemed oily when I used too much vinegar.

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