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Please advise--Updated again post 53

HoneycurlsHoneycurls Posts: 1,889Registered Users
So, our downstairs neighbor has elaborate RC aircraft--I've seen a plane and a helicopter so far. The plane is equipped with a camera, and he wears goggles as he flies it to see what the plane sees. Today, he was out with the helicopter--he had the goggles on his head, but not down over his eyes, so I assume it is outfitted with a camera as well. I was wigged out by the plane the other day, but I'm definitely wigged out by the helicopter, as it has the ability to hover. Today he brought it up to the level of my windows, but not near my windows. I don't know what kind of camera these things have, but I'm EXTREMELY uncomfortable with this. He wasn't close to my window, but like I said, I don't know what kind of camera is mounted on the aircraft and what kind of zoom capability it has. My bedroom sliding door is on that side, and I often just leave the blinds open when sleeping and changing since we are on the 3rd floor. He could easily fly that thing up to my window at any time if he wanted to.

We don't know these people--they moved into their unit shortly before we moved into ours. I do know that he is an engineer and has his apartment surrounded with security cameras, which, for our neighborhood, is peculiar. They're the best neighbors I've ever had--can't ever even tell they're home, except can hear their newborn crying through the floor at times.

Am I overreacting? What would you do...if anything?
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  • RedCatWavesRedCatWaves Posts: 31,258Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    I would make a sign and put it in that window that says something like:
    Stop peeping in my window with your RC aircraft or I will call the police.

    or, how about:
    Stop peeping in my window with your RC aircraft or I will shoot it down with my gun.


    If he sees it, then he'll know you're on to him and he'll hopefully stop, or look for another victim. If he can't see it, then it doesn't matter. Win/Win, right?
  • irociroc Posts: 7,890Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    I do want to make sure that you know somebody can scale the side of your building and get on your deck in seconds. We lived on the third floor and my mom used to leave the slider open. A friend showed her bow easy they could climb onto our balcony.

    Just fyi.

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  • HoneycurlsHoneycurls Posts: 1,889Registered Users
    iroc wrote: »
    I do want to make sure that you know somebody can scale the side of your building and get on your deck in seconds. We lived on the third floor and my mom used to leave the slider open. A friend showed her bow easy they could climb onto our balcony.

    Just fyi.

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    We live right on a very busy street/busy sidewalk in plain view of many people. It would create quite a spectacle if someone did that. Additionally, the architecture of our building is unusual, so the walls slope and the balconies stand out quite far from the side of a building and the balcony walls slope outward as well. They'd have to use a ladder, which would call attention to them. Our building is very unique. There is very little privacy from any direction--it has its pros and cons, but one pro is an additional layer of security. And, at night, I always keep the slider locked but the blinds open occasionally.

    Bottom line, a person could pick my door locks, break my windows, kick my door in, ambush me downstairs, etc. if they really wanted to get at me. But thanks, though. I'm usually pretty anal about security, but this building is just not conducive to those kinds of break-ins. There are some single ladies who live here and they're very comfortable.
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  • HoneycurlsHoneycurls Posts: 1,889Registered Users
    I would make a sign and put it in that window that says something like:
    Stop peeping in my window with your RC aircraft or I will call the police.

    or, how about:
    Stop peeping in my window with your RC aircraft or I will shoot it down with my gun.


    If he sees it, then he'll know you're on to him and he'll hopefully stop, or look for another victim. If he can't see it, then it doesn't matter. Win/Win, right?

    I really like the second one. But then I'm stuck with an ugly sign in my window blocking my view. Maybe I'll have one ready to go next time I see him head out with one of his toys, and stick it in the window then. Husband told me to call the police, but I'm not quite there yet.

    I'm mostly wondering if I'm overreacting to this situation. I want to take a more legal, more official route if there is one.
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  • jeepcurlygurljeepcurlygurl Posts: 19,754Registered Users, Curl Ambassador Curl Virtuoso
    I'm not easily creeped out but that gives me a tiny bit of the creeps.
    There are cameras everywhere these days. Nearly every person has a camera phone, traffic cams, security cams, etc, etc. There's very little privacy in the world.
    But our own homes should be <curse word here> off limits. Period.
    I would do as RCW suggested. Make it big, make it visible. Put it up as soon as you hear him out playing with his little toys. If his aircraft comes no where near your window, he won't see it and no harm no foul. If it does come near your window, he will know not to do it again (hopefully).
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  • The New BlackThe New Black Posts: 16,742Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    Have your property manager talk to him.
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  • MultitexturedMultitextured Posts: 68Registered Users
    I'm pretty sure you can call the police (non-emergency) for advice, without asking them to intervene. They might be able to give you some insight regarding how worried you should be, and even whether this guy is doing something illegal. They could also give you tips on how to approach him if that's what you want to do.
    Personally, I don't think you're overreacting - even if this person has good intentions, his behavior is inconsiderate at best.

    Good luck and stay safe!
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  • HoneycurlsHoneycurls Posts: 1,889Registered Users
    I'm pretty sure you can call the police (non-emergency) for advice, without asking them to intervene. They might be able to give you some insight regarding how worried you should be, and even whether this guy is doing something illegal. They could also give you tips on how to approach him if that's what you want to do.
    Personally, I don't think you're overreacting - even if this person has good intentions, his behavior is inconsiderate at best.

    Good luck and stay safe!

    I agree--very inconsiderate, but that seems to be the norm these days. I think he was possibly watching me watch him today because the helicopter was just hovering across the street at the level of my living room window where I was standing. I had been out on the balcony trying to appear nonchalant, but I went inside so I could be less obvious. I wanted to see what he did with the copter when he thought I was gone.

    That's my next step. Right now, I'm waiting to hear back from the Association of Model Aeronautics to find out what the rules are governing flying RC aircraft in this area and hear what they have to say about one likely equipped with cameras.

    I don't want to involve the property management if unnecessary. They're pretty hands-off about rule and law enforcement. I anticipate they'll just be another source of frustration for me. This guy should know better. He's got to be pretty deeply entrenched into the hobby, because these are elaborate, expensive aircraft, with blinking lights, goggles, cameras.
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  • The New BlackThe New Black Posts: 16,742Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    Just talk to him directly.
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  • scrillsscrills Posts: 6,700Registered Users
    If you don't want to confront him, you can put a privacy film over your windows so you can see out but no one can see it.

    It sucks that you have to do anything, but I just wanted to offer up that option
  • HoneycurlsHoneycurls Posts: 1,889Registered Users
    Just talk to him directly.

    That was my first idea, but people are nuts. That hasn't gone so well in the past for me. Besides, I want him to get an official wrist slap and an education about where he can legally fly that thing because it's not just my privacy he's violating.

    Like I said, he should already know better. He's old enough and he's intelligent enough.

    No way am I blocking my view or spending a dime because someone else is a douchebag--not until I know I have no other option, but thanks for the idea, scrills!
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  • ss40ss40 Posts: 1,790Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    Just tell him you don't want him flying the plane on you're property.

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  • HoneycurlsHoneycurls Posts: 1,889Registered Users
    ss40 wrote: »
    Just tell him you don't want him flying the plane on you're property.

    Every teardrop is a waterfall

    It's not my property; it's an apartment complex.

    He's not flying it on the property. He's across the street. The camera may have a zoom lens or he may be able to record and then zoom the images. It's also near a busy street, and I'm fairly certain that's not legal. The last idiot crashed his RC plane on our roof. Could have crashed it in traffic and caused an accident. The really stupid thing is that there is a model plane field not far from here, or he could walk a little further--maybe 1/8 mi--and be away from traffic and residences.

    Besides, as if he's going to listen to me just because I don't like it. I need legal backup first.
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  • spiderlashes5000spiderlashes5000 Posts: 17,502Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    Honeycurls wrote: »
    ss40 wrote: »
    Just tell him you don't want him flying the plane on you're property.

    Every teardrop is a waterfall

    It's not my property; it's an apartment complex.

    He's not flying it on the property. He's across the street. The camera may have a zoom lens or he may be able to record and then zoom the images. It's also near a busy street, and I'm fairly certain that's not legal. The last idiot crashed his RC plane on our roof. Could have crashed it in traffic and caused an accident. The really stupid thing is that there is a model plane field not far from here, or he could walk a little further--maybe 1/8 mi--and be away from traffic and residences.

    Besides, as if he's going to listen to me just because I don't like it. I need legal backup first.

    Have you taken pictures? As a record? I would jic.

    But if it's across the street...well, maybe you are over reacting?

    How different would this be from just walking by someone's living room window and glancing in if they lived on the first floor?

    IDK. I just tend to keep my blinds closed bc I am a tad paranoid.

  • SunshineGrrlSunshineGrrl Posts: 3,823Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    Creeper! The only reason I could see him flying something with a camera is to see the view. Like a bird's eye nature view. If he's flying in an area where the only real viewpoint is inside your house...Creeper!

  • RedCatWavesRedCatWaves Posts: 31,258Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    I don't think there are a whole lot of restrictions on low-flying aircraft, unless you are near an airport or an important government building. But, it's worth a try to go that route.

    I would not confront him directly. People really are nuts, especially in apartment settings.
  • HoneycurlsHoneycurls Posts: 1,889Registered Users
    Honeycurls wrote: »
    ss40 wrote: »
    Just tell him you don't want him flying the plane on you're property.

    Every teardrop is a waterfall

    It's not my property; it's an apartment complex.

    He's not flying it on the property. He's across the street. The camera may have a zoom lens or he may be able to record and then zoom the images. It's also near a busy street, and I'm fairly certain that's not legal. The last idiot crashed his RC plane on our roof. Could have crashed it in traffic and caused an accident. The really stupid thing is that there is a model plane field not far from here, or he could walk a little further--maybe 1/8 mi--and be away from traffic and residences.

    Besides, as if he's going to listen to me just because I don't like it. I need legal backup first.

    Have you taken pictures? As a record? I would jic.

    But if it's across the street...well, maybe you are over reacting?

    How different would this be from just walking by someone's living room window and glancing in if they lived on the first floor?

    IDK. I just tend to keep my blinds closed bc I am a tad paranoid.

    Lol, you're always consistent, you little devil's advocate, you. If someone stands across the street from your home and aims a camera into your windows, would that not bother you? I'm fairly certain that falls under peeping tom laws as well--and if not, it should. I'm on the 3rd floor, not the 1st floor--and for a reason. Extra effort is required to see in one's window that high--that's the difference. That's like asking what would be different about climbing up a ladder and looking in my windows. I shouldn't have to be concerned with someone looking in with a camera on a toy helicopter. That's just all kinds of wrong.

    I have a gorgeous view and I'm on the 3rd floor. I'm not keeping my blinds closed because some askhat wants to play with his fancy toys. If there's legal footing, I'm going to kick him with it.
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  • spiderlashes5000spiderlashes5000 Posts: 17,502Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    Honeycurls wrote: »
    Honeycurls wrote: »

    It's not my property; it's an apartment complex.

    He's not flying it on the property. He's across the street. The camera may have a zoom lens or he may be able to record and then zoom the images. It's also near a busy street, and I'm fairly certain that's not legal. The last idiot crashed his RC plane on our roof. Could have crashed it in traffic and caused an accident. The really stupid thing is that there is a model plane field not far from here, or he could walk a little further--maybe 1/8 mi--and be away from traffic and residences.

    Besides, as if he's going to listen to me just because I don't like it. I need legal backup first.

    Have you taken pictures? As a record? I would jic.

    But if it's across the street...well, maybe you are over reacting?

    How different would this be from just walking by someone's living room window and glancing in if they lived on the first floor?

    IDK. I just tend to keep my blinds closed bc I am a tad paranoid.

    Lol, you're always consistent, you little devil's advocate, you. If someone stands across the street from your home and aims a camera into your windows, would that not bother you? I'm fairly certain that falls under peeping tom laws as well--and if not, it should. I'm on the 3rd floor, not the 1st floor--and for a reason. Extra effort is required to see in one's window that high--that's the difference. That's like asking what would be different about climbing up a ladder and looking in my windows. I shouldn't have to be concerned with someone looking in with a camera on a toy helicopter. That's just all kinds of wrong.

    I have a gorgeous view and I'm on the 3rd floor. I'm not keeping my blinds closed because some askhat wants to play with his fancy toys. If there's legal footing, I'm going to kick him with it.

    Just trying to keep things balanced up in here! :toothy7:
    But seriously, what does your husband say? I would expect him to ask the guy to stop. That's just one of the reasons why husbands exists IMO.

    Legally, I ~believe~ the owner of the land owns the airspace up and above the property in a cone shape, up to a certain height, and can restrict activity in that space. But i will have to double check my real estate law books.

    Are you sure the helicopter has a camera on it?

  • irociroc Posts: 7,890Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    If It's legal action you're looking to take, I think there are more informative avenues than NC to get answers to your questions.

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  • FEMBOTFEMBOT Banned Posts: 72Banned Users
    Can we get a lawyer up in here?
    I think you should moon him.
  • ss40ss40 Posts: 1,790Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    If you live in an apartment go to the management or landlord. You may not be the only one affected by this guy & his toy. If enough ppl complain you never know what the outcome will be.

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  • spiderlashes5000spiderlashes5000 Posts: 17,502Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    Yes, I was right above. See page 2. But it would be the land owner who would need to enforce this if the peeping tom doesn't voluntarily cease.

  • HoneycurlsHoneycurls Posts: 1,889Registered Users
    iroc wrote: »
    If It's legal action you're looking to take, I think there are more informative avenues than NC to get answers to your questions.

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    'Cuz you never come here for anything except curly hair info yourself, right? If you're looking for a place to spew < > and be a < >, I'm sure there's somewhere better where someone may possibly care. Me...not so much.

    Buh-bye!

    Anyway...
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  • HoneycurlsHoneycurls Posts: 1,889Registered Users
    FEMBOT wrote: »
    Can we get a lawyer up in here?
    I think you should moon him.

    :headslap: Why didn't I think of that???

    Oh, probably because that may be exactly what he's hoping for??? Lol, silly!
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  • HoneycurlsHoneycurls Posts: 1,889Registered Users
    Yes, I was right above. See page 2. But it would be the land owner who would need to enforce this if the peeping tom doesn't voluntarily cease.

    I'll take a look, but he's not over our property at all. He's standing across the street, and keeping the aircraft (at least today) across the street, but it was hovering at the level of my windows, seemingly looking right at me, directly across from me. It made me back up further into my apartment.

    I'm not certain the helicopter has a camera, but he flew the plane the other day with special goggles that were connected via wire to this huge briefcase thing, and he never looked up at the plane once. He just stared straight ahead unmoving with the goggles over his eyes.

    Today, he had the goggles attached to the briefcase, but it seemed that he just had them on his forehead, as if he didn't want to take his eyes off the 'copter. Then he suddenly stopped and put it away...which also makes me think he saw me.

    Our property manager can't do anything about what someone does across the street on public or gov't owned land. And, though one of our "esteemed" members here thinks that I live my life only by the information I glean from the curly board, I am actually waiting to hear back from the local Flight Standards District Office, after having spoken to several people at the police station, the Association for Model Aeronautics, and the FAA at the airport. One person at the FAA told me that he was aware of the type of aircraft I was talking about and that it was relatively new, so there were probably no laws on the books yet. I don't mind setting a precedent. Clearly, iroc, I don't need your snark-infested "advice." :sleepy4:

    The funny thing is, this guy is an engineer who works with airports, so they probably know him and probably called him and told him that people were complaining about him!

    As for hubs, he wasn't home, but he immediately told me to call the police...I believe I posted that upthread or even in the OP. I'm just not one to always run straight for the police. I didn't think it was in their jurisdiction necessarily. I just wanted to do some research before I started sounding the alarm.

    And, lastly, I'm not confronting this guy unless that's my only option. Where have you people been??? People are nucking futs!!!! Did you not read my recent laundry room incident??? And that was over 3 socks and 2 pairs of undies!!!
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  • HoneycurlsHoneycurls Posts: 1,889Registered Users
    Honeycurls wrote: »
    FEMBOT wrote: »
    Can we get a lawyer up in here?
    I think you should moon him.

    :headslap: Why didn't I think of that???

    Oh, probably because that may be exactly what he's hoping for??? Lol, silly!

    Better yet, I'll get hubs to moon him...that will definitely solve the problem. He'll spend the next 10 years trying to un-see that image!!! :D :cyclopsani:
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  • spiderlashes5000spiderlashes5000 Posts: 17,502Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    What kind of place is across the street? Like a park or something?

  • HoneycurlsHoneycurls Posts: 1,889Registered Users
    What kind of place is across the street? Like a park or something?

    A state beach, but it's a relatively narrow strip of beach right in front of us, especially at higher tides.
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  • cailincailin Posts: 899Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    I can understand your discomfort and I'm not trying to be rude but I have a few questions.

    How do you know there's a camera on the thing and how do you know what the goggles do?

    There could be several other things he's doing. As an engineer at the airport maybe he's running some kind of simulation, maybe it's a new kind of super nerd video game and the goggles are the "screen", maybe he's testing a prototype of said super nerd video game and he will someday be a millionare.

    I just don't see someone trying to be a peeping tom all out in the open like that. And I bet he'd tell you all about it if you said "Hey, whatcha doin?" the next time he's out there, I'm sure he'll geek out all over the place to tell you about it.
  • FEMBOTFEMBOT Banned Posts: 72Banned Users
    Yes, those engineers are an interesting bunch.
    Let me do some research and see what I can come up with.
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