No Cornrows or Locs at Hampton University Business School

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  • adthomasadthomas Posts: 5,525Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    Whatever!! It is the univerity's job to educate people and not to tell them how to wear their hair so if the style is not disruptive to the learning environment, it is none of their business (pun intended). They may suggest someone cut their locs but to require it is stupid. Speaking of stupid that African American history analogy was beyond beyond. He sounds like an educated fool. I don't know too many AA people who haven't had cornrows at some point in their life. Another thing we may be AA but our "history" didn't just start once we stepped off the boat. Harriet Tubman and Sojoyner Truth didnt wear a relaxer so maybe they should ban that too.
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    SMH HU.

    Like, really? Of ALLLL the things to possibly be concerned about...


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    Sad but I'm totally unsurprised.


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  • juanabjuanab Posts: 4,037Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    This is not new. Also, FAMU SBI has the same policy.


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  • Talisa3636Talisa3636 Posts: 310Registered Users
    This was an issue with the school years ago as well. Was it not passed and then they decided to bring it up again?
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  • itsKelCeeEeeitsKelCeeEee Posts: 1,084Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    juanab wrote: »
    This is not new. Also, FAMU SBI has the same policy.


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    And they also have nothing better to do with their time.


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  • juanabjuanab Posts: 4,037Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    I know this won't be popular, but I have never seen a Mohawk, blue hair, or side buzz cut in the boardroom. Their goal is to get the graduates into corporate America. The styles mentioned above aren't considered corporate and neither are locs or cornrows. That is not the fault of these schools.


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  • ss40ss40 Posts: 1,790Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    So is an afro okay? I don't recall that being unAfrican American. They should be ashamed. The dean of the SOB should be fired for not changing the policy sooner. Its not apart of African American History?
    MLK was not a business major & neither was Dr. C.R. Drew. So why reach for those names to make your point. They were not getting jobs in corporate America from 2001 to 2012. Attitudes have changed on this. The military needs to fix their policy on this too.

    Acclaimed author & journalist Toure is working in corporate America these days maybe he should offer a commentary since he doesn't rock the all African American fade.

    Why would we want to work for someone who would judge us by our hairstyle & not our resume?

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    juanab wrote: »
    I know this won't be popular, but I have never seen a Mohawk, blue hair, or side buzz cut in the boardroom. Their goal is to get the graduates into corporate America. The styles mentioned above aren't considered corporate and neither are locs or cornrows. That is not the fault of these schools.


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    This is not how you get African Americans into the boardroom. This is subscribing to the idea that we are not qualified due to our hairstyles. Its self hate & the acceptance of stereotypes in
    a convoluted nutshell.

    I don't think Morehouse has this policy on hair (they have a policy against cross dressing). They should be the school setting the standard since they are graduating successful young men & they must be getting jobs. I've been to a graduation & they don't all have one hairstyle.

    Also locs are not the same as blue hair & Mohawks. It takes years to grow locs. Many men wear them well. LZ Granderson, AJ, there's another man in the media who has locs on CNN.

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  • Chicago KinksChicago Kinks Posts: 2,748Registered Users Curl Novice
    I'm probably going to get backlash for this but oh well....when I was interviewing for a new assistant, hair was big for me. I make no secret a professional understated appearance is important.
    Those rooster hairstyles with red's, blues and such; half/side shaved; picasso scene or outlandish designs cut into a man's head; super high spikes....are all deal breakers for me.

    I don't have an issue with afros, cornrows, dreds but those are "tame" in comparison to some of the hair styles I see while riding the train.

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  • ss40ss40 Posts: 1,790Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    I agree CK. I don't think anyone should be rocking huge, highly colored, half shaved heads with gang signs shaved into the side. I put my own hair back into 2 low profile flat twists for interviews.

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  • juanabjuanab Posts: 4,037Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    Morehouse Dress Code

    Sienna, I respectfully disagree. They are all hairstyles. I believe what the schools are trying to convey is to get your foot in the door and then you can work from the inside to change minds and hearts. Why give yourself a disadvantage over a hairstyle?

    The article below discusses this subject very well.

    Dreadlocks in Corporate America, is it acceptable


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  • juanabjuanab Posts: 4,037Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    ss40 wrote: »
    I agree CK. I don't think anyone should be rocking huge, highly colored, half shaved heads with gang signs shaved into the side. I put my own hair back into 2 low profile flat twists for interviews.

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    For you locs are no big deal. There are those who see huge highly colored half shaved heads and locs in the same vein.

    I am not one of those people however.



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    juanab wrote: »
    Morehouse Dress Code

    Sienna, I respectfully disagree. They are all hairstyles. I believe what the schools are trying to convey is to get your foot in the door and then you can work from the inside to change minds and hearts. Why give yourself a disadvantage over a hairstyle?

    The article below discusses this subject very well.

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    The first link didn't work. I know Morehouse has a serious dress code policy but they have men on their campus with locs. They also revamped their policy in 2009.

    They are all hairstyles yes, but there's a difference in degree of hairstyles. Its like crime, lol, there are misdemeanors & felonies.

    I will not compromise who I am or scam hr managers by taming my hair for an interview & having them act crazy later on. That shows a major lack of integrity. Many Muslim women have this problem when we cover our heads. Folks shouldn't have to be coaxed or their hearts & minds changed. This is a discrimination problem. We are holding ourselves back with policies like this.

    Also hiring managers at headquarters in America's major cities & urban areas are not strangers to variety & diversity.

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  • Chicago KinksChicago Kinks Posts: 2,748Registered Users Curl Novice
    juanab wrote: »
    ss40 wrote: »
    I agree CK. I don't think anyone should be rocking huge, highly colored, half shaved heads with gang signs shaved into the side. I put my own hair back into 2 low profile flat twists for interviews.

    I'm cashing out

    For you locs are no big deal. There are those who see huge highly colored half shaved heads and locs in the same vein.

    I am not one of those people however.



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    It amazes me how school administrators try and speak for all of corporate america. They talk to two companies and run with it but legally no company will put it in writing so what companies are still admitting this??
    I've worked and hired in the private sector for years, on Wall Street, for fortune 500 companies and locs, braids aren't as hindering as schools make them out to be. Now maybe in the healthcare field, maybe, but finance, judicial and private risk...not so much. It makes no sense.

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  • juanabjuanab Posts: 4,037Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    ss40 wrote: »
    juanab wrote: »
    Morehouse Dress Code

    Sienna, I respectfully disagree. They are all hairstyles. I believe what the schools are trying to convey is to get your foot in the door and then you can work from the inside to change minds and hearts. Why give yourself a disadvantage over a hairstyle?

    The article below discusses this subject very well.

    Dreadlocks in Corporate America, is it acceptable


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    The first link didn't work. I know Morehouse has a serious dress code policy but they have men on their campus with locs. They also revamped their policy in 2009.

    They are all hairstyles yes, but there's a difference in degree of hairstyles. Its like crime, lol, there are misdemeanors & felonies.

    I will not compromise who I am or scam hr managers by taming my hair for an interview & having them act crazy later on. That shows a major lack of integrity. Many Muslim women have this problem when we cover our heads. Folks shouldn't have to be coaxed or their hearts & minds changed. This is a discrimination problem. We are holding ourselves back with policies like this.

    Also hiring managers at headquarters in America's major cities & urban areas are not strangers to variety & diversity.

    I'm cashing out


    Sienna, in some people's eyes misdemeanor or felony doesn't matter. It says you committed a crime. Same difference to them.

    In a previous post you said you put your hair in back in low profile flat twists for interviews. You said that in response to CK having an interviewee coming in with multi-colored hair, sky high hair. You want to make sure your hairstyle is not obtrusive, no? In your eyes the comparison may not be the same, but for some it is.

    While the hiring managers may not be strangers to diversity or variety, there is a limit and it depends on the position.

    I only see it as discrimination if certain other non traditional hairstyles for allowed and those are not.



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  • Nappy_curly_crownNappy_curly_crown Posts: 4,162Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    FAMU SBI (School of Business and Industry) no longer has a policy about hair styles banning locs. They do however highly discourage braids on male students. When I roamed the hill circa 1999-2002 there were plenty of male SBI students with locs, fros, such. But you would be hard presses to find a dude rocking some cornrows with his suit.




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  • juanabjuanab Posts: 4,037Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    FAMU SBI Guidelines

    For Forum attendance the dress code states "no braids or dreads"

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  • Chicago KinksChicago Kinks Posts: 2,748Registered Users Curl Novice
    juanab wrote: »
    FAMU SBI Guidelines

    For Forum attendance the dress code states "no braids or dreads"

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    Ok, no braids or dreds at FAMU but grow them while completing your MBA at Wharton...they don't discriminate.

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  • Nappy_curly_crownNappy_curly_crown Posts: 4,162Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    juanab wrote: »
    FAMU SBI Guidelines

    For Forum attendance the dress code states "no braids or dreads"

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    Forum is one class that SBI students take and it has it's own culture so to speak. The requirements for forum only apply to the MBA students, not those getting a BS or BA in business because the 4 year students don't take forum.

    I know that's what the website states but I've seen guys with locs attend forum without any consequence. The only requirement/adjustment they are told to make is they must be pulled back and be neat. I wonder if they are making a distinction between manicured/groomed locs and the more free form unmanicured locs...because I have seen SBI male and female students with those kind of locs told point blank that they have to go. But those with manicured locs ate told to pull them back into a bun or the like.


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  • adthomasadthomas Posts: 5,525Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    FAMU SBI (School of Business and Industry) no longer has a policy about hair styles banning locs. They do however highly discourage braids on male students. When I roamed the hill circa 1999-2002 there were plenty of male SBI students with locs, fros, such. But you would be hard presses to find a dude rocking some cornrows with his suit.




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    The key is "highly discouraged" and not banned. I still don't feel it is the school's place to force students wear dreds or braids. They can inform them of what they perceive to be the reality of it. That should be it. If someone goes out job hunting and decides their hair style is holding them back and cuts it off then that is their choice. These universities can't guarantee the students in this economy will get jobs no matter how they wear their hair so they might end up with no job, no locs, and huge student loan debt to pay back. What if someone is a non traditional student who has a job but is going back to school because their boss is helping them to further their education? Happens all the time. Are they forced to cut? As far as the outrageous hair styles, most schools I know those are against the general school dress code anyway like short shorts or pajamas. But if well groomed dreds and braids are perfectly acceptable in everything from high school to grad school then I don't think business school should be the exception. Afterall, you are paying the school, not the other way around.
    What about the issue of women and long hair? I don't see too many business, banking, corporate types with hair to the butts. I work in media. they tell you in school that really long hair, bosses frown on but you are not forced to cut. However, at my work plenty of women have come in with long hair then cut it not long after they start because they know the deal when they took the job. Two ladies at work have chopped recently and I know another has been advised to. I've never seen it stopped anyone from getting hired
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  • ss40ss40 Posts: 1,790Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    Its racist. Point blank period. The policy doesn't get into clean or dirty hair, long our short hair, blue or green hair. (what if I'm Irish with bright red hair?) It specifically names locs & cornrows on men only. That's discrimination because women can wear locs & cornrows (are they feminine hairstyles?). Pretty soon only light skinned babyfaced black men (the teddy bear effect) ,will be able to attend college because they are more likely to get hired & promoted. That's where this policy is leaning..."Please don't look threatening young talented Black man."

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  • juanabjuanab Posts: 4,037Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    Real talk, as hard as things are now for those coming out of college, my concern as a male college student would not be whether to keep my cornrows or locs to stand on principle. Get the job, then grow your locs.


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    In a learning environment, hair should not be an issue. In the corporate environment, hair can be an issue. I have never been one to tell a person what to do with their personal appearance, when employment opportunities are at the forefront. Each individual has to weigh it for themselves, and do what's best for them - based on their particular situation at any given time. I'd rather be employed, than exercise my "right" to wear my hair in locs and not have a job. I have no problem throwing on a wig - if that choice had to be made.

    Corporate America is tricky, and there's no across the board rules that apply to all segments. I don't think cornrows are ultra professional, but I don't care for cornrows...period. I wore them as a kid, and that ended once I grew up.

    With all that said, I have always found black people to be the most "interesting", when it comes to our hair and our perception of what's acceptable to those outside our circle of blackness (Corporate America as a whole). We're quick to tell each other what's acceptable, when truth be told, we're often the least accepting of our hair, and others often aren't nearly as bent as we are.
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  • adthomasadthomas Posts: 5,525Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    The "reality" is that much of corporate America also doesn't like very long or curly hair. If it did we wouldn't continually have these "is curly or long hair professional?" threads. People wouldn't be coming on here asking if they should flat iron for a job interview. As much as we on here are about embracing our natural curls the truth is many work environments don't like it. I love my natural hair and it is beautiful but most of the time I wear a straight wig to work. My other curly coworkers blow their hair out or flat iron but I don't want to put my hair through that. My hair is bsl but I wear a wig that is near shoulder length. This is the longest I've ever let my hair grow and If I wore my real hair I would never have let it grow this long. The wig is for the job. The curls are for me.
    To me the excuse of "helping students find jobs" doesn't hold up if you are not telling the students with the massive curly Beyonce weaves that they can't have that in their hair. Because the employer probably won't like that either. So until the universities start making hair cuts and flat irons an admission requirement it is discrimination and i think they can have a football stadium full of seats. Any school that told me to cut my locs would be told where to stick their policy and I would go elsewhere. Like I said you are paying them and not the other way around. I have friends with locs who own their own businesses. If someone applied for a job with them locs would not be an issue. So it is not a given locs would hold a person back. I say let the student decide what is best for him.
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  • Jpop825Jpop825 Posts: 169Registered Users
    juanab wrote: »
    I only see it as discrimination if certain other non traditional hairstyles for allowed and those are not.



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  • coracora Posts: 456Registered Users
    I find Hampton's stance on locs and braids on men distasteful. If a predominently white school had made this judgement everyone and their mama would be slamming them--including professors from Hampton. I think the business school can lecture the students on what they think will hurt them when job searching, but to assume that students are so childlike that they can't make informed decisions about their futures is a little scary.
  • GreatcurlsGreatcurls Posts: 1,784Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    juanab wrote: »
    FAMU SBI Guidelines

    For Forum attendance the dress code states "no braids or dreads"

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    Forum is one class that SBI students take and it has it's own culture so to speak. The requirements for forum only apply to the MBA students, not those getting a BS or BA in business because the 4 year students don't take forum.

    I know that's what the website states but I've seen guys with locs attend forum without any consequence. The only requirement/adjustment they are told to make is they must be pulled back and be neat. I wonder if they are making a distinction between manicured/groomed locs and the more free form unmanicured locs...because I have seen SBI male and female students with those kind of locs told point blank that they have to go. But those with manicured locs ate told to pull them back into a bun or the like.


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    When I was overseas for my work, there were male clients/colleagues with locs. Their locs were small, and were worn back in a pony tail (past mid-back to waist-length with an accessory the same color of the hair that was equal to or less than the width of the style...) or left hanging, if they were shoulder length. If they were left hanging, the individual locs were a 'square cut at the bottom or all the same length...'

    One could tell that the men took great care in maintaining their locs.

    I saw an old business card of one client when he was an intern. His hair was in locs then, and was shoulder length at that time.

    When a few of them would come to the states and work, at first they would get "quick" stares, but were quickly accepted due to their competence and professionalism.
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  • soleilmoncursoleilmoncur Posts: 1,194Registered Users
    Greatcurls wrote: »
    juanab wrote: »
    FAMU SBI Guidelines

    For Forum attendance the dress code states "no braids or dreads"

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    Forum is one class that SBI students take and it has it's own culture so to speak. The requirements for forum only apply to the MBA students, not those getting a BS or BA in business because the 4 year students don't take forum.

    I know that's what the website states but I've seen guys with locs attend forum without any consequence. The only requirement/adjustment they are told to make is they must be pulled back and be neat. I wonder if they are making a distinction between manicured/groomed locs and the more free form unmanicured locs...because I have seen SBI male and female students with those kind of locs told point blank that they have to go. But those with manicured locs ate told to pull them back into a bun or the like.


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    When I was overseas for my work, there were male clients/colleagues with locs. Their locs were small, and were worn back in a pony tail (past mid-back to waist-length with an accessory the same color of the hair that was equal to or less than the width of the style...) or left hanging, if they were shoulder length. If they were left hanging, the individual locs were a 'square cut at the bottom or all the same length...'

    One could tell that the men took great care in maintaining their locs.

    I saw an old business card of one client when he was an intern. His hair was in locs then, and was shoulder length at that time.

    When a few of them would come to the states and work, at first they would get "quick" stares, but were quickly accepted due to their competence and professionalism.

    This. While everywhere in the world has some kind of rules when it comes to professionalism I find that America is very strict and rigid. I've seen black men working at the corporate offices in Paris with locs and TONS of women wearing nose studs to work. In service jobs visible tattoos and piercings are acceptable, and even in teaching jobs you are allowed to wear them as long as they aren't gaudy and conspicuous. I asked the mom I live with to explain why this is so and she was shocked as if she never even considered that it was "unprofessional". If you're neat and clean who cares?

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