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Sikh shooting in Wisconson

SpringcurlSpringcurl Posts: 8,002Registered Users
How awful. The killer was a right wing white supremacist, former army soldier and had a record.

Sikh temple shooting: Wisconsin gunman had a record - latimes.com
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  • CGNYCCGNYC Posts: 4,937Registered Users
    I was just listening to a story about this on NPR. So very sad.
  • SpringcurlSpringcurl Posts: 8,002Registered Users
    Do we have shooter fatigue or do people care less for some reason? Are we getting desensitized? I was pretty surprised that there wasn't already a post on this.
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  • JosephineJosephine Posts: 14,175Registered Users
    Yea I heard about this over the weekend. Apparently some mosques have been attacked too. I think two of them.
  • eche428eche428 Posts: 2,782Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    Springcurl wrote: »
    Do we have shooter fatigue or do people care less for some reason? Are we getting desensitized? I was pretty surprised that there wasn't already a post on this.

    Personally, it's just too much. I'm at the end of rope with humanity (hyperbole of course!) and ever since the Sikh Temple shooting hit the airwaves I've had to take a break from the news. My heart hurts for the human race and I'm starting to wonder if we'll ever grow up as a species or if it'll take a major world wide catastrophey for us to change. <<< See, I need a break. :-(
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  • LadyV69LadyV69 Posts: 3,397Registered Users
    I heard about it the other day too, but like Eche, I'm pretty disgusted with the human race right now and it's just too much to deal with. Plus the fact that a lot of areas in our country have lax guns laws doesn't help matters and makes me feel even more frustrated. It's not a popular opinion but I feel it's time for the 2nd Amendment to be repealed. I'm sorry but when it was added to the Constitution in 1790, the Founding Fathers could not have envisioned assault rifles or the Internet being invented where people can obtain them and other kinds of guns so easily. That amendment was written in a time when most of the country was rural and it was felt that the populace should have the right to be armed to defend against wild and potentially dangerous animals like bears. That is not the case now when many people either live in urban or surbuban areas with little in the way of wildlife. How many more lives have to be needlessy lost because of an amendment that has outlived its usefulness? I know nothing will be done about it in the near future because the damn NRA is one of the most powerful lobbies in the country, but how much more of this can we stand? Sorry for the rant, but I really can't deal.
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  • coilynappcoilynapp Posts: 4,233Registered Users
    Springcurl wrote: »
    Do we have shooter fatigue or do people care less for some reason? Are we getting desensitized? I was pretty surprised that there wasn't already a post on this.
    I heard about this on Sunday.

    This is just so sad. Just all the shooting and other attacks...sigh. Where is humanity heading?
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  • AmnerisAmneris Posts: 15,117Registered Users
    Springcurl wrote: »
    Do we have shooter fatigue or do people care less for some reason? Are we getting desensitized? I was pretty surprised that there wasn't already a post on this.

    I think some people are stupid enough to think that the victims were brown people / terrorists /foreigners and the shooter had an understandable reason in thinking they were terrorists.

    What angers me most: when a shooter is white, people make excuses for them and/or portray them as an extremist and an exception to the norm. When a shooter is a person of colour, they represent their entire community so that it's justifiable to be suspicious of them and racially profile them, and people ask what's wrong with Islam or what's the problem in the Black community. Where is the profiling of angry/unbalanced white men or the questioning as to why there are so many of them?

    People are worrying about whether they are safe from brown people. But are WE safe from angry white men?
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  • rouquinnerouquinne Posts: 13,498Registered Users Curl Dabbler
    Amneris wrote: »
    Where is the profiling of angry/unbalanced white men or the questioning as to why there are so many of them?

    People are worrying about whether they are safe from brown people. But are WE safe from angry white men?

    this - exactly this!!!!
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  • coilynappcoilynapp Posts: 4,233Registered Users
    rouquinne wrote: »
    Amneris wrote: »
    Where is the profiling of angry/unbalanced white men or the questioning as to why there are so many of them?

    People are worrying about whether they are safe from brown people. But are WE safe from angry white men?

    this - exactly this!!!!
    THIS X2!!!!!!!!!!
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  • ss40ss40 Posts: 1,790Registered Users
    I don't understand why we get all concerned with warning signs. "What signs did we miss?" Was the person insane, mentally ill?

    The way I see it, if you looked sane when you purchased the murder weapon then you should be tried without the insanity option both by the court of public opinion & the justice system.

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  • spiderlashes5000spiderlashes5000 Posts: 17,495Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    ss40 wrote: »
    I don't understand why we get all concerned with warning signs. "What signs did we miss?" Was the person insane, mentally ill?

    The way I see it, if you looked sane when you purchased the murder weapon then you should be tried without the insanity option both by the court of public opinion & the justice system.

    I'm cashing out

    :shock:

    Maybe bc the person could have been treated or at least confined and the attacks prevented??

  • ss40ss40 Posts: 1,790Registered Users
    ss40 wrote: »
    I don't understand why we get all concerned with warning signs. "What signs did we miss?" Was the person insane, mentally ill?

    The way I see it, if you looked sane when you purchased the murder weapon then you should be tried without the insanity option both by the court of public opinion & the justice system.

    I'm cashing out

    :shock:

    Maybe bc the person could have been treated or at least confined and the attacks prevented??

    Not this guy. There was no preventing this.

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  • DevushkaDevushka Posts: 1,080Registered Users
    Springcurl wrote: »
    Do we have shooter fatigue or do people care less for some reason? Are we getting desensitized? I was pretty surprised that there wasn't already a post on this.

    I agree that lots of people are reacting to the frustration of overload. -->The movie theatre shooting, this shooting at the Sikh Temple, the guy who shot Gabby Giffords and the other people in Arizona is back in the news, plus of course other reported shootings..

    I have to add something that I think the mayor of Philadelphia recently said -- "I'm fine with your 2nd Amendment rights, but I'm also concerned about my 1st Amendment right not to get shot." (Or something pretty close to that)
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  • spiderlashes5000spiderlashes5000 Posts: 17,495Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    ss40 wrote: »
    ss40 wrote: »
    I don't understand why we get all concerned with warning signs. "What signs did we miss?" Was the person insane, mentally ill?

    The way I see it, if you looked sane when you purchased the murder weapon then you should be tried without the insanity option both by the court of public opinion & the justice system.

    I'm cashing out

    :shock:

    Maybe bc the person could have been treated or at least confined and the attacks prevented??

    Not this guy. There was no preventing this.

    I'm cashing out

    Oh, OK. I'm glad that's settled.:glasses11:

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  • coilynappcoilynapp Posts: 4,233Registered Users
    Here in Seattle were on gun shooting overload. They've been so many shootings in just the past month alone. Really scary stuff.
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  • SpringcurlSpringcurl Posts: 8,002Registered Users
    ss40 wrote: »
    ss40 wrote: »
    I don't understand why we get all concerned with warning signs. "What signs did we miss?" Was the person insane, mentally ill?

    The way I see it, if you looked sane when you purchased the murder weapon then you should be tried without the insanity option both by the court of public opinion & the justice system.

    I'm cashing out

    :shock:

    Maybe bc the person could have been treated or at least confined and the attacks prevented??

    Not this guy. There was no preventing this.

    I'm cashing out

    My understanding is this guy was on some watch lists that marked him as a neo-nazi. I wouldn't be so black-and-white about whether this could have been prevented.
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  • ss40ss40 Posts: 1,790Registered Users
    Springcurl wrote: »
    ss40 wrote: »

    :shock:

    Maybe bc the person could have been treated or at least confined and the attacks prevented??

    Not this guy. There was no preventing this.

    I'm cashing out

    My understanding is this guy was on some watch lists that marked him as a neo-nazi. I wouldn't be so black-and-white about whether this could have been prevented.

    It was said by the organization profiling him. He said there is a tiny group of ppl who will act on their racist feelings.

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  • SpringcurlSpringcurl Posts: 8,002Registered Users
    ss40 wrote: »
    Springcurl wrote: »
    ss40 wrote: »

    Not this guy. There was no preventing this.

    I'm cashing out

    My understanding is this guy was on some watch lists that marked him as a neo-nazi. I wouldn't be so black-and-white about whether this could have been prevented.

    It was said by the organization profiling him. He said there is a tiny group of ppl who will act on their racist feelings.

    I'm cashing out

    Yes, I know. But as I said, it's not so black and white as to whether or not this could have been prevented.
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  • ss40ss40 Posts: 1,790Registered Users
    Springcurl wrote: »
    ss40 wrote: »
    Springcurl wrote: »

    My understanding is this guy was on some watch lists that marked him as a neo-nazi. I wouldn't be so black-and-white about whether this could have been prevented.

    It was said by the organization profiling him. He said there is a tiny group of ppl who will act on their racist feelings.

    I'm cashing out

    Yes, I know. But as I said, it's not so black and white as to whether or not this could have been prevented.

    I'm curious. What do you suppose could have been done to prevent this man from committing this particular crime?

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  • SpringcurlSpringcurl Posts: 8,002Registered Users
    ss40 wrote: »
    Springcurl wrote: »
    ss40 wrote: »

    It was said by the organization profiling him. He said there is a tiny group of ppl who will act on their racist feelings.

    I'm cashing out

    Yes, I know. But as I said, it's not so black and white as to whether or not this could have been prevented.

    I'm curious. What do you suppose could have been done to prevent this man from committing this particular crime?

    I'm cashing out


    You are mistaking me. There MAY have been nothing that could have been done. But there also may HAVE been something. I'm merely commenting on your "case closed" kind of statement that nothing could have been done.
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  • AmnerisAmneris Posts: 15,117Registered Users
    ss40 wrote: »
    Springcurl wrote: »
    ss40 wrote: »

    It was said by the organization profiling him. He said there is a tiny group of ppl who will act on their racist feelings.

    I'm cashing out

    Yes, I know. But as I said, it's not so black and white as to whether or not this could have been prevented.

    I'm cashing out

    I have several ideas:

    1) Severely restrict access to firearms for him and others - if not for everyone, at least for people like him

    2) Designate him a dangerous offender at risk to re-offend, and get a court order that he has to report in weekly as to whether he is in therapy, subject him to weapons checks, etc.

    3) Profile, track and highly scrutinize the activities of white supremacist groups
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  • ss40ss40 Posts: 1,790Registered Users
    I agree these things can be done. I don't think they could have been done, maybe #2 but I doubt it because he lived in Wisconsin.
    Profiling is already used unfairly against African Americans & minorities. I would prefer to decrease profiling altogether. Its not right.

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  • AmnerisAmneris Posts: 15,117Registered Users
    ss40 wrote: »
    I agree these things can be done. I don't think they could have been done, maybe #2 but I doubt it because he lived in Wisconsin.
    Profiling is already used unfairly against African Americans & minorities. I would prefer to decrease profiling altogether. Its not right.

    I'm cashing out

    Profiling is OK if done properly. When done against minorities just because they are minorities, that's not right. When done against dangerous groups known to sometimes spark violence where the issue is membership in the group and not personal attributes people can't change, I have absolutely no issues with it - that's how it SHOULD be used. And which would you rather - profiling that could actually save lives, or throwing up your hands and saying there's nothing you can do?
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  • The New BlackThe New Black Posts: 16,738Registered Users
    I dont get it. Sigh...
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  • NarniaNarnia Posts: 1,770Registered Users
    I can't link the image for some reason, but has anyone seen the picture with the stats for gun use:
    Last year gun use killed
    48 people in Japan
    8 people in Great Britain
    34 in Switzerland
    52 in Canada
    58 in Israel
    21 in Sweden
    42 in West Germany
    10,728 in the US

    Then it has a picture of a gun with the American flag painted on it. I think those numbers, or even similar numbers speak volumes about the gun laws in America. Scary stuff.

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  • MoppyTMoppyT Posts: 998Registered Users
    I keep reading articles that say things like, "well sikhs are easily mistaken for muslims, so..."

    Like it's okay to shoot Muslims?! The hell?
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  • itsKelCeeEeeitsKelCeeEee Posts: 1,084Registered Users
    MoppyT wrote: »
    I keep reading articles that say things like, "well sikhs are easily mistaken for muslims, so..."

    Like it's okay to shoot Muslims?! The hell?

    RIGHT??!?!?! Victim blaming is like this country's past time.


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  • ss40ss40 Posts: 1,790Registered Users
    MoppyT wrote: »
    I keep reading articles that say things like, "well sikhs are easily mistaken for muslims, so..."

    Like it's okay to shoot Muslims?! The hell?

    I caught that too. Its offensive Especially during Ramadan.

    I knew someone in high school who is sikh. He was the nicest kid ever. They strike me as very pleasant people. I can't imagine why anyone would target them. But since 9/11 its happened a lot. It shows the level of ignorance that exists when it comes to religion.
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