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What could be causing my recent hair breakage?

The New BlackThe New Black Posts: 16,742Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
Ugh! So I think my hair has been breaking lately. When I pull it back the top looks frizzy. I've figured out I can get my ponytails fairly smooth by detangling my hair and pulling it back directly under the shower stream. But that isn't working anymore.

I've made a few changes to my routine. Which of these do you think could be causing the breakage:
*Bentonite clay mask (w/ACV) for 30-60 mins...I've only done this 2 times, one week apart
*Clarify with baking soda in diluted shampoo (Motions), weekly
*Ponytail rollersets, also done twice

I'd gotten into the habit of deep conditioning, but I haven't done that lately besides the bentonite. So I KNOW I need to start doing that again.
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  • CerendipityCerendipity Posts: 5,091Registered Users Curl Novice
    why do you clarify weekly?
  • The New BlackThe New Black Posts: 16,742Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    Because I never used to clarify at all. And I realized I had a lot of buildup. I use a lot of product still, so I'm just trying to keep my scalp/hair clean now. Is weekly too often?
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  • CerendipityCerendipity Posts: 5,091Registered Users Curl Novice
    What kind of products are you using that's so heavy that you need to do it weekly?

    do you style your hair daily , or are you styling weekly and moisturizing everyday? Even if youre moisturizing every day, you shouldnt have that much buildup that you need to clarify weekly? Maybe cut it to biweekly?

    I use a lot of butter products and I only clarify monthly, I do wash weekly but its either a regular shampoo bar, cleansing conditioner , or cowash.
  • The New BlackThe New Black Posts: 16,742Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    Yeah, I style daily or almost daily. I generally use Suave Naturals coconut as a co-wash, detangler and styler. It used to be great for WnGs. But now that my hair is longer and bigger, I don't like the Suave as much. I need/want something that defines my curls better and de-volumizes it. I don't like my hair when it's too big.

    When I wear my hair pulled back I used EcoStyler olive oil to keep the top in place. Sometimes I rake the gel throughout my entire head. That gives great definition, but it also
    a) takes too long
    b) makes me rip my hair out as I rake it through
    c) takes forever to dry
    d) makes my hair crunchy


    I guess I don't technically do much that's specifically for moisturizing. Hmmm...I just recently started sealing my ends with castor oil.
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    "Hope the Mail are saving space tomorrow for Samantha Brick's reaction piece on the reactions to her piece about the reactions to her piece." ~ Tweet reposted by Rou.
  • Chicago KinksChicago Kinks Posts: 2,748Registered Users Curl Novice
    Sounds like you need to use a moisturizer either via a leave in or a hair milk.

    Have you tried the prayer method when putting gel in your hair? I don't rake because I was pulling my hair out...with the prayer method my curls are weighed down, I'm getting the roots and ends evenly and I'm not losing a bunch of hair. The trick is to make sure to use a slippery leave in, Tresseme Naturals is great, cheap and moisturizing.

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  • The New BlackThe New Black Posts: 16,742Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    Hmm...the prayer method. I'd never heard of it but just looked it up. I'll try that. Thanks, everyone, for the recs!!
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    "Hope the Mail are saving space tomorrow for Samantha Brick's reaction piece on the reactions to her piece about the reactions to her piece." ~ Tweet reposted by Rou.
  • coilynappcoilynapp Posts: 4,233Registered Users
    WHOA Phoenix!!!!!

    Baking soda AND shampoo? ACV? All of that is super drying. Bentonite itself is clarifying and not moisturizing. I think you are doing too much drying to your hair and not enough moisturizing.

    You need to cut back on that and start using more moisturizing products. If your hair is brittle and dry it will break.
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  • CerendipityCerendipity Posts: 5,091Registered Users Curl Novice
    and that gel has protein in it\

    it always breaks the back of my hair off and the very front if im not too careful
  • Kinky DayShaKinky DaySha Posts: 528Registered Users
    IMO, if you aren't using products with silicones and petroleum/mineral oil, even once a month should be adequate. Also, if you are dcing, you need a really moisturizing dc to balance all the stripping you're doing.
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  • The New BlackThe New Black Posts: 16,742Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    This is all food for thought. Thanks! I got some Tresemme Nat. I'll cut down on the clarifying and step up the moisture. Glad I asked!
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  • adthomasadthomas Posts: 5,525Registered Users
    I have noticed that when older people get mad they want to pull that "little girl" card. Don't think you can just say whatever you want to me and I am going to go along with it because I'm young. I don't care about you calling "little girl" because that just makes you look immature when I haven't called you anything. But if I were you "old a$$ mare" your feelings would be hurt.
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  • Parissy198907Parissy198907 Posts: 479Registered Users
    ^^^ are you in the right thread?
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  • The New BlackThe New Black Posts: 16,742Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    LOL...ok yeah she is in the wrong thread. But I was just thinking about the same topic today, which is a very weird coincidence.
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    "Hope the Mail are saving space tomorrow for Samantha Brick's reaction piece on the reactions to her piece about the reactions to her piece." ~ Tweet reposted by Rou.
  • BlackAngelPlayahBlackAngelPlayah Posts: 1,419Registered Users
    adthomas wrote: »
    I have noticed that when older people get mad they want to pull that "little girl" card. Don't think you can just say whatever you want to me and I am going to go along with it because I'm young. I don't care about you calling "little girl" because that just makes you look immature when I haven't called you anything. But if I were you "old a$$ mare" your feelings would be hurt.

    Girl, wrong door! LoL!


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  • adthomasadthomas Posts: 5,525Registered Users
    adthomas wrote: »
    I have noticed that when older people get mad they want to pull that "little girl" card. Don't think you can just say whatever you want to me and I am going to go along with it because I'm young. I don't care about you calling "little girl" because that just makes you look immature when I haven't called you anything. But if I were you "old a$$ mare" your feelings would be hurt.

    Girl, wrong door! LoL!


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    Oh Lord. That man made me so mad I'm up here venting in the wrong thread. LOL.


    But I did want to say I have to clarify ever week. No cones but I use a lot of leave in, heavy oils, gels. My hair is quick to get greasy and my hair won't absorb well if it is not clean so using a shampoo with cocomidropropyl (sp?) betaine works well. I actually like my hair to feel slightly stripped because my dcs do much better. I am probably going to add another midweek shampoo but one that is gentler. I think if you have buildup problem then doing all that extra stuff every week seems like overkill. I used baking soda on my hair once or twice and both times it was a dryness disaster. I told myself never again.
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  • coilynappcoilynapp Posts: 4,233Registered Users
    ^^^yea, a regular shampoo will work. I also think a regular non SLS shampoo will work to remove cones and styling polymers (I haven't tested this because I don't use cones). You just need to use a good shampoo.

    I use a non sls shampoo once a week. Baking soda works well too (1tablespoon only in 1 litre of water)--I have never had dryness from baking soda. I just use a conditioner afterwards. I haven't done it in a while because I mostly use my shampoo during wash days.
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  • The New BlackThe New Black Posts: 16,742Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    Man, natural hair care is getting so complicated. For me anyway...
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    I am the new Black.

    "Hope the Mail are saving space tomorrow for Samantha Brick's reaction piece on the reactions to her piece about the reactions to her piece." ~ Tweet reposted by Rou.
  • coilynappcoilynapp Posts: 4,233Registered Users
    Man, natural hair care is getting so complicated. For me anyway...
    It doesn't have to become complicated :(

    my routine isn't anyway. Goodluck on turning your hair around :)
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  • The New BlackThe New Black Posts: 16,742Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    So...Ive been reading a bit about hair and pH. I didn't realize how alkaline baking soda is and how bad that is for the hair! Ugh... that would account for some of the damage I did. I'm getting a hair cut tomorrow. Maybe that'll help.
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    I am the new Black.

    "Hope the Mail are saving space tomorrow for Samantha Brick's reaction piece on the reactions to her piece about the reactions to her piece." ~ Tweet reposted by Rou.
  • coilynappcoilynapp Posts: 4,233Registered Users
    How much baking soda were you using at once?
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  • The New BlackThe New Black Posts: 16,742Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    coilynapp wrote: »
    How much baking soda were you using at once?

    A couple TBS in about 1 cup water with maybe 2 TBS shampoo...the first time

    The second time I just dumped a bunch of baking soda in some water and added a few squirts of shampoo
    montage-3.gif No MAS.

    I am the new Black.

    "Hope the Mail are saving space tomorrow for Samantha Brick's reaction piece on the reactions to her piece about the reactions to her piece." ~ Tweet reposted by Rou.
  • coilynappcoilynapp Posts: 4,233Registered Users
    holy crap Phoenix. Geez. Where you trying to rip your hair out your head?! good god. that is doing waaaayyy too much.

    Baking soda can be used in moderation without any ill effects. I haven't had a problem but I only use 1 tbsp in 1 litre of water. No shampoo. I don't use baking soda much anymore. I do use it to clean my hair and scalp when I'm in braids/twists with extensions.

    Baking soda is about the same pH as soap.
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  • The New BlackThe New Black Posts: 16,742Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    Hee! Yeah, I realize now how dumb that was. lol
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    I am the new Black.

    "Hope the Mail are saving space tomorrow for Samantha Brick's reaction piece on the reactions to her piece about the reactions to her piece." ~ Tweet reposted by Rou.
  • coilynappcoilynapp Posts: 4,233Registered Users
    I hope your hair recovers well. Just moisture moisture moisture until it gets better.
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  • adthomasadthomas Posts: 5,525Registered Users
    coilynapp wrote: »
    How much baking soda were you using at once?

    A couple TBS in about 1 cup water with maybe 2 TBS shampoo...the first time

    The second time I just dumped a bunch of baking soda in some water and added a few squirts of shampoo

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  • The New BlackThe New Black Posts: 16,742Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    lol
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    I am the new Black.

    "Hope the Mail are saving space tomorrow for Samantha Brick's reaction piece on the reactions to her piece about the reactions to her piece." ~ Tweet reposted by Rou.
  • Parissy198907Parissy198907 Posts: 479Registered Users
    I've been following this thread since you first started but held back on giving advice since i agreed with most of the other posters.


    Has the advice helped? Is your hair retaining moisture?
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  • The New BlackThe New Black Posts: 16,742Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    Yes, I think so! Thanks for asking! I've been spraying my hair with aloe vera juice and my hair seems to stay moisturized. Obviously, cutting out the baking soda and over-clarifying is helping. But I think it'll take a little longer for me to really see how my hair is improving.

    I got my hair cut on Saturday by Cyrel at Liquid Salon. Despite how raggedy I think my hair is, he seemed to think it's very strong. He thinned it so I'm still pulling furballs outta my hair. It might be a pain to grow out. We'll see... I might get it cut again actually. I had Cyrel bob it a little, asymmetrically. I didn't want to lose too much length at the time, but looking at it now it's not really the kind of cut you can do only half*ss. So I might go to another [read: cheaper] salon and have them do it right. I'd really like to get a cute bob.
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    "Hope the Mail are saving space tomorrow for Samantha Brick's reaction piece on the reactions to her piece about the reactions to her piece." ~ Tweet reposted by Rou.

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