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  • rouquinnerouquinne Posts: 13,499Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    so what?

    are you trying to start some kind of religious war here? we have enough of those...
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  • spiderlashes5000spiderlashes5000 Posts: 17,495Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    Very tacky.

    I could imagine the outcry if a poitician here desecrated the Torah, etc.

    I lump people who deride others' religious beliefs or deface others' religious objects in the same category w/ all the other bigots.

  • BlackbanjogirlBlackbanjogirl Banned Posts: 227Banned Users
    rouquinne wrote: »
    so what?

    are you trying to start some kind of religious war here? we have enough of those...

    What's your problem? I'm posting an article to get opinions like people do here all the time. I'm not trying to start any war. If you don't have something nice to say... As a Christian, I'm offended by your "So what?" How would you like it if I said the same flip reply to an issue that concerned you? YOU'RE the only one trying to start probs so bug off.
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  • BlackbanjogirlBlackbanjogirl Banned Posts: 227Banned Users
    Very tacky.

    I could imagine the outcry if a poitician here desecrated the Torah, etc.

    I lump people who deride others' religious beliefs or deface others' religious objects in the same category w/ all the other bigots.

    Yeah, I remember when some southern preacher burned a Quran, or was going to, and got death threats and media attention for weeks. I was appalled at that action as I am at this, but strangely not surprised that this is hardly a blip on the radar, at least so far. I hope the offender here at least gets removed from office.
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  • rouquinnerouquinne Posts: 13,499Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    the incident happened in a country founded on different principles from those of your country; a country with no "bill of rights" guaranteeing religious freedom.

    and the christian group in question was proselytizing to an orthodox member of parliament - hardly an action that would meet with a different response.

    so yes, i think you ARE trying to incite some kind of anti-Jewish sentiment...
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  • BlackbanjogirlBlackbanjogirl Banned Posts: 227Banned Users
    rouquinne wrote: »
    the incident happened in a country founded on different principles from those of your country; a country with no "bill of rights" guaranteeing religious freedom.

    and the christian group in question was proselytizing to an orthodox member of parliament - hardly an action that would meet with a different response.

    so yes, i think you ARE trying to incite some kind of anti-Jewish sentiment...

    Really? OK. Lol. :happy5: You are so wrong, and obviously trying to start a feud which I will not partake in. Glad you think a Christian has no right to be offended over the destruction of her Holy Book.... Please don't respond back 'cause I get what you're all about and not havin it.

    Also just to say this has nothing to do with Israel or Israel versus the U.S. or the religion of this man. I'm of a minority group, a minority race, so I'm very sensitive to prejudice and don't do well with your crazy allegations or, like I said, your offensive statement to me. That's how it is and again I'd appreciate it if you don't respond to me again if you can't be at least somewhat reasonable.
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  • claudine19claudine19 Posts: 4,486Registered Users
    This is a very touchy subject, and since we're not allowed to speak freely on the site anymore, I think that the post is asking for trouble.

    I would go to a site about old v. new testament faiths if I was genuinely looking for a discussion.

    Others here will probably feel differently, but I wouldn't touch this one with a ten foot pole.
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  • SpringcurlSpringcurl Posts: 8,002Registered Users
    If he were given the bible as a gift or an exchange than I'd say it was a rude and tacky thing to do. According to the article he was given the bible by missionaries. A Christian missionary's job is to convert people to Christianity. So they were either (1) actually trying to convert someone lives in Israel, is Jewish and has a very strong sense of his own faith or (2) being downright insulting.

    Although in my opinion 1 and 2 are the same.
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  • spiderlashes5000spiderlashes5000 Posts: 17,495Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    Springcurl wrote: »
    If he were given the bible as a gift or an exchange than I'd say it was a rude and tacky thing to do. According to the article he was given the bible by missionaries. A Christian missionary's job is to convert people to Christianity. So they were either (1) actually trying to convert someone lives in Israel, is Jewish and has a very strong sense of his own faith or (2) being downright insulting.

    Although in my opinion 1 and 2 are the same.

    But why not just respectfully rufuse the gift/decline the conversion/address the snub?

    Why pose for pictures and make a spectacle desecrating a religious text?

    What if someone sends him an invitation to attend a service at their church? Should he go to the chuch building and throw rocks at it...bc it was "insulting?"

  • JosephineJosephine Posts: 14,175Registered Users
    rouquinne wrote: »
    the incident happened in a country founded on different principles from those of your country; a country with no "bill of rights" guaranteeing religious freedom.

    and the christian group in question was proselytizing to an orthodox member of parliament - hardly an action that would meet with a different response.

    so yes, i think you ARE trying to incite some kind of anti-Jewish sentiment...

    Wow, I do not understand where you are coming from at all unless you think this is just about jews.

    I don't care if the person is jewish, muslim, male, female, black, white, etc. The fact that someone tore up a holy book that was sent to him and then proudly posed for pictures is beyond tacky and very disrespectful.
  • SpringcurlSpringcurl Posts: 8,002Registered Users
    Springcurl wrote: »
    If he were given the bible as a gift or an exchange than I'd say it was a rude and tacky thing to do. According to the article he was given the bible by missionaries. A Christian missionary's job is to convert people to Christianity. So they were either (1) actually trying to convert someone lives in Israel, is Jewish and has a very strong sense of his own faith or (2) being downright insulting.

    Although in my opinion 1 and 2 are the same.

    But why not just respectfully rufuse the gift/decline the conversion/address the snub?

    Why pose for pictures and make a spectacle desecrating a religious text?

    What if someone sends him an invitation to attend a service at their church? Should he go to the chuch building and throw rocks at it...bc it was "insulting?"
    I can't speak for him, but if I had to guess it would be because he was insulted that they were trying to convert him. Doesn't seem like
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  • SpringcurlSpringcurl Posts: 8,002Registered Users
    Ugh my phone won't let me edit. Doesn't seem like they were giving him a gift so much as trying to prosthletize. (spelling bad)
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  • *Marah**Marah* Posts: 8,032Registered Users
    I'm not surprised by Ben-Ari's reactions. Religious Jews often get super ticked about this sort of thing. It's a whole history behind this that is deep rooted and a sore spot. And I really don't expect non-Jews and in some sense non-religious Jews to fully understand how some Jews take the idea of sending them a NT. Particularly.. sending it to an Israeli Orthodox Jew.

    Furthermore, I find it extremely difficult to believe that the person that sent the NT to him didn't know any of this...before hand. I believe it was done to incite rage.
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  • spiderlashes5000spiderlashes5000 Posts: 17,495Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    Springcurl wrote: »
    Ugh my phone won't let me edit. Doesn't seem like they were giving him a gift so much as trying to prosthletize. (spelling bad)

    In ancient Judaism, desecrrating the sabbath and other things holy was like damn near a capital offense. And the desecration of Jewish synoguages during "Kristalnacht" is what officially began the Holocaust.

    I find it very hard to believe he didn't think descreating a Christian religious item wouldn't incite an uproar.

    Gift or no gift, desecrating someone's religious objects is a serious offense and is generally recognized as such.

    So he's asking for trouble (esp considering all the support Israel receives from the US).

    Just a ahole move all around.

  • TrenellTrenell Posts: 3,562Registered Users
    I think he could have handled it better. But I feel the missionaries were dead a$$ wrong. They knew what they were doing. It would be like sending 20 lbs of veal to a vegan.
  • AmnerisAmneris Posts: 15,117Registered Users

    I think BOTH parties are in the wrong. Christian missionaries were disrespectful to send this man a NT knowing his beliefs, and he was disrespectful to address it this way. I think he absolutely could have called the missionaries out on this behaviour, but without ripping up a holy book of another faith. However, because it was provoked, I don't see this reaction as being the same as the burning of the Qu'ran, which was not provoked and was in itself an inflammatory action.

    I don't believe the Bible is responsible for the suffering of Jews. It is the actions of human beings using the Bible as an excuse/reason that did that - and did that for many other groups of people, including Jews, and many groups that are Christians today and read the Bible.

    It appals me that Christian groups today still actively try to convert people of other faiths - have we learned nothing? That is just wrong. And given the recent history of the Jewish people, it should be obvious that that would be an unwelcome and offensive act. I have no time for Christians like that.

    I also don't see anything wrong with this as a discussion topic.
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  • CurlyCutie1394CurlyCutie1394 Posts: 348Registered Users
    He an extremist
  • NetGNetG Posts: 8,116Registered Users
    Springcurl wrote: »
    If he were given the bible as a gift or an exchange than I'd say it was a rude and tacky thing to do. According to the article he was given the bible by missionaries. A Christian missionary's job is to convert people to Christianity. So they were either (1) actually trying to convert someone lives in Israel, is Jewish and has a very strong sense of his own faith or (2) being downright insulting.

    Although in my opinion 1 and 2 are the same.

    But why not just respectfully rufuse the gift/decline the conversion/address the snub?

    Why pose for pictures and make a spectacle desecrating a religious text?

    What if someone sends him an invitation to attend a service at their church? Should he go to the chuch building and throw rocks at it...bc it was "insulting?"
    *Marah* wrote: »
    I'm not surprised by Ben-Ari's reactions. Religious Jews often get super ticked about this sort of thing. It's a whole history behind this that is deep rooted and a sore spot. And I really don't expect non-Jews and in some sense non-religious Jews to fully understand how some Jews take the idea of sending them a NT. Particularly.. sending it to an Israeli Orthodox Jew.

    Furthermore, I find it extremely difficult to believe that the person that sent the NT to him didn't know any of this...before hand. I believe it was done to incite rage.

    SC and Marah both put it well. And I think Amneris' post is 100% correct.

    If being black were something you could convert from and white people in the US were trying to convert black people telling them that being white is better... I think it would be the same feeling of insult. Certainly to me being Christian is simply not an option because of my beliefs, but if you're Orthodox, living in a country founded after the near-annihilation of your people, with an attempt to eradicate your religion as a significant even leading to it? And you're less than 100 years from those times? Yeah, it's going to be way beyond simply "insulting."

    That said, I do think it was the incorrect reaction. While I think of the New Testament as a work of fiction personally, I would not show the disrespect to all followers of the religion he did. I just don't think it compares to attacking a religion in the same way Quran burnings do because of the personal insult which instigated it. It was still an incorrect behavior, though.
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  • poisonivypoisonivy Posts: 1,551Registered Users
    Amneris wrote: »

    I think BOTH parties are in the wrong. Christian missionaries were disrespectful to send this man a NT knowing his beliefs, and he was disrespectful to address it this way. I think he absolutely could have called the missionaries out on this behaviour, but without ripping up a holy book of another faith. However, because it was provoked, I don't see this reaction as being the same as the burning of the Qu'ran, which was not provoked and was in itself an inflammatory action.

    I don't believe the Bible is responsible for the suffering of Jews. It is the actions of human beings using the Bible as an excuse/reason that did that - and did that for many other groups of people, including Jews, and many groups that are Christians today and read the Bible.

    It appals me that Christian groups today still actively try to convert people of other faiths - have we learned nothing? That is just wrong. And given the recent history of the Jewish people, it should be obvious that that would be an unwelcome and offensive act. I have no time for Christians like that.

    I also don't see anything wrong with this as a discussion topic.

    It appals you? A Christian's duty is to spread the good news of Jesus Christ. He commanded his apostles to go forth and preach to all nations. What your saying is anti-biblical.

    I wouldn't even tear up a Watchtower if it was given to me for show the way this guy did. He was obviously looking to start trouble. Maybe the missionary group was too but his reaction is over the top. Destroying the Holy Book is a serious offense, in ANY religion!
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  • SpringcurlSpringcurl Posts: 8,002Registered Users
    Springcurl wrote: »
    Ugh my phone won't let me edit. Doesn't seem like they were giving him a gift so much as trying to prosthletize. (spelling bad)

    In ancient Judaism, desecrrating the sabbath and other things holy was like damn near a capital offense. And the desecration of Jewish synoguages during "Kristalnacht" is what officially began the Holocaust.

    I find it very hard to believe he didn't think descreating a Christian religious item wouldn't incite an uproar.

    Gift or no gift, desecrating someone's religious objects is a serious offense and is generally recognized as such.

    So he's asking for trouble (esp considering all the support Israel receives from the US).

    Just a ahole move all around.

    I'm not defending him. I simply think everyone was an a-hole.
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  • irociroc Posts: 7,890Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    I feel that ...

    Destroying a holy book of any religion is incredibly disrespectful.

    There is no concrete reason for him to be sent a New Testament Bible.

    I don't think 'spreading the word of God' should be taken so literally. People have access to information. Don't hide your Christianity, and interested people will come to you. Stay out of everyone else's face.


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  • curlypearlcurlypearl Posts: 11,970Registered Users Curl Novice
    A sort of OT observation:

    I often think religion is just another way humans have of saying "I'm better than you." We have to deal with cancer, famine, hurricanes, etc., but instead of focusing our energies on those sorts of catastrophes, we make monstrous problems out of race, religion, nationality etc. It's beyond stupid and sickening.
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  • AmnerisAmneris Posts: 15,117Registered Users
    poisonivy wrote: »
    Amneris wrote: »

    I think BOTH parties are in the wrong. Christian missionaries were disrespectful to send this man a NT knowing his beliefs, and he was disrespectful to address it this way. I think he absolutely could have called the missionaries out on this behaviour, but without ripping up a holy book of another faith. However, because it was provoked, I don't see this reaction as being the same as the burning of the Qu'ran, which was not provoked and was in itself an inflammatory action.

    I don't believe the Bible is responsible for the suffering of Jews. It is the actions of human beings using the Bible as an excuse/reason that did that - and did that for many other groups of people, including Jews, and many groups that are Christians today and read the Bible.

    It appals me that Christian groups today still actively try to convert people of other faiths - have we learned nothing? That is just wrong. And given the recent history of the Jewish people, it should be obvious that that would be an unwelcome and offensive act. I have no time for Christians like that.

    I also don't see anything wrong with this as a discussion topic.

    It appals you? A Christian's duty is to spread the good news of Jesus Christ. He commanded his apostles to go forth and preach to all nations. What your saying is anti-biblical.

    I wouldn't even tear up a Watchtower if it was given to me for show the way this guy did. He was obviously looking to start trouble. Maybe the missionary group was too but his reaction is over the top. Destroying the Holy Book is a serious offense, in ANY religion!

    Poisonivy, spreading the good news of Christ can be done in many ways. Sending Bibles to committed Orthodox Jews still living with the trauma of the Holocaust is not doing that, in my opinion.

    St. Francis of Assissi said "preach the gospel at all times, and use words when necessary." Christians can and should show the love of Christ to others in our compassion, love and care for all people regardless of their beliefs, and in respecting their dignity wherever they may be in life. That doesn't mean you force Bibles on people or make them feel uncomfortable or talk at them about your beliefs or what they should or shouldn't believe.

    I think that many Christians sorely misunderstand this point and therefore their actions are contrary to what they are trying to accomplish. The bad press that Christians got from this story isn't likely to bring many people to Christ.
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  • *Marah**Marah* Posts: 8,032Registered Users
    I personally don't see what Amneris said as anti-Biblical. Perhaps what she posted doesn't jive with certain people's brand of Christianity but it doesn't make her thoughts anti-Biblical. It's about perspective..people interpret "the Bible" in different ways in Christianity.

    Furthermore, Jesus said this:

    Luke 9:5 "And as for those who do not receive you, as you go out from that city, shake the dust off your feet as a testimony against them.

    Jews (and Orthodox Jews have really made this clear) have LONG stated that they do not accept the gospel of Christianity. This is no secret..it's a well known fact. In Israel proselytizing is not tolerated which again is no secret to missionaries. So if a Christian really wants to follow "the Bible" they certainly wouldn't send an NT to Israel for an Orthodox Jew...they'd leave them alone unless of course they simply wanted to do something to incite a problem.

    According to the Apostle Paul (from which Christianity is most based):
    Rom 11:25-29:
    I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers, so that you may not be conceited: Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentiles has come in. And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written: "The deliverer will come from Zion; he will turn godlessness away from Jacob. And this is my covenant with them when I take away their sins." As far as the gospel is concerned, they are enemies on your account; but as far as election is concerned, They are loved on account of the patriarchs, for God's gifts and his call are irrevocable.

    So clearly.. according to the Christian Bible they shouldn't be ignorant of the mystery about Israel (Jacob) because they are elected and loved on the account of Abraham, Issac, and Jacob (the patriarchs) and their place nor gifts will not be taken away. And any person trying to "preach the gospel" probably has come across this once or twice when reading their NT. So going forth and preaching to all nations (which if the NT is to believed was done by the Apostles and disciples) is really moot when it comes to Israel.
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  • AmnerisAmneris Posts: 15,117Registered Users
    *Marah* wrote: »
    I personally don't see what Amneris said as anti-Biblical. Perhaps what she posted doesn't jive with certain people's brand of Christianity but it doesn't make her thoughts anti-Biblical. It's about perspective..people interpret "the Bible" in different ways in Christianity.

    Furthermore, Jesus said this:

    Luke 9:5 "And as for those who do not receive you, as you go out from that city, shake the dust off your feet as a testimony against them.

    Jews (and Orthodox Jews have really made this clear) have LONG stated that they do not accept the gospel of Christianity. This is no secret..it's a well known fact. In Israel proselytizing is not tolerated which again is no secret to missionaries. So if a Christian really wants to follow "the Bible" they certainly wouldn't send an NT to Israel for an Orthodox Jew...they'd leave them alone unless of course they simply wanted to do something to incite a problem.

    According to the Apostle Paul (from which Christianity is most based):
    Rom 11:25-29:
    I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers, so that you may not be conceited: Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentiles has come in. And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written: "The deliverer will come from Zion; he will turn godlessness away from Jacob. And this is my covenant with them when I take away their sins." As far as the gospel is concerned, they are enemies on your account; but as far as election is concerned, They are loved on account of the patriarchs, for God's gifts and his call are irrevocable.

    So clearly.. according to the Christian Bible they shouldn't be ignorant of the mystery about Israel (Jacob) because they are elected and loved on the account of Abraham, Issac, and Jacob (the patriarchs) and their place nor gifts will not be taken away. And any person trying to "preach the gospel" probably has come across this once or twice when reading their NT. So going forth and preaching to all nations (which if the NT is to believed was done by the Apostles and disciples) is really moot when it comes to Israel.

    Interesting perspective, Marah. I actually know some Christians (very fundamentalist/conservative in most ways) who have said something similar about proselytizing in Israel.
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  • spiderlashes5000spiderlashes5000 Posts: 17,495Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    NetG wrote: »
    Springcurl wrote: »
    If he were given the bible as a gift or an exchange than I'd say it was a rude and tacky thing to do. According to the article he was given the bible by missionaries. A Christian missionary's job is to convert people to Christianity. So they were either (1) actually trying to convert someone lives in Israel, is Jewish and has a very strong sense of his own faith or (2) being downright insulting.

    Although in my opinion 1 and 2 are the same.

    But why not just respectfully rufuse the gift/decline the conversion/address the snub?

    Why pose for pictures and make a spectacle desecrating a religious text?

    What if someone sends him an invitation to attend a service at their church? Should he go to the chuch building and throw rocks at it...bc it was "insulting?"
    *Marah* wrote: »
    I'm not surprised by Ben-Ari's reactions. Religious Jews often get super ticked about this sort of thing. It's a whole history behind this that is deep rooted and a sore spot. And I really don't expect non-Jews and in some sense non-religious Jews to fully understand how some Jews take the idea of sending them a NT. Particularly.. sending it to an Israeli Orthodox Jew.

    Furthermore, I find it extremely difficult to believe that the person that sent the NT to him didn't know any of this...before hand. I believe it was done to incite rage.

    SC and Marah both put it well. And I think Amneris' post is 100% correct.

    If being black were something you could convert from and white people in the US were trying to convert black people telling them that being white is better... I think it would be the same feeling of insult. Certainly to me being Christian is simply not an option because of my beliefs, but if you're Orthodox, living in a country founded after the near-annihilation of your people, with an attempt to eradicate your religion as a significant even leading to it? And you're less than 100 years from those times? Yeah, it's going to be way beyond simply "insulting."

    You act like that is some far-fetched hypotheticality. White people constantly tell Black people White is better...so much so, they have us halfway believing it.

    I'm familiar w/ the practice...believe me. (But it's still a bad analogy bc "race" really can't be changed so anyone who is trying to convince me of the inferiority of mine is doing it out of hate and/or a desire to oppress me.

    Converting to Christianity, on the other hand, while obviously a stupid and inconsiderate thing to do in this case, is usually well intentioned, as the converter believes it is the only way to heaven....and wants the person to go to heaven.)

    But anyway, people do try to convert me to all kinds of different things, incl. different religions. Who hasn't been targeted by Jehova's Witnesses, Mormons, Hare Krshnas, etc? You politely decline and keep it moving. You don't try to inflame the person by destroying his/her literature and calling a press conference.

    Second, the man lives in Israel! The site of religious-based wars for ten thousand years!!! It's not like he's never seen a Bible before. And it's not like he doesn't understand the religious/political climate. He's probably seen members of his own family get their heads blown off for walking down the wrong street or...or just existing. Probably knows a bunch of folks in the Israeli Army who's blown a few heads off, too. Maybe he has, himself, since they all have to serve in the Army. Seeing a Bible really shouldn't be that big of a deal, in the scope of things.

    Third, we don't know how the guy got the Bible. His flunkie said <surprise surprise> it was sent to him by a missionary. We don't know that; it wasn't confirmed. Maybe the politician is just an asz who wanted to start a bunch of commotion.

  • theliothelio Posts: 5,374Registered Users
    I just got 3 things to say, then I'm out!

    1. the lawmaker handled it wrong, but it was even worst on the part of the missionary to send him the book in th efirst part. it was just rude! if he wanted a bible, I'm sure he could had found one.

    2. No one should force their own beliefs down someone's throat. I know it "says so it the Bible", but please stop! I know where to find a church if I want to go.

    3. So much more I could add, but I will stifle myself and go get some ice cream instead. Its a hot day.
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