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Confused about using coconut oil despite posts here...

MyrnaMyrna Posts: 2,332Registered Users Curl Neophyte
So: are you using it BEFORE you shampoo, then shampoo, then condition; or, are you using it some other way? and what, exactly, does it do?

I dont know if anyone else remembers Breck creme rinse, but it had "the secret of coconut oil". I think it was Breck, but if I cant remember, it must be my age...

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  • curry curlscurry curls Posts: 970Registered Users Curl Dabbler
    For me, I'm using coconut oil for a scalp condition. I put it on my scalp and hair and sleep in it. I can easily co-wash it out. I am not a shampoo girl. I have also used it for scrunching out the crunch. :)
    Started CG July 8, 2008 :)


    3[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

    Co-wash: Trader Joe's Tea Tree Tingle or Trader Joe's Nourish Spa
    Rinse out: Ion Effective Care Treatment
    Leave-in/Styling: Alba Botanica leave in with Kenra Moisturizing Conditioner :love2: on top
  • DevushkaDevushka Posts: 1,080Registered Users
    At this point I use it primarily as a pre-poo, but from time to time I also oil rinse with, and have used it as a sealer (on wet hair, and even on dry hair after a really light application of a water-based LI).

    If I remember the articles I read about it, coconut oil really penetrates the hair shaft so well because of the size of its molecules or something. I just know from experience that coconut oil doesn't just sit ON my hair like other oils I've tried (but then again I haven't tried that many different oils). It really does seem to sink in.
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]3b / Fine / Low (to Med) Density / Normal Porosity & Elasticity
    Currently Using [*Holy Grails*]
    Cleansers: DC No-Poo / DC Low-Poo / *BaSo & ACV*
    Co-Washes/ROs: CJ Beauticurls Argan & OO / DC OneC / Organicals DC Creme
    Additives: *Silk Amino Acids* / Honeyquat / Fragrance Oils
    LIs (found some!): KCKT / CJ Beauticurls LI / CJ Curl Assurance Smoothing Daily Condish
    DTs: *Coconut Oil* rinses / *Honey*, EVOO, & DC OneC / CJ Curl Rehab
    Sealer: *DM Super Buttercreme*
    Goal: APL Hair
  • Jas76Jas76 Posts: 2,283Registered Users
    I use it MANY ways -
    As I pre-poo, like you described, sometimes even overnight before a wash.

    Sometimes in the winter I'll put a little on my ends and underneath to help keep my hair from drying out overnight.

    I add it to DT's sometimes, and always to PT's. (it helps prevent protein loss.)

    I sometimes add a bit to my LI - it helps with clumping. (more often in the winter.)

    I'll use a small amount for smoothing frizz sometimes on dry hair.

    I'll sometimes mix it with some LOOB for a refresher.

    It's very versatile! It's also great for skin!!
    2c/3a/3b, Fine/med, Dense, high porous, & normal elas.

    Lo-poo - Renpure Keratin, SMR, Giovanni SaS
    clarifying - mix Johnson's H2T with low poo
    Co-wash - Suave Nats. clar. or coco.
    RO - GVPCB, Ion Eff. Care, TN.
    LI - SMR, Cure Care, or RO
    Seal - MO or Jojoba
    DT - + honey, ACV, & EVOO to SM masque & GVPCB
    PT - Gelatin!, CNPF
    Styling - FSG, AIF, BRHG, LALS/PS, GF curl spray gel, SM Souffle/Smoothie, LOOB
    Oils - MO!, EVOO, jojoba, GSO, SM Elixer, EVCO, VO5 Hairdressing
  • MyrnaMyrna Posts: 2,332Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    So if you use it to seal, you use it AFTER you condition? and how much do you use? and is there a diff between the refined and unrefined stuff?
  • DevushkaDevushka Posts: 1,080Registered Users
    Myrna wrote: »
    So if you use it to seal, you use it AFTER you condition? and how much do you use? and is there a diff between the refined and unrefined stuff?

    I guess people experiment to decide the order that works best for them, but for me, when I use coconut oil to seal, I apply it after my LI (i.e. after wash/co-wash; RO, and LI).

    The difference that I know of is that refined coconut oil doesn't have the coconut scent (it's just odorless). Not sure if there's any other big difference. I like the scent of coconut, but I like using refined coconut oil so that I can sometimes add different fragrances to it.
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]3b / Fine / Low (to Med) Density / Normal Porosity & Elasticity
    Currently Using [*Holy Grails*]
    Cleansers: DC No-Poo / DC Low-Poo / *BaSo & ACV*
    Co-Washes/ROs: CJ Beauticurls Argan & OO / DC OneC / Organicals DC Creme
    Additives: *Silk Amino Acids* / Honeyquat / Fragrance Oils
    LIs (found some!): KCKT / CJ Beauticurls LI / CJ Curl Assurance Smoothing Daily Condish
    DTs: *Coconut Oil* rinses / *Honey*, EVOO, & DC OneC / CJ Curl Rehab
    Sealer: *DM Super Buttercreme*
    Goal: APL Hair
  • lcl0706lcl0706 Posts: 959Registered Users
    Refined has been processed, something to do with being able to cook with it better... that's about all I know. I picked up some unrefined yesterday. I love the smell of coconut. Tried to do a pre-poo with it but was so scared of oil I barely used any at all and didn't notice a bit of difference.

    I added 3 drops of it to the FSG I made yesterday, that's a separate post though lol. Off topic!
    :wave: fine, thin, normal/(low?) porosity. Mod-CG. Usually I can't co-wash more than 1x a week, & sometimes I have to use T-Gel in rotation due to scalp issues.

    Co-wash: VO5 Volumizing
    Poo: Giovanni 50:50
    RO:TN, Nexxus Youth Renewal, Alba Coconut
    LI: KCKT
    PT: gelatin PT, ION EC
    Stylers: Giovanni mousse, TIGI Curls Rock amplifier (a-cone), Curls Rock Strong Hold Mousse
    Gels: SCC spray gel

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  • wavymomwavymom Posts: 292Registered Users
    I love coconut oil. I usually use it as a pre-poo / DT. I smear some through dry hair until it's nice and oily looking, then wait a couple of hours (or even overnight), then shower and use a low-poo followed by conditioner and then regular styling. It is a really nice hit of moisture for my hair without overconditioning it or leaving it feeling gunky. The excess washes away easily from my hair. Coconut oil can penetrate the hair shaft rather than just sitting on top of it.

    Because it is absorbed into the hair, I have heard it's not that great of a sealer, b/c it soaks into your hair during the day. (Sealers are typically supposed to provide a barrier between your LI and your stylers, but if your oil is soaking into your hair, that 'barrier' won't be there once it does.) It is still worth trying though, you never know what will or won't work for you until you try. ;)

    lcl - no big difference is good, right?! As in, at least it wasn't hard for you to remove from you hair. Next time try more and let us know what happens. :)
  • MyrnaMyrna Posts: 2,332Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    I dont want to get stuck with a honkin' big jar of another product, if it doesnt work. I dont see coconut oil in small jars, they are BIG.
  • RimiRimi Posts: 2,001Registered Users
    Myrna wrote: »
    I dont want to get stuck with a honkin' big jar of another product, if it doesnt work. I dont see coconut oil in small jars, they are BIG.

    It works great as a body oil if your hair doesn't like it!
    21 y/o lifelong natural {4a-O ; spongy ; coarse ; dense ; MBL stretched}

    products {'poo: TJTTT shampoo | RO: TJTTT Condish | LI/style: TJTTT Condish, homemade cocoa butter cream | DC: condish + ayurvedic powder(s), Aussie 3MMM Treatment | PT: condish + NPF | oils: castor oil, grapeseed oil | other treatments: probiotics, tea rinses, AVG rinse/spritz, oil rinse | sealing method: LC sometimes O}

    long-term: HL stretched, BSL unstretched

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  • MyrnaMyrna Posts: 2,332Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    I cant stand anything oily on my body. Ok, I'm weird.

    : )
  • DevushkaDevushka Posts: 1,080Registered Users
    There reportedly are health benefits to coconut oil (There's a guy on Youtube with lots of videos espousing its health benefits). If you get it and it doesn't work for you, you can use it in recipes.
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]3b / Fine / Low (to Med) Density / Normal Porosity & Elasticity
    Currently Using [*Holy Grails*]
    Cleansers: DC No-Poo / DC Low-Poo / *BaSo & ACV*
    Co-Washes/ROs: CJ Beauticurls Argan & OO / DC OneC / Organicals DC Creme
    Additives: *Silk Amino Acids* / Honeyquat / Fragrance Oils
    LIs (found some!): KCKT / CJ Beauticurls LI / CJ Curl Assurance Smoothing Daily Condish
    DTs: *Coconut Oil* rinses / *Honey*, EVOO, & DC OneC / CJ Curl Rehab
    Sealer: *DM Super Buttercreme*
    Goal: APL Hair
  • princesspieprincesspie Posts: 94Registered Users
    Yep... I use one or two drops as a sealant as well (after my LI). I also rub a few drops on my scalp before I wash my hair if my scalp is really dry.
    Hair Type: Fine, 3a
    Cond/LI: MOP Mixed Greens
    Styler: IGA Gel
    Oil: Coconut
    Overall: Just likes a bit of TLC

    :love5:

  • MyrnaMyrna Posts: 2,332Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    Going to Whole Foods today and will look for it.
  • Lucky CharmLucky Charm Posts: 1,250Registered Users
    I use it to pre-poo, or pre-cowash for that matter. I find it is great at helping me detangle before I step in the shower. I've also done overnight treatments and added a blob to my rinse out. My hair does well with oils and butters though, I know not everyone is the same way. As always, its YMMV!
    - 2C - Coarse Canopy & med/fine underlayers
    - MOP C Hydrating 'poo
    - LOreal Natures Therapy Moisturizing condish, ION Effective Care, Garnier S&S (old formula)
    - treatments: CJ Curl Rehab, CJ Repair Me!
    - plopping, diffusing, and clipping the roots
  • 2b or not 2b2b or not 2b Posts: 15Registered Users
    Myrna wrote: »
    Going to Whole Foods today and will look for it.
    Come for a nice half hour ride north and I'll hook you up with a bit of it! We use it for all sorts of things at our house.

    As a lotion, it really doesnt get all that greasy. well, it goes on a bit greasy but doesnt stay that way for long at all. I mix it with shea butter for my daughter's eczema ridden skin and I use it as a face cream too. Add a lil zinc oxide and you've got sunscreen... okay, now I'm sounding a lil too hippee to not actually live in Madison;)

    But seriously, if you dont want a ton, let me know and I could even send you a lil container of it or something.
  • MyrnaMyrna Posts: 2,332Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    oh, Thanks, Vicki, that is so nice of you to offer. As you may see from another post, I am just undecided - you'd think it was a major purchase, like a car! I may take you up on your offer!
  • 2b or not 2b2b or not 2b Posts: 15Registered Users
    Myrna wrote: »
    oh, Thanks, Vicki, that is so nice of you to offer. As you may see from another post, I am just undecided - you'd think it was a major purchase, like a car! I may take you up on your offer!


    maybe you should consult a therapist about this giant purchase;) oh wait!
    or maybe an investment banker...

    you do sound like you might have quite a stash of products though so i can totally see your point.
    you could probalby order a small container online otherwise. similar prices in my experience. I like the Now brand. its food grade (and smells so yummy) so you'd be able to find a use for it somewhere. or I've seen inexpensive yet raved about Coconut oil on amazon...tropical traditions maybe? they seem to have deals on it once in a while even.
  • MyrnaMyrna Posts: 2,332Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    Wait! I AM a therapist!
  • 2b or not 2b2b or not 2b Posts: 15Registered Users
    Myrna wrote: »
    Wait! I AM a therapist!


    I know:) ...that's the only reason I "attempted" written humor/sarcasm.




    I hope you do try coconut oil though. I would say since you're a mousse user rather than gel, I'm guessing you might feel like its weighing your hair down if you use it without rinsing it out though. try an overnight treatment and then wash in the morning as usual.

    A friend of mine from Hawaii told me about it a while back and apparently its just another thing everyone does there for moisture and shine.
  • MyrnaMyrna Posts: 2,332Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    I was thinking of trying just a very small amount on my hair after I condition..when my hair is still really wet. I know it is used in the tropics, and I think it is used by Indian woman (in India) as well.
  • earthnutearthnut Posts: 226Registered Users
    Coconut oil is very penetrating in hair, it's one of the most penetrating in fact. It penetrates well because it's made of mostly short, straight saturated fats. Refined coconut oil is similar to virgin, but odorless. Fractionated coconut oil has had the less saturated and longer fatty acids taken out, leaving only the two shortest saturated fats. The virgin and refined oils are 50% lauric acid, and the fractionated oil is 90% caprylic acid. Your hair may prefer one over the others.

    Because it's very penetrating, I find it more useful as a deep conditioning treatment or before conditioning, rather than as a leave-in. It may make your hair feel gunky or stiff if you put it over a certain other products, because it won't be able to penetrate as well. However many people like it as a leave in, it depends on your hair type and the other products you use.

    For a gloss, I prefer a less penetrating liquid oil, like olive oil.

    Coconut oil binds to protein in the hair, slowing protein loss. Some people sensitive to protein may not like it. None of the oils actually contain protein though.

    Because of the protein retentive properties, these oils are excellent as a pre-treatment before bleaching and other chemical treatments. They protect the hair and don't interfere with results.

    For more about coconut oil in the hair, see ktani's blog: /home/leaving?target=http%3A%2F%2Fktanihairsense.blogspot.com%2Fsearch%2Flabel%2Fcoconut%2520oil" class="Popup

    Coconut oil is not good for the skin if you're prone to acne, because it's comedogenic. Otherwise it can have the same protective properties for the skin as it does for the hair.

    It's great as a cooking oil. The virgin oil has a nice nutty flavor and raises HDL. All kinds are also good for the digestion because the short fatty acids have antimicrobial properties.

    It's also good as an ointment for cuts to prevent infection.

    It's also great as a diaper rash cream. The antimicrobial properties treat the rash and it won't ruin cloth diapers like many commercial diaper rash creams can.

    Babassu & palm kernel oil have similar fatty acid profiles and can be used as substitutes.

    The wikipedia article on coconut oil is a good overview of the non hair uses.

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    2c (3a potential?), M, ii, porous, good elasticity, APL, dark brown with a silver lining.
    Love coconut oil, olive oil, and Everyday Shea!
    HGs are simple, natural, and destroy frizzzz!!