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GreatcurlsGreatcurls Posts: 1,782Registered Users
Actually, it was a relaxer being used as a texturizer.

In a nutshell, a co-worker, whose hair is natural shrinks at least up to 75% of its length, was ready to relax her shoulder length hair that same evening because of the shrinkage. After much discussion, I convinced her to get a texturizer and that I could apply it.

Before I did, I read the section in Lonnice Bonner's book, Good Hair, to make sure I did it correctly. I bought a relaxer and placed it on her hair. I talked to her while we waited, for about 20 minutes altogether (from applying-7 minutes to waiting). I think her hair may be low-porosity.

After shampooing and DC, her hair looked less frizzy and her curls (4b-4c--I still think it's curly!) were elongated. But, it still looked the same. A leave-in styling cream was placed on it, and after it was dry, her hair looked natural with elongation (wash-n-go).

Hopefully, as her hair grows the weight will lengthen her hair. It's interesting though: her hair grows quickly at slightly more than 1/2 inch per month and shrinks about 75-85% of its length. My hair grows slowly (less than 1/2 inch/month) and shrinks about 50% of its length.

I felt funny about doing it. But I looked at it as a transition because once she understood about hair length and the weight of the hair as it gets longer, she seemed to accept her natural hair. Perhaps she's on the road to being truly natural.

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  • knt1229knt1229 Posts: 93Registered Users
    You left relaxer on her head for 20 minutes. Did I read that part right?

    Not sure what you are really asking, but, if she or you wanted it to be straighter you should have used the back of a comb to smooth the hair after you applied the relaxer.
  • AmberBrownAmberBrown Posts: 1,072Registered Users
    No way would I apply a chemical to any part of another person's body. I don't need the melodrama if something happens to go wrong. I won't flatiron/hot comb anyone else's hair either. Blow drying is the most I'm willing to do as far as hair appliances go. Oh, I'll braid, twist and roller set, but you can't really mess those things up. My own mama once burned a section of my hair when flat ironing it for my 8th grade graduation. My 14 year old self was pizzed as heck at my own blood mother lol, if it had been some strange chick at the job? Couldn't have ended well lol. You're braver than me OP.

    Those are my only thoughts.
  • lexielexlexielex Posts: 10Registered Users
    Wouldn't she have to transition again?
  • GreatcurlsGreatcurls Posts: 1,782Registered Users
    knt1229 wrote: »
    You left relaxer on her head for 20 minutes. Did I read that part right?

    Not sure what you are really asking, but, if she or you wanted it to be straighter you should have used the back of a comb to smooth the hair after you applied the relaxer.

    You're correct--the relaxer was on for a total of 20 minutes; this includes placing the relaxer on each section. Once the relaxer was on the entire head, that was approx. 12-13 minutes. That's why I wrote I think she may have low porosity because after the hair was shampooed and conditioned--it still basically looked the same.

    I didn't use a comb when the relaxer was applied, so that's probably why her hair did not get straight. In fact, the purpose was not to get it straight or even wavy--just get elongation.
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  • GreatcurlsGreatcurls Posts: 1,782Registered Users
    lexielex wrote: »
    Wouldn't she have to transition again?

    Yes, she would but at least (I hope) she will have the length and like her hair completely natural. By that time, due to her fast hair growth, she will have waist length hair and not be bothered by the shrinkage as much as she does now with shoulder length hair.
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  • GreatcurlsGreatcurls Posts: 1,782Registered Users
    AmberBrown wrote: »
    No way would I apply a chemical to any part of another person's body. I don't need the melodrama if something happens to go wrong. I won't flatiron/hot comb anyone else's hair either. Blow drying is the most I'm willing to do as far as hair appliances go. Oh, I'll braid, twist and roller set, but you can't really mess those things up. My own mama once burned a section of my hair when flat ironing it for my 8th grade graduation. My 14 year old self was pizzed as heck at my own blood mother lol, if it had been some strange chick at the job? Couldn't have ended well lol. You're braver than me OP.

    Those are my only thoughts.

    I appreciate your thoughts, AmberBrown.
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  • adthomasadthomas Posts: 5,525Registered Users
    Uh. I dont understand this story. Can you explain please? How is giving someone a relaxer a transition? And how does a relaxer make her accept her natural hair? As her hair grows she is more likely to dislike her natural hair because she will have two textures which is a HUGE challenge. and at the demarcation point it will be prone to breakage and tangling. Is she going to do retouches? Maybe she will just prefer texturized hair.
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  • ttlollattlolla Posts: 948Registered Users
    What is the OP talking about ? It makes no sense .
  • KeenyliciousKeenylicious Posts: 2,320Registered Users
    so... you're saying you think she'll be happy with her new growth once it grows out b/c the texlaxed hair will be weighing it down?

    i honestly don't see this plan working. for one, not everyone's hair gets weighed down w/ length. mine sure hasn't. what if it grows out and a few months from now it's a few ins of puffy, frizzy hair, and some elongated curls at the end? i would've ust let her do what she wanted in the first place.
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  • WumiWumi Posts: 185Registered Users
    Yea... This maybe wasn't a friendly thing to do. Her hair may look the same to you but give it a good 3 months before the roots start snapping and breaking and the ends are visibly thin. By the way getting a texturizer didnt help me love my natural hair, I had to transition from that for a year and I only have myself to blame. I would be pretty salty if a friend had done that to me... Maybe not even want to talk to them.
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  • HomeGrownHairGirlHomeGrownHairGirl Posts: 296Registered Users
    I don't have any thoughts except: What is the point of this thread?

    Lol, is it like to try shock people? Or is it a confession and repentance thing?:angel12:

    It is quite trollish (IMO) :alien:
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    I think this is an april fools joke in june :)

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  • afrosheenqueenafrosheenqueen Posts: 5,400Registered Users
    I felt funny about doing it. But I looked at it as a transition because once she understood about hair length and the weight of the hair as it gets longer, she seemed to accept her natural hair. Perhaps she's on the road to being truly natural.

    I read this as that now that she's gone through tex-laxing and seeing her hair look basically the same that she appreciates her natural hair more? That it really didn't need fixing? Not sure...
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  • CerendipityCerendipity Posts: 5,091Registered Users
    I don't have any thoughts except: What is the point of this thread?

    Lol, is it like to try shock people? Or is it a confession and repentance thing?:angel12:

    It is quite trollish (IMO) :alien:

    I dont get that at all

    I get she put a chemical on someone hair and now that it seems a little longer maybe the person will realize that with a little length they will be able to do more

    but thats my take. I detect nothing trollish at all.


    If someone asked me to put a chemical on their head I wouldnt do it because I dont know what Im doing , lol


    Maybe this should have been in the other forum, ( cant think of the name ) but then again maybe the OP wanted to know some thoughts
  • KeenyliciousKeenylicious Posts: 2,320Registered Users
    i don't think it's trollish either. i'm not sure what OP is asking for, though. it seems more like OP just wanted to share the story.
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  • adthomasadthomas Posts: 5,525Registered Users
    I dont get that at all

    I get she put a chemical on someone hair and now that it seems a little longer maybe the person will realize that with a little length they will be able to do more

    but thats my take. I detect nothing trollish at all.


    If someone asked me to put a chemical on their head I wouldnt do it because I dont know what Im doing , lol


    Maybe this should have been in the other forum, ( cant think of the name ) but then again maybe the OP wanted to know some thoughts

    If that is what she is saying then it still doesnt make sense to me. Like Keeny said length doesnt necessarily mean the lady is going to get a lot of weight to pull her chemical free hair down a least not any time soon. Im about four years in and i think im just getting to where i think if i were to let my hair dry unstretched I would still show decent length. Im willing to bet the lady if she gets that much shrinkage would have to grow her hair 4 times as long to get the same wash and go looking length she gets with texturizer which might add to her frustration. So no I dont think it will help her accept her natural hair. She may just end up someone who prefers texturizers.
    My take. And i dont think it is a troll either.
    Btw are texturizers supposed to be on for 20 min? That seems like a long time.
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    I think the OP wanted to share her experience and get others view points. Personally i wouldn't have given another person any chemical process to help them "accept" their natural hair texture. Also i do not feel that the OP was being trollish at all.

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  • GreatcurlsGreatcurls Posts: 1,782Registered Users
    Wow! After posting on NC for almost four years, I never thought I'd be called a troll!! (LOL!)

    To clarify, she (the lady whose hair I texturized) has never texlaxed. (I asked her after reading the posts here) Her hair used to be relaxed about 16-18 months ago .

    She hates the shrinkage and is impatient, so she blow dries her hair sometimes, bandS, etc. braid/twist to get length. Then when it rains, she sweats, 3rd day hair, or when it's humid, her hair shrinks and as she said, "all that work for nothing!"

    When her hair is soaking wet, it is a little bit longer than when it's dry--and that's the look she wants now.

    The idea of texturizering her hair came to me after I read Good Hair many years ago in which the author texturized her hair. She wrote: "Chemically texturized hair results when a mild relaxer product is combed through the hair and left on a few minutes so it can loosen but not straighten tightly curled coils.....The goal of texturizing is to achieve a slightly loosened kink or curl that isn't far removed from your virgin hair texture."--Page 98.

    Her coils took almost 20 minutes to loosen, but then I used a mild relaxer (as recommended in the book, Good Hair) instead of super like she used use to relax her hair. That's why I wrote earlier that I think her hair may be low porosity. Also, it didn't seem coarse to me.

    Overall, it turned out the way she wanted it--elongated. BTW, She understands what transitioning means since she did it with braids and blow drying until she cut off the last bit of relaxed hair.

    We did talk about the pros and cons of texturized hair versus natural hair. She did agree to have more patience with her hair and this time, not use heat or banding. I did recommend hairstyles that was conducive to her hair type and shrinkage, and she seemed to like those ideas. (She wore one of those styles as of this post) They mostly include part corn row/flat twists with the rest of her hair out as well as using some scarves.

    She still wants to do a WNG without the braids or twists, but now she's willing to wait until her her grows longer without using any kind of chemical.

    I'll keep everyone posted. Thanks for your comments.
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  • Ashkins1118Ashkins1118 Posts: 786Registered Users
    If she's happy with her results, that's positive, but as someone who was natural for 4 years, then texturized for one, now over 2 years from transitioning back to natural hair, I can say that it is likely that her styling will not be as easy as one may think.

    My texturized hair was ok the first month then got incredibly dry and matted, even with the whole protein moisture balance with dc's and treatments. I used a very mild relaxer for color treated hair, left on for 10 minutes over hair that was heavily coated with tons of Vaseline and olive oil, and it still changed dramatically.

    My curl pattern was all curls mixed with stringy pieces, wash n gos were impossible after the first month and my natural hair started growing back in. I lived in braid outs to get a somewhat decent looking style.

    Saying all that, I know everyone's hair is different, but a texturizer can be very high maintenance and cause incredible dryness even with the best precautions. I wish I would have waited, and put my hair in a bun for awhile outta my face instead of going the chemical route. There are ton of ways to stretch the hair, and keep it that was by preserving at night. Just wanted to give my texturizer experience, I hope everything works out for your friend.


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  • sleepymekosleepymeko Posts: 1,002Registered Users
    Wumi wrote: »
    Yea... This maybe wasn't a friendly thing to do. Her hair may look the same to you but give it a good 3 months before the roots start snapping and breaking and the ends are visibly thin. By the way getting a texturizer didnt help me love my natural hair, I had to transition from that for a year and I only have myself to blame. I would be pretty salty if a friend had done that to me... Maybe not even want to talk to them.

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  • sleepymekosleepymeko Posts: 1,002Registered Users
    Greatcurls wrote: »
    Wow! After posting on NC for almost four years, I never thought I'd be called a troll!! (LOL!)
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  • QtBoutiqueQtBoutique Posts: 121Registered Users
    Greatcurls wrote: »
    Actually, it was a relaxer being used as a texturizer.

    In a nutshell, a co-worker, whose hair is natural shrinks at least up to 75% of its length, was ready to relax her shoulder length hair that same evening because of the shrinkage. After much discussion, I convinced her to get a texturizer and that I could apply it.

    Before I did, I read the section in Lonnice Bonner's book, Good Hair, to make sure I did it correctly. I bought a relaxer and placed it on her hair. I talked to her while we waited, for about 20 minutes altogether (from applying-7 minutes to waiting). I think her hair may be low-porosity.

    After shampooing and DC, her hair looked less frizzy and her curls (4b-4c--I still think it's curly!) were elongated. But, it still looked the same. A leave-in styling cream was placed on it, and after it was dry, her hair looked natural with elongation (wash-n-go).

    Hopefully, as her hair grows the weight will lengthen her hair. It's interesting though: her hair grows quickly at slightly more than 1/2 inch per month and shrinks about 75-85% of its length. My hair grows slowly (less than 1/2 inch/month) and shrinks about 50% of its length.

    I felt funny about doing it. But I looked at it as a transition because once she understood about hair length and the weight of the hair as it gets longer, she seemed to accept her natural hair. Perhaps she's on the road to being truly natural.

    What are your thoughts?

    I'm going to echo some of the earlier comments and say I'm confused by this thread. I don't see how this is a transition for your coworker because now her hair is all chemically treated. And I also don't think this can really possibly serve as a lesson about increased weight with increased length because, her hair length hasn't increased, it's just hanging longer. I don't see how she can accept her natural hair through this experience because she's no longer natural, she's texlaxed.

    Also, you said her hair grows faster than average and it was only shoulder length when you relaxed it. I'm not sure if you meant shoulder length when stretched or shrunken, but if you meant stretched, I'm even more bothered by the fact that you relaxed it. That just shows that she hasn't been fully natural very long to begin with (I'm guessing somewhere around a year or so with her fast growth). If you wanted her to learn that length/weight comes with time, she should have actually put that time in. Impatience has caused many a natural to go back to the creamy crack and I feel like you enabled her to do so.

    I get that shrinkage is a b*tch but it's part of the game. If that's not something your coworker is willing to deal with, maybe natural hair isn't for her at all. But I think you may be in slight denial if you think her chemically altered hair will have any correlation to, and therefore help her love, her completely virgin hair.

    I hope this didn't come across mean or anything. Just sharing my thoughts.

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  • NinjaretteNinjarette Posts: 3,982Registered Users
    QtBoutique wrote: »
    I'm going to echo some of the earlier comments and say I'm confused by this thread. I don't see how this is a transition for your coworker because now her hair is all chemically treated. And I also don't think this can really possibly serve as a lesson about increased weight with increased length because, her hair length hasn't increased, it's just hanging longer. I don't see how she can accept her natural hair through this experience because she's no longer natural, she's texlaxed.

    Also, you said her hair grows faster than average and it was only shoulder length when you relaxed it. I'm not sure if you meant shoulder length when stretched or shrunken, but if you meant stretched, I'm even more bothered by the fact that you relaxed it. That just shows that she hasn't been fully natural very long to begin with (I'm guessing somewhere around a year or so with her fast growth). If you wanted her to learn that length/weight comes with time, she should have actually put that time in. Impatience has caused many a natural to go back to the creamy crack and I feel like you enabled her to do so.

    I get that shrinkage is a b*tch but it's part of the game. If that's not something your coworker is willing to deal with, maybe natural hair isn't for her at all. But I think you may be in slight denial if you think her chemically altered hair will have any correlation to, and therefore help her love, her completely virgin hair.

    I hope this didn't come across mean or anything. Just sharing my thoughts.

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  • LovemenappyLovemenappy Posts: 332Registered Users
    I agree with Cerendipity. Nothing about this was trollish. I mean honestly....


    ....and I get what the OP is saying in essence. Not everyone is "okay" with their natural hair due to various factors. Some might not want it to be kinky, some may not want it to shrink. Yes, her hair is technically chemically treated now but the appearance of her hair is still the same. It sounds like the OP is hopeful that maybe this will put her a tiny step forward in accepting and understanding her hair texture and hair pattern. I know a woman who had to consistenyl wear natural hair looking weaves and wigs that resembled her natural hair before she was "okay" with going natural. I know people who had to transition to relaxing to texlaxing slowly but surely before going ahead and going natural.


    Id honestly rather this woman have texlaxed hair, that makes her feel confident and that still resembles her natural hair pattern with only slight elongation, than her turning around and getting her hair relaxed completely. OR her being and staying completely natural, but because she doesn't understand her hair pattern ends up hating it because of the shrinkage and have low self esteem.This woman could have very well been on the brink of the latter but the former may make her still accepting of at least liking her hair pattern and possibly try being natural (happily) again. Also, personally, I find transitioning from texurized hair much more simple, than transitioning from relaxed hair...but that's another story.


    Not everyones hair journey is the same, and one thing I've learned over the years is just because someone elses journey isnt your own or you dont understand it doesn't make it cool to discredit it. I ended up accepting and loving my natural hair only AFTER I pressed the crap out of it. I suppose the OP just innocently wanted thoughts and opinions.....without her post being called trollish.
  • sleepymekosleepymeko Posts: 1,002Registered Users
    I agree with Cerendipity. Nothing about this was trollish. I mean honestly....


    ....and I get what the OP is saying in essence. Not everyone is "okay" with their natural hair due to various factors. Some might not want it to be kinky, some may not want it to shrink. Yes, her hair is technically chemically treated now but the appearance of her hair is still the same. It sounds like the OP is hopeful that maybe this will put her a tiny step forward in accepting and understanding her hair texture and hair pattern. I know a woman who had to consistenyl wear natural hair looking weaves and wigs that resembled her natural hair before she was "okay" with going natural. I know people who had to transition to relaxing to texlaxing slowly but surely before going ahead and going natural.


    Id honestly rather this woman have texlaxed hair, that makes her feel confident and that still resembles her natural hair pattern with only slight elongation, than her turning around and getting her hair relaxed completely. OR her being and staying completely natural, but because she doesn't understand her hair pattern ends up hating it because of the shrinkage and have low self esteem.This woman could have very well been on the brink of the latter but the former may make her still accepting of at least liking her hair pattern and possibly try being natural (happily) again. Also, personally, I find transitioning from texurized hair much more simple, than transitioning from relaxed hair...but that's another story.


    Not everyones hair journey is the same, and one thing I've learned over the years is just because someone elses journey isnt your own or you dont understand it doesn't make it cool to discredit it. I ended up accepting and loving my natural hair only AFTER I pressed the crap out of it. I suppose the OP just innocently wanted thoughts and opinions.....without her post being called trollish.

    Everyone here considers someone a troll if they make a comment or thread that is usually against popular opinion here.

    Anyway, I agree with you and I understand what the OP meant. Texturizing my hair DID make me love my hair because I realized that although my hair was chemically treated, it looked exactly the same with a little less shrinkage. In return, I learned to love my hair and did another BC because my hair eventually ended up damaged (not due to the texturizer, but for other reasons). But texturizing did make me realize that I loved and appreciated my hair when I did not before. If it takes someone two, three, four or seven BCs to get to that point, then who cares?

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  • adthomasadthomas Posts: 5,525Registered Users
    sleepymeko wrote: »
    Everyone here considers someone a troll if they make a comment or thread that is usually against popular opinion here.


    Is there a reason why you are speaking for Everyone on the board? As I recall one person made a comment about "trollish" and everyone else disagreed. I won't speak for everyone but I initially told the OP that I didn't understand her post and asked her to clarify. Then I told her I thought the woman might dislike her natural hair as the texturizer grew out because for many people including myself dealing with two textures is overwhelmingly difficult and perhaps she may be happier staying texlaxed. If she likes it, I love it.
    the OP asked for opinions so I don't think she expected everyone to form a chorus of agreement. CT is full of different people from different backgrounds with different personalities, different ways of expressing themselves and opinions. I for one enjoy and appreciate that. I think making sweeping generalizations that everyone is a certain way is judgemental which is what you're accusing the board members of being. I get the impression from a couple of your posts that you're carrying a grudge. I'm not sure what it is about but if you want to talk about it I suggest you go ahead and get it out.
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  • KeenyliciousKeenylicious Posts: 2,320Registered Users
    so far i've only seen one person call OP a troll, and maybe two ppl take issue with getting the texturizer at all. most ppl, including myself just didn't understand the logic behind OP's theory.

    everyone talks about how mean 4a posters are, but it seems like ppl just like to roll up in here, put words in folks' mouths, and then act all shocked and sad when they get called out.

    one person =/= everyone.
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  • ttlollattlolla Posts: 948Registered Users
    so far i've only seen one person call OP a troll, and maybe two ppl take issue with getting the texturizer at all. most ppl, including myself just didn't understand the logic behind OP's theory.

    everyone talks about how mean 4a posters are, but it seems like ppl just like to roll up in here, put words in folks' mouths, and then act all shocked and sad when they get called out.

    one person =/= everyone.

    ITA.
    I for one just didn't get the logic of the OPs post and I still don't. No need for anyone to create trouble where there isn't any.
  • Jo SomebodyJo Somebody Posts: 1,578Registered Users
    QtBoutique wrote: »
    I'm going to echo some of the earlier comments and say I'm confused by this thread. I don't see how this is a transition for your coworker because now her hair is all chemically treated. And I also don't think this can really possibly serve as a lesson about increased weight with increased length because, her hair length hasn't increased, it's just hanging longer. I don't see how she can accept her natural hair through this experience because she's no longer natural, she's texlaxed.

    Also, you said her hair grows faster than average and it was only shoulder length when you relaxed it. I'm not sure if you meant shoulder length when stretched or shrunken, but if you meant stretched, I'm even more bothered by the fact that you relaxed it. That just shows that she hasn't been fully natural very long to begin with (I'm guessing somewhere around a year or so with her fast growth). If you wanted her to learn that length/weight comes with time, she should have actually put that time in. Impatience has caused many a natural to go back to the creamy crack and I feel like you enabled her to do so.

    I get that shrinkage is a b*tch but it's part of the game. If that's not something your coworker is willing to deal with, maybe natural hair isn't for her at all. But I think you may be in slight denial if you think her chemically altered hair will have any correlation to, and therefore help her love, her completely virgin hair.

    I hope this didn't come across mean or anything. Just sharing my thoughts.

    Gotta say, I agree with all this.

    Re-reading the OP, there was no mention that the co-worker doesn't like her hair texture/curl pattern or its appearance. It sounds like she didn't like the way her hair acted. The fact that the hair still looks almost the same with the texlaxer seems irrelevant to me, because you will have changed the way her hair acts.

    So now she will get used to her treated hair and when her shrinkage prone natural hair grows back in, the same old problems will be there (problems she won't have learnt to deal with).
    Either that, or she is going to wait until her hair grows 'x' long where she will have to hope that the weight of it will defeat shrinkage and make it act the way her texlaxed hair acts, even though 'x'-long might need to be, what, mid-back length?
    Also, she now has the new issue of two textures to deal with (and trust me, even if they look the 'same' they will not be) and possibly the dryness/porosity issues chemical treatments tend to bring.

    I kinda get your theory and your happiness at saving her from the relaxer, and I'm happy that she's happy with the results so far, but someone who after one year (or whatever) of being natural is so frustrated by her hair that she was about to relax doesn't sound like someone who is going to be a long-term transitioner.
    I would have discussed anti-humectants, methods to keep hair stretched at night and the pros/cons of regularly wearing extensions since I would not put on someone's head what I wouldn't put on mine, but I guess everyone's different.
    My hair is in the 4s, low in porosity, high in density and coarse. :happy6:

    Love: QB - all of it, Bobeam - shampoo bars, Darcy's Botanicals - Pumpkin Seed Conditioner, Coconut Cupuacu Pomade, KBN - Shealoe Leave-in, Oyin - Juices & Berries, Kinky Curly - Knot Today, Ayurvedic treatments, my Denman and the cloud of kinky goodness on my head that I get to play with! :love8:
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