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Signature Textures Braid Made Curls

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Signature Texture Braid Made Curls ™
Read about it here.

I found this line online...some months ago. They hadn't officially launched, and I contacted them, asking that they participate as a vendor at the WNHS. I was SO intrigued by the products - not because I'm after curl definition, or "changing" my texture - but because of the claims that the products help stabilize porosity, which results in better moisture retention, and less breakage. Awesome concept.

They did participate as a vendor at the show, but they weren't listed on the exhibitor list. I accidentally stumbled across their table, as I was making my rounds. I was very excited. I HAD to try the products. There was no way I was leaving without a jar.

"Braid Made Curls- Heavy" was the product I decided to purchase. They make a few different creams, made for wash no gos, but the application process is a bit tedious...the cream has to be worked in...and worked in...and worked in...like 3 or 4 times. I don't have that much time. So, I knew I wasn't going to go that route. Also, the company claims the products help improve the texture of the hair over time.

I think they would have had much better success at the show, if they'd had some fully "done" heads, along with some application demos - done on a stage, where they could talk to customers, and introduce the concept. It would have made a world of difference.

The product isn't cheap (they sold it at the show for $25 a jar), and it's not like ANYTHING else I've ever used. There is a learning curve, but I think I'm going to like the product I chose.

There are a few YouTube video reviews, with mixed results. I must say, I think much of the not-so-good results are a result of...user error. Again, you must follow the instructions. If you're not going to do that...because it's too time consuming, or you just don't feel like "doin' all that", it's best to pass on this line, and stick to more run-of-the-mill products.

With the Braid Made Curls, you still have to smooth in the cream, but you don't have to do it multiple times. The product needs to be room temperature, and done in a "warmer" environment - not under the air conditioning. It's applied to clean, conditioned hair - with nothing underneath. So, don't go addin' leave-ins, and shea butter, and CIAB, and all that.

I called the company, to get even more detailed instructions. You need a spray bottle with a water/oil mix. They recommend grapeseed oil, but you can use another oil. I used EVOO, because I don't have any grapeseed oil. The water/oil mix helps to "work" the product into the hair. It's a thick, waxy, but creamy product.

So, I sectioned my hair, misted each section with the water/oil mix, and worked the cream into each section, starting from root to tip, smoothing it down the strands. I followed with a comb thru. You can't just "plop" it on the hair, and braid. It's not a "slippy" product, and it doesn't feel that great going into the hair, however it dries beautifully. I just finished braiding my hair, about 30 minutes ago, and my braids feel...amazing, soft and conditioned, with no stiff/crunchy ends. I didn't have to "oil" my ends. My roots feel fantastic. I would also recommend not being too heavy-handed with the product, and keeping the hair moist, as you work it in.

Oh, and for those of you who hate "scents"? This product smells like...nothing.

I'll take the braids down tomorrow and post a pic..I'll try to post a pic tomorrow. I think this will be a hit @ $35 a jar. Lol.

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  • CerendipityCerendipity Posts: 5,091Registered Users
    I cant wait to see the results because I think this lines concept is AMAZING

    I will attempt to use my product in the coming weeks for a WnG
  • NinjaretteNinjarette Posts: 3,982Registered Users
    I hope they come back next year.
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  • Chicago KinksChicago Kinks Posts: 2,747Registered Users
    I love the name, braid made curls.

    My daughter loves the Sebum Protection Kinky-Curly one. She is very active and hair is the last thing on her mind but I'm a stickler for neat hair...this stuff has helped us come to a happy median. She does her hair bi-weekly and her hair holds very well with minimal refreshing in between.
    Like Nea said, it is tedious but when done right the hair turns out nice with minimal frizz and a nice hold. I cannot say that it has changed her "texture", she has been using it since Feb.

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  • CerendipityCerendipity Posts: 5,091Registered Users
    I have to check which one I have, I think its the Kinky Curly. I was mad as heck when I tried it on my bang.

    I'm going to need one of you to do it for me * looks around *
  • Chicago KinksChicago Kinks Posts: 2,747Registered Users
    I have to check which one I have, I think its the Kinky Curly. I was mad as heck when I tried it on my bang.

    I'm going to need one of you to do it for me * looks around *

    *looks around as well*


    I've never taken the time to do a wng with it and it is too expensive to be playing around. I may order the braid made curls after my no-buy expires.


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  • NinjaretteNinjarette Posts: 3,982Registered Users
    ...and y'all can keep "lookin' around", cuz I'm not messin' with those other creams. I knew how much work I was willing to do, BEFORE I even bought the product.
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  • CerendipityCerendipity Posts: 5,091Registered Users
    Lolol
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  • NinjaretteNinjarette Posts: 3,982Registered Users
    Okay...I don't have a pic, cuz I'm having computer issues. My avatar is the best I can do, and you can't see much with that. The next time I do a braidout with this product (which will be the next time I do a braidout), I'll have a good picture.

    The Results:
    I got a very nice, defined, smooth braidout, with zero frizz. Nada. I added no moisturizer after the take down. I just fluffed, and was out the door.

    The humidity wasn't high that day, but my work environment is "humid" inside, and my hair didn't "expand" much as the day went on. It pretty much looked the same as it did when I left that morning. For me, that's major.

    My hair NEVER felt hard. I could feel "hold", but my hair was soft and pliable, and it stayed that way...all day/evening. To be honest, I was really worried how this product was going to dry in my hair, and I'm happy to say my worries were unfounded.

    My hair got wet (lawn sprinkler) that evening, and I rebraided (with EO Style Nourishing Hair Cream applied to sectioned hair, without combing), and got the same awesome results, with no frizz/poofiness.

    Next time, I'll apply a bit more of the Braid Made Curls to the crown area, and I expected a bit of a learning curve. But I'm excited about how my hair performed - I can get a defined, fab looking braid/twistout anytime. I've mastered braid/twistouts. But for my hair to retain the same level of softness...all day, with no additional product of any kind added, is noteworthy.

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  • suns4i6esuns4i6e Posts: 77Registered Users
    It's really a shame the company doesn't list product ingredients. Many (like me) are sensitive to common ingredients found in niche product lines.
  • NinjaretteNinjarette Posts: 3,982Registered Users
    suns4i6e wrote: »
    It's really a shame the company doesn't list product ingredients. Many (like me) are sensitive to common ingredients found in niche product lines.

    Email them and ask them for an ingredient list.
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  • ZinniaZinnia Posts: 7,339Registered Users
    The ingredients can be found here. It looks to contain all ingredients.

    suns4i6e wrote: »
    It's really a shame the company doesn't list product ingredients. Many (like me) are sensitive to common ingredients found in niche product lines.
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  • suns4i6esuns4i6e Posts: 77Registered Users
    Zinnia wrote: »
    The ingredients can be found here. It looks to contain all ingredients.


    Thank you @Zinnia! I swear I looked...apparently not with my good eye.
    It has a cone, too bad.:cry:
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    DP
  • CerendipityCerendipity Posts: 5,091Registered Users
    so I tried my Kinky Curly cream out last night on dry hair.

    I should have did it on damp hair but I was lazy.


    I could see the potential in this stuff immediately. It weighed my hair down in some places so much the hair was straight but then curled to my head.

    I didnt have the strength to do it 4 times and I was half-assing. My cream was room temperature so it spread much easier. I also sprayed each section before.

    Being that I did it on dry hair , my hair has an overcast grayish tinge. My hair looks a little dull. That usually happens when shea butter doesnt penetrate.

    I wasnt expecting the full potential because like I said I did it on dry hair but I like it and will try it this weekend the correct way.


    I now want to try the braids to curl. I bet my hair would be FAB.
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  • Chicago KinksChicago Kinks Posts: 2,747Registered Users
    I tried the Kinky Curly on out but I think I used too much oil in my water mix...I ended up with dull oily hair. I'm going to try the braid made curls as soon as the weather cools some.

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  • NinjaretteNinjarette Posts: 3,982Registered Users
    I have the new formula of the wash n go creams. The new creams don't require all that. I have the kinky and the kinky/curly in Argan and JBCO.

    When I feel like attempting another wash n go, I'll pull one of the jars out and go for it. I REALLY like the Braid Made Curls.

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  • CerendipityCerendipity Posts: 5,091Registered Users
    Very interesting

    ETA I see the company is contacted already
  • NinjaretteNinjarette Posts: 3,982Registered Users
    Very interesting

    I've contacted Signature Textures, with a link to this thread...particularly Lovemenappy's post, with a suggestion to make haste in addressing the concern.
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    Ninjarette wrote: »
    Very interesting

    I've contacted Signature Textures, with a link to this thread...particularly Lovemenappy's post, with a suggestion to make haste in addressing the concern.
    Thanks Ninjarette. I hope my intentions dont get miscontrued as being malicious because that's not my intention at all..and if my suspicion is baseless I humbly apologize...and Ill edit my op to reflect that if it turns out that I am wrong. It just looks odd to me. Cornstarch as a SECOND ingredient along with borax? In a cream formula? All products arent created equal, but at the end of the day hair creams boil down to water + oil + emulsifier/detangler/conditioner + preservative. It's difficult to reinvent the wheel and I just have never seen a cream with corn starch along with borax used in a LEAVE IN HAIR cream. And then Cyclocarboxypropyloleic Acid and sodium hydroxide is soap. Not accusing them of using the Stay Flo, but even when you google the ingredients alone they refer back to laundry detergent and this starch concentrate. It really really looks similar ingredient wise, and the line up of ingredients that they have listed are what is considered soap. :-?

    The claims regarding changing the texture of hair is what tipped me off. If this turns out to be repackaged starch concentrate, as a formulator, this would definitely be the most morally repugnant, dishonest, and irresponsible thing a business could possibly do in my honest opinion.

    Cyclocarboxypropyloleic Acid Information | Cyclocarboxypropyloleic Acid Guide | GoodGuide

    When you google "cyclocarboxypropyloleic acid sodium hydroxide" Stay Flo is the first thing that shows in a google search the second is Signature Textures Ingredient list.

    I'm trying to get the "soap" thing out of this...I'm a soapmaker, and I must be missing some chemistry notes. We will get to the bottom of this. There's a few things that are suspect though, to be honest.

    BTW, borax was/is used to clean HAIR (my granny used it for hair and clothes), clothes...and it's been used in skin lotions, as well.

    Thanks for the info...
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  • Nappy_curly_crownNappy_curly_crown Posts: 4,162Registered Users
    A couple of things are jumping out at me here...so let me put my chemist hat on.

    1. Cyclocarboxypropyloleic Acid and sodium hydroxide are not soap. When you put them together you do not get soap. To make soap you need the saponification process. If that was the case, sodium hydroxide would be listed much higher in the ingredient list. Where it is listed currently leaves me to think it is a PH adjuster.

    2. The IUPAC name for borax is sodium decaborate tetrahydrate. Borax also is known as sodium borate, sodium tetraborate or disodium tetraborate. Borax is used in LOTS of cosmetics including tooth paste. It is used in a lot of buffer solutions and is a laundry booster/water softener. Broax is not soap....but it is used in a lot of soaps (including hand soaps) because it leaves a softening effect. Borax also is used as a natural fungicide, preservative, insecticide, herbicide, disinfectant and dessicant.

    3. When mixed with water, borax forms hydrogen peroxide (H2O2) which is why it is used as a laundry booster because peroxide is a color safe bleach alternative and and water softner.

    4. I've seen lots of cream products that use corn starch to prevent the "greasy" feeling and on lots of DIY cosmetic forums, lots of people add corn starch to hair and skin creams to prevent them from feeling greasy.

    ETA

    5. Cyclocarboxypropyloleic Acid is a skin conditoning agent and is used to increase viscosity in formulations.

    I've searched and the only laundry related item that I can find this listed as an ingredient is in the sta flo you mentioned which is a spray starch...not a laundry detergent.
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  • NinjaretteNinjarette Posts: 3,982Registered Users
    A couple of things are jumping out at me here...so let me put my chemist hat on.

    1. Cyclocarboxypropyloleic Acid and sodium hydroxide are not soap. When you put them together you do not get soap. To make soap you need the saponification process. If that was the case, sodium hydroxide would be listed much higher in the ingredient list. Where it is listed currently leaves me to think it is a PH adjuster.

    2. The IUPAC name for borax is sodium decaborate tetrahydrate. Borax also is known as sodium borate, sodium tetraborate or disodium tetraborate. Borax is used in LOTS of cosmetics including tooth paste. It is used in a lot of buffer solutions and is a laundry booster/water softener. Broax is not soap....but it is used in a lot of soaps (including hand soaps) because it leaves a softening effect. Borax also is used as a natural fungicide, preservative, insecticide, herbicide, disinfectant and dessicant.

    3. When mixed with water, borax forms hydrogen peroxide (H2O2) which is why it is used as a laundry booster because peroxide is a color safe bleach alternative and and water softner.

    4. I've seen lots of cream products that use corn starch to prevent the "greasy" feeling and on lots of DIY cosmetic forums, lots of people add corn starch to hair and skin creams to prevent them from feeling greasy.

    AND when adequate saponification (the right proportion of S.hydroxide to oils/fats ) is complete...there is no more sodium hydroxide in the formulation. That's why many soapmakers use the term "saponified oils", instead of listing the oils, and then sodium hydroxide after.
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    I've got to get my :study: on.

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    Ninjarette wrote: »
    Thanks Ninjarette. I hope my intentions dont get miscontrued as being malicious because that's not my intention at all..and if my suspicion is baseless I humbly apologize...and Ill edit my op to reflect that if it turns out that I am wrong. It just looks odd to me. Cornstarch as a SECOND ingredient along with borax? In a cream formula? All products arent created equal, but at the end of the day hair creams boil down to water + oil + emulsifier/detangler/conditioner + preservative. It's difficult to reinvent the wheel and I just have never seen a cream with corn starch along with borax used in a LEAVE IN HAIR cream. And then Cyclocarboxypropyloleic Acid and sodium hydroxide is soap. Not accusing them of using the Stay Flo, but even when you google the ingredients alone they refer back to laundry detergent and this starch concentrate. It really really looks similar ingredient wise, and the line up of ingredients that they have listed are what is considered soap. :-?

    The claims regarding changing the texture of hair is what tipped me off. If this turns out to be repackaged starch concentrate, as a formulator, this would definitely be the most morally repugnant, dishonest, and irresponsible thing a business could possibly do in my honest opinion.

    Cyclocarboxypropyloleic Acid Information | Cyclocarboxypropyloleic Acid Guide | GoodGuide

    When you google "cyclocarboxypropyloleic acid sodium hydroxide" Stay Flo is the first thing that shows in a google search the second is Signature Textures Ingredient list.

    I'm trying to get the "soap" thing out of this...I'm a soapmaker, and I must be missing some chemistry notes. We will get to the bottom of this. There's a few things that are suspect though, to be honest.

    BTW, borax was/is used to clean HAIR (my granny used it for hair and clothes), clothes...and it's been used in skin lotions, as well.

    Thanks for the info...
    Okay. I was referring to how the Stay Flo ingredient list referenced it "......Soap (Cyclocarboxypropyloleic Acid,Sodium Hydroxide)". Just wanted to clarify, I'm not accusing the product of being soap, Stay Flo isn't soap either. I was referring to the Stay Flo ingredient list there.

    I know of a lot of people who use borax to clean hair as well as lotions as well. Again, not saying this is it or not....I did a search for the ingredients listed (and the way they had them listed) and Stay Flo pulled up first with their line pulling up second. I just found the ingredient listing to be odd...the way things are listed coupled with the ingredient similarities.

    ...and this is what I want them to address. Cuz the label is wonky...it doesn't make sense. I agree.
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    Actually, I don't find it odd...I'm kinda impressed. Think about it: The whole point of liquid laundry starches is to smooth the clothes and make them "hold" the shape/sleekness that has been pressed into them by an iron.


    So let's follow this chain from getting clothes/fabric to hold the shape/sleeknes that the iron has put into them and move that into hair. When you look at it from that aspect and the claims the product makes, it doesn't look so far off base. You smooth the product into the hair and the combination of ingredients smoothes the hair and "holds" the shape. They managed to create it w/o the use of a bunch of waxes that most hair products use to get hold.

    I just looked up most of the ingredients in the product that I'm not familiar with and none of them have any toxic effects or environmental issues. So other than the combination looking odd compaired to most hair products, I don't see any big red flags. I'm going to wait and see what the product maker has to say in response. I don't think I've missed anything but if I have please feel free to point it out to me.
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    Actually, I don't find it odd...I'm kinda impressed. Think about it: The whole point of liquid laundry starches is to smooth the clothes and make them "hold" the shape/sleekness that has been pressed into them by an iron.


    So let's follow this chain from getting clothes/fabric to hold the shape/sleeknes that the iron has put into them and move that into hair. When you look at it from that aspect and the claims the product makes, it doesn't look so far off base. You smooth the product into the hair and the combination of ingredients smoothes the hair and "holds" the shape. They managed to create it w/o the use of a bunch of waxes that most hair products use to get hold.

    I just looked up most of the ingredients in the product that I'm not familiar with and none of them have any toxic effects or environmental issues. So other than the combination looking odd compaired to most hair products, I don't see any big red flags. I'm going to wait and see what the product maker has to say in response. I don't think I've missed anything but if I have please feel free to point it out to me.


    If you don't drink it, you should be good. There are a few known skin/respiratory irritants, so use common sense. Plus, it's about how much is in the actual product.

    But the fact that the ingredient list so closely matches Stay Flo Liquid Starch does bring in the same issue that the "Quench Cream" lady was up against. I would hope this company isn't buying jugs of Stay Flo, and mixing in oils...that's unethical, in my opinion.
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