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Silicones and oils

I swear, I stay so confused! Every time I think I've got it all figured out, i end up more confused than ever! So here goes... I was under the assumption that non water silicones, sulfates, mineral oil, and petroleum were all best avoided, and natural oils and organic conditioners were best for mOisturizing. However, after reading the info for an upscale salon that specializes in curly hair I am questioning myself. They say oils such as olive and coconut sit on the hair and do not moisturize. They boast jesse's buttercream (baby) or (curls) as the very best moisturizers. Both of these products are full of mineral oil, and petroleum. This retails for $58 for a 16oz jar. I did a little more digging, and discovered that several other high-end products were full of silicones. Some sites say silicones actually dry the hair, while others suggest they are great moisturizers. Let me know what you guys think. Personally, I feel like if I wanted a product full of mIneral oil, I would just go to the dollar store and get it for about $3.50


  • kathymackkathymack Posts: 9,999Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    I totally agree with you. As with everything, there will be two "sides" to every story. The other issue is that hair that looks good is totally subjective. I'm pretty particular. Wouldn't be happy with a lot of what I see.

    When I was first nc.com, and tried the Miss Jessie's products, the ingredients were much better. I didn't care for them. I can't understand why people would pay those prices for cheap ingredients (let alone the fact that they aren't great for my hair, at least.)

    Use of straight oil(s) is a personal thing. My hair likes them in products, but usually not straight up.
    3a (Corkicelli), highlighted, fine, low porosity
    SE PA

    HGs: Anything Sevi; Curly Kinks Satin Roots, Curlycue ReNew and Coil Jam; homemade FSG and okra gel; soap bars; UFD Curly Magic; Botanical Spirits Jellies, CJ Repair Me, Aloe Fix
  • Corrina777Corrina777 Posts: 3,193Registered Users
    I feel that silicones and sulfates are like sweets. Best in small doses, but not always necessary to avoid altogether. I generally follow CG, but will occasionally use a gentle sulfate shampoo and a couple of products with cones. I like the shampoo because I find it less drying than most of the sulfate-free shampoos I've tried, plus it's got a nice hit of protein, which is something my hair likes. I've used it as much as 3 times in one week, but normal would be once or twice a week. I co-wash on the other days. My new silicone splurge is a LI that has been doing an amazing job of keeping my hair soft and tangle-free. I do martial arts and my hair will be a rat's nest after a 4 hour tournament team practice. This LI prevents that. So I use it when I need to but try not to over do it. I know that half the reason these products work as well as they do now is because of how healthy CG made my hair.

    Ultimately it comes down to what makes your hair look and feel its best. I know people who have gotten amazing hair by following CG, and I also know some people who have amazing hair and don't follow CG at all.

    Sent from my BlackBerry 9800 using Tapatalk
    Modified CG since 11/5/11
    CLEANSE: CJ Daily Fix, DevaCare No-Poo, CHS Treatment Shampoo
    RO: SS Caitlin's Conditioner, CJ Beauticurls Strengthening
    LI: SS Repairing Protein Treatment, CHS Silk Leave-In
    STYLE: Re:Coil, Curl Keeper, Deva Ultra Defining Gel, Curls Rock Amplifier,Sweet Curls Elixirs Okra Gel and Hard Hold Gel, SS Curl Enhancing Jelly and Firm Hold Gel
  • JessiebananaJessiebanana Posts: 940Banned Users
    You have treat all information carefully and especially information from people trying to sell you something. Grain of salt...and even if mineral oil was the bees knees. I just go buy some baby oil for $3 and call it a day.
    3C/Fine to Medium/Low Porosity/High Density


    Low Poo: CJ Gentle Cleansing Shampoo
    RO/DC: DB Pumpkin Seed Curl Moisturizing Conditioner
    LI: CJ Smoothing Lotion
    Styler: Queen Helene Sculpturing Gel & Glaze

    No Salts, No Waxes, No Butters, No Heavy Oils
    No ACV, No Saponified Oils, Protein Sensitive
  • SaraNoHSaraNoH Posts: 827Registered Users
    It can be really confusing, when everyone is saying this or that is bad but it works for some, or it's in everything.
    Take mineral oil for one. A product I use to seal has a high mineral oil content and it's awesome, which goes against curls "rules." And as stated before, sulfates and silicones are okay in small doses. Some people seem to think that if you use cones/sulfates ONCE then you FAIL as a CG and you're never allowed back in our exclusive club. Noooo....
    CG Birthday: 7/25/11
    Type 3a/2c
    Dense, Fine in front Coarse in back, Low porosity
    Low-Poo: SM Moisture Retention Shampoo
    Rinse Out: Tresemme Naturals
    Leave In: ^^^^
    Stylers: AIF, Natural Silks Curly Gel
    *Desert Curly*
  • FmasuhrFmasuhr Posts: 1,354Registered Users
    i agree with the others it is really really confusing. and cause at the start i was really annoyed cause it didnt matter what i bought or used it must have had somthing bad in it, cause my hair really flipped out. soooo after months of this i stopped it all together. i started from scrunch, and only use natural things in my hair. that was about this time last year i was having the trouble. and still to this day, i only use natural and raw things in my hair. and my hair has never been happier or healthyer. i only have to wash twice a week and i only use conditioner and oil to style.
    might not work for other ppl, and it might not be the best thing for me, cause i havent really tried anything else. but im really happy with it now.

    my hair: 3b, high porosity, high density and coarse hair (i think i finally figured that all out)
    my hair loves conditioner only styling!
    Oils and my own procuts are my hairs best friend
    my hair goal length is bra strap length when curly.
  • adthomasadthomas Posts: 5,525Registered Users
    To each head of hair its own. My hair doesnt like sulfates (drying) or silicones (buildup then dryness) or mineral oil (attracts lint and dirt to my hair requiring more shampooing). Every time I buy products with these ingredients thinking it will be different this time I regret it. I use a mostly natural and ayurvedic regimen and my hair loves it. Listen to your hair and not companies and so called experts who want to treat us like we are all the same.
    Yes, it's real. No, you can't touch it. :wav:
  • ChaklatChaklat Posts: 89Registered Users
    I have products that contain these ingredients. Shampoo has sulfates, conditioner has cones, and I occasionally use a hair grease to seal with no problem. Silicones are artificial oils and should be treated as you would oils.

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