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President Obama supports same sex marriage

greenjumpergreenjumper Posts: 891Registered Users
Obama declares support for same-sex marriage - latimes.com


From the article:
Obama told ABC's Robin Roberts Wednesday: "Over the course of several years as I have talked to friends and family and neighbors when I think about members of my own staff who are in incredibly committed monogamous relationships, same-sex relationships, who are raising kids together, when I think about those soldiers or airmen or marines or sailors who are out there fighting on my behalf and yet feel constrained, even now that Don't Ask Don't Tell is gone, because they are not able to commit themselves in a marriage, at a certain point I’ve just concluded that for me personally it is important for me to go ahead and affirm that I think same sex couples should be able to get married."
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  • EilonwyEilonwy Posts: 12,389Registered Users
    Lol, Obama's pulling this out just in time for election season.
  • xcptnlxcptnl Posts: 15,678Registered Users
    Didn't the WH just say that Joe Biden's remarks were his personal opinion and not the WH?? They kinda threw him under the bus last week and now this.


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  • MoppyTMoppyT Posts: 998Registered Users
    This didn't take long: When Obama Endorsed Same-Sex Marriage
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  • NorahBuggNorahBugg Posts: 134Registered Users
    This really wasn't a good time for this. It could really hurt him in swing states. I knew several people who were on the fence in 2004 and went with Bush just because of the gay marriage issue.The gay marriage amendment was also on the ballot in Ohio at the time and won like 60/40. Dumb, dumb, dumb, Obama. *That comes 100% from a political perspective. I'm an Obama supporter who admires this personally, but I also know what voters in states like mine are like.
  • JosephineJosephine Posts: 14,175Registered Users
    Yea I'm surprised he is doing this now. I figured he'd come out and do the real work after he secured the second term.
  • greenjumpergreenjumper Posts: 891Registered Users
    I think it'll help him.

    Yes, it will alienate some voters, but I feel as though it will strengthen the support and loyalty from others. I doubt that many people extremely against same sex marriage were seriously thinking about supporting him anyway. Those on the fence will have a choice to make just like they did last time.


    He knows it's campaign season. His campaign managers, advisers, political analysts, publicist, and everyone else employeed by the White House know this as well. I'm sure they carefully decided to announce this and have done plenty of studies, polls, etc on the outcome.
  • sleepymekosleepymeko Posts: 1,002Registered Users
    I think the whole acceptance of gay marriage would do good for the youth, since I personally believe and from my own personal experience, that the majority of us are in support of gay marriage. But I think it'll harm older and more conservative generations who were on the fence.

    Personally, I am happy that he supports gay marriage, but I'm not sure how this will work for him this year
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  • SpringcurlSpringcurl Posts: 8,002Registered Users
    Josephine wrote: »
    Yea I'm surprised he is doing this now. I figured he'd come out and do the real work after he secured the second term.

    That's what I thought, too.
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  • roseannadanaroseannadana Posts: 5,632Registered Users
    I agree with greenjumper. As someone who actively works in his campaign, I can tell you that we are very proud that he has made these remarks.

    Those who are against gay marriage are not normally Obama supporters anyway. It has energized his core supporters.

    Just because he is personally for gay marriage doesn't mean gay people will be getting married soon. But it does let them know they have a president who gets it and realizes the importance of this civil right.

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  • PartyHairPartyHair Posts: 7,713Registered Users
    Eilonwy wrote: »
    Lol, Obama's pulling this out just in time for election season.

    I think it'll hurt him more than help him, at least here in uber-religious-conservative-land (in which I live in general disharmony with the crowd). It'll be his re-election campaign's death knell.
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  • SusieSuzeSusieSuze Posts: 524Registered Users
    A country who is concerned with the sex of the person you are partnered with, while it's population is dying from being overfed but malnourished, while it's air, water and food source is being polluted, while it's economy is in the toilet, really has it's priorities completely messed UP!!

    How much further backwards do we have to go here?

    Thank goodness there is at least someone saying something that goes against the evil moronic idiots who think they have a right to tell others how to live their lives.
  • *Marah**Marah* Posts: 8,032Registered Users
    Eilonwy wrote: »
    Lol, Obama's pulling this out just in time for election season.

    I hate to say it but I thought the same exact thing. I mean I like to give him the benefit of the doubt and believe after discussions with family and friends..his mind had changed. But the timing seems..ehh a little too convenient. I mean he's had a long time now to consider this..and he could have been told the country he supports gay marriage.

    I still prefer him over Romney though.

    In other news though NC put a ban on gay marriage. Guess none of them talked with family and friends.....or maybe they did!
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  • SpringcurlSpringcurl Posts: 8,002Registered Users
    PartyHair wrote: »
    Eilonwy wrote: »
    Lol, Obama's pulling this out just in time for election season.

    I think it'll hurt him more than help him, at least here in uber-religious-conservative-land (in which I live in general disharmony with the crowd). It'll be his re-election campaign's death knell.

    He didn't win Texas last time; he won't win t this time. Zero sum game at least in that state.
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  • EilonwyEilonwy Posts: 12,389Registered Users
    NorahBugg wrote: »
    I knew several people who were on the fence in 2004 and went with Bush just because of the gay marriage issue.
    Hahahaha "More than anything else, I care about keeping gay people from marrying" What the christ...

    Anyway I'm pretty sure the Obama campaign has some terrific strategists behind it. Obama's just not going after the people who care that much about banning gay marriage.
  • vanek07vanek07 Posts: 86Registered Users
    I'm very happy about this! We have a smart, educated, open-minded president I fully support.
  • EilonwyEilonwy Posts: 12,389Registered Users
    *Marah* wrote: »
    I hate to say it but I thought the same exact thing. I mean I like to give him the benefit of the doubt and believe after discussions with family and friends..his mind had changed.
    I can't imagine he was against gay marriage to begin with. He just does what's politically expedient. And since the GOP has been taken over by the far right, I can accept political expedience if it keeps the extremists in check.
  • greenjumpergreenjumper Posts: 891Registered Users
    This may be a little silly but I was just thinking that since older people are usually a large group do not support same sex marriage and younger people are usually in support of it....4 years of more older people dying and more younger people becoming 18 or older may help some. As well as 4 more years of positive media portrayal of same sex couples in general (Ellen D, popular TV shows with gay couples, more and more people "coming out", more social acceptance) Idk, just a thought.

    I was also under the impression that he supported gay marriage but he just couldn't say so / was advised against saying so.

    Who knows, maybe they just made Biden into the guinea pig! Lol
  • PartyHairPartyHair Posts: 7,713Registered Users
    Springcurl wrote: »
    PartyHair wrote: »
    Eilonwy wrote: »
    Lol, Obama's pulling this out just in time for election season.

    I think it'll hurt him more than help him, at least here in uber-religious-conservative-land (in which I live in general disharmony with the crowd). It'll be his re-election campaign's death knell.

    He didn't win Texas last time; he won't win t this time. Zero sum game at least in that state.

    Yes, agreed. However, I'm afraid that his comments may alienate some who are on the fence. Maybe I don't give people (read: moderate conservatives) enough credit, but, sad to say, I do think this might push some of those types over to the red.

    On the other hand, I am BEYOND thrilled that the President is throwing his support behind this cause. I think it's exciting that he just took that stand - no second guessing it, no political statements around it, just "This is what I believe and this is why". Awesome.
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  • SpringcurlSpringcurl Posts: 8,002Registered Users
    PartyHair wrote: »
    Springcurl wrote: »
    PartyHair wrote: »

    I think it'll hurt him more than help him, at least here in uber-religious-conservative-land (in which I live in general disharmony with the crowd). It'll be his re-election campaign's death knell.

    He didn't win Texas last time; he won't win t this time. Zero sum game at least in that state.

    Yes, agreed. However, I'm afraid that his comments may alienate some who are on the fence. Maybe I don't give people (read: moderate conservatives) enough credit, but, sad to say, I do think this might push some of those types over to the red.
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    I do worry about that.
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    Good timing or bad, thank you Mr President for having the balls to say what needs to be said.
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  • *Marah**Marah* Posts: 8,032Registered Users
    Eilonwy wrote: »
    *Marah* wrote: »
    I hate to say it but I thought the same exact thing. I mean I like to give him the benefit of the doubt and believe after discussions with family and friends..his mind had changed.
    I can't imagine he was against gay marriage to begin with. He just does what's politically expedient. And since the GOP has been taken over by the far right, I can accept political expedience if it keeps the extremists in check.

    Well imagine it..

    I always got the impression that he thought marriage was between a man and a woman because of his religious beliefs.. he was always for civil unions for gays though... I distinctly remember him saying as much as well as saying some years back that he needed to do more "research" on the issue...

    So for all intents and purposes...he certainly wasn't absolutely for it...

    Barack Obama - Gay Marriage
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  • greenjumpergreenjumper Posts: 891Registered Users
    *Marah* wrote: »
    Eilonwy wrote: »
    *Marah* wrote: »
    I hate to say it but I thought the same exact thing. I mean I like to give him the benefit of the doubt and believe after discussions with family and friends..his mind had changed.
    I can't imagine he was against gay marriage to begin with. He just does what's politically expedient. And since the GOP has been taken over by the far right, I can accept political expedience if it keeps the extremists in check.

    Well imagine it..

    I always got the impression that he thought marriage was between a man and a woman because of his religious beliefs.. he was always for civil unions for gays though... I distinctly remember him saying as much as well as saying some years back that he needed to do more "research" on the issue...

    So for all intents and purposes...he certainly wasn't absolutely for it...

    Barack Obama - Gay Marriage



    Nope, he was definitely for it. That link goes to 2004... by that time he was considering running for president and at that time presidents of the U.S. just didn't go around supporting gay marriage. He had to say he was against it because that's what was expected of him at the time. So, I guess he basically lied...

    I think they made that little back story up about it being a part of his religious beliefs because they wanted to distance him away from any Islamic ties that he had. Saying he was against sam sex marriage because of his deep belief in Christianity was enough to help him in the "looking like a good 'ole Christian" department (as well as some other things they did (I remember them showing him and his family at church and all that).

    Anyway...in 1996, he said he was in support of it.
    Obama Once Supported Same-Sex Marriage 'Unequivocally'

    From the article:
    President-elect Obama's answer to a 1996 Outlines newspaper question on marriage was: "I favor legalizing same-sex marriages, and would fight efforts to prohibit such marriages." There was no use of the phrase "civil unions".
  • NorahBuggNorahBugg Posts: 134Registered Users
    sleepymeko wrote: »
    I think the whole acceptance of gay marriage would do good for the youth, since I personally believe and from my own personal experience, that the majority of us are in support of gay marriage. But I think it'll harm older and more conservative generations who were on the fence.

    Personally, I am happy that he supports gay marriage, but I'm not sure how this will work for him this year

    I agree. My grandma and her friends are socially conservative but leaning toward Obama because they're scared of losing their Medicare. Most of them are Catholics and religious so are paying attention there. They could go either way. I don't know about other religions but the Church is getting more involved in politics and I know something like this is going to influence voters who are made to feel guilty about voting for Obama already.
  • emthefantasticalemthefantastical Posts: 962Registered Users
    NorahBugg wrote: »
    sleepymeko wrote: »
    I think the whole acceptance of gay marriage would do good for the youth, since I personally believe and from my own personal experience, that the majority of us are in support of gay marriage. But I think it'll harm older and more conservative generations who were on the fence.

    Personally, I am happy that he supports gay marriage, but I'm not sure how this will work for him this year

    I agree. My grandma and her friends are socially conservative but leaning toward Obama because they're scared of losing their Medicare. Most of them are Catholics and religious so are paying attention there. They could go either way. I don't know about other religions but the Church is getting more involved in politics and I know something like this is going to influence voters who are made to feel guilty about voting for Obama already.

    Maybe it's just the area I'm from, but I see just as many people in their 20's against gay marriage as older people against it. I also come from a fairly conservative city, and went to Catholic schools all my life, so that could be part of it.
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  • NorahBuggNorahBugg Posts: 134Registered Users
    Eilonwy wrote: »
    NorahBugg wrote: »
    I knew several people who were on the fence in 2004 and went with Bush just because of the gay marriage issue.
    Hahahaha "More than anything else, I care about keeping gay people from marrying" What the christ...

    Anyway I'm pretty sure the Obama campaign has some terrific strategists behind it. Obama's just not going after the people who care that much about banning gay marriage.

    You wouldn't believe how many people are Democrats and socially conservative especially in rural areas of the midwest and south. They usually vote Democratic but sometimes one or two issues push them over. Some of the people I mentioned probably wouldn't have voted for Kerry or at all but the gay marriage issue was very hot then and got them out to vote. I don't think it will be quite the same this time with the economy being such a driving factor.

    People usually vote with their pocketbooks, but you can't count out religion. Here in the midwest, the evangelical churches are popping up everywhere. I've been to one and I'm sure these pastors won't think twice about using political influence. Our county is one that can go either way and always attracts tons of campaign attention during election season because the election almost always goes the way the county goes.
  • NorahBuggNorahBugg Posts: 134Registered Users
    NorahBugg wrote: »
    sleepymeko wrote: »
    I think the whole acceptance of gay marriage would do good for the youth, since I personally believe and from my own personal experience, that the majority of us are in support of gay marriage. But I think it'll harm older and more conservative generations who were on the fence.

    Personally, I am happy that he supports gay marriage, but I'm not sure how this will work for him this year

    I agree. My grandma and her friends are socially conservative but leaning toward Obama because they're scared of losing their Medicare. Most of them are Catholics and religious so are paying attention there. They could go either way. I don't know about other religions but the Church is getting more involved in politics and I know something like this is going to influence voters who are made to feel guilty about voting for Obama already.

    Maybe it's just the area I'm from, but I see just as many people in their 20's against gay marriage as older people against it. I also come from a fairly conservative city, and went to Catholic schools all my life, so that could be part of it.

    Me, too. I've noticed when checking up on old friends from Catholic school on Facebook that many of the ones who stayed with the faith also proudly display that they're conservatives. Those that I know or suspect are no longer Catholic appear to be liberal or at least they have down that they support liberal issues.

    Most ppl I went to school with left this area. I'd say there are more than not who have moved to more liberal areas and support liberal values. Actually even among my Republican friends here, a good portion of them support gay marriage. I do think this generation in general is more liberal at least compared to 40 somethings and above. I don't really know about the gen slightly under me, the late teens and early 20's.
  • diasporadiaspora Posts: 596Registered Users
    While stating his support for same-sex marriage will likely influence his campaign (positively is my guess), and is a great thing for a president to affirm, what's he going to do about making it happen? Marriage laws are determined at the state level. He did determine Clinton's Defense of Marriage Act (said marriage was between a man and a woman) unconstitutional in 2011, which is good. But how is he going to help make the legality of same-sex marriage a reality?

    So while I think it's a positive thing that he finally publicly stated his support of gay marriage, I don't really care what he or any president believes in their heart. I care what they actually DO. Everyone makes excuses for why presidents "can't" stand up and do something about what they really believe in, (it will hurt their reelection, Republicans won't let them, they have to wait til their 2nd term, etc.) but I think that lets them off way too easy. I'm tired of politics coming before representing the people and doing what's right. IMO our electoral system is really disgusting.
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  • legendslegends Posts: 3,073Registered Users
    From a purely political perspective, I don't like this at all. There is no way this isn't going to have negative repercussions, both for gay equality and for the reelection campaign. What the hell was he thinking?
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  • roseannadanaroseannadana Posts: 5,632Registered Users
    Some people might be surprised how many older voters are not against gay marriage. Sometimes with age comes more of a live and let live outlook.

    Same goes for the legalization of marijuana laws.

    Many of us older people who came of age in the 60s or 70s have always had a more liberal mindset.

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  • redcelticcurlsredcelticcurls Posts: 17,502Registered Users
    Some people might be surprised how many older voters are not against gay marriage. Sometimes with age comes more of a live and let live outlook.

    Same goes for the legalization of marijuana laws.

    Many of us older people who came of age in the 60s or 70s have always had a more liberal mindset.

    I agree. I see more anti gay rhetoric in the younger crowd.


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