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I'm crying because I do not know what to do anymore

I've been a curly girl for over a month now and my hair still doesn't do ANYTHING right. its still frizzy, knots disgustingly, and the crown of hair has waves yet underneath, near the nape of my neck has tight, spiral curls. I have wasted so much money on so many hair items and nothing works except one thing: shea moisture, curl smoothie. I don't have money to spend $15 on a small bottle of conditioner just to find out it sucks. I can only afford the bad cheap brands for now. I am at a lost. I want to say screw it and just go back to straightening and curling my hair with the curling iron. But for some reason I keep trying and failing. I want to shave it all off. My hair sends me crying and when I ask for advice, look for advice it's all about more products I need to buy and I cant waste money! Ive already thrown away about 10 products that dont work for nothing. I don't understand what Im doing wrong. I only wash with conditioner (Tresseme curly line) and I finger comb, occasionally comb with a wide tooth comb. I wash my scalp and throughly wash my hair with the conditioner. When out of shower I lightly pat dry with cotton shirt. I then use my shea moisture to run through my hair to revent frizz. I either air dry, occasionally diffuse, or I wrap my hair in cotton t shirt until dries yet its still ugly. Im at a loss and may just say good bye to being a curly girl bc clearly its not meant for me
CG, High Porosity, Fine, Low Density, Medium Elasticity
Suave, V05, GF Go clean gel, ACV rinses, CO, and Gelatine PT.
[URL="[url=http://www.naturallycurly.com/curltalk/members/samanthascurlz-albums-evolvement-my-hair.html]Curls[/url]"][/url]Curls
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  • Lucky CharmLucky Charm Posts: 1,250Registered Users
    Are you using Tresemee Flawless Curls conditioner? If so, it is loaded with silicones, and if you are not shampooing, you can bet the silicone is building upon your hair, preventing moisture from penetrating the hair shaft. Dryness, frizz, and tangles are the result. Here are the ingredients for the Flawless Curls conditioner:
    Ingredients Water (Aqua), Stearyl Alcohol, Cyclopentasiloxane, Cetyl Alcohol, Stearamidopropyl Dimethylamine, Dimethicone, Cyclohexasiloxane, Aspartic Acid, Quatermium-18, Fragrance (Parfum), DMDM Hydantoin, Citric Acid, Isostearamidopropyl Ethyldimonium Ethosulfate, Butylphenyl Methylpropional, Limonene, Disodium EDTA, PEG-9, Amyl Cinnamal, Linalool, Geraniol, Hexyl Cinnamal, Polysorbate 20, Hydrolyzed Keratin, Thiamine HCl, Tocopheryl Acetate, Panthenol, Ascorbic Acid, Niacinamide, Biotin.
    Silicone ingredients end in -cone, -conol, or -xane. An exception is if there is PPG or PEG in front of the silicone, the PEG/PPG makes it water soluble.
    I'm sorry to say that you need to clarify with a sulfate shampoo that does not contain silicones. Most VO5 shampoos will do the trick, and can be found for under a dollar. Its important to read lables, sometimes companies are sneaky and change ingredients without warning.
    Tresemee Naturals, either the volumizing or moisture are silicone free, so you want to replace your Tresemee Curly line with a silicone free conditioner and just start over.
    - 2C - Coarse Canopy & med/fine underlayers
    - MOP C Hydrating 'poo
    - LOreal Natures Therapy Moisturizing condish, ION Effective Care, Garnier S&S (old formula)
    - treatments: CJ Curl Rehab, CJ Repair Me!
    - plopping, diffusing, and clipping the roots
  • SamanthascurlzSamanthascurlz Posts: 1,082Registered Users
    well like I said in my post I know its bad but its all I can afford right now. SO tresemme naturals is better? Are you sure?? Because Ill try to get some as soon as possible.
    CG, High Porosity, Fine, Low Density, Medium Elasticity
    Suave, V05, GF Go clean gel, ACV rinses, CO, and Gelatine PT.
    [URL="[url=http://www.naturallycurly.com/curltalk/members/samanthascurlz-albums-evolvement-my-hair.html]Curls[/url]"][/url]Curls
  • SamanthascurlzSamanthascurlz Posts: 1,082Registered Users
    Are you using Tresemee Flawless Curls conditioner? If so, it is loaded with silicones, and if you are not shampooing, you can bet the silicone is building upon your hair, preventing moisture from penetrating the hair shaft. Dryness, frizz, and tangles are the result. Here are the ingredients for the Flawless Curls conditioner:
    Ingredients Water (Aqua), Stearyl Alcohol, Cyclopentasiloxane, Cetyl Alcohol, Stearamidopropyl Dimethylamine, Dimethicone, Cyclohexasiloxane, Aspartic Acid, Quatermium-18, Fragrance (Parfum), DMDM Hydantoin, Citric Acid, Isostearamidopropyl Ethyldimonium Ethosulfate, Butylphenyl Methylpropional, Limonene, Disodium EDTA, PEG-9, Amyl Cinnamal, Linalool, Geraniol, Hexyl Cinnamal, Polysorbate 20, Hydrolyzed Keratin, Thiamine HCl, Tocopheryl Acetate, Panthenol, Ascorbic Acid, Niacinamide, Biotin.
    Silicone ingredients end in -cone, -conol, or -xane. An exception is if there is PPG or PEG in front of the silicone, the PEG/PPG makes it water soluble.
    I'm sorry to say that you need to clarify with a sulfate shampoo that does not contain silicones. Most VO5 shampoos will do the trick, and can be found for under a dollar. Its important to read lables, sometimes companies are sneaky and change ingredients without warning.
    Tresemee Naturals, either the volumizing or moisture are silicone free, so you want to replace your Tresemee Curly line with a silicone free conditioner and just start over.
    Thanks so much I knew it was bad bc I saw it has dimethicone but I cant afford anything too pricy. So the naturals is good? are you sure? I will try to get some. Maybe then it will fix this ugliness on my head.
    CG, High Porosity, Fine, Low Density, Medium Elasticity
    Suave, V05, GF Go clean gel, ACV rinses, CO, and Gelatine PT.
    [URL="[url=http://www.naturallycurly.com/curltalk/members/samanthascurlz-albums-evolvement-my-hair.html]Curls[/url]"][/url]Curls
  • triple_spiraltriple_spiral Posts: 249Registered Users
    Definitely if you're cowashing you need to stop using anything with silicones. I second the Tresemme Naturals conditioner, about the same price, no cones to build up in your hair.

    Also, are you cowashing with Tresemme, and then also using it to detangle/condition? Because something that can save you money is using a really cheap conditioner (like the vo5 that was recommended, or suave - both cost about a dollar) to cowash, and your "nicer" conditioner to condition and detangle. This makes the nicer conditioner last longer because you're not using it to scrub and wash your scalp with, which is unnecessary.

    Also, I don't know how your hair holds up during the day - like does it get poofy and frizz but more as it dries? If so you may need some kind of holding product (which can be cheap! depending on what you need).
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

    4a?? Maybe 3c...some 4b??? No clue

    tiny s-waves, coils, and spirals


    - Cleanser: CJ Daily Fix or KC Come Clean
    - Co-wash: Suave Naturals or V05
    - RO: GVP Conditioning Balm or Tresemme Naturals
    -Stylers: Garnier Pure Clean Gel, CJ Aloe Fix, KCCC


    "I remember your childhood hair....flowin' wild at the county fair" - kelley stoltz

    "and all the hours that you've been sitting at your vanity....may they carry you far from your misery" - conor oberst
  • SaraNoHSaraNoH Posts: 827Registered Users
    A lot of people like Tresemme Naturals.

    I know it's really frustrating to start going CG, what with everyone saying the "best" products are usually the ridiculously priced ones (I'm looking at you Ouidad and CJ). Instead of throwing away the product you don't like, have you tried returning them? Often times if you haven't used a ton of the product, keep the recipe and are nice they'll refund you, or at least give you store credit. You can always say you have an allergy to an ingredient (well, your HAIR does, lol).

    Can you gives us the names of the products you've tried? Maybe we can pinpoint what's making your hair problematic.
    CG Birthday: 7/25/11
    Type 3a/2c
    Dense, Fine in front Coarse in back, Low porosity
    Low-Poo: SM Moisture Retention Shampoo
    Rinse Out: Tresemme Naturals
    Leave In: ^^^^
    Stylers: AIF, Natural Silks Curly Gel
    *Desert Curly*
  • whirlyhairwhirlyhair Posts: 194Registered Users
    Are you using Tresemee Flawless Curls conditioner? If so, it is loaded with silicones, and if you are not shampooing, you can bet the silicone is building upon your hair, preventing moisture from penetrating the hair shaft. Dryness, frizz, and tangles are the result. Here are the ingredients for the Flawless Curls conditioner:
    Ingredients Water (Aqua), Stearyl Alcohol, Cyclopentasiloxane, Cetyl Alcohol, Stearamidopropyl Dimethylamine, Dimethicone, Cyclohexasiloxane, Aspartic Acid, Quatermium-18, Fragrance (Parfum), DMDM Hydantoin, Citric Acid, Isostearamidopropyl Ethyldimonium Ethosulfate, Butylphenyl Methylpropional, Limonene, Disodium EDTA, PEG-9, Amyl Cinnamal, Linalool, Geraniol, Hexyl Cinnamal, Polysorbate 20, Hydrolyzed Keratin, Thiamine HCl, Tocopheryl Acetate, Panthenol, Ascorbic Acid, Niacinamide, Biotin.
    Silicone ingredients end in -cone, -conol, or -xane. An exception is if there is PPG or PEG in front of the silicone, the PEG/PPG makes it water soluble.
    I'm sorry to say that you need to clarify with a sulfate shampoo that does not contain silicones. Most VO5 shampoos will do the trick, and can be found for under a dollar. Its important to read lables, sometimes companies are sneaky and change ingredients without warning.
    Tresemee Naturals, either the volumizing or moisture are silicone free, so you want to replace your Tresemee Curly line with a silicone free conditioner and just start over.

    RAWR!!! :angryfire::angryfire::angryfire:
    I just found out that the Garnier Fructis conditioner I'm using as a leave-in had a silicone ingredient in it! Dammit! Now I have to start ALL OVER AGAIN!

    Listen to her, OP. Be very, very, VERY careful of what you buy. One product that used to be silicone and/or sulfate-free may suddenly have them. Before you buy, look at the back label and read it. Like Lucky Charm says: Anything that ends in -cone, -xane, or -conol needs to never touch your hair if you are planning to become hardcore CG. When it comes to sulfates, read the following link : LIST OF SULFATES (PLEASE READ)!!!!!!! This is for you:) | Facebook. The ONLY time you'll ever need a sulfate-rich product is when you're washing your hair with it one last time before going full CG.
    CG since 3/11/2012

    Engaged. :love5: Wedding date: 02/26/2016

    Type 2C (Botticelli according to Curly Girl: The Handbook)
    iii Density
    Medium-Coarse Texture
    Normal Porosity
    Normal Elasticity
    HATES: Traditional sulfates/cones.
    LOVES: Lots of moisture and homemade FSG! :love10:
    (Many thanks to /home/leaving?target=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.livecurlylivefree.com%2F" class="Popup for helping me figure out my texture, porosity, and elasticity properties! Check them out sometime!)
  • SamanthascurlzSamanthascurlz Posts: 1,082Registered Users
    Definitely if you're cowashing you need to stop using anything with silicones. I second the Tresemme Naturals conditioner, about the same price, no cones to build up in your hair.

    Also, are you cowashing with Tresemme, and then also using it to detangle/condition? Because something that can save you money is using a really cheap conditioner (like the vo5 that was recommended, or suave - both cost about a dollar) to cowash, and your "nicer" conditioner to condition and detangle. This makes the nicer conditioner last longer because you're not using it to scrub and wash your scalp with, which is unnecessary.

    Also, I don't know how your hair holds up during the day - like does it get poofy and frizz but more as it dries? If so you may need some kind of holding product (which can be cheap! depending on what you need).
    thanks so much. Well I completely wash out the treseme flawless curls conditioner once Im done fnger combing it through. After I get out of the shower I use the shea moisture curl smoothie as a leave in conditioner. I've never thought of using two diff. types of conditioners to wash scalp/ detangle. But doesnt VO5 and Suave have silicones in it?
    CG, High Porosity, Fine, Low Density, Medium Elasticity
    Suave, V05, GF Go clean gel, ACV rinses, CO, and Gelatine PT.
    [URL="[url=http://www.naturallycurly.com/curltalk/members/samanthascurlz-albums-evolvement-my-hair.html]Curls[/url]"][/url]Curls
  • SamanthascurlzSamanthascurlz Posts: 1,082Registered Users
    SaraNoH wrote: »
    A lot of people like Tresemme Naturals.

    I know it's really frustrating to start going CG, what with everyone saying the "best" products are usually the ridiculously priced ones (I'm looking at you Ouidad and CJ). Instead of throwing away the product you don't like, have you tried returning them? Often times if you haven't used a ton of the product, keep the recipe and are nice they'll refund you, or at least give you store credit. You can always say you have an allergy to an ingredient (well, your HAIR does, lol).

    Can you gives us the names of the products you've tried? Maybe we can pinpoint what's making your hair problematic.
    Thank you so much this made me smile through my tears. Well Ive never thought to return bc I end up using half the bottle until i reliaze I cant take it anymore. But I seriously will try it next time. (hopefully the next product will work) And as for what Ive used, heres a list:
    Treseme flawless curls conditioner
    Herbal essences hydration condtioner
    SHea moisture curl smoothie
    Loreal gel alochol free
    John Freida Curl gel
    Salma Hayek Curl cream (sample version since the big bottle is like $12)
    Everything that I use NOW is only shea moisture and the treseme conditioner (which I JUST threw away since it has the silicone).
    CG, High Porosity, Fine, Low Density, Medium Elasticity
    Suave, V05, GF Go clean gel, ACV rinses, CO, and Gelatine PT.
    [URL="[url=http://www.naturallycurly.com/curltalk/members/samanthascurlz-albums-evolvement-my-hair.html]Curls[/url]"][/url]Curls
  • SamanthascurlzSamanthascurlz Posts: 1,082Registered Users
    whirlyhair wrote: »
    Are you using Tresemee Flawless Curls conditioner? If so, it is loaded with silicones, and if you are not shampooing, you can bet the silicone is building upon your hair, preventing moisture from penetrating the hair shaft. Dryness, frizz, and tangles are the result. Here are the ingredients for the Flawless Curls conditioner:
    Ingredients Water (Aqua), Stearyl Alcohol, Cyclopentasiloxane, Cetyl Alcohol, Stearamidopropyl Dimethylamine, Dimethicone, Cyclohexasiloxane, Aspartic Acid, Quatermium-18, Fragrance (Parfum), DMDM Hydantoin, Citric Acid, Isostearamidopropyl Ethyldimonium Ethosulfate, Butylphenyl Methylpropional, Limonene, Disodium EDTA, PEG-9, Amyl Cinnamal, Linalool, Geraniol, Hexyl Cinnamal, Polysorbate 20, Hydrolyzed Keratin, Thiamine HCl, Tocopheryl Acetate, Panthenol, Ascorbic Acid, Niacinamide, Biotin.
    Silicone ingredients end in -cone, -conol, or -xane. An exception is if there is PPG or PEG in front of the silicone, the PEG/PPG makes it water soluble.
    I'm sorry to say that you need to clarify with a sulfate shampoo that does not contain silicones. Most VO5 shampoos will do the trick, and can be found for under a dollar. Its important to read lables, sometimes companies are sneaky and change ingredients without warning.
    Tresemee Naturals, either the volumizing or moisture are silicone free, so you want to replace your Tresemee Curly line with a silicone free conditioner and just start over.

    RAWR!!! :angryfire::angryfire::angryfire:
    I just found out that the Garnier Fructis conditioner I'm using as a leave-in had a silicone ingredient in it! Dammit! Now I have to start ALL OVER AGAIN!

    Listen to her, OP. Be very, very, VERY careful of what you buy. One product that used to be silicone and/or sulfate-free may suddenly have them. Before you buy, look at the back label and read it. Like Lucky Charm says: Anything that ends in -cone, -xane, or -conol needs to never touch your hair if you are planning to become hardcore CG. When it comes to sulfates, read the following link : LIST OF SULFATES (PLEASE READ)!!!!!!! This is for you:) | Facebook. The ONLY time you'll ever need a sulfate-rich product is when you're washing your hair with it one last time before going full CG.
    Thank you so much! I do read the labels but then I get lost because I get confused at whats good and whats bad and then since money is an issue I say damn I have to get it bc its so cheap and I have no other option. Im cleraly just dumb when it comes to picking out the product but I am going to try harder at making sure none of my products have that nasty crap I am also going to make a list of the bad stuff, leave it in my purse, so when I am searching for the good stuff I know what to do when reading the label.
    CG, High Porosity, Fine, Low Density, Medium Elasticity
    Suave, V05, GF Go clean gel, ACV rinses, CO, and Gelatine PT.
    [URL="[url=http://www.naturallycurly.com/curltalk/members/samanthascurlz-albums-evolvement-my-hair.html]Curls[/url]"][/url]Curls
  • Lucky CharmLucky Charm Posts: 1,250Registered Users
    Well I completely wash out the treseme flawless curls conditioner once Im done fnger combing it through. After I get out of the shower I use the shea moisture curl smoothie as a leave in conditioner. I've never thought of using two diff. types of conditioners to wash scalp/ detangle. But doesnt VO5 and Suave have silicones in it?
    VO5 conditioners are mostly all CG, I jhavent used them in a while, but when I was first starting out, I used VO5 Tea Therapy Clairifying Conditioner to co-wash, and another, more moisturizing conditioner to rinse out. Suave 'Professionals' has cones I think, the Naturals does not. But again, you need to always check ingredients. Memorize "-cone, -conol, and -xane" as ingredients to avoid. Mineral Oil and Petrolatum should also be avoided if youre not shampooing.
    Tresemee Naturals is fine, I'm pretty positive it even says 'Silicone Free' on the front of the bottle. But dont forget, you need to do a silicone free sulfate shampoo again, otherwise this routine just wont work.

    ETA: If yuou cant return the conditioner, silicone-y conditioners make GREAT shaving lotions! No need for it to go to waste!
    - 2C - Coarse Canopy & med/fine underlayers
    - MOP C Hydrating 'poo
    - LOreal Natures Therapy Moisturizing condish, ION Effective Care, Garnier S&S (old formula)
    - treatments: CJ Curl Rehab, CJ Repair Me!
    - plopping, diffusing, and clipping the roots
  • SamanthascurlzSamanthascurlz Posts: 1,082Registered Users
    Well I completely wash out the treseme flawless curls conditioner once Im done fnger combing it through. After I get out of the shower I use the shea moisture curl smoothie as a leave in conditioner. I've never thought of using two diff. types of conditioners to wash scalp/ detangle. But doesnt VO5 and Suave have silicones in it?
    VO5 conditioners are mostly all CG, I jhavent used them in a while, but when I was first starting out, I used VO5 Tea Therapy Clairifying Conditioner to co-wash, and another, more moisturizing conditioner to rinse out. Suave 'Professionals' has cones I think, the Naturals does not. But again, you need to always check ingredients. Memorize "-cone, -conol, and -xane" as ingredients to avoid. Mineral Oil and Petrolatum should also be avoided if youre not shampooing.
    Tresemee Naturals is fine, I'm pretty positive it even says 'Silicone Free' on the front of the bottle. But dont forget, you need to do a silicone free sulfate shampoo again, otherwise this routine just wont work.
    Ok, thanks for the advice I just wrote down all the bad ingredients and am going to leave in my purse. So does VO5 have a good sulfate free shampoo then?
    CG, High Porosity, Fine, Low Density, Medium Elasticity
    Suave, V05, GF Go clean gel, ACV rinses, CO, and Gelatine PT.
    [URL="[url=http://www.naturallycurly.com/curltalk/members/samanthascurlz-albums-evolvement-my-hair.html]Curls[/url]"][/url]Curls
  • triple_spiraltriple_spiral Posts: 249Registered Users
    Definitely if you're cowashing you need to stop using anything with silicones. I second the Tresemme Naturals conditioner, about the same price, no cones to build up in your hair.

    Also, are you cowashing with Tresemme, and then also using it to detangle/condition? Because something that can save you money is using a really cheap conditioner (like the vo5 that was recommended, or suave - both cost about a dollar) to cowash, and your "nicer" conditioner to condition and detangle. This makes the nicer conditioner last longer because you're not using it to scrub and wash your scalp with, which is unnecessary.

    Also, I don't know how your hair holds up during the day - like does it get poofy and frizz but more as it dries? If so you may need some kind of holding product (which can be cheap! depending on what you need).
    thanks so much. Well I completely wash out the treseme flawless curls conditioner once Im done fnger combing it through. After I get out of the shower I use the shea moisture curl smoothie as a leave in conditioner. I've never thought of using two diff. types of conditioners to wash scalp/ detangle. But doesnt VO5 and Suave have silicones in it?

    V05 are cone-free, same for most Suave (check first, though!). I think the idea is to use one conditioner like you would shampoo - scrub your scalp, clean your hair. I find that cheap, watery conditioners work best for this. Then, once your hair is clean and the cheap conditiner is washed out, I use my "nice" conditioner like a normal conditioner, to make my hair soft and to brush/detangle it.

    Make sure you use a sulfate shampoo that doesn't have any cones first - it will get rid of all the cones in your hair so you can start "fresh"!
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

    4a?? Maybe 3c...some 4b??? No clue

    tiny s-waves, coils, and spirals


    - Cleanser: CJ Daily Fix or KC Come Clean
    - Co-wash: Suave Naturals or V05
    - RO: GVP Conditioning Balm or Tresemme Naturals
    -Stylers: Garnier Pure Clean Gel, CJ Aloe Fix, KCCC


    "I remember your childhood hair....flowin' wild at the county fair" - kelley stoltz

    "and all the hours that you've been sitting at your vanity....may they carry you far from your misery" - conor oberst
  • SamanthascurlzSamanthascurlz Posts: 1,082Registered Users
    Definitely if you're cowashing you need to stop using anything with silicones. I second the Tresemme Naturals conditioner, about the same price, no cones to build up in your hair.

    Also, are you cowashing with Tresemme, and then also using it to detangle/condition? Because something that can save you money is using a really cheap conditioner (like the vo5 that was recommended, or suave - both cost about a dollar) to cowash, and your "nicer" conditioner to condition and detangle. This makes the nicer conditioner last longer because you're not using it to scrub and wash your scalp with, which is unnecessary.

    Also, I don't know how your hair holds up during the day - like does it get poofy and frizz but more as it dries? If so you may need some kind of holding product (which can be cheap! depending on what you need).
    thanks so much. Well I completely wash out the treseme flawless curls conditioner once Im done fnger combing it through. After I get out of the shower I use the shea moisture curl smoothie as a leave in conditioner. I've never thought of using two diff. types of conditioners to wash scalp/ detangle. But doesnt VO5 and Suave have silicones in it?

    V05 are cone-free, same for most Suave (check first, though!). I think the idea is to use one conditioner like you would shampoo - scrub your scalp, clean your hair. I find that cheap, watery conditioners work best for this. Then, once your hair is clean and the cheap conditiner is washed out, I use my "nice" conditioner like a normal conditioner, to make my hair soft and to brush/detangle it.

    Make sure you use a sulfate shampoo that doesn't have any cones first - it will get rid of all the cones in your hair so you can start "fresh"!
    Thank you again, Yes I see about the starting fresh, well hopefully at some point today I can find a sulftae free shampoo to clean out my hair of silicones and then I will use nothing but sulfate free, silicone free and all that other bad stuff from then on
    CG, High Porosity, Fine, Low Density, Medium Elasticity
    Suave, V05, GF Go clean gel, ACV rinses, CO, and Gelatine PT.
    [URL="[url=http://www.naturallycurly.com/curltalk/members/samanthascurlz-albums-evolvement-my-hair.html]Curls[/url]"][/url]Curls
  • whirlyhairwhirlyhair Posts: 194Registered Users
    Thank you so much! I do read the labels but then I get lost because I get confused at whats good and whats bad and then since money is an issue I say damn I have to get it bc its so cheap and I have no other option. Im cleraly just dumb when it comes to picking out the product but I am going to try harder at making sure none of my products have that nasty crap I am also going to make a list of the bad stuff, leave it in my purse, so when I am searching for the good stuff I know what to do when reading the label.

    When you do your last sulfate wash, I would strongly recommend a clarifying shampoo with the ingredient "sodium lauryl sulfate", which is the harshest sulfate out there. I just came back from the shower washing my hair with a clarifying shampoo that has the harsh ingredient I just mentioned, and so I'm quite confident that any silicones that was in my hair is pretty much gone and dead.

    After that last wash, go ahead and apply the CG friendly conditioner. There are so many ingridients out there, you're right... so I'll make this simple once more: Anything that ends in -cones, -xanes, -colons, -fates or -phates should NEVER touch your hair once you go CG. Ever. No ifs, ands, or buts. I thought my hair was doing good until I realize that my "flyaway frizz" problem that I kept having was from that DAMN Garnier conditioner that I thought was CG friendly but it looks like it's suddenly not anymore. :angry7: Be careful, I say!

    The Curly Girl book by Lorraine Massey stresses on only buying two essential items: A conditioner and styling gel. That's another thing... Your hair gel should NOT have silicones (again), and it should also be alcohol free, and have little-to-no fragrance. A clear tinted gel is preferred. An ideal gel should have these two ingredients (I have used a CG friendly gel before without these ingredients and had no issues, but just in case): PVP (polyvinylpyrrolidone) and PVP/VA (vinyl acrylate)

    You do not have to waste a lot of money to buy CG friendly products. You can find them in your local drugstore without blowing a hole in your wallet. That's what I'm trying to do and so far my hair and wallet are cheerful.

    Good luck!
    CG since 3/11/2012

    Engaged. :love5: Wedding date: 02/26/2016

    Type 2C (Botticelli according to Curly Girl: The Handbook)
    iii Density
    Medium-Coarse Texture
    Normal Porosity
    Normal Elasticity
    HATES: Traditional sulfates/cones.
    LOVES: Lots of moisture and homemade FSG! :love10:
    (Many thanks to /home/leaving?target=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.livecurlylivefree.com%2F" class="Popup for helping me figure out my texture, porosity, and elasticity properties! Check them out sometime!)
  • triple_spiraltriple_spiral Posts: 249Registered Users
    wrote:
    ETA: If yuou cant return the conditioner, silicone-y conditioners make GREAT shaving lotions! No need for it to go to waste!

    OMG, YES! I haven't used shaving cream in almost two years...any conditioner I don't like becomes my new shaving cream (i think they actually work BETTER than most creams, i haven't cut myself once since doing this!).
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

    4a?? Maybe 3c...some 4b??? No clue

    tiny s-waves, coils, and spirals


    - Cleanser: CJ Daily Fix or KC Come Clean
    - Co-wash: Suave Naturals or V05
    - RO: GVP Conditioning Balm or Tresemme Naturals
    -Stylers: Garnier Pure Clean Gel, CJ Aloe Fix, KCCC


    "I remember your childhood hair....flowin' wild at the county fair" - kelley stoltz

    "and all the hours that you've been sitting at your vanity....may they carry you far from your misery" - conor oberst
  • amandamarieamandamarie Posts: 240Registered Users
    thanks so much. Well I completely wash out the treseme flawless curls conditioner once Im done fnger combing it through. After I get out of the shower I use the shea moisture curl smoothie as a leave in conditioner. I've never thought of using two diff. types of conditioners to wash scalp/ detangle. But doesnt VO5 and Suave have silicones in it?

    V05 are cone-free, same for most Suave (check first, though!). I think the idea is to use one conditioner like you would shampoo - scrub your scalp, clean your hair. I find that cheap, watery conditioners work best for this. Then, once your hair is clean and the cheap conditiner is washed out, I use my "nice" conditioner like a normal conditioner, to make my hair soft and to brush/detangle it.

    Make sure you use a sulfate shampoo that doesn't have any cones first - it will get rid of all the cones in your hair so you can start "fresh"!
    Thank you again, Yes I see about the starting fresh, well hopefully at some point today I can find a sulftae free shampoo to clean out my hair of silicones and then I will use nothing but sulfate free, silicone free and all that other bad stuff from then on

    No no no, you actually want to clean all the silicone out of your hair one last time using sulfates so that you don't end up with the same problem! So don't worry about making your shampoo sulfate free this one final time.

    If I were you, I'd either check your old stuff or go into the sample aisle of the drugstore, where they sell the little bitty bottles of shampoos and stuff, and look for a shampoo that has sodium laurel/laureth sulfate as one of the very top ingredients but DOES NOT contain any of the silicones everyone else mentioned to avoid above. Use it tonight or tomorrow and then never again! That way, you'll have a clean slate, and as long as you stick with the products listed above, you should be okay!
    2a/b (really thick but sort of fine with pretty weak waves), medium-to-fine texture, normal porosity (I think). Doesn't seem to like protein.

    Favorite products: Kinky-Curly Knot Today, Kinky-Curly Curling Custard, Curl Junkie Curls in a Bottle, Curl Junkie Curl Rehab, Curl Junkie Curl Assurance Smoothing Lotion, Shea Moisture Curl and Style Milk, homemade flaxseed gel.

    Still looking for a cleanser I like. :dontknow:
  • SaraNoHSaraNoH Posts: 827Registered Users
    oh also, use the product search. Make it your best friend. Seriously. That feature on the site has saved me time at buying product. Do your research at home, write down the product you want, go to the store, quickly check the back and buy.

    I always hear stories of girls taking pages and pages and pages of ingredients to avoid with them to the store, when it's completely unnecessary. You'll look ridiculous, and believe it or not the store employees will see it as fishy when you're hanging around 1 section for 30 minutes. Everything you need is at your finger tips if you use the product search.

    Also, read read read read read siggies. There's a good handful of CG products that are routinely used by others on NC.
    CG Birthday: 7/25/11
    Type 3a/2c
    Dense, Fine in front Coarse in back, Low porosity
    Low-Poo: SM Moisture Retention Shampoo
    Rinse Out: Tresemme Naturals
    Leave In: ^^^^
    Stylers: AIF, Natural Silks Curly Gel
    *Desert Curly*
  • crazywavescrazywaves Posts: 582Registered Users
    Dont forget how important technique is to. For me its more important than what product I use. Applying product to soaking wet hair is the only way I get any clumps.

    First product I use defines my curls. Right now thats a mousse. I let the mousse absorb into my hair for a few minutes before I scrunch out the excess water. This takes 2 flour sack towels to achieve that. I then add some gel after air drying for about 30 minutes. I let my hair finish air drying and then sotc after its totally dry.

    You dont have to pay alot for a product there are alot of store products that work really well. The only product I spend alot on is my leave in conditioner. I havent found a better one than shecentit coco cream.
  • curlangel0690curlangel0690 Posts: 172Registered Users
    Also try and be patient with your hair. I'm a year in and I still want to shave it off pretty regularly. It took a good 3-4 months before my hair got used to the changes I was making and stopped fighting with me. It does get better but the one thing I learned is sometimes simple is best. I wasted too much money trying to find all the "perfect" products for my hair only to find that once my hair was healthy it hated the products. I wish I had concentrated more on not using silicones, parabens, and sulfates and making sure my hair was moisturized before I tried to find the HG products. Now I have a bunch of products that don't work for me and all because I paid attention to getting the best before I even knew anything about my hair.
    "I'm not high maintenance, my hair is."
    3c mostly fine, high to normal porosity, medium density, normal elasticity

    Co-Wash- VO5 Vanilla Mint Tea, TreSemme Naturals
    LowPoo- GTTT
    RO- GVP Conditioning Balm
    LI- Giovanni Direct Leave In, GVP Conditioning Balm,
    Stylers- KMFUM, Eco Styler Krystal, AOMMM, UFDCM,
    Oils- Jojoba, Sweet Almond, Coconut
    PT- IAGirl's Gelatin PT
    DC- AS I Am Hydrating Mask
  • SamanthascurlzSamanthascurlz Posts: 1,082Registered Users
    whirlyhair wrote: »
    Thank you so much! I do read the labels but then I get lost because I get confused at whats good and whats bad and then since money is an issue I say damn I have to get it bc its so cheap and I have no other option. Im cleraly just dumb when it comes to picking out the product but I am going to try harder at making sure none of my products have that nasty crap I am also going to make a list of the bad stuff, leave it in my purse, so when I am searching for the good stuff I know what to do when reading the label.

    When you do your last sulfate wash, I would strongly recommend a clarifying shampoo with the ingredient "sodium lauryl sulfate", which is the harshest sulfate out there. I just came back from the shower washing my hair with a clarifying shampoo that has the harsh ingredient I just mentioned, and so I'm quite confident that any silicones that was in my hair is pretty much gone and dead.

    After that last wash, go ahead and apply the CG friendly conditioner. There are so many ingridients out there, you're right... so I'll make this simple once more: Anything that ends in -cones, -xanes, -colons, -fates or -phates should NEVER touch your hair once you go CG. Ever. No ifs, ands, or buts. I thought my hair was doing good until I realize that my "flyaway frizz" problem that I kept having was from that DAMN Garnier conditioner that I thought was CG friendly but it looks like it's suddenly not anymore. :angry7: Be careful, I say!

    The Curly Girl book by Lorraine Massey stresses on only buying two essential items: A conditioner and styling gel. That's another thing... Your hair gel should NOT have silicones (again), and it should also be alcohol free, and have little-to-no fragrance. A clear tinted gel is preferred. An ideal gel should have these two ingredients (I have used a CG friendly gel before without these ingredients and had no issues, but just in case): PVP (polyvinylpyrrolidone) and PVP/VA (vinyl acrylate)

    You do not have to waste a lot of money to buy CG friendly products. You can find them in your local drugstore without blowing a hole in your wallet. That's what I'm trying to do and so far my hair and wallet are cheerful.

    Good luck!
    Thank you for clarifying that for me. I will do so, I also bought the treseme naturals and will do that after I wash my hair with the sulfate shampoo.
    CG, High Porosity, Fine, Low Density, Medium Elasticity
    Suave, V05, GF Go clean gel, ACV rinses, CO, and Gelatine PT.
    [URL="[url=http://www.naturallycurly.com/curltalk/members/samanthascurlz-albums-evolvement-my-hair.html]Curls[/url]"][/url]Curls
  • SamanthascurlzSamanthascurlz Posts: 1,082Registered Users
    wrote:
    eta: If yuou cant return the conditioner, silicone-y conditioners make great shaving lotions! No need for it to go to waste!

    omg, yes! I haven't used shaving cream in almost two years...any conditioner i don't like becomes my new shaving cream (i think they actually work better than most creams, i haven't cut myself once since doing this!).
    will do! Thanks for the tip :)
    CG, High Porosity, Fine, Low Density, Medium Elasticity
    Suave, V05, GF Go clean gel, ACV rinses, CO, and Gelatine PT.
    [URL="[url=http://www.naturallycurly.com/curltalk/members/samanthascurlz-albums-evolvement-my-hair.html]Curls[/url]"][/url]Curls
  • SamanthascurlzSamanthascurlz Posts: 1,082Registered Users
    Also try and be patient with your hair. I'm a year in and I still want to shave it off pretty regularly. It took a good 3-4 months before my hair got used to the changes I was making and stopped fighting with me. It does get better but the one thing I learned is sometimes simple is best. I wasted too much money trying to find all the "perfect" products for my hair only to find that once my hair was healthy it hated the products. I wish I had concentrated more on not using silicones, parabens, and sulfates and making sure my hair was moisturized before I tried to find the HG products. Now I have a bunch of products that don't work for me and all because I paid attention to getting the best before I even knew anything about my hair.

    Thanks so much, youre right. Its so frustrating so sometimes I just want to give up, but that is why i am so happy to be here and have all these beautiful and wonderful curly girls like yourself to help me.
    CG, High Porosity, Fine, Low Density, Medium Elasticity
    Suave, V05, GF Go clean gel, ACV rinses, CO, and Gelatine PT.
    [URL="[url=http://www.naturallycurly.com/curltalk/members/samanthascurlz-albums-evolvement-my-hair.html]Curls[/url]"][/url]Curls
  • SamanthascurlzSamanthascurlz Posts: 1,082Registered Users
    SaraNoH wrote: »
    oh also, use the product search. Make it your best friend. Seriously. That feature on the site has saved me time at buying product. Do your research at home, write down the product you want, go to the store, quickly check the back and buy.

    I always hear stories of girls taking pages and pages and pages of ingredients to avoid with them to the store, when it's completely unnecessary. You'll look ridiculous, and believe it or not the store employees will see it as fishy when you're hanging around 1 section for 30 minutes. Everything you need is at your finger tips if you use the product search.

    Also, read read read read read siggies. There's a good handful of CG products that are routinely used by others on NC.
    Thank you so much! That is so true bc I serisously can not be standing in an aisle examining each and every product. Much better on my spare time at home!
    CG, High Porosity, Fine, Low Density, Medium Elasticity
    Suave, V05, GF Go clean gel, ACV rinses, CO, and Gelatine PT.
    [URL="[url=http://www.naturallycurly.com/curltalk/members/samanthascurlz-albums-evolvement-my-hair.html]Curls[/url]"][/url]Curls
  • LovethesecurlsLovethesecurls Posts: 11Registered Users
    Cheap and good products

    1.) VO5 moisture milk ($1)

    2.) Suave ($2.87)

    3.) Suave naturals ($1)

    4.) Aussie ($3)

    Stylers:
    Try Kinky Curly curling custard and Knot today both about $12

    Eco styler gel is BIG and only $4
    Very good definer!!

    Also, get headbands, bows, hats. To distract bad hair days


    Sent from my HTC Wildfire S using CurlTalk App
  • SystemSystem Posts: 39,059 Administrator
    I was going to suggest Suave or VO5. The great thing about the 99 cent shampoos and conditioners are that you can use them for shaving, washing delicate clothing or a body wash. And you can try several and it's not going to cost too much.
  • smasters467smasters467 Posts: 527Registered Users
    It's should also been noted that full on CG isn't for everyone. There a lot of ladies on the boards who are modified CG, meaning they use water soluble cones, and/or low poo on a regular basis. I fall more into a modified category than a full CG one. My hair looks better that way, and although I'm still careful about ingredients I don't have to start all over if I miss something. Since I low poo, it doesn't matter if I use cones occasionally, my low poo will get rid of them anyway.

    OP you really haven't been CG very long, and as hard as it may be to hear, sometimes it takes a while for your hair to adjust to no sulfates, and to get properly moisturized. Hang in there, it does get easier. Learn as much as you can about your hair; what it likes or doesn't, it's texture, etc., and once you do it makes the rest of it a lot easier to figure out.
    How's My Hair?
    Review: L'Oreal Evercreme Cleansing Conditioner
    Review: Yes To Carrots Nourishing Shampoo & Pampering Conditioner + 35% off at YTC.com

    3a-b, fine & medium texture, medium-high porosity from years of damaging. I'm addicted to changing my hair color.
    Cleansing: No-Poo, Elucence MBS, YTC Poo,
    Conditioner: One Condition, JC Too Shea!, YTC Condish, Elucence MBC, Joico Daily, KCKT
    Styling: KCCC, LALPS, BRHG, Biotera Gel
    SMB Photography
  • ninja dogninja dog Posts: 23,780Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    Also, if you try a product and it's not for you and you can't return it, try swapping or selling here; that's how I "sample" new products all the time.
  • triple_spiraltriple_spiral Posts: 249Registered Users
    Cheap and good products

    1.) VO5 moisture milk ($1)

    2.) Suave ($2.87)

    3.) Suave naturals ($1)

    4.) Aussie ($3)

    Stylers:
    Try Kinky Curly curling custard and Knot today both about $12

    Eco styler gel is BIG and only $4
    Very good definer!!

    Also, get headbands, bows, hats. To distract bad hair days


    Sent from my HTC Wildfire S using CurlTalk App

    I could be wrong, but doesn't Aussie stuff have cones?

    That said I've tried everything on this list one way or another, all of it is pretty good! I would add LA Looks and La Bella gels to the cheap stylers list (about 3/4 dollars for a big tub).
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

    4a?? Maybe 3c...some 4b??? No clue

    tiny s-waves, coils, and spirals


    - Cleanser: CJ Daily Fix or KC Come Clean
    - Co-wash: Suave Naturals or V05
    - RO: GVP Conditioning Balm or Tresemme Naturals
    -Stylers: Garnier Pure Clean Gel, CJ Aloe Fix, KCCC


    "I remember your childhood hair....flowin' wild at the county fair" - kelley stoltz

    "and all the hours that you've been sitting at your vanity....may they carry you far from your misery" - conor oberst
  • kimmidawnkimmidawn Posts: 900Registered Users
    Cheap and good products

    1.) VO5 moisture milk ($1)

    2.) Suave ($2.87)

    3.) Suave naturals ($1)

    4.) Aussie ($3)

    Stylers:
    Try Kinky Curly curling custard and Knot today both about $12

    Eco styler gel is BIG and only $4
    Very good definer!!

    Also, get headbands, bows, hats. To distract bad hair days


    Sent from my HTC Wildfire S using CurlTalk App

    I could be wrong, but doesn't Aussie stuff have cones?

    That said I've tried everything on this list one way or another, all of it is pretty good! I would add LA Looks and La Bella gels to the cheap stylers list (about 3/4 dollars for a big tub).

    Yes, I agree with all of these except I think some of the Aussie products have cones so you would need to search for specific products. Do you have any idea of what your hair qualities are? Is you hair fine, medium, or coarse texture? That's the actual hair strand, not how much hair you have(density). Also what is your porosity and elasticity? Those can help determine which products will work best with your hair.

    As for a good cheap cowash, I personally like V05 Kiwi Lime. Also, for my rinse out, I have to echo everyone else and vote for Tresemme Naturals. My hair is fine so it doesn't like anything too heavy.
    2b, fine texture, normal porosity & elasticity (CG as of 12/2011)

    Low-poo: UFD Rich & Funky
    Cowash: VO5 Kiwi Lime
    RO: Tresemme Naturals, Aubrey Organics GPB, Ion Effective Care, MillCreek Keratin
    PT/DT: IAgirl's PT, GVP CB
    LI: KCKT, Cure Care, CJ CCCC Lite
    Styling: Curl Keeper, As I Am Jelly, UFD Curly Magic, CJ Curl Queen, TIGI Strong Hold Mousse


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    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
    ^^ day 1 of going CG; avatar = 6 months later
  • SamanthascurlzSamanthascurlz Posts: 1,082Registered Users
    Thanks everyone! I bought tresseme
    Naturals and maybe I will try la Bella gel bc that is super cheap for such a
    big bottle. I definetly have fine hair. And idk what perosity is and how to tell what my hair is.
    CG, High Porosity, Fine, Low Density, Medium Elasticity
    Suave, V05, GF Go clean gel, ACV rinses, CO, and Gelatine PT.
    [URL="[url=http://www.naturallycurly.com/curltalk/members/samanthascurlz-albums-evolvement-my-hair.html]Curls[/url]"][/url]Curls
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