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Dry climate :(

CurlyBangsCurlyBangs Posts: 50Registered Users
I got my haircut over Spring Break in Kentucky. My hair had never been so beautiful and full of curls. (see avatar and attached pic sorry for the icky definition) But now that I'm back in Colorado, my hair has gone into this whirly mess. I use the DevaCurl 3 step system. What products/DTs/DIY treatments can I get to put the moisture back in my hair?
2c whirly curls, low porosity, medium texture/density

Experimenting, as usual. I've found that these products work well:

Low-poo: Giovanni Tea Tree Triple Treat shampoo and KC Come Clean shampoo
Cowash: CJ Daily Fix
RO: KCKT, DC OneC,
LI: KCKT (rarely used as a LI)
Stylers: CJ CiaB, KCSS, and homemade flax seed gel (FSG is a total HG btw!!)


Chopped off 12 inches of my hair on 3-22-14

:color: Colorado Whirly :color:
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  • oh.hi.its.stephoh.hi.its.steph Posts: 640Registered Users
    I find Deva products very drying, and also very expensive. Would you be willing to use other products? I know of a TON of drugstore products and high-end ones that are extremely moisturizing :)

    It would also help to know your hair properties; hair type helps some but it isn't everything. Is your hair fine, medium, or coarse? Low-porosity (generally, hair that is very "healthy" and hasn't been heat damaged, color treated, etc. although this may vary), normal porosity or high porosity (generally hair that is very damaged due to heat, chemical processes, etc although some people can have naturally high porosity hair)? Thick or thin?
    whurly girly (2C/3A).
    thick; medium/coarse; low porosity.
    hair that is drier than the sahara desert.

    LOW-POO: Renpure Organics
    CO: L'Oreal EverCreme Cleansing Conditioner
    RO: Renpure Keratin Conditioner. New HG!
    LI: L'Oreal EverSleek Humidity-Defying LI Creme
    Styling: SM Curl Milk, Argan Oil for sealing, sometimes GFPC Gel, some honey for hold, TIGI Control Freak Serum!!
  • CurlyBangsCurlyBangs Posts: 50Registered Users
    I guess Deva might adapt to the climate around you perhaps? I dunno. This humectants stuff is confusing. I just wish Colorado had high humidity because it worked so well over Spring Break. Should I use something that doesn't have humectants to counter it?

    Low porosity
    Medium-fine
    Heat free for almost a year, except I rarely dry with a diffuser on cool
    Closer to thin than thick
    2c whirly curls, low porosity, medium texture/density

    Experimenting, as usual. I've found that these products work well:

    Low-poo: Giovanni Tea Tree Triple Treat shampoo and KC Come Clean shampoo
    Cowash: CJ Daily Fix
    RO: KCKT, DC OneC,
    LI: KCKT (rarely used as a LI)
    Stylers: CJ CiaB, KCSS, and homemade flax seed gel (FSG is a total HG btw!!)


    Chopped off 12 inches of my hair on 3-22-14

    :color: Colorado Whirly :color:
  • swtndspcyswtndspcy Posts: 692Registered Users
    Humectants will pull moisture out of hair in dry climates. So it may be worthwhile to try to limit those. You may also find sealing helpful. You apply an oil on wet or damp hair to seal in moisture. This way the dry air doesn't suck it from your hair.
  • Touch.of.inkTouch.of.ink Posts: 297Registered Users
    I find Deva products very drying, and also very expensive. Would you be willing to use other products? I know of a TON of drugstore products and high-end ones that are extremely moisturizing :)

    I don't know about anyone else, but I'd love to hear your recommendations for moisturizing products (especially drugstore ones). I have very fine hair that loves high dew points, and I live in a desert, so I'm always trying to get more moisture into my hair! :)
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
    Hair: Very fine, normal porous (Finally! Yay!), normal elasticity, loves high dew points.
    Daily: Nature's Gate Tea Tree shampoo, GVP CB, Cure Care conditioner, aloe vera gel, Jessicurls products, Spiral Solutions products.
    Monthly: Henna
    As needed: John Masters Organics Sea Mist
    HG Product: BioSilk Rock Hard Gelee (aka BRHG. It even has HG in the name!)
    Last perm: 12/10/10
    CG since: 3/9/12
    Last haircut: 4/17/12
    Gossamer Fringe (my blog)
  • beeduhbeeduh Posts: 684Registered Users
    Deva products are full of protein, and a lot of them have glycerin pretty high on the list (which is a humectant). This could be why they are making your hair dry. I live in a high humidity climate (Alabama) and I have a few devacurl products (curl cream, B'leav in gel, and arc angel) that I've used a couple of times. I like them ok, but I have others that are much cheaper that work well on my hair as well. My hair is thin, but I have a good bit of it. It's not very thick though, so I'm going to say overall thickness is between fine and medium density.

    I've read that a lot of dry climate people like the Aussie Instant Freeze gel. Some can get away with LA Looks SPorts gel (this can be drying as well). Here's my CG product list so far.

    Biotera Firm Hold Gel
    LA Bella Curls Gel
    LA Looks Sports Gel
    LA Looks VaVaVolume (haven't tried)
    LA Looks Mega Beachy Waves (haven't tried)
    LA Looks Nutracurl (I'm undecided about this)
    LA Looks Curl Gel (I think this is discontinued, but I found a bottle of it at Rite Aid.)
    Curls Goddess Curls
    Kinky Curly Spiral Spritz
    Giovanni Thickening Gel (one of my favorites)
    EcoStyler (the clear kind. also a favorite)
    Shea Moisture Curling Milk, Smoothie, Souffle (the milk is my favorite)
    Shea Moisture Biotin Thickening Milk, Biotin Thickening Spray (I like the spray. Still unsure about the thickening milk.)
    Pantene Curl Gel
    Pantene Mousse for thin hair
    Aussie Instant Freeze Gel (Used this a lot before CG)
    Aussie Instant Freeze Mousse
    Herbel Essence Totally Twisted Gel
    Herbel Essence Tously Me Softly Mousse
    One n' Only Argan Oil Volumizing Mousse
    Organix Moroccan Curl Defining Cream
    L'orel EverSleek Humidity Defining Cream (Haven't used it yet)
    Devacurl Curl Creme, B'Leave In Gel, ArcAngel Gel

    This is all I can remember from the top of my head. I hope this helps. Also, if your climate is dry, you might want to try a LI if you don't already. I think I might have to stop using one for the summer here, but what I've been using are Tresemme Naturals and Sauve Naturals.
    CG as of Feb. 2012
    combination hair.
    2c on top - low elasticity
    3a&b scattered underneath - normal elasticity.
    fine texture. thin density. A lot of it.
    porosity: normal to high.
    loves protein and moisture.
    BSACV as needed.

    products may vary. i'm a PJ.
    loving Curl Junkie, Curly Kinks, and AS I Am.
  • missbanjomissbanjo Posts: 3,088Registered Users
    My hair isn't a fan of Deva products here in Colorado. Here is my list of current favorite products:

    Shea Moisture Moisture Retention shampoo
    SheaM Curl & Shine shampoo
    Garnier Fructis Pure Clean shampoo (clarify once a week)
    As I Am coconut cowash (once a week otherwise too much)
    Yes to Carrots Conditioner (rinse out, new but I'm liking it so far)
    Ion Effective Care (PT or IAgirls PT)
    SheaM Curl & Style Hair Milk (leave-in)
    Max Green Alchemy Styling gel
    Biosilk Rock Hard Gelee (holding gel)
    AG Re:Coil (c/e, cream)
    SheaM Curl Enhancing Smoothie (c/e, cream)
    **only the last 2 have glycerin**

    I don't use all at once of course. Usually there's the leave-in, styling gel, curl enhancer/cream and holding gel after poo/cowash, etc. The 2 c/e's I rotate and they do have glycerin down on the list, 6th I think on the CES and I believe Re:coil is even further down. I don't use either of those in the winter and I'm racking my brain to figure what the heck I used this winter for c/e but for some reason I can't remember (it'll come to me later). I've been trying Biotera curl creme again for c/e since my regimen has changed dramatically since I last used it but I'm still not wowed by it and I think it's leaving little glops that soak in or dry up, not sure which but it's gone by the time my hair is dry. I won't repurchase it.
    Southern Colorado Curly
    Mix of 2s med-low porosity, med-fine texture, lots of hair
  • missbanjomissbanjo Posts: 3,088Registered Users
    Oh and I forgot Cure Care from Sally's. It's a lightweight conditioner. Some use it as a leave-in, rinse out, and/or cowash. I like it as a light rinse out if I don't need a thick one but I really like it mixed with AIA cowash.
    Southern Colorado Curly
    Mix of 2s med-low porosity, med-fine texture, lots of hair
  • jsuzkelleyjsuzkelley Posts: 610Registered Users
    missbanjo - awesome to find another Colorado curly! I started a thread in the 3a forum looking for product recommendations for dry climate before I found this thread.
    beeduh mentioned the Shea Moisture products as well, so I'm planning to try those - just having a hard time finding the items I want in stock on the ground.

    I had a deva cut a few months ago, and loved the low-poo and One C at the salon, but since I ordered the One C for home, I haven't been too impressed (the smell is WAY too strong and lemony - yuck.) I haven't tried any of the DevaCurl styling products as my stylist didn't think I'd be too impressed with them.

    I've been trying to find a good curl enhancing cream, but I noticed that a lot of them have glycerin in them. I've tried some Darcy's Botanicals creams so far - my hair does feel moisturized, but there still seems to be some frizz unless I use a ton of product, and them my hair feels weighed down and less curly/bouncy (my hair is on the fine side of normal). I didn't look to see where glycerin was on the list, so maybe that's the issue. I've wanted to try the AG Re:Coil, but wanted to find someone in a dry climate to see how there hair reacted to it.

    Here are some pics of my hair in a pretty natural state - I had just done my weekly cleanse/DT and then used a little KCKT for LI and dime-sized amount of Ouidad Climate Control gel (received a sample of this in the mail) on soaking wet hair before I plopped and air-dried. My hair was really soft and manageable without too much frizz, but I'd like a little more curl definition and shine - any suggestions?
    2c/3a, botticelli/wavy/'swavy (huh?)
    fine, dense, normal porosity/elasticity, dry climate
    My favorite brands are Kinky Curly, As I am, Curly Kinks, Curl Junkie, and Darcy's Botanicals. Also love sealing with oils (loving argan oil right now) and styling with jelly products (KCCC is my current favorite). Mostly trying to keep it simple!
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

    CG since 12/29/2011 :laughing6:
  • CurlsnswirlsCurlsnswirls Posts: 865Registered Users
    I'd like to see what other curlies use in dry climates. Do you use the same products year round? What are your favorites? It looks like our average dew points are int the twenties or so :(.
  • MyNameMyName Posts: 63Registered Users
    I don't have anything helpful to add, I'm too new. But I live in a dry climate too, panhandle of Texas. Still experimenting. :)
    2a canopy with 2b underneath.
    Fine hair, low elasticity,
    Hair dislikes oil
    Live in dry climate
  • jsuzkelleyjsuzkelley Posts: 610Registered Users
    It's been a little while since I last posted in this thread so I wanted to give an update. I've done some experimenting and finally found a pretty consistent routine.

    I've eliminated glycerin as much as possible (still some occasionally, but only in products I rinse out and not in stuff I leave in or style with) as this ingredient can cause frizz/dryness in low dews. I also started eliminating proteins (some seems okay, specifically silk protein seems to agree with my hair) and aloe (my hair does not like aloe in styling products). I think these things helped get rid of the frizzy, dry, crunchy feeling I was experiencing. I also starting sealing with oil and making homemade FSG - loving both of these! And recently tried the SN everlasting sunshine condish - works great for my hair (no protein, aloe or glycerin). I also like the SM coconut & hibiscus curl & style milk ( but not the smoothie). I think the main things that have worked for me living in a dry climate are avoiding glycerin, sealing with oil before I style, and the FSG. This helps keep the moisture in my hair all day, and leaves it very soft and shiny.

    HTH!




    Sent from my iPhone using CurlTalk
    2c/3a, botticelli/wavy/'swavy (huh?)
    fine, dense, normal porosity/elasticity, dry climate
    My favorite brands are Kinky Curly, As I am, Curly Kinks, Curl Junkie, and Darcy's Botanicals. Also love sealing with oils (loving argan oil right now) and styling with jelly products (KCCC is my current favorite). Mostly trying to keep it simple!
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

    CG since 12/29/2011 :laughing6:
  • CurlsnswirlsCurlsnswirls Posts: 865Registered Users
    jsuzkelley wrote: »
    It's been a little while since I last posted in this thread so I wanted to give an update. I've done some experimenting and finally found a pretty consistent routine.

    I've eliminated glycerin as much as possible (still some occasionally, but only in products I rinse out and not in stuff I leave in or style with) as this ingredient can cause frizz/dryness in low dews. I also started eliminating proteins (some seems okay, specifically silk protein seems to agree with my hair) and aloe (my hair does not like aloe in styling products). I think these things helped get rid of the frizzy, dry, crunchy feeling I was experiencing. I also starting sealing with oil and making homemade FSG - loving both of these! And recently tried the SN everlasting sunshine condish - works great for my hair (no protein, aloe or glycerin). I also like the SM coconut & hibiscus curl & style milk ( but not the smoothie). I think the main things that have worked for me living in a dry climate are avoiding glycerin, sealing with oil before I style, and the FSG. This helps keep the moisture in my hair all day, and leaves it very soft and shiny.

    HTH!




    Sent from my iPhone using CurlTalk

    Thanks for the update. I'm thinking of cutting out glycerin as well to see how that affects my hair. I also need to make another batch of FSG. Sealing has made a huge difference for me.
  • SaraNoHSaraNoH Posts: 827Registered Users
    Desert curly over here!
    I avoid strong humectants as much as possible, as far as stylers etc.

    Some moisturizing favorites:
    -Giovanni Direct Leave In (freaking amazing)
    -Tresemme Naturals conditioner
    -Cantu Shea Daily Oil Moisturizer (as a sealer)

    Giovanni can be found at Target or health food stores; the others are from stores such as Target, Walmart, grocery stores, or drug stores.

    I've noticed a marked difference in how my hair feels since consistently using these ones. It's so soft...
    CG Birthday: 7/25/11
    Type 3a/2c
    Dense, Fine in front Coarse in back, Low porosity
    Low-Poo: SM Moisture Retention Shampoo
    Rinse Out: Tresemme Naturals
    Leave In: ^^^^
    Stylers: AIF, Natural Silks Curly Gel
    *Desert Curly*
  • jsuzkelleyjsuzkelley Posts: 610Registered Users
    SaraNoH wrote: »
    Desert curly over here!
    I avoid strong humectants as much as possible, as far as stylers etc.

    Some moisturizing favorites:
    -Giovanni Direct Leave In (freaking amazing)
    -Tresemme Naturals conditioner
    -Cantu Shea Daily Oil Moisturizer (as a sealer)

    Giovanni can be found at Target or health food stores; the others are from stores such as Target, Walmart, grocery stores, or drug stores.

    I've noticed a marked difference in how my hair feels since consistently using these ones. It's so soft...

    I love the Tresemme Naturals as well; besides as a RO or co-wash, I use that for my DT and add EVOO, honey and vitamin e - it is great. Always makes my hair feel so silky and soft.

    I've been considering the Giovanni Direct LI for some time - it's available in lots of stores here so I keep seeing it. But I'm a little scared of the soy protein - I've been recovering from what I think was a protein overload, and just adding a little in certain products. So far, silk proteins are fine, but I'm not sure about soy (I definitely stay away from wheat proteins). They sell sample sizes at the Vitamin Cottage by my work, so I may do that and see how it goes.

    One other thing I've notice that seems to be working for me, is rotating products. Now that I've found a couple different things that work, I'm sort of cycling through and not using exactly the same products each time (with the exception of my FSG - use that everytime!).
    2c/3a, botticelli/wavy/'swavy (huh?)
    fine, dense, normal porosity/elasticity, dry climate
    My favorite brands are Kinky Curly, As I am, Curly Kinks, Curl Junkie, and Darcy's Botanicals. Also love sealing with oils (loving argan oil right now) and styling with jelly products (KCCC is my current favorite). Mostly trying to keep it simple!
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

    CG since 12/29/2011 :laughing6:
  • jsuzkelleyjsuzkelley Posts: 610Registered Users
    Just had another quick thought - have any of you desert curlies tried an ACV rinse? I have not tried this yet, but I hear it is supposed to help close the hair shaft. I suppose if you have low porosity this may be uneccessary, but I'm wondering if rinsing with ACV would help lock in moisture and keep the extra dryness at bay. Thoughts? Anyone tried this?
    2c/3a, botticelli/wavy/'swavy (huh?)
    fine, dense, normal porosity/elasticity, dry climate
    My favorite brands are Kinky Curly, As I am, Curly Kinks, Curl Junkie, and Darcy's Botanicals. Also love sealing with oils (loving argan oil right now) and styling with jelly products (KCCC is my current favorite). Mostly trying to keep it simple!
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

    CG since 12/29/2011 :laughing6:
  • SaraNoHSaraNoH Posts: 827Registered Users
    jsuzkelley wrote: »
    SaraNoH wrote: »
    Desert curly over here!
    I avoid strong humectants as much as possible, as far as stylers etc.

    Some moisturizing favorites:
    -Giovanni Direct Leave In (freaking amazing)
    -Tresemme Naturals conditioner
    -Cantu Shea Daily Oil Moisturizer (as a sealer)

    Giovanni can be found at Target or health food stores; the others are from stores such as Target, Walmart, grocery stores, or drug stores.

    I've noticed a marked difference in how my hair feels since consistently using these ones. It's so soft...

    I love the Tresemme Naturals as well; besides as a RO or co-wash, I use that for my DT and add EVOO, honey and vitamin e - it is great. Always makes my hair feel so silky and soft.

    I've been considering the Giovanni Direct LI for some time - it's available in lots of stores here so I keep seeing it. But I'm a little scared of the soy protein - I've been recovering from what I think was a protein overload, and just adding a little in certain products. So far, silk proteins are fine, but I'm not sure about soy (I definitely stay away from wheat proteins). They sell sample sizes at the Vitamin Cottage by my work, so I may do that and see how it goes.

    One other thing I've notice that seems to be working for me, is rotating products. Now that I've found a couple different things that work, I'm sort of cycling through and not using exactly the same products each time (with the exception of my FSG - use that everytime!).

    The soy protein is pretty far down on the list and I've had to trouble with it at all. I've got some patches of really course hair in the back and they haven't reacted badly to it. I say go for it. The benefits outweigh any risk of damage for sure, since it's so moisturizing. That alone should combat any protein-induced dryness.

    I've tried AVC rinses before but I'm very low-porosity so I'm not sure they did anything extra....
    CG Birthday: 7/25/11
    Type 3a/2c
    Dense, Fine in front Coarse in back, Low porosity
    Low-Poo: SM Moisture Retention Shampoo
    Rinse Out: Tresemme Naturals
    Leave In: ^^^^
    Stylers: AIF, Natural Silks Curly Gel
    *Desert Curly*
  • jsuzkelleyjsuzkelley Posts: 610Registered Users
    Stopped at Vitamin Cottage during lunch today and picked up a sample of the Giovanni Direct LI; my hair was a looking a little frizzier than normal, so to experiment, I smoothed a little of the LI over my hair. It felt super moisturizing yet not too heavy, tamed down the frizz, and it smells nice too. Can't wait to try this on wet hair.
    2c/3a, botticelli/wavy/'swavy (huh?)
    fine, dense, normal porosity/elasticity, dry climate
    My favorite brands are Kinky Curly, As I am, Curly Kinks, Curl Junkie, and Darcy's Botanicals. Also love sealing with oils (loving argan oil right now) and styling with jelly products (KCCC is my current favorite). Mostly trying to keep it simple!
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

    CG since 12/29/2011 :laughing6:
  • wavymomwavymom Posts: 292Registered Users
    Some of my favorite products for low dew points (which is all I ever get like you guys):
    Tresemme Naturals moisturizing conditioner (as RO and LI)
    Biolage conditioning balm (as RO/ DT)
    KCKT
    KCCC
    SM Curl Milk
    BRHG (!!!)
    Oil sealing (very light, and not every day, or my hair gets greasy looking)
    Coconut oil pre-poos (occasional)

    I avoid glycerin if it's in the first couple ingredients, but if it's farther down my hair seems ok with it. For example, I can use KCSS (I love it for SOTC) and AG Recoil with no problems. I also don't use these every day though.

    I give my fine hair lots of protein so that it can handle lots of moisture. I used to get over-conditioned really easily when I had almost no protein in my regimen.

    ACV rinses are awesome for me. I should do them more, but I just do them here and there when I think about them. Instant smoothing of the hair with the result being a shiny, frizz-free hair day. Highly recommend.
  • jsuzkelleyjsuzkelley Posts: 610Registered Users
    wavymom wrote: »
    Some of my favorite products for low dew points (which is all I ever get like you guys):
    Tresemme Naturals moisturizing conditioner (as RO and LI)
    Biolage conditioning balm (as RO/ DT)
    KCKT
    KCCC
    SM Curl Milk
    BRHG (!!!)
    Oil sealing (very light, and not every day, or my hair gets greasy looking)
    Coconut oil pre-poos (occasional)

    I avoid glycerin if it's in the first couple ingredients, but if it's farther down my hair seems ok with it. For example, I can use KCSS (I love it for SOTC) and AG Recoil with no problems. I also don't use these every day though.

    I give my fine hair lots of protein so that it can handle lots of moisture. I used to get over-conditioned really easily when I had almost no protein in my regimen.

    ACV rinses are awesome for me. I should do them more, but I just do them here and there when I think about them. Instant smoothing of the hair with the result being a shiny, frizz-free hair day. Highly recommend.

    Hmmm...I've been considering the GVP conditioning balm - I can't remember though, does it contain protein or aloe very high up in the ingredient list? I may check this out. The KCKT was not moisturizing enough for me - my hair gets sooo dry. I wanted the KCCC to work for me, but my hair does not seem to like aloe, particularly in a gel or gelly type product. My hair, even though it is on the fine side of normal, does not seem to get weighed down too much, and just drinks up moisture. I think this is why sealing is a hit for me - helps lock in the moisture. For this reason, I'm really curious if the ACV rinse would work for me. How do you use it? Do you mix with water? Rinse after you co-wash?

    TIA!

    Sent from my iPhone using CurlTalk
    2c/3a, botticelli/wavy/'swavy (huh?)
    fine, dense, normal porosity/elasticity, dry climate
    My favorite brands are Kinky Curly, As I am, Curly Kinks, Curl Junkie, and Darcy's Botanicals. Also love sealing with oils (loving argan oil right now) and styling with jelly products (KCCC is my current favorite). Mostly trying to keep it simple!
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

    CG since 12/29/2011 :laughing6:
  • wavymomwavymom Posts: 292Registered Users
    jsuzkelley wrote: »
    wavymom wrote: »
    Some of my favorite products for low dew points (which is all I ever get like you guys):
    Tresemme Naturals moisturizing conditioner (as RO and LI)
    Biolage conditioning balm (as RO/ DT)
    KCKT
    KCCC
    SM Curl Milk
    BRHG (!!!)
    Oil sealing (very light, and not every day, or my hair gets greasy looking)
    Coconut oil pre-poos (occasional)

    I avoid glycerin if it's in the first couple ingredients, but if it's farther down my hair seems ok with it. For example, I can use KCSS (I love it for SOTC) and AG Recoil with no problems. I also don't use these every day though.

    I give my fine hair lots of protein so that it can handle lots of moisture. I used to get over-conditioned really easily when I had almost no protein in my regimen.

    ACV rinses are awesome for me. I should do them more, but I just do them here and there when I think about them. Instant smoothing of the hair with the result being a shiny, frizz-free hair day. Highly recommend.

    Hmmm...I've been considering the GVP conditioning balm - I can't remember though, does it contain protein or aloe very high up in the ingredient list? I may check this out. The KCKT was not moisturizing enough for me - my hair gets sooo dry. I wanted the KCCC to work for me, but my hair does not seem to like aloe, particularly in a gel or gelly type product. My hair, even though it is on the fine side of normal, does not seem to get weighed down too much, and just drinks up moisture. I think this is why sealing is a hit for me - helps lock in the moisture. For this reason, I'm really curious if the ACV rinse would work for me. How do you use it? Do you mix with water? Rinse after you co-wash?

    TIA!

    Sent from my iPhone using CurlTalk

    You should definitely try the Biolage / GVP conditioning balm! Here are the ingredients as per Sallys website: Water (Aqua), Propylene Glycol, Myristyl Alcohol, Cetrimonium Chloride, Cetearyl Alcohol, Decyl Oleate, Phenoxyethanol, Fragrance (Parfum), Methylparaben, Propylparaben, Hexyl Cinnamal, Rosmarinus Officinalis (Rosemary) Leaf Extract, Hydrastis Canadensis (Golden Seal) Extract, Fucus Vesiculosus (Bladderwack) Extract, Methyl-2-Octynoate
    It's definitely the most moisturizing conditioner I've used yet. If I leave it on for awhile I definitely consider it a DT.

    I also do not find KCKT moisturizing at all, but it provides good slip and it doesn't seem to have any adverse effects in low dew points. When/if I ever finish my bottle, I won't buy a new one. ;)

    As for the ACV rinse, I just recently posted about this in another thread (link below). I mix about 1/4 cup ACV with 1/2-3/4 cup water, and then after rinsing all the conditioner out of my hair I dip the ends of my hair into the cup, then pour it all over my hair. Then I rinse it out with water (some people don't rinse it out). If you've never tried it, do! It feels amazing. Instant smooth hair.
    http://www.naturallycurly.com/curltalk/general-discussion-about-curly-hair/144627-how-do-acv-rinses.html
  • jsuzkelleyjsuzkelley Posts: 610Registered Users
    Thanks wavymom! I will definitely try this next time I wash - I've got some ACV in my cabinet just waiting to be used...
    2c/3a, botticelli/wavy/'swavy (huh?)
    fine, dense, normal porosity/elasticity, dry climate
    My favorite brands are Kinky Curly, As I am, Curly Kinks, Curl Junkie, and Darcy's Botanicals. Also love sealing with oils (loving argan oil right now) and styling with jelly products (KCCC is my current favorite). Mostly trying to keep it simple!
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

    CG since 12/29/2011 :laughing6:
  • SaraNoHSaraNoH Posts: 827Registered Users
    I'm wondering, has anyone in low-dews had any problem with the propylene glycol in GVPCB? I used to use it as a RO but was afraid to leave any in, since that humectant is WAY up on the list.
    CG Birthday: 7/25/11
    Type 3a/2c
    Dense, Fine in front Coarse in back, Low porosity
    Low-Poo: SM Moisture Retention Shampoo
    Rinse Out: Tresemme Naturals
    Leave In: ^^^^
    Stylers: AIF, Natural Silks Curly Gel
    *Desert Curly*
  • gardencurlsgardencurls Posts: 573Registered Users
    Desert here. I avoid proteins like the plague, and I use as little glycerin as possible. If I use one product with protein (maybe my conditioner), my hair is all right, but more than one and/or styling products with protein makes my hair break. Glycerin definitely make my hair feel dry if I use it consistently. One exception is CCCC, because it's so moisturizing the glycerin doesn't get in the way. My hair needs moisture, moisture, moisture, so I always keep a moisturizing spray with me.

    It's ingredients aren't great, and it's definitely not CG, but Moroccanoil Intense Curl Cream makes my hair beautiful no matter how dry it is. I wish I could find something like this that has better ingredients (an no dimethicone). For curl cream, ingredient-wise, it winds up being a silicone vs. glycerin (from what I've been able to find), and my hair seems to prefer the silicones in low dew points.
    3b/c, Coarse, Low Porosity, Desert Climate
    CG since August 2011/Occasionally Minimally Modified since 2013
    Favorites: Beautiful Nutrition Cocoa Curl Cleansing Conditioner, Beautiful Nutrition Cocoa Curl High Definition Moisture Gel, Beautiful Nutrition UltraLight Lime Jel Control Serum, Beautiful Nutrition Lemon Rinse Clarifying Treatment
  • jsuzkelleyjsuzkelley Posts: 610Registered Users
    Desert here. I avoid proteins like the plague, and I use as little glycerin as possible. If I use one product with protein (maybe my conditioner), my hair is all right, but more than one and/or styling products with protein makes my hair break. Glycerin definitely make my hair feel dry if I use it consistently. One exception is CCCC, because it's so moisturizing the glycerin doesn't get in the way. My hair needs moisture, moisture, moisture, so I always keep a moisturizing spray with me.

    It's ingredients aren't great, and it's definitely not CG, but Moroccanoil Intense Curl Cream makes my hair beautiful no matter how dry it is. I wish I could find something like this that has better ingredients (an no dimethicone). For curl cream, ingredient-wise, it winds up being a silicone vs. glycerin (from what I've been able to find), and my hair seems to prefer the silicones in low dew points.

    Hmmm...This is interesting. I was reading something about this in another thread. I've been hesitant to try the GVP CB because of the humectant (although I hear it's very moisturizing so it might be okay as a RO?), and afraid to try the MorroccanOil because of the dimethicone (and the price). But I've heard such great reviews about both products. I too avoid using protein, especially in more than one product, and avoid glycerin unless its very low on the ingredient list (and still usually only in my RO, not anything I leave in my hair) and have been avoiding silicones altogether. I'm curious as to whether the MorroccanOil curl cream would work for me, or of my hair would have issues with the 'cone. I don't want to have to go back to shampoo to get rid of build up (my hair is sooo dry and I need all the moisture I can get) but wouldn't mind an occasional low poo. Also, is the coco betaine in most cleansing conditioners enough to get rid of any cones? If so, maybe a modified CG approach would work.




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    fine, dense, normal porosity/elasticity, dry climate
    My favorite brands are Kinky Curly, As I am, Curly Kinks, Curl Junkie, and Darcy's Botanicals. Also love sealing with oils (loving argan oil right now) and styling with jelly products (KCCC is my current favorite). Mostly trying to keep it simple!
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  • CubanwavyCubanwavy Posts: 293Registered Users
    When I hear dry, all I can think of is water. Water is moisture. Would it help if you spritzed your hair throughout the day to give it a 'drink'. Don't have that problem here, today humidity is 48%, in a few weeks it will be much, much higher, 90's.
  • wavymomwavymom Posts: 292Registered Users
    jsuzkelley wrote: »
    Desert here. I avoid proteins like the plague, and I use as little glycerin as possible. If I use one product with protein (maybe my conditioner), my hair is all right, but more than one and/or styling products with protein makes my hair break. Glycerin definitely make my hair feel dry if I use it consistently. One exception is CCCC, because it's so moisturizing the glycerin doesn't get in the way. My hair needs moisture, moisture, moisture, so I always keep a moisturizing spray with me.

    It's ingredients aren't great, and it's definitely not CG, but Moroccanoil Intense Curl Cream makes my hair beautiful no matter how dry it is. I wish I could find something like this that has better ingredients (an no dimethicone). For curl cream, ingredient-wise, it winds up being a silicone vs. glycerin (from what I've been able to find), and my hair seems to prefer the silicones in low dew points.

    Hmmm...This is interesting. I was reading something about this in another thread. I've been hesitant to try the GVP CB because of the humectant (although I hear it's very moisturizing so it might be okay as a RO?), and afraid to try the MorroccanOil because of the dimethicone (and the price). But I've heard such great reviews about both products. I too avoid using protein, especially in more than one product, and avoid glycerin unless its very low on the ingredient list (and still usually only in my RO, not anything I leave in my hair) and have been avoiding silicones altogether. I'm curious as to whether the MorroccanOil curl cream would work for me, or of my hair would have issues with the 'cone. I don't want to have to go back to shampoo to get rid of build up (my hair is sooo dry and I need all the moisture I can get) but wouldn't mind an occasional low poo. Also, is the coco betaine in most cleansing conditioners enough to get rid of any cones? If so, maybe a modified CG approach would work.




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    The humectant in the conditioning balm doesn't bother me, but I rinse it all out. It would be too heavy as a LI for my mostly fine hair. It is the most moisturizing conditioner I've used yet.

    As for the question about whether coco betaine removes most cones, the answer is yes. See this table for further details.
    What's the Scoop on Silicones?
  • CurlsnswirlsCurlsnswirls Posts: 865Registered Users
    Yesterday I had SS CEJ and FHG in my hair and it held up nicely with the rain, yay! I was pleasantly surprised since I wore my hair down. I washed last night and used FSG (finally made some more) topped with a tiny bit of AG:recoil and wow! My hair this morning is so shiny and soft!!!!! I have tried the recoil with several combos and I'm really liking it. I only have to use a tiny amount, which is great. I still want to try it with SS CEJ and FHG.
    I LOVE GVP CB! I've used this for 3-4 years now and still love it and have never had any problems with it. I also use it as a leave in sometimes. My hair likes protein, so I use it on and off. I'm trying to use styling products that are either glycerin free or that glycerin is not in the first few ingredients plus sealing. My hair is happy :)
  • ChikyuuChikyuu Posts: 268Registered Users
    I recently heard glycerin and protein in LALSG could be drying so I recently bought AIF since it's free of both of those things. Can't wait to try it.
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    New May 20th Routine
    Low-poo:SheaM
    Co-wash:VO5 KiwiLime or VanillaMint
    LI:TN, Regis OliveOil Condish, GVP CB
    Styler: LALSG
    Daily routine: Cleanse, LI, soak with water, scrunch in gel, plop, pixie diffuse, air dry.


  • gardencurlsgardencurls Posts: 573Registered Users
    As far as I can tell, Curl Junkie Daily Fix (has cocobetaine) removed any residue that may have been left behind. This week, I'm using only "pure CG" products, to give my hair a rest.

    Everytime I look at my stupid canopy on top of my head (I have layers) all I can think of is a troll doll. I'm probably going to cave and use some of the Intense Curl Cream (either Moroccanoil or One 'N Only) on this part only, just to soften it and give it some shape. I'm slowly growing my hair longer again after chopping it last summer, and I'm at that stage where it thinks it's a chia bush.
    3b/c, Coarse, Low Porosity, Desert Climate
    CG since August 2011/Occasionally Minimally Modified since 2013
    Favorites: Beautiful Nutrition Cocoa Curl Cleansing Conditioner, Beautiful Nutrition Cocoa Curl High Definition Moisture Gel, Beautiful Nutrition UltraLight Lime Jel Control Serum, Beautiful Nutrition Lemon Rinse Clarifying Treatment
  • CurlsnswirlsCurlsnswirls Posts: 865Registered Users
    Chikyuu wrote: »
    I recently heard glycerin and protein in LALSG could be drying so I recently bought AIF since it's free of both of those things. Can't wait to try it.

    I could never get LALSG to work for me unfortunately, but HESMU and AIF work great for me. I think because they are glycerin free. I can use a product wih glycerin as long as its not too high in the ingredient list. I was loving CK as a sole styler but was having to use more moisturizing products more often, so I backed off for now. I can also use ecostyler with my fsg but only on occasion. The recoil does not seem to bother me at all. I'm waiting on some of BB's Mudd to try out and some KCCC. I also want to try the Hugo naturals gel and Giovanni LA gel. I'm glad that I can get products that work locally along with fsg, which is inexpensive to make. I'm such a PJ but hope to narrow down my choices soon :).
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