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Hunger Games movie (spoilers)

redcelticcurlsredcelticcurls Posts: 17,502Registered Users
I loved the movie. It's sticking in my head the way the books did. I even had a nightmare about it, lol.

I had motion sickness issues in the reaping scene. I eventually got used to it, but damn.

I like how they added backstory for Snow and the awesomely bearded Crane. It filled out the story more since the book is mainly first person narrative. It also helps for those who haven't read the books. You can see where Crane was thinking about ratings and a good show without seeing all of the political ramifications that Snow saw. It was Snow's nature to see that. The part about a little hope vs. a lot of hope was spot on.

I wanted more of Rue's backstory so that the full impact of her death could be felt and understood. The death scene was well done. The audience was in tears. The add in of District 11 riots after Rue's death and Katniss's salute were good additions, IMO. It showed the beginning of Katniss's effect. It also showed the rage at being under the current regime as opposed to the beaten down weariness seen in District 12.

The fight scenes were done well. You saw them fight, but blurred enough to keep that PG-13 rating.

I don't recall the clarity of vision that Cato had at the end in the book. (clarity in the movie and not in the book) He saw himself as a political pawn, but he couldn't change his path. He and the career pack did creep me out. Clove especially.

Loved Foxface and Thresh, small as their parts were.

I could see why Snow thought that Katniss was being deliberately defiant.

Loved that Buttercup made the movie, though looking different.

To me, all of the actors did an excellent job. The movie was well directed.

There's a lot more to say, but I'm still digesting and processing.

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  • greenjumpergreenjumper Posts: 891Registered Users
    I've read all of the books so I'm really excited! I am going to see the movie tonight so I haven't read the original post just in case!

    I will definitely pop back in later to give my thoughts and read what everyone else thought about the movie as well.:mrgreen:
  • redcelticcurlsredcelticcurls Posts: 17,502Registered Users
    Looking forward to seeing what you think!


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  • duckyducky Posts: 927Registered Users
    I'm seeing it Sunday - thanks for the heads-up about the motion sickness during the reaping - I may have to just listen to that scene. :)
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  • redcelticcurlsredcelticcurls Posts: 17,502Registered Users
    More spoilery stuff.

    In the books, I often wondered if Haymitch just thought it would be better if his tributes just died right away, and if he just never bothered with sponsors. The fact that he looked as if he was doing something new and inspired when he actively sought out sponsors for the burn medicine made me think about it even more.

    I liked the parachute notes. It helped make up for the loss of the internal dialogue that was in the book. The 'you call that a kiss' note got some laughs.

    I liked the view of Cinna as strategist as opposed to just stylist.

    The Gale/Peeta triangle was set up well without being overdone or taking away from the politics and grittiness of battle.


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  • redcelticcurlsredcelticcurls Posts: 17,502Registered Users
    ducky wrote: »
    I'm seeing it Sunday - thanks for the heads-up about the motion sickness during the reaping - I may have to just listen to that scene. :)

    I had to look down a lot, lol. I was worried I'd have to leave to puke. I've always been sensitive in cars and park rides, but that was my first episode of movie sickness.


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  • JFrank09JFrank09 Posts: 129Registered Users
    I loved the movie. It's sticking in my head the way the books did. I even had a nightmare about it, lol.

    I had motion sickness issues in the reaping scene. I eventually got used to it, but damn.

    I like how they added backstory for Snow and the awesomely bearded Crane. It filled out the story more since the book is mainly first person narrative. It also helps for those who haven't read the books. You can see where Crane was thinking about ratings and a good show without seeing all of the political ramifications that Snow saw. It was Snow's nature to see that. The part about a little hope vs. a lot of hope was spot on.

    I wanted more of Rue's backstory so that the full impact of her death could be felt and understood. The death scene was well done. The audience was in tears. The add in of District 11 riots after Rue's death and Katniss's salute were good additions, IMO. It showed the beginning of Katniss's effect. It also showed the rage at being under the current regime as opposed to the beaten down weariness seen in District 12.

    The fight scenes were done well. You saw them fight, but blurred enough to keep that PG-13 rating.

    I don't recall the clarity of vision that Cato had at the end in the book. He saw himself as a political pawn, but he couldn't change his path. He and the career pack did creep me out. Clove especially.

    Loved Foxface and Thresh, small as their parts were.

    I could see why Snow thought that Katniss was being deliberately defiant.

    Loved that Buttercup made the movie, though looking different.

    To me, all of the actors did an excellent job. The movie was well directed.

    There's a lot more to say, but I'm still digesting and processing.

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    Really? I didn't get sick until the tracker jacker scene. OMgah...

    Agreed. But overall, I though Rue was handled wonderfully. I BALLED like a lunatic during that scene!

    For some reason, I was waiting on them to somewhat explain what a mockingjay was, but I guess that's for the sequel?

    And I was sooo waiting for the dogs to resemble the tributes, but alas....it didn't take away from the story...

    Though I initially questioned Josh Hutcherson as Peeta, he totally won me over!
  • redcelticcurlsredcelticcurls Posts: 17,502Registered Users
    The tracker jacker scene was rough, too, but I was better adjusted after the nausea of the reaping.

    The District 12 scenes reminded me of my grandmother's stories of growing up desperately poor in a coal mining camp during the depression.

    The District 11 scene after Rue's death reminded me of Civil Rights era footage.



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  • SCGSCG Posts: 5,416Registered Users
    I agree with everything you said, RCC!

    Although, I'd like to add... Elizabeth Banks KILLED IT as Effie! She was seriously awesome.

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  • redcelticcurlsredcelticcurls Posts: 17,502Registered Users
    She was! Everyone did so well.

    Her whole Manners! Ha!

    I had to download the song Abraham's Daughter that was in the credits. It really caught my ear.


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  • SCGSCG Posts: 5,416Registered Users
    Oh, I also meant to add... Why do movie makers leave out small details, sometimes? Like, how hard would it have actually been to make the cat look like Buttercup, as described? Or to include the part about Katniss drugging Peeta so she could go to the cornucopia? I just don't understand why they feel the need to change small, but sometimes important, details. You know?

    I can understand the bigger changes sometimes, for financial or time restraint reasons, but the small changes always perplex me.

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  • redcelticcurlsredcelticcurls Posts: 17,502Registered Users
    I agree. How hard is it to find an orange tabby that will hiss?

    The sleep syrup may have taken more time to explain? I'm not sure.

    I'm glad they showed the bread backstory, but the full impact needs to be read to totally understand. I'm glad they decided to put it in, though.


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  • redcelticcurlsredcelticcurls Posts: 17,502Registered Users
    Oh, and Effie had amazing nail art.


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  • SCGSCG Posts: 5,416Registered Users
    Oh, that is true about the sleep syrup. I hadn't thought of that!

    It's probably a good thing that I'm working tonight, because otherwise, I'd probably be very, very tempted to go see it again! :lol:

    Oh no. I just made the mistake of looking at showtimes. They've got three available after I get off work!

    Must. Resist. Urge.

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  • redcelticcurlsredcelticcurls Posts: 17,502Registered Users
    Lol!

    I think I'm going again on Wednesday. I want to see it again to think about it more the second time, and to catch stuff missed the first time.

    Also loved the Avengers preview and that gritty Snow White one.

    Caesar Flickerman was well acted. He was a good interviewer like in the books. Peeta was also great at being a good interviewee. Flickerman's teeth! Omg

    The parade commenting reminded me of the Rose Bowl parade.


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  • SariaSaria Posts: 15,963Registered Users
    I thought it was good, but having read the book I was a little let down by a lot of the things left out or changed. I know why they do it, so I understand, but some things lessen the weight.
    A tiny thing that I thought was stupid was having Foxface referred to as such even when there was no longer the first-person narrative. It just sounds silly.

    They didn't show Cato attacking Peeta, which Katniss sees in her hallucination. Didn't really understand that omission.

    I'm glad to know it wasn't just me feeling a bit of nausea. That's never happened before, but we had terrible seats which also led to a massive headache when the movie was over.

    I did love Effie.

    I really enjoyed the training sequences.

    I thought the romance was especially weak in the movie.

    I thought Cato's end was a bit heavy-handed. It's more Katniss' realization about the Careers than Cato's, but they had him be the mouthpiece. I was glad they kept in that Katniss shot him to end his torture.

    My friends who didn't read the books thought it was great.
    I've written mostly complaints, but I did think it was good, just that I can't help noticing the omissions and revisions and some of them take away from the intensity and desperation.
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  • redcelticcurlsredcelticcurls Posts: 17,502Registered Users
    Maybe I'm less picky. :)

    I can see where you thought Cato's part was heavy handed. Yet, I'm glad it was put in, because he (movie he) was right.


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  • SCGSCG Posts: 5,416Registered Users
    All I'm saying is that they did a good job at making me hating Cato. Every time he showed up on screen, I thought to myself "Man! Such a douche..."

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    And it will steal your innocence
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  • redcelticcurlsredcelticcurls Posts: 17,502Registered Users
    Finding myself hating Cato (except for his bit at the end) and Clove made me wonder. If I was a future Capitol citizen, would I be like them? Would I just watch with bloodlust without thinking about what was really going on?


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  • SariaSaria Posts: 15,963Registered Users
    Yeah, they did a good job of making them as smug and vicious as they sounded in the books.
    And I'm so glad they kept in Cato snapping the neck of district 3 dude after Katniss blows up their supplies.

    I forgot a purely superficial comment and that's how cute the actress playing Rue was. I loved the hair! :p
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  • redcelticcurlsredcelticcurls Posts: 17,502Registered Users
    Her hair was awesome, and she was heartbreakingly cute. I liked how she and Prim had similarities.


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  • redcelticcurlsredcelticcurls Posts: 17,502Registered Users
    Aside from the whitewashing of 12, I agree with his review.


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  • greenjumpergreenjumper Posts: 891Registered Users
    Overall, I really did like the movie! Many things were extremely well done. I realize that changing the medium through which you tell a story means that things will be lost but I also think that in order to do it well, things must be gained. I think they did it well here.

    My only major "negative" (which it seems like you all feel the same way) was amount of character development/ screen time given to Rue. I felt like if you hadn't read the book, Rue's death didn't mean as much as it would have meant. I felt like if they would have added just 30 seconds to show bit of her interview with Caesar or maybe just couple of 2 second shots of her alone in the woods before her and Katniss teamed up (sort of like the short clips they had of Gale here and there), then it would have made her character appealing in her own right and therefore making it more emotional when she died. Idk, I jest felt like my book version of Rue made me care about her while I was watching the movie....not the movie itself.

    Small things that I liked:
    The small clips of Gale watching the games. I thought that this was an excellent touch! For Gale, I felt something for his character in the movie more than I did in the book (exact opposite way for me with Rue). I feel like they did this to set up the love-triangle more which I think is great because I didn't really understand the love triangle angle in the first book.
    The right before Haymitch really starts acting like a good mentor...one of the waiters (the Avox???) come over to refill his glass and he puts his hands over it. Excellent!
    A short scene showing a family of 4 Capitol citizens. The family is really happy and laughing as they watch their kids "reenact" the Hunger Games. One kid pretends to stab another kids with a sword and the adults think it's the cutest thing. It was a small scene but I really think it showed the contrast between how the district 12 families felt about the games (terrified, tension, impending death etc) and how the capitol citizens thought it was fun and something to entertain them once a year.
    The scene where Katniss looks at the changing scenery on the wall. I thought this moment was great because it showed that although Katniss seemed cold at times, she really did have a heart and seeing the scenery of the woods brought her to a vulnerable place. I think it was a great way for them ot make up for not having inner dialog. (Other scenes were similarly great for this reason)
    The smelling thing with Caesar and Peeta. I didn't really "get it" in the books. I think pulled it off way better in the movie.
    ----I didn't care that Madge and the Avox were left out. I think that I actually liked the exchange of the mockingjay pin between Katniss and Prim a little better.
    ---District 11 rebellion scene. Great!!
    ----Katniss telling her mother to be strong for Prim. Great acting and very intense!
    Katniss' braid. I wonder if people have already started making Youtube tutorials for it! My hair is too short, unfortunately.

    I really liked the cast. All of the actors and actresses did an amazing job.

    Small things I did not like:
    Camera shakiness (as others have mentioned, I totally agree!)
    Peeta giving Katniss the bread flashbacks: I just don't think it was explained well enough. The real meaning of the flashbacks just wasn't there for me.
    I didn't think the final berries/suicide scene was intense enough. I suppose it didn't have to be...the thought of two tributes dying and no winner was enough to change the Gamemakers minds but still.....Idk, maybe it was because I already knew what was going to happen.

    Peeta and Katniss' outfits for the parade were better in my mind. But there's only so much fire special effect you can put on an outfit before it becomes unrealistic and corny so I'm satisfied at the most.

    Big things:
    ----President Snow and Seneca. Great job! (I'm glad they used them to explain the political aspects of the novel and I liked that they started explaining Snow now because he's a huge character later
    ----The Cinna and Katniss relationship! Kravitz didn't look too bad with gold eyeliner!
    Pretty much everything else. I just wanted to mention those two specifically.


    I really love the little things. Did anyone else notice small parts of the movie that they though made a huge difference to them??? I'm going to have to rewatch it because I'm sure there are tons of things that I missed!
  • greenjumpergreenjumper Posts: 891Registered Users
    More spoilery stuff.

    In the books, I often wondered if Haymitch just thought it would be better if his tributes just died right away, and if he just never bothered with sponsors. The fact that he looked as if he was doing something new and inspired when he actively sought out sponsors for the burn medicine made me think about it even more.

    I liked the parachute notes. It helped make up for the loss of the internal dialogue that was in the book. The 'you call that a kiss' note got some laughs.

    I liked the view of Cinna as strategist as opposed to just stylist.

    The Gale/Peeta triangle was set up well without being overdone or taking away from the politics and grittiness of battle.


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    The parachute notes! Yeah, that was another small thing that I liked!

    As for Haymitch, I kind of sympathized with him. I mean, to mentor tributes year after year and have them die has to take a toll on him. He completely understands the emotional turmoil that they are going through because he's been there. Then to watch them be killed every year.... I think that would make anyone feel like a "failure". I think he tried to drink away the pain and remove himself from the situation with an "I don't care attitude". Then once that he saw that Katniss actually had a chance, he was on board. Yes, Katniss was the "girl on fire" but she caused other people to ignite (in passion and will to fight against the Capitol) as well ( From herself, to Peeta, to District 11, Haymitch, Katniss' mother, and many others). I think Haymitch sort of represented the extreme loss of hope that all the citizen were dealing with to a lesser or similar degree due to the extreme oppression and compliance created by the Capitol. I agree with you that he was inspired. I think the actions of Katniss (volunteering as tribute, her skill in hunting, Rue's flowers, etc) inspired a ton of the characters.
  • KilajoKilajo Posts: 786Registered Users
    As someone who saw the movie without reading the books, Rue's death didn't mean anything to me. I was surprised when I looked around the packed theater and saw so many people crying. I thought ok, I clearly need to read the book...

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  • greenjumpergreenjumper Posts: 891Registered Users
    Kilajo wrote: »
    As someone who saw the movie without reading the books, Rue's death didn't mean anything to me. I was surprised when I looked around the packed theater and saw so many people crying. I thought ok, I clearly need to read the book...

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    I did read the book but I completely see where you are coming from!
  • KilajoKilajo Posts: 786Registered Users
    Aside from the whitewashing of 12, I agree with his review.


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    What about the whitewashing part don't you agree? I haven't read the book and as I was watching district 12 scenes I was surprised to only see one POC. Were there POCs described in the book and not depicted or were there no POCs described in the book in district 12? I'm gonna get the book but that was something that struck me as odd and made wonder what was going on...

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  • susususu Posts: 767Registered Users
    I saw it and thought it was great. Not a perfect movie by any means, but a solid B+/A-.

    I thought the first half of the movie was terrific. I liked the scenes in District 12, and thought they did a decent job of capturing the bleakness/toughness of life in that district, although I agree that it was pretty white-washed. The novel spends a lot of time describing the distinct "Seam" look - olive skin, black hair, grey eyes.

    The reaping scene was chilling and well done. I also liked the scenes in the Capitol, the training scenes... pretty much everything up through the initial carnage at the Cornucopia.

    For some reason, the second half of the movie didn't work quite as well for me. The actual games felt very rushed. There was nothing about Katniss' struggle to survive against the elements, e.g., the dehydration, near starvation and desperation she felt in those initial couple of days. The tracker jacker scene was well done, but a lot of the other obstacles weren't nearly as disturbing as in the novel - e.g., the muttations (in the movie, they glossed over the most disturbing part - that they appeared to have the eyes of the dead tributes).

    I thought all the actors did a good job. I still wish they would have picked someone darker/younger/more gaunt-looking to play Katniss, but that aside, Jennifer Lawrence was great. She played Katniss a bit differently than I imagined her in the book - maybe a little more confident and less withdrawn - but that's fine. I thought Josh Hutcherson did a great job of capturing Peeta, although I do think the movie downplayed how crafty he was. THe actor who played Gale didn't leave much of an impression, but I find his character a bit bland in the books as well.

    I couldn't help but notice the omission of a lot of scenes from the novel: the fact that Peeta's dad came to say good-bye to Katniss before she went to the games, the bread Katniss received from District 11 after Rue dies, the Avox, and a few other things. And there were some scenes that really weren't explained as well as they could have been. As others have mentioned, the bread flashback wasn't handled well. I wish they had used a younger actress to play Katniss in that scene, because part of what's so heartbreaking is the image of this 10 year-old girl, forced to take care of her family after her dad dies, sitting out in the rain because she's on the brink of starvation and too tired to even move. I think if they had shown Peeta's mom yelling at Katniss for digging through the bakery's dumpster for scraps, Peeta's act of kindness would have resonated more. Peeta's comments in the movie about how he should have given her the bread, rather than just throwing it, probably make it even more confusing for someone who hasn't read the book.

    Other scenes that weren't explained well: the fact that Cato et al tried to kill Peeta for letting Katniss go; the extent to which Katniss and Peeta were playing to the cameras for sponsors (i.e., the whole star-crossed lovers thing); the fact that the berries were just a ruse, and Katniss/Peeta never intended to actually pull a Romeo and Juliet (I don't know - maybe that was clear to viewers who never read the book). I did like the added scene of Seneca Crane being locked in a room with a bowl of poisonous berries. Oh, and as noted above, the Katniss-Rue relationship could have been developed more. In the book, a big part of why Katniss latches on to Rue is because she reminds her of Prim. Not sure that came through. I did think the actress who played Rue was perfect.

    I would have welcomed a slightly darker version of the movie, but all in all, pretty well done. I'm supposed to see it again in a week.
  • redcelticcurlsredcelticcurls Posts: 17,502Registered Users
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    Kilajo wrote: »
    Aside from the whitewashing of 12, I agree with his review.


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    What about the whitewashing part don't you agree? I haven't read the book and as I was watching district 12 scenes I was surprised to only see one POC. Were there POCs described in the book and not depicted or were there no POCs described in the book in district 12. I'm gonna get the book but that was something that struck me as odd and made wonder what was going on...

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    I don't recall obvious (because Collins isn't always obvious about a character's race) POC in 12. In certain parts of Appalachia, that's not a shocker. I grew up in a county that was considered 'diverse' yet it was 90% white. I've been to more rural, mountainous, coal containing areas of my home state where literally everyone was white.

    So, a white 12 isn't shocking, and I'm not that with the complaints that it should've had more POC.

    However, I would've been more mad if 11 had no POC. It was pretty obvious that Rue and Thresh are black. It also seems to be located in what is currently the deep south of the US. Even with wars and loss of land due to rising seas and everything else, I expect some racial diversity there.


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  • SCGSCG Posts: 5,416Registered Users
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    Kilajo wrote: »
    Aside from the whitewashing of 12, I agree with his review.


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    What about the whitewashing part don't you agree? I haven't read the book and as I was watching district 12 scenes I was surprised to only see one POC. Were there POCs described in the book and not depicted or were there no POCs described in the book in district 12. I'm gonna get the book but that was something that struck me as odd and made wonder what was going on...

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    I don't recall obvious (because Collins isn't always obvious about a character's race) POC in 12. In certain parts of Appalachia, that's not a shocker. I grew up in a county that was considered 'diverse' yet it was 90% white. I've been to more rural, mountainous, coal containing areas of my home state where literally everyone was white.

    So, a white 12 isn't shocking, and I'm not that with the complaints that it should've had more POC.

    However, I would've been more mad if 11 had no POC. It was pretty obvious that Rue and Thresh are black. It also seems to be located in what is currently the deep south of the US. Even with wars and loss of land due to rising seas and everything else, I expect some racial diversity there.


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    Yeah, that was really how I looked at it, as well. I was really surprised when I heard people talking about whitewashing...

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