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FSG...everywhere!

beeduhbeeduh Posts: 684Registered Users
So, I see FSG floating around everywhere. I finally figured out what it is a while back, but I have not had the guts to try it out...I really want to, but a lot of the threads I searched didn't have the recipies and they rambled a lot. Though I admit, I didn't really dig for it either. :]

So for all of you FSG goes. How do you make yours and what do you put in it?
CG as of Feb. 2012
combination hair.
2c on top - low elasticity
3a&b scattered underneath - normal elasticity.
fine texture. thin density. A lot of it.
porosity: normal to high.
loves protein and moisture.
BSACV as needed.

products may vary. i'm a PJ.
loving Curl Junkie, Curly Kinks, and AS I Am.

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  • DevushkaDevushka Posts: 1,080Registered Users
    You can get started reading here: http://www.naturallycurly.com/curltalk/recipes-%97-hair-body/61208-no-fail-flax-seed-gel-i-finally-did-twice.html Lots of discussion but worth reading through if you're thinking of making FSG.
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]3b / Fine / Low (to Med) Density / Normal Porosity & Elasticity
    Currently Using [*Holy Grails*]
    Cleansers: DC No-Poo / DC Low-Poo / *BaSo & ACV*
    Co-Washes/ROs: CJ Beauticurls Argan & OO / DC OneC / Organicals DC Creme
    Additives: *Silk Amino Acids* / Honeyquat / Fragrance Oils
    LIs (found some!): KCKT / CJ Beauticurls LI / CJ Curl Assurance Smoothing Daily Condish
    DTs: *Coconut Oil* rinses / *Honey*, EVOO, & DC OneC / CJ Curl Rehab
    Sealer: *DM Super Buttercreme*
    Goal: APL Hair
  • SaraNoHSaraNoH Posts: 827Registered Users
    I used the recipe listed above ^^^ but threw in some fresh rosemary with the flaxseeds because I like the smell and have a ton of it growing out front. Also, I did NOT use honey (no humectants for me!).

    I don't know how I feel about it, honestly. I'm trying to figure out what will work for me. It's a bit lighter hold than I like, and I can get inconsistent results. BUT, I did make some FSG curl cream this morning and liked it much better than plain FSG. http://www.naturallycurly.com/curltalk/2/131390-fsg-curl-cream.html
    Again, no honey/banana for me.

    Always looking for new things to toss into homemade stuff.
    CG Birthday: 7/25/11
    Type 3a/2c
    Dense, Fine in front Coarse in back, Low porosity
    Low-Poo: SM Moisture Retention Shampoo
    Rinse Out: Tresemme Naturals
    Leave In: ^^^^
    Stylers: AIF, Natural Silks Curly Gel
    *Desert Curly*
  • Mec1976Mec1976 Posts: 210Registered Users
    Interesting ... Going to make some FSG tomorrow maybe I'll try the cream instead :)
    Finally have a routine that works :toothy5:

    Low Poo - 2chic Avocado & Olive Oil Ultra-Moist Shampoo
    Co-Wash - V05 Passion Fruit Smoothie Conditioner
    RO - Shea Moisture Curl Enhancing Smoothie, Cure Care, GVPCB
    LI - KCNT
    Stylers - GF Pure Clean Gel, BTZ Noodle Head, LA Looks Sports Gel, Eco Styler Krystal, KCCC (I am a product junkie ;-) )

    Wash at night, add products, plop in a t-shirt overnight, then diffuse in the morning!! It is great finally getting to sleep in :sleepy2:
  • CyanbobcatCyanbobcat Posts: 65Registered Users
    FSG is the bomb for my hair. The key is to use a lot. This is especially good for those of us who have too much volume. I actually looked like I had a normal amount of hair for the first time when I used this. I was still able to get volume where I wanted it though. GREAT definition and and nice sheen which is hard to come by in my 2c hair.

    If you make your own FSG, I wouldn't get too fancy the first time with additives. Keep it simple so you know what properties it has on it's own. I did add honey to my first batch and grapeseed oil. Subsequent batches had more additives and I liked my original batch better.

    I read a lot of threads about it and it seems the biggest problem people had with making it was knowing when to remove it from the stove. There was one paragraph in the many threads that spelled it out best... when stirring the mixture, pause the stirring for a moment and see if the seeds suspend in the liquid instead of sinking. That's when it's time to take it off the heat. It takes 10 minutes or less so watch closely or you will get a big glob that doesn't go through a strainer.

    Good luck in your experiments! I am currently experimenting with CurlyFireHorse's Co-kra gel and loving it so far.
  • my3curliesmy3curlies Posts: 161Registered Users
    I haven't found anything that gives me the results fsg does. I don't add anything to it and I get good hold and shine with 3-4 day hair. I like to make it thick and I agree with others that say you can be generous with it.

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  • IAgirlIAgirl Posts: 2,540Registered Users
    SaraNoH wrote: »
    BUT, I did make some FSG curl cream this morning and liked it much better than plain FSG. http://www.naturallycurly.com/curltalk/2/131390-fsg-curl-cream.html
    Always looking for new things to toss into homemade stuff.

    I SO have a new recipe for this for coarser, kinky, or dry, thirsty, frizzy hair: science-y hair blog: What's Cookin': Super Smooth Flax Curl Cream

    Actually, there are a bunch of recipes for FSG on that blog (there's a recipes page). I like thickeners and protein and oil and aloe and everything but the kitchen sink - ya' know? :chef:
  • beeduhbeeduh Posts: 684Registered Users
    Thanks! I'm excited about making this. Once I actually get some time to look over the recipes I can't wait to get started. :]

    I love homemade DIY stuff. I'm a huge fan of homemade laundry soap (the powder kind), and cleaners, and EO diffusers...yup.:toothy8:
    CG as of Feb. 2012
    combination hair.
    2c on top - low elasticity
    3a&b scattered underneath - normal elasticity.
    fine texture. thin density. A lot of it.
    porosity: normal to high.
    loves protein and moisture.
    BSACV as needed.

    products may vary. i'm a PJ.
    loving Curl Junkie, Curly Kinks, and AS I Am.
  • SaraNoHSaraNoH Posts: 827Registered Users
    Cyanbobcat wrote: »
    FSG is the bomb for my hair. The key is to use a lot. This is especially good for those of us who have too much volume.

    ah, maybe that's what I need to do next time. I though I was using a generous amount, but perhaps I wasn't for my super long, thick hair. Next time I'll go crazy with it!
    CG Birthday: 7/25/11
    Type 3a/2c
    Dense, Fine in front Coarse in back, Low porosity
    Low-Poo: SM Moisture Retention Shampoo
    Rinse Out: Tresemme Naturals
    Leave In: ^^^^
    Stylers: AIF, Natural Silks Curly Gel
    *Desert Curly*
  • beeduhbeeduh Posts: 684Registered Users
    Ok. Now that I have got the recipe, my next questions are...

    What do you put in your FSG? Additives?

    Do you prefer to refrigerate or preserve?

    How do you preserve it?

    What do you use it with?
    CG as of Feb. 2012
    combination hair.
    2c on top - low elasticity
    3a&b scattered underneath - normal elasticity.
    fine texture. thin density. A lot of it.
    porosity: normal to high.
    loves protein and moisture.
    BSACV as needed.

    products may vary. i'm a PJ.
    loving Curl Junkie, Curly Kinks, and AS I Am.
  • Jas76Jas76 Posts: 2,283Registered Users
    Let's see...

    Mine has a LOT of stuff in it! But I use mine as a curl enhancer more than a gel. It goes on very wet hair, then gel goes over it!

    I add corn starch, Epsom, jojoba oil, gelatin, CNPF, AVG, sometimes a little honey and/or KY (for the glycerin, mainly)... I think that's it! Lol! But it works BEAUTIFULLY!!
    2c/3a/3b, Fine/med, Dense, high porous, & normal elas.

    Lo-poo - Renpure Keratin, SMR, Giovanni SaS
    clarifying - mix Johnson's H2T with low poo
    Co-wash - Suave Nats. clar. or coco.
    RO - GVPCB, Ion Eff. Care, TN.
    LI - SMR, Cure Care, or RO
    Seal - MO or Jojoba
    DT - + honey, ACV, & EVOO to SM masque & GVPCB
    PT - Gelatin!, CNPF
    Styling - FSG, AIF, BRHG, LALS/PS, GF curl spray gel, SM Souffle/Smoothie, LOOB
    Oils - MO!, EVOO, jojoba, GSO, SM Elixer, EVCO, VO5 Hairdressing
  • beeduhbeeduh Posts: 684Registered Users
    Jas, how much of everything do you add?
    CG as of Feb. 2012
    combination hair.
    2c on top - low elasticity
    3a&b scattered underneath - normal elasticity.
    fine texture. thin density. A lot of it.
    porosity: normal to high.
    loves protein and moisture.
    BSACV as needed.

    products may vary. i'm a PJ.
    loving Curl Junkie, Curly Kinks, and AS I Am.
  • SaraNoHSaraNoH Posts: 827Registered Users
    Jas76 wrote: »
    I add corn starch, Epsom, jojoba oil, gelatin, CNPF, AVG, sometimes a little honey and/or KY (for the glycerin, mainly)... I think that's it! Lol! But it works BEAUTIFULLY!!
    I've tried adding unflavored gelatin to mine before (I guess parts of my hair like it) but can't get it to dissolve :(. It just turns into clumpy, gelatin blobs. When/how do you add it?
    CG Birthday: 7/25/11
    Type 3a/2c
    Dense, Fine in front Coarse in back, Low porosity
    Low-Poo: SM Moisture Retention Shampoo
    Rinse Out: Tresemme Naturals
    Leave In: ^^^^
    Stylers: AIF, Natural Silks Curly Gel
    *Desert Curly*
  • Jas76Jas76 Posts: 2,283Registered Users
    Beeduh - I posted that on a thread recently... Will try to find it!

    As for the gelatin - I dissolve the cornstarch and gelatin in room temp water, then add the FSG, then all the other stuff!
    2c/3a/3b, Fine/med, Dense, high porous, & normal elas.

    Lo-poo - Renpure Keratin, SMR, Giovanni SaS
    clarifying - mix Johnson's H2T with low poo
    Co-wash - Suave Nats. clar. or coco.
    RO - GVPCB, Ion Eff. Care, TN.
    LI - SMR, Cure Care, or RO
    Seal - MO or Jojoba
    DT - + honey, ACV, & EVOO to SM masque & GVPCB
    PT - Gelatin!, CNPF
    Styling - FSG, AIF, BRHG, LALS/PS, GF curl spray gel, SM Souffle/Smoothie, LOOB
    Oils - MO!, EVOO, jojoba, GSO, SM Elixer, EVCO, VO5 Hairdressing
  • Jas76Jas76 Posts: 2,283Registered Users
    Found it! Just going to paste the info here:

    Though the amounts won't be exact, but I'll try to estimate!

    First, I use bottled water for the whole thing.

    I put about a tbsp of corn starch in a bowl, a dissolve it in about a tbsp of cool water. Then I boil the seeds for 6-7mins, and strain them into the bowl. I won't get a great strain bc the mixture is a little thick (on purpose) so I put the seeds back into the pan (with more water). Then I add some jojoba oil - maybe 1tsp or so, 1/2-1 tsp of CNPF, about 2tsp of gelatin, 1-2tsp of Epsom, about a 1/4-1/2tsp or so of honey, and 1/4-1/2tsp of ACV, and about 1/8 cup or so of AVG.

    Then I strain the 2nd batch into the bowl, whisk, and pour into a bottle!

    Again, all the amounts are rough estimates, but are probably pretty close.

    I don't use mine for hold, just for curl enhancing and clumping. But this has been a fabulous batch!! :)

    And I wasn't clear on the gelatin - I dissolve it just after the corn starch, and then I add some of the FSG, stir, then add the rest.

    And usually if you get any clumps then can be broken apart easily.
    2c/3a/3b, Fine/med, Dense, high porous, & normal elas.

    Lo-poo - Renpure Keratin, SMR, Giovanni SaS
    clarifying - mix Johnson's H2T with low poo
    Co-wash - Suave Nats. clar. or coco.
    RO - GVPCB, Ion Eff. Care, TN.
    LI - SMR, Cure Care, or RO
    Seal - MO or Jojoba
    DT - + honey, ACV, & EVOO to SM masque & GVPCB
    PT - Gelatin!, CNPF
    Styling - FSG, AIF, BRHG, LALS/PS, GF curl spray gel, SM Souffle/Smoothie, LOOB
    Oils - MO!, EVOO, jojoba, GSO, SM Elixer, EVCO, VO5 Hairdressing
  • IAgirlIAgirl Posts: 2,540Registered Users
    Usually you need to put gelatin into boiling or near-boiling water and stir to get it to dissolve. I know some people who put gelatin into FSG sprinkle the gelatin over strained FSG (returned to the pan) and heat and whisk until it dissolves.

    The way to get cornstarch to thicken consistently is to dissolve it in a little cold water, then add it back to strained FSG and re-heat and whisk until it thickens a little (boil, then simmer for a minute). Starches need to be cooked to thicken.
  • unicyclistunicyclist Posts: 181Registered Users
    How long do FSG and cokra gel last? I would love to try them! Do any of them last 1+ month?
    Routine
    Weekly Shampoo: Kinky-Curly Come Clean + Coconut Oil
    Co-wash/RO: Cure Care Skin & Hair Conditioner
    LI: Kinky-Curly Knot Today
    Styler: Kinky-Curly Curling Custard

    Techniques
    • combing to detangle and separate curls
    • scrunch 'n pump!
    • t-shirt turban
    Hair :love1: coconut oil and protein
    Hair :angry7: silicones, sulfates, glycerin, synthetic ingredients

    2c/C/ii/low porosity. Growing out!
    *November- above chin
    *January- at chin
    *March- around collarbone
    :)
  • SaraNoHSaraNoH Posts: 827Registered Users
    unicyclist wrote: »
    How long do FSG and cokra gel last? I would love to try them! Do any of them last 1+ month?

    Without preservatives I don't think very long. I made a batch and froze half of it, and within a few days the stuff I didn't freeze started to smell kinda funky. I just defrosted and used the other half of the FSG, and it was perfectly fine! So, freezing works :)

    Does anyone have trouble applying FSG sometimes? It always finds a way through my fingers whilst scrunching and gets all over the tub! xP
    CG Birthday: 7/25/11
    Type 3a/2c
    Dense, Fine in front Coarse in back, Low porosity
    Low-Poo: SM Moisture Retention Shampoo
    Rinse Out: Tresemme Naturals
    Leave In: ^^^^
    Stylers: AIF, Natural Silks Curly Gel
    *Desert Curly*
  • IAgirlIAgirl Posts: 2,540Registered Users
    SaraNoH wrote: »
    Does anyone have trouble applying FSG sometimes? It always finds a way through my fingers whilst scrunching and gets all over the tub! xP

    Only sometimes? How about all the time. I often make mine really thick with xanthan gum to stop that, but still hear that gloppy "splat" now and then.
    I have a bunch of stuff about preserving FSG here, I have read such great ideas about freezing it in ice cube trays and defrosting as needed which is truly inspired. science-y hair blog: Preserving Your Homemade Hair Gels