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Not factoring climates and dewpoints

Does anyone not factor dew points and climates into their daily hair routine? I never do and I'm starting to wonder if I should. I regularly get good hair days here in the bay area regardless of the weather. I want to do the research but my brain is burnt out from all the CG method info I've learned from the past 9 months. I don't to do anymore research :(

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  • Corrina777Corrina777 Posts: 3,193Registered Users
    I haven't been factoring dew point or climate either. Too much thought required in the morning before I have coffee. As long as you're happy with how your hair looks I don't think it's really necessary.

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  • redcelticcurlsredcelticcurls Posts: 17,502Registered Users
    It's a must for me, and second nature by now. My hair is porous, and porous hair is usually more reactive to climate changes than non porous hair.


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  • kathymackkathymack Posts: 9,999Registered Users
    It's a must for me, and second nature by now. My hair is porous, and porous hair is usually more reactive to climate changes than non porous hair.


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    +1, and my hair is the antithesis of yours! For me, it's the number of layers and not necessarily the products themselves.
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  • Corrina777Corrina777 Posts: 3,193Registered Users
    kathymack wrote: »
    It's a must for me, and second nature by now. My hair is porous, and porous hair is usually more reactive to climate changes than non porous hair.





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    +1, and my hair is the antithesis of yours! For me, it's the number of layers and not necessarily the products themselves.


    Hmm, I'm wondering if I should start paying more attention to this... My hair seems pretty consistent most of the time, but I also only started CG in November.

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  • curry curlscurry curls Posts: 969Registered Users Curl Dabbler
    I never have before. I generally just use conditioner as a leave-in/styler and have tried to make sure I have one I can use year round...no glycerin or anything like that. I just discovered Giovanni direct leave-in and love it. But, it has aloe listed as something like the 7th ingredient, so I'm paying more attention to the dew points to see if my hair doesn't like it if the dews go too low. I hope not. I like having the same routine/products year round. I hate paying attention to the weather.

    If you are having great hair days, then I wouldn't worry about it. :)
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  • beeduhbeeduh Posts: 684Registered Users
    I've been curious about this lately. I'm extremely new since being converted CG, so I've been doing a good bit of digging around the site and asking TONS of questions. :]

    The reason why I've asked about glycerin and dew points is because I'll (hopefully) be going to Montana in June. Compared to Alabama, Montana is a very dry state. So, I'm trying to figure out what products I need to with me, and I need ones that will work well in low dew points and dry air.
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  • Nikki3bNikki3b Posts: 327Registered Users
    Can anyone explain in brief the basics of dew points and climates. What to avoid in cold weather, hot weather, etc.....
  • kimmidawnkimmidawn Posts: 900Registered Users
    Corrina777 wrote: »
    kathymack wrote: »
    It's a must for me, and second nature by now. My hair is porous, and porous hair is usually more reactive to climate changes than non porous hair.





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    +1, and my hair is the antithesis of yours! For me, it's the number of layers and not necessarily the products themselves.


    Hmm, I'm wondering if I should start paying more attention to this... My hair seems pretty consistent most of the time, but I also only started CG in November.

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    Corrina, where in the country to you live? I live in Georgia and there hasn't been a huge difference in dewpoint this winter except going from low 30s to like mid to high 50s, so I'm thinking that may play a part in why my hair is so agreeable.
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  • Corrina777Corrina777 Posts: 3,193Registered Users
    I'm up in New York. It's been a very strange winter though.

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  • kathymackkathymack Posts: 9,999Registered Users
    I had a thought and did a little research to support it. Most places, other then the desert, get more humid in the summer. My thought was that Montana summer dew point might be similar to your Georgia winter dew point. I did a search for "Montana dew point in June." I came up with weather information--and had to pick a city. Helena, Montana has average June dew point in the 50's. Here's the link: Average Weather For Helena, Montana, United States - WeatherSpark You can check other cities on that website.

    So, you should be able to use what you've been doing under similar dew points.
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  • rbbrbb Posts: 4,089Registered Users Curl Dabbler
    Nikki3b wrote: »
    Can anyone explain in brief the basics of dew points and climates. What to avoid in cold weather, hot weather, etc.....

    there are articles here on nc, and many websites. do a search here and then a google search.

    in brief, curly hair is more dry -- CURLY HAIR NEEDS MOISTURE and is always seeking it.
    humectants, most particularly glycerin, also seeks moisture. in low dewpoints it cannot get moisture from the air, so it will take it from our hair, causing it to be dry, lose curl. in high dew points glycerin can take in too much moisture causing our hair to 'swell.'

    40 to 60 range is considered the best for curly hair. everyone's hair is different, tho. my hair loves glycerin in mid and high dew points, seems my hair cannot get enough moisture! lol!! i even consider the places i will be -- ie, will i be spending a good part of the day in an overheated, dry bldg which has low dew points? watch my curl disappear, my hair look like a dry nest!! unless i seal in my moisture that day.

    i always check the dew point before i wash my hair, makes it easier to determine which products to use. you can use the frizz factor on the home page here, just put in your zip code. i go to weatherunderground.com for my zip code.

    remember it is the dew point, not the humidity that is important. ie, it can be 20 degrees out, snowing so it would be 100% humidity, but the dew point is never above the actual temp, so dew point would be 20 or most likely lower, so a dry day for hair, no moisture in that cold air.

    HTH!

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  • beeduhbeeduh Posts: 684Registered Users
    kathymack wrote: »
    I had a thought and did a little research to support it. Most places, other then the desert, get more humid in the summer. My thought was that Montana summer dew point might be similar to your Georgia winter dew point. I did a search for "Montana dew point in June." I came up with weather information--and had to pick a city. Helena, Montana has average June dew point in the 50's. Here's the link: Average Weather For Helena, Montana, United States - WeatherSpark You can check other cities on that website.

    So, you should be able to use what you've been doing under similar dew points.

    Thanks. Sadly I'm not sure what the dew point has been this winter for Alabama, I just started my CG journey in February. And the weather has been cRaZy! So pretty much I don't know what products would work the best for me in MT.
    CG as of Feb. 2012
    combination hair.
    2c on top - low elasticity
    3a&b scattered underneath - normal elasticity.
    fine texture. thin density. A lot of it.
    porosity: normal to high.
    loves protein and moisture.
    BSACV as needed.

    products may vary. i'm a PJ.
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  • Nikki3bNikki3b Posts: 327Registered Users
    rbb wrote: »
    Nikki3b wrote: »
    Can anyone explain in brief the basics of dew points and climates. What to avoid in cold weather, hot weather, etc.....

    there are articles here on nc, and many websites. do a search here and then a google search.

    in brief, curly hair is more dry -- CURLY HAIR NEEDS MOISTURE and is always seeking it.
    humectants, most particularly glycerin, also seeks moisture. in low dewpoints it cannot get moisture from the air, so it will take it from our hair, causing it to be dry, lose curl. in high dew points glycerin can take in too much moisture causing our hair to 'swell.'

    40 to 60 range is considered the best for curly hair. everyone's hair is different, tho. my hair loves glycerin in mid and high dew points, seems my hair cannot get enough moisture! lol!! i even consider the places i will be -- ie, will i be spending a good part of the day in an overheated, dry bldg which has low dew points? watch my curl disappear, my hair look like a dry nest!! unless i seal in my moisture that day.

    i always check the dew point before i wash my hair, makes it easier to determine which products to use. you can use the frizz factor on the home page here, just put in your zip code. i go to weatherunderground.com for my zip code.

    remember it is the dew point, not the humidity that is important. ie, it can be 20 degrees out, snowing so it would be 100% humidity, but the dew point is never above the actual temp, so dew point would be 20 or most likely lower, so a dry day for hair, no moisture in that cold air.

    HTH!
    Thanks rbb, so basically it's all about how dry the air is regardless of temp., therefore determining what products to use. Be it with humectant for lower dew point or less for higher dew point, I think I got that right lol
  • StarmieStarmie Posts: 6,677Registered Users Curl Dabbler
    Dew points have always been a mystery to me (I do kind of understand, lol) so I take no notice of them really (and I don't have the time or inclination to faff about on the computer in a morning checking what it is each day). I live in a very dry climate and that suits me and my hair fine. I know if it's humid my hair's going to be a mess so I just tie it up. That's about as much factoring of the climate I do!
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  • RustinaRustina Posts: 894Registered Users
    I don't have to pay as much attention to dews now as I did early on in my journey. For about a year, I wrote down the temperature, dew point, products used, techniques used, and results I got every single day. It helped me to identify products and weather combinations that worked, and once I looked closely at those product ingredients, that gave me a blueprint to use any time. I now know that I need to avoid glycerin high on the ingredient list in the dry cold months, and that I need to DT pretty much every week in the winter, too. I've found that CJAO works for me year round, but CJDSC is only good in the warmer months. KCCC is my go-to styler in winter, but SSCEJ and FHG are my HG summer combo.

    Since I'm not a product junkie, I just stick with what I now know works in each season and I'm good to go, but I don't think I could have gotten to where I am without that year of tracking first.


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  • kathymackkathymack Posts: 9,999Registered Users
    beeduh wrote: »
    kathymack wrote: »
    I had a thought and did a little research to support it. Most places, other then the desert, get more humid in the summer. My thought was that Montana summer dew point might be similar to your Georgia winter dew point. I did a search for "Montana dew point in June." I came up with weather information--and had to pick a city. Helena, Montana has average June dew point in the 50's. Here's the link: Average Weather For Helena, Montana, United States - WeatherSpark You can check other cities on that website.

    So, you should be able to use what you've been doing under similar dew points.

    Thanks. Sadly I'm not sure what the dew point has been this winter for Alabama, I just started my CG journey in February. And the weather has been cRaZy! So pretty much I don't know what products would work the best for me in MT.

    I remember you saying that the dew point was low (32) in a post on another thread. Now you know that 32 is below average--but not low. I would assume that your dew point will be around that 50 as winter ends and spring begins. If you start paying attention to the dew point and your product success, you should have an idea of what works on your hair during average dew points.
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  • csjcsj Posts: 246Registered Users
    All the dew point stuff confounds me a bit. I am trying to keep an eye of the Curlcast and it's rec's but often they are contradictory.

    My other issue is glycerin - if it really does pull moisture out of hair in low dews and make hair swell in high dews why is it included in so many items? :roll:
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  • rbbrbb Posts: 4,089Registered Users Curl Dabbler
    because in the right dew points glycerin is great!!!
    and, my hair can tolerate glycerin in pretty high dew points; for my hair it's really the low dew points where i need to avoid glycerin.
    that still gives me many months out of the year that i can happily use glycerin.

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  • Corrina777Corrina777 Posts: 3,193Registered Users
    I looked up dew points here for last night and today- they're around 11. But I still got pretty good results with Curl Keeper last night. I'm completely baffled now.
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  • sweetmx85sweetmx85 Posts: 1,017Registered Users
    I never used to but i can def see a difference in my hair when I do, it only takes a couple seconds on my phone app to look before I hop in the shower, for me if it's in the 30s or below no glycerin products, above for me is fine I know some ppl don't use glycerin over 60 either but I haven't not used it then. if I do use it when it's in 30s or below my hair is extremely dry for days. so I just avoid it then.
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  • CurlsnswirlsCurlsnswirls Posts: 865Registered Users
    Corrina777 wrote: »
    I looked up dew points here for last night and today- they're around 11. But I still got pretty good results with Curl Keeper last night. I'm completely baffled now.

    I've been using CK alone in dew points 12 and under with fantastic results. I don't really have the time or patience to keep up with the the weather. I was just curious the times I used CK and was surprised because I thought it worked better in high dews? Either way, I'm LoVing it! I do use a moisturizing leave in with it and maybe that helps? Either way, it's working for me. Just hope it continues to work all year. :toothy10:
  • Morgan_AdcockMorgan_Adcock Posts: 2,573Registered Users
    Try keeping a hair diary which includes dew points, and an entry at the end of the day about how your hair held up. If there's a pattern, that should help you find it.
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