What am I looking for?

beeduhbeeduh Registered Users Posts: 684 Curl Neophyte
I think my hair needs protein, but I'm not sure how much. It also needs lots of moisture. I have done one homemade PT (it was interesting) and I noticed a HUGE difference in the texture and feeling of my hair (especially my underneath layers). And that's really about it. I have no clue how much protein my hair actually needs vs. how much moisture it needs. I know I need a pretty good amount of moisture. though.

My question(s): What type of proteins are best to look for in products?

I currently have KCCC, Devacurl, shea moisture shea butter masque, Renpure conditioners (red and green bottles), TN, GFTN, BioInfusion conditiong balm, JC revitalizing leave in conditioner, organix moroccon (sp?) curl perfection defining cream, organix coconut milk weightless mousse, HETMS mousse, HETT gel, LALSG, one n' only Argan Oil volume mousse, l'oreal eversleek smoothing cream, and that's all I can think of at the moment.

How often should you use a PT and products with protein?

How can you tell if you get too much protein?
CG as of Feb. 2012
combination hair.
2c on top - low elasticity
3a&b scattered underneath - normal elasticity.
fine texture. thin density. A lot of it.
porosity: normal to high.
loves protein and moisture.
BSACV as needed.

products may vary. i'm a PJ.
loving Curl Junkie, Curly Kinks, and AS I Am.

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  • RimiRimi Registered Users Posts: 2,001 Curl Neophyte
    beeduh wrote: »
    I think my hair needs protein, but I'm not sure how much. It also needs lots of moisture. I have done one homemade PT (it was interesting) and I noticed a HUGE difference in the texture and feeling of my hair (especially my underneath layers). And that's really about it. I have no clue how much protein my hair actually needs vs. how much moisture it needs. I know I need a pretty good amount of moisture. though.

    My question(s): What type of proteins are best to look for in products?

    I currently have KCCC, Devacurl, shea moisture shea butter masque, Renpure conditioners (red and green bottles), TN, GFTN, BioInfusion conditiong balm, JC revitalizing leave in conditioner, organix moroccon (sp?) curl perfection defining cream, organix coconut milk weightless mousse, HETMS mousse, HETT gel, LALSG, one n' only Argan Oil volume mousse, l'oreal eversleek smoothing cream, and that's all I can think of at the moment.

    How often should you use a PT and products with protein?

    How can you tell if you get too much protein?

    I read that hydrolized proteins are the best to look for, as they actually bind to the hair shaft. Nature's Gate conditioners have hydrolized proteins, and they work very well as a pt...at least for me.

    I'd say to do a pt every 6 weeks or so. You'll know that you've had too much protein when, even after doing a moisturizing treatment, your hair feels brittle and straw-like.
    21 y/o lifelong natural {4a-O ; spongy ; coarse ; dense ; MBL stretched}

    products {'poo: TJTTT shampoo | RO: TJTTT Condish | LI/style: TJTTT Condish, homemade cocoa butter cream | DC: condish + ayurvedic powder(s), Aussie 3MMM Treatment | PT: condish + NPF | oils: castor oil, grapeseed oil | other treatments: probiotics, tea rinses, AVG rinse/spritz, oil rinse | sealing method: LC sometimes O}

    long-term: HL stretched, BSL unstretched

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  • Corrina777Corrina777 Registered Users Posts: 3,204 Curl Connoisseur
    You'll definitely be able to tell if you go overboard with protein. Unfortunately a lot of this is trial and error. I'm able to do a strong PT once a week and rotate in a protein heavy RO once or twice each week in addition. I basically figured it out by increasing the strength and duration of my PTs and not seeing any signs of too much protein. Then I started adding the protein RO several weeks ago.
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    3a/f/iii
    Modified CG since 11/5/11
    CLEANSE: CJ Daily Fix, DevaCare No-Poo, CHS Treatment Shampoo
    RO: SS Caitlin's Conditioner, CJ Beauticurls Strengthening
    LI: SS Repairing Protein Treatment, CHS Silk Leave-In
    STYLE: Re:Coil, Curl Keeper, Deva Ultra Defining Gel, Curls Rock Amplifier,Sweet Curls Elixirs Okra Gel and Hard Hold Gel, SS Curl Enhancing Jelly and Firm Hold Gel
  • beeduhbeeduh Registered Users Posts: 684 Curl Neophyte
    Do you know what other products contain this protein? Besides NG?
    CG as of Feb. 2012
    combination hair.
    2c on top - low elasticity
    3a&b scattered underneath - normal elasticity.
    fine texture. thin density. A lot of it.
    porosity: normal to high.
    loves protein and moisture.
    BSACV as needed.

    products may vary. i'm a PJ.
    loving Curl Junkie, Curly Kinks, and AS I Am.
  • beeduhbeeduh Registered Users Posts: 684 Curl Neophyte
    Corrina777 wrote: »
    You'll definitely be able to tell if you go overboard with protein. Unfortunately a lot of this is trial and error. I'm able to do a strong PT once a week and rotate in a protein heavy RO once or twice each week in addition. I basically figured it out by increasing the strength and duration of my PTs and not seeing any signs of too much protein. Then I started adding the protein RO several weeks ago.

    What products do you use for this?
    CG as of Feb. 2012
    combination hair.
    2c on top - low elasticity
    3a&b scattered underneath - normal elasticity.
    fine texture. thin density. A lot of it.
    porosity: normal to high.
    loves protein and moisture.
    BSACV as needed.

    products may vary. i'm a PJ.
    loving Curl Junkie, Curly Kinks, and AS I Am.
  • RimiRimi Registered Users Posts: 2,001 Curl Neophyte
    beeduh wrote: »
    Do you know what other products contain this protein? Besides NG?

    I've heard good things about spiral solutions repairing protein treatment, shescenit okra reconstruct or, mop c hydrating conditioner, and curl junkie repair me
    21 y/o lifelong natural {4a-O ; spongy ; coarse ; dense ; MBL stretched}

    products {'poo: TJTTT shampoo | RO: TJTTT Condish | LI/style: TJTTT Condish, homemade cocoa butter cream | DC: condish + ayurvedic powder(s), Aussie 3MMM Treatment | PT: condish + NPF | oils: castor oil, grapeseed oil | other treatments: probiotics, tea rinses, AVG rinse/spritz, oil rinse | sealing method: LC sometimes O}

    long-term: HL stretched, BSL unstretched

    CG-friendly Products List!
  • kimmidawnkimmidawn Registered Users Posts: 900
    I use protein products about the same amount as Corrina and I use IAgirl's PT (recipe can be found on the 2 board I think, it's really easy to make), and for my protein heavy rinse out, I use Cure Care (can be found at Sally's) and Aubrey Organics GPB. I'm also going to try Ion Effective Care for a rinse out.
    2b, fine texture, normal porosity & elasticity (CG as of 12/2011)

    Low-poo: UFD Rich & Funky
    Cowash: VO5 Kiwi Lime
    RO: Tresemme Naturals, Aubrey Organics GPB, Ion Effective Care, MillCreek Keratin
    PT/DT: IAgirl's PT, GVP CB
    LI: KCKT, Cure Care, CJ CCCC Lite
    Styling: Curl Keeper, As I Am Jelly, UFD Curly Magic, CJ Curl Queen, TIGI Strong Hold Mousse


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  • Corrina777Corrina777 Registered Users Posts: 3,204 Curl Connoisseur
    I usually use IAGirl's PT recipe for my weekly PT- I sit under heat for about 30 minutes, then follow with a DT. In a pinch I use Aphogee 2 step (IAGirl's recipe was designed to give very similar results to Aphogee, which has a very strong smell).

    Prior to trying IAGirl's PT, I tried (in order from what I felt was weakest to strongest)
    GVP Reconstructing Conditioner
    Giovanni Hair Reconstructor
    CJ Repair Me

    I now use these other products as my RO once or twice a week (I blend with a regular moisturizing conditioner to get my protein and moisture in one step- I normally mix with GFTN). I also added ION Effective Care in the protein RO rotation. Typically fine hair can handle (and likes) lots of protein.
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
    3a/f/iii
    Modified CG since 11/5/11
    CLEANSE: CJ Daily Fix, DevaCare No-Poo, CHS Treatment Shampoo
    RO: SS Caitlin's Conditioner, CJ Beauticurls Strengthening
    LI: SS Repairing Protein Treatment, CHS Silk Leave-In
    STYLE: Re:Coil, Curl Keeper, Deva Ultra Defining Gel, Curls Rock Amplifier,Sweet Curls Elixirs Okra Gel and Hard Hold Gel, SS Curl Enhancing Jelly and Firm Hold Gel
  • beeduhbeeduh Registered Users Posts: 684 Curl Neophyte
    I'm unfamiliar with IAgirl. Where do you get it? Also, when I washed my hair tonight I used the GFTN as my RO. It felt like my hair literally sucked it up and when I rinsed it didn't feel like it was moisturizer enough. What could this mean?

    Are there any drugstore brands I could try for my protien? I'm not too thrilled with Sally's to be honest. I did get a sample of the ion protein reparative thing that I have not tried yet, and a sample of some sort of DT.
    CG as of Feb. 2012
    combination hair.
    2c on top - low elasticity
    3a&b scattered underneath - normal elasticity.
    fine texture. thin density. A lot of it.
    porosity: normal to high.
    loves protein and moisture.
    BSACV as needed.

    products may vary. i'm a PJ.
    loving Curl Junkie, Curly Kinks, and AS I Am.
  • Corrina777Corrina777 Registered Users Posts: 3,204 Curl Connoisseur
    Hopefully as your hair gets healthier you won't need to use as much of the GFTN. Most of us use way more conditioner when we first start CG because our hair has been waiting for more moisture.

    IAGirl is a member here and her recipe is for a homemade PT (super cheap and easy to make). The thread with the recipe is on the 2s forum.

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    3a/f/iii
    Modified CG since 11/5/11
    CLEANSE: CJ Daily Fix, DevaCare No-Poo, CHS Treatment Shampoo
    RO: SS Caitlin's Conditioner, CJ Beauticurls Strengthening
    LI: SS Repairing Protein Treatment, CHS Silk Leave-In
    STYLE: Re:Coil, Curl Keeper, Deva Ultra Defining Gel, Curls Rock Amplifier,Sweet Curls Elixirs Okra Gel and Hard Hold Gel, SS Curl Enhancing Jelly and Firm Hold Gel
  • Jas76Jas76 Registered Users Posts: 2,283 Curl Neophyte
    Corina is my hair twin - I, too, use a ton of protein. I do IAgirl's gelatin PT - works wonders!!! And I use others during the week.

    I use GVP k-pac (from Sally's), nexxus's protein condish - can't think of the name... And I'll use Colorful Neutral Protein Filler (also from Sally's). I'll add a few drops to condish, put some in my refresher spray, in my FSG, as well!

    Then I leave my moisturing RO half if and add a LI, just to balance the moisture. There are proteins in most of my stylers, too.

    And I always follow my PT's with DT's.

    Hth!!
    2c/3a/3b, Fine/med, Dense, high porous, & normal elas.

    Lo-poo - Renpure Keratin, SMR, Giovanni SaS
    clarifying - mix Johnson's H2T with low poo
    Co-wash - Suave Nats. clar. or coco.
    RO - GVPCB, Ion Eff. Care, TN.
    LI - SMR, Cure Care, or RO
    Seal - MO or Jojoba
    DT - + honey, ACV, & EVOO to SM masque & GVPCB
    PT - Gelatin!, CNPF
    Styling - FSG, AIF, BRHG, LALS/PS, GF curl spray gel, SM Souffle/Smoothie, LOOB
    Oils - MO!, EVOO, jojoba, GSO, SM Elixer, EVCO, VO5 Hairdressing
  • beeduhbeeduh Registered Users Posts: 684 Curl Neophyte
    Where do you get FSG? Everyone talks about it, but I have no clue. I know it's flax seed gel but I still don't really know what it is. :-/
    CG as of Feb. 2012
    combination hair.
    2c on top - low elasticity
    3a&b scattered underneath - normal elasticity.
    fine texture. thin density. A lot of it.
    porosity: normal to high.
    loves protein and moisture.
    BSACV as needed.

    products may vary. i'm a PJ.
    loving Curl Junkie, Curly Kinks, and AS I Am.
  • kimmidawnkimmidawn Registered Users Posts: 900
    beeduh wrote: »
    Where do you get FSG? Everyone talks about it, but I have no clue. I know it's flax seed gel but I still don't really know what it is. :-/

    Most people on here make FSG, basically by boiling flax seeds in water for around five minutes and straining to get the gel. Hopefully someone can put the link on here.
    2b, fine texture, normal porosity & elasticity (CG as of 12/2011)

    Low-poo: UFD Rich & Funky
    Cowash: VO5 Kiwi Lime
    RO: Tresemme Naturals, Aubrey Organics GPB, Ion Effective Care, MillCreek Keratin
    PT/DT: IAgirl's PT, GVP CB
    LI: KCKT, Cure Care, CJ CCCC Lite
    Styling: Curl Keeper, As I Am Jelly, UFD Curly Magic, CJ Curl Queen, TIGI Strong Hold Mousse


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    ^^ day 1 of going CG; avatar = 6 months later
  • Jas76Jas76 Registered Users Posts: 2,283 Curl Neophyte
    Yeah, I make my FSG and put several additives in it.

    Jessicurl makes an FSG called Rockin Ringlets. I've never tried it, but I hear good things. I just make my own because it's quick, easy, CHEAP, and I can add whatever I want in whatever amounts I want.
    2c/3a/3b, Fine/med, Dense, high porous, & normal elas.

    Lo-poo - Renpure Keratin, SMR, Giovanni SaS
    clarifying - mix Johnson's H2T with low poo
    Co-wash - Suave Nats. clar. or coco.
    RO - GVPCB, Ion Eff. Care, TN.
    LI - SMR, Cure Care, or RO
    Seal - MO or Jojoba
    DT - + honey, ACV, & EVOO to SM masque & GVPCB
    PT - Gelatin!, CNPF
    Styling - FSG, AIF, BRHG, LALS/PS, GF curl spray gel, SM Souffle/Smoothie, LOOB
    Oils - MO!, EVOO, jojoba, GSO, SM Elixer, EVCO, VO5 Hairdressing
  • beeduhbeeduh Registered Users Posts: 684 Curl Neophyte
    So is FSG protein? And where do you get the seeds?

    Also, I've noticed in products that there are different tpes of proteins. Does this mean that if it says "protein", it's a protein?
    CG as of Feb. 2012
    combination hair.
    2c on top - low elasticity
    3a&b scattered underneath - normal elasticity.
    fine texture. thin density. A lot of it.
    porosity: normal to high.
    loves protein and moisture.
    BSACV as needed.

    products may vary. i'm a PJ.
    loving Curl Junkie, Curly Kinks, and AS I Am.
  • kimmidawnkimmidawn Registered Users Posts: 900
    beeduh wrote: »
    So is FSG protein? And where do you get the seeds?

    Also, I've noticed in products that there are different tpes of proteins. Does this mean that if it says "protein", it's a protein?

    Flax seeds are not protein but I add gelatin to my FSG so mine has protein in it. Most people who are protein sensitive are able to use FSG fine. You can generally get flax seeds at health food stores but I found mine at Kroger.

    As far as whether or not something is a protein, idk this as well as others but generally it will say something like soy protein or hydrolyzed wheat protein. I know silk amino acids are considered a protein also.
    2b, fine texture, normal porosity & elasticity (CG as of 12/2011)

    Low-poo: UFD Rich & Funky
    Cowash: VO5 Kiwi Lime
    RO: Tresemme Naturals, Aubrey Organics GPB, Ion Effective Care, MillCreek Keratin
    PT/DT: IAgirl's PT, GVP CB
    LI: KCKT, Cure Care, CJ CCCC Lite
    Styling: Curl Keeper, As I Am Jelly, UFD Curly Magic, CJ Curl Queen, TIGI Strong Hold Mousse


    http://public.fotki.com/kdawn12/

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    ^^ day 1 of going CG; avatar = 6 months later
  • AmazinnaturalAmazinnatural Registered Users Posts: 755
    Flax seeds are a source of proteins, as well as fiber, and omega-3.

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    Products I love:
    Ion Dandruff/Seborrheic Dermatitis Tar Shampoo
    Suave Shea Butter Conditioner
    Biolage Scalp Therapy Shampoo
    Biolage Fortify Therapy Shampoo
    Trader Joe's Tea Tree Tingle Conditioner
    Beautiful Textures Rapid Repair Deep Conditioner
    Shea butter, olive oil, coconut oil, apricot oil, peppermint oil, tea tree oil, and eucalyptus oil
  • beeduhbeeduh Registered Users Posts: 684 Curl Neophyte
    I have several products that say silk proteins or silk amino acids.

    Thanks.
    CG as of Feb. 2012
    combination hair.
    2c on top - low elasticity
    3a&b scattered underneath - normal elasticity.
    fine texture. thin density. A lot of it.
    porosity: normal to high.
    loves protein and moisture.
    BSACV as needed.

    products may vary. i'm a PJ.
    loving Curl Junkie, Curly Kinks, and AS I Am.
  • Geek_ChicGeek_Chic Registered Users Posts: 1,275 Curl Connoisseur
    Beeduh, proteins in products may say just that, silk protein for instance. Some may leave off "protein" and just say what they are, like Keratin or Collagen. They can also be hydrolyzed, which means the protein has been broken into pieces, such as hydrolyzed wheat protein. They can also appear as amino acids, the building blocks of proteins, like silk amino acids.

    You might want to check out Ingredients Commonly Found in Hair Care Products. It's a good reference for what's what in a product.
    CG since 11/2011
    2c /3a F /Mii, low porosity

    Go To Products /Routine:
    Clarifying: Suave Essentials Strawberry
    Low Poo: Renpure Luxurious Argan Oil
    CO: Suave Essentials Strawberry, V05 Kiwi Lime
    RO /LI: Tresemme Perfectly (un)Done, Cure Care, V05 Kiwi Lime Squeeze, Suave Essentials Strawberry, Renpure Brazilian Keratin (old formula)
    Stylers: LALSG, AIF, HETT, Suave Professionals Firm Control
    PT: IAGirl's as needed
  • beeduhbeeduh Registered Users Posts: 684 Curl Neophyte
    Thanks Geek_chic.

    It looks like my hair really likes protein. :]
    CG as of Feb. 2012
    combination hair.
    2c on top - low elasticity
    3a&b scattered underneath - normal elasticity.
    fine texture. thin density. A lot of it.
    porosity: normal to high.
    loves protein and moisture.
    BSACV as needed.

    products may vary. i'm a PJ.
    loving Curl Junkie, Curly Kinks, and AS I Am.

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