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Question about flax seed gel

If flax seed gel has to be refrigerated or frozen after making it so it won't spoil then how does that work for it to be in your hair without it going bad? Won't it start to smell or go rancid on your tresses then possibly cause scalp infections?

For those who are avid flax seed gel users, what has been your experience? Pray tell...
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Low Porosity; Medium Strands; Dense

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  • Nikki3bNikki3b Posts: 327Registered Users
    Bacteria grows in water. There are no preservatives in the flax seed gel to keep the bacteria from growing. It's only slowed down by refrigeration because of the low temp. It doesn't go bad in your hair because the water evaporates, it doesn't give bacteria time to grow
  • TeamKVTeamKV Posts: 1Registered Users
    I have used a few drops of grapefruit seed extract or colloidal silver in my FSG and it doesn't go rancid. It takes a long time to go rancid anyway.
  • Jas76Jas76 Posts: 2,283Registered Users
    Mine has a lot of additives that have some preservatives in them, which helps some.

    But as another poster said - it dries in your hair so it's a non-issue.

    Now traveling with it - that's a whole other story!
    2c/3a/3b, Fine/med, Dense, high porous, & normal elas.

    Lo-poo - Renpure Keratin, SMR, Giovanni SaS
    clarifying - mix Johnson's H2T with low poo
    Co-wash - Suave Nats. clar. or coco.
    RO - GVPCB, Ion Eff. Care, TN.
    LI - SMR, Cure Care, or RO
    Seal - MO or Jojoba
    DT - + honey, ACV, & EVOO to SM masque & GVPCB
    PT - Gelatin!, CNPF
    Styling - FSG, AIF, BRHG, LALS/PS, GF curl spray gel, SM Souffle/Smoothie, LOOB
    Oils - MO!, EVOO, jojoba, GSO, SM Elixer, EVCO, VO5 Hairdressing
  • SaraNoHSaraNoH Posts: 827Registered Users
    plus, I think it would take more than 1 day to go noticeable bad. It's not like milk, where if you leave it out all day it's a goner. Bacteria grow fast, but not that fast.
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    Type 3a/2c
    Dense, Fine in front Coarse in back, Low porosity
    Low-Poo: SM Moisture Retention Shampoo
    Rinse Out: Tresemme Naturals
    Leave In: ^^^^
    Stylers: AIF, Natural Silks Curly Gel
    *Desert Curly*
  • belwillcoilybelwillcoily Posts: 303Registered Users
    So yesterday I tried my hand (for the first time) at FSG.

    The first batch I boiled too long and it was waaay to thick. I had to throw that away.

    Blessedly I had the whole afternoon free and I was able to keep going with my attempts. The second time was the charm. :wink:

    I boiled my FSG in water and AVJ. After extracting the gel from the seeds, I added grapefruit seed extract and vitamin E as preservatives then popped the FSG in the refridgerator. But since I added preservatives, do I still need to refridgerate to keep it from going bad it or can I keep it on the shelf with my other products?

    Also, could I get some proportionality directions with regard to the preservatives? I had no idea how much (or how little) of the GSE and vitamin E I should put into my FSG. You know?

    Thanks in advance to anyone offering help and guidance.

    Ciao!
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    Low Porosity; Medium Strands; Dense
  • kathymackkathymack Posts: 9,999Registered Users
    Vit E is not a preservative, it's an antioxidant and will extend the life of your product, but not a lot. GSE is controversial as to whether or not it's a preservative. If you search, you'll find that the "chemists" around here don't think so.

    My hair likes the more natural products, but preservation is something I take seriously. I'll will use a synthetic preservative. Tinosan or potassium sorbate are newer on the market and considered natural preservatives.
    3a (Corkicelli), highlighted, fine, low porosity
    SE PA

    HGs: Anything Sevi; Curly Kinks Satin Roots, Curlycue ReNew and Coil Jam; homemade FSG and okra gel; soap bars; UFD Curly Magic; Botanical Spirits Jellies, CJ Repair Me, Aloe Fix
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  • belwillcoilybelwillcoily Posts: 303Registered Users
    kathymack wrote: »
    Vit E is not a preservative, it's an antioxidant and will extend the life of your product, but not a lot. GSE is controversial as to whether or not it's a preservative. If you search, you'll find that the "chemists" around here don't think so.

    My hair likes the more natural products, but preservation is something I take seriously. I'll will use a synthetic preservative. Tinosan or potassium sorbate are newer on the market and considered natural preservatives.

    Hi Kathymack. :wave:

    Thanks for responding.

    Would you mind giving me some examples of synthetic preservatives? Also, do you know where I could get my hands on some of these synthetic preservatives?

    With regard to the natural preservatives, I have never heard of Tinosan but potassium sorbate is in KCCC. It's the second to the last ingredient so it would seem that she didn't use much. The ingredient right before potassium sorbate is citric acid which I would assume is possibly serving as a preservative of sorts as well?

    Anyway, I bring up KCCC because my hair really loves this stuff but my wallet doesn't. LOL! This is what pushed me to start experimenting with FSG and because my hair seems to hate all non-natural gels. Period. Even some of the other natural gels out there (i.e. KMFUM gel and 100% AVG) my hair is not too fond of. With the FSG, I can add ingredients to it that I know my hair likes and it's much more cost effective with regard to this weekly habit I have of using gel in my tresses to help control frizz. (Imagine that!) ;-)

    In any case, I too take preservation very seriously. No way do I want to wind up with some sort of scalp infection so that's why I love that I have this site as a resource to help me along as I try to figure all of this out.

    Again, thanks for your response.

    Ciao!

    Oh, also a few more things...
    Do you know where I could get Tinosan or potassium sorbate? Are those ingredients that you can find on the ground or do you have to order them online? Is it better to err on the side of caution and put alot of these preservatives in the product or just minute amounts? Sorry for all the questions, like I said, I'm just trying to learn and get it right.
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    Low Porosity; Medium Strands; Dense
  • kathymackkathymack Posts: 9,999Registered Users
    When I googled "natural preservatives" a link to fromnaturewithlove.com came up that had a lot of information Using Preservatives to Extend the Shelf Life of Your Products - FNWL If you google any of the others that are of interest, you'll find where you can buy them. Pretty sure it will have to be online.

    Citric acid serves a few purposes in food/hair products. It's considered a natural preservative (wouldn't expect it to keep your FSG from spoiling too long) and it lowers the pH. Hair has a lower pH (on the acid side of normal.) The reason that the preservative is near the end of the ingredient list is that only a small amount is used/needed. I think I read that it's around 1% of the product.
    3a (Corkicelli), highlighted, fine, low porosity
    SE PA

    HGs: Anything Sevi; Curly Kinks Satin Roots, Curlycue ReNew and Coil Jam; homemade FSG and okra gel; soap bars; UFD Curly Magic; Botanical Spirits Jellies, CJ Repair Me, Aloe Fix
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  • CeriCeri Posts: 142Registered Users
    Real preservatives need to be added to your formula by weight. So this means you need to buy yourself a scale to weigh out your ingredients. I prefer to work in grams instead of oz, smaller increments and easier math.

    The amount of preservative needed for your formula will depend on the type of preservative you choose. My favorite is Liquid Germall Plus and I use the max allowed in my FSG, which is .5%.

    You will also need to buy a good thermometer. Preservatives need to be added at certain temperatures, again this will depend on the one you choose. LGP likes to be added at around 45C or 113F.

    Preservatives will only keep NEW nasties from forming in your creation, but they won’t kill any that are already there! That is why it is very important to make sure all of your equipment is clean and sanitized. I run everything through the dishwasher and spray them down with alcohol first. I only use glass or stainless steal because they are the easiest to sanitize. Use bottled distilled water to make any creation needing water in it, I buy mine at Target for $.89 a gallon. Always use NEW containers to store your FSG in. Re-using old conditioner bottles etc. is a no-no. New containers don’t need to be washed out first, they are considered clean from the manufacturer. If you’re going to do, do it right. You deserve that, don’t you?

    While you seeds are boiling, take you clean bowl that you will be working with and set it on top of your scale. Now push the tare button so that the weight is ‘0’. This will give you the weight of just the ingredients, not the bowl + ingredients. When the gel is done, strain the seeds out, and weigh out the gel. Add any extra stuff, like agave, honey, aloe vera, oils, fragrance etc. Now that everything is in, you can figure out how much preservative to add.

    For easy math, we’ll say everything added weighs 400 grams (just over 14 oz).

    .5% of 400g = 2g

    So, for this batch you will need to add only 2 grams of LGP to your FSG when it has cooled down to at least 113F. Stir it in well, and pour into your container.

    The link that Kathymack provided gives some good info as well. Although I’m one of those that don’t believe that GSE is a proper preservative.

    Lotioncrafter is a great place to buy preservatives and equipment, like scales.

    MMS has good prices on containers and lots of other goodies.

    Good luck!
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    Modified CG since November 2009
    Low Poo - (Once in a while) True Polaris Solid Shampoo Bar
    CO-wash/Condish - (I'm lazy, one step only!) True Polaris Solid Conditioner Bars
    Styling - True Polaris Truly Curly Styling Gel I add 'cones in summer Truly Frizz Free Hair Serum
    I plop and defuse daily


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  • monipearlmonipearl Posts: 95Registered Users
    Ceri wrote: »
    Always use NEW containers to store your FSG in. Re-using old conditioner bottles etc. is a no-no. New containers don’t need to be washed out first, they are considered clean from the manufacturer. If you’re going to do, do it right. You deserve that, don’t you?

    what do you do with the containers after you've used up the fsg?? i've put off making my own gel after reading all the info here. it makes my head spin.
    3c-4b. probably.
    medium/coarse texture.
    (extremely)high density.
    low porosity, normal elasticity.
    co-wash: suave naturals daily clarifying condish with drops of rosemary oil.
    detangling conditioner: tresemme naturals.
    deep conditioner: curly kinks curlycue renew, b.a.s.k. cacao bark, honey/evoo.
  • CeriCeri Posts: 142Registered Users
    monipearl wrote: »
    Ceri wrote: »
    Always use NEW containers to store your FSG in. Re-using old conditioner bottles etc. is a no-no. New containers don’t need to be washed out first, they are considered clean from the manufacturer. If you’re going to do, do it right. You deserve that, don’t you?

    what do you do with the containers after you've used up the fsg?? i've put off making my own gel after reading all the info here. it makes my head spin.

    The same thing I do with any used plastic container, place them in the recycle bin. The bottles I use have the recycle symbol on the bottom. I also use larger 16 oz bottles and make large batches each time, but I sell mine at our farmer's market too.

    Yeah, there's a lot of work involved to do it properly.
    3a/3b Medium Texture & Normal Porosity
    Modified CG since November 2009
    Low Poo - (Once in a while) True Polaris Solid Shampoo Bar
    CO-wash/Condish - (I'm lazy, one step only!) True Polaris Solid Conditioner Bars
    Styling - True Polaris Truly Curly Styling Gel I add 'cones in summer Truly Frizz Free Hair Serum
    I plop and defuse daily


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  • belwillcoilybelwillcoily Posts: 303Registered Users
    Thanks again Kathymack. And thank you too to Ceri.

    I read both your posts and read the website links you all sent me. I agree with Monipearl that this is enough to make your head spin!

    My hats off to you, Ceri for all of that extra time and effort you invest to make it right! No germies in your FSG for sure! :notworthy:

    I *think* though (since I don't plan on selling my FSG) that for my personal needs I can get away with using clean metal or glass pots, sterile; clean, new containers to store my FSG, make it in small batches, and keep it in the 'fridge between uses. I use gel weekly on my hair so I know that I will use it up quickly and won't have to worry about it spoiling from being in the 'fridge too long. I'll also just keep a jar of KCCC on hand for those times when it won't be practical to use my FSG (i.e. during times of traveling).

    Thanks so much again for the information in both your posts and in the links you provided. I really appreciate it. :thumbup:

    Ciao!

    BTW, I tried my homemade FSG on my tresses. In fact, I applied my FSG to the hair on my left side and KCCC to the hair on my right so I could have a side-by-side comparison. So far, I am very excited by what I am seeing. The FSG is holding its own next to the KCCC. I have found (thus far) that it takes a little longer to SOTC with regard to the FSG but that also translates to multiple day hair before I have to add more to my tresses versus the KCCC. You know? I hope that makes sense. Anyway, like I said, I'm pretty excited as this is going to save me tons of money. :toothy8: Thanks again!
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  • chococatchococat Posts: 51Registered Users
    Make a big batch, setting aside some to freeze for later. You can divide it up into ice trays or whatever smaller sizes would be convenient. Then thaw as needed in the fridge overnight.

    I sometimes add spices and/or herbs with antimicrobial properties to the boiling water. Rosemary & lavender essential oil (added once the gel cools) along with GSE gave me good results. I have some ascorbic acid (vitamin C) on hand that I may try in my next batch.
    3b
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  • tots5678tots5678 Posts: 472Registered Users
  • belwillcoilybelwillcoily Posts: 303Registered Users
    chococat wrote: »
    Make a big batch, setting aside some to freeze for later. You can divide it up into ice trays or whatever smaller sizes would be convenient. Then thaw as needed in the fridge overnight.

    I sometimes add spices and/or herbs with antimicrobial properties to the boiling water. Rosemary & lavender essential oil (added once the gel cools) along with GSE gave me good results. I have some ascorbic acid (vitamin C) on hand that I may try in my next batch.

    Excellent idea. I love this site! Thanks for the tips. :wink:
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  • KeihsKeihs Posts: 435Registered Users
    I've been wanting grapefruit seed extract but I can't find it. Do you guys know any stores that sell it? Not online though please
  • LovemybabyLovemybaby Posts: 234Registered Users
    Can u use the pots, and glass bowl that you strain into, for cooking afterwords?

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  • blessedtressblessedtress Posts: 1Registered Users
    Your responses are so informational...thanks so much for chiming in the conversation!!!! I do have an additional question though, does the flaxseed gel you sell still have to be refrigerated or can it be stored just like any other hair product purchase? Lastly, how long can your flaxseed gel last? Thanks so much for your help and I look forward to hearing from you!
  • anonymous_150263anonymous_150263 Posts: 773Registered Users
    What websites in the us could you purchase potassium sorbate and citric acid?
  • grayceworksgrayceworks Posts: 7Registered Users
    3A (some 2B/2C in back)
    High density, coarse, low porosity.

    Hates protein. A LOT.
    Loves coconut and avocado oils, agave nectar and glycerin.

    Wash/Condition:
    As I Am Coconut co-wash

    Leave-in & Styling:
    Shea butter! OMG I'm in love!
    FSG with agave nectar and coconut & tea tree oils.
    Sometimes: Garnier Fructis Triple Nutrient spray or FrizzEase curl spray
  • CurlybobbyCurlybobby Posts: 3Registered Users
    Here in college, we do not have access to a fridge. How can I preserve the flaxseed gel for longer. Even otherwise, how long can i expect it to last outside the fridge?
  • chupiechupie Posts: 5,270Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    Curlybobby wrote: »
    Here in college, we do not have access to a fridge. How can I preserve the flaxseed gel for longer. Even otherwise, how long can i expect it to last outside the fridge?

    You could get some optiphento add to it. Off iHerb I believe.