So apparently Wendy Williams didn't like Viola's stunningly beautiful look.
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I can accept that you take issue with the bolded. I think evidence is on my side though for the simple fact that women that look similiar to Viola do not normally get labeled as "beautiful" in society. They just don't. Black women in general don't unless they look a hell of a lot less "of African heritage" than Viola does.. this is NOT to say that no one could possibly think Viola is beautiful. I think plenty of people do. I just don't think if you took a poll and asked people to check yes or no if you think this woman (Viola Davis with a picture of her) is beautiful that the votes would come out with more yes votes.
I just think when this sort of thing is brought up with POC it evokes these feelings of resentment because of the whole issue with the value of black beauty. I know I get very bent about it.. but I don't let the fact that I get bent about it cloud what's reality in society.
Carry on....
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If people in here were THAT concerned over her being messy they'd be pretty hypocritical considered Wendy didn't stoop to calling Viola any names, she didn't say she was ugly, she didn't say any hurtful comments about Viola's appearance. Yet this thread is FULL of insults about Wendy's appearance. So I think it's a little more than that...
So I'm just not buying this is simply a matter of how messy Wendy is when she gives her opinions about folks looks.. when this entire thread is messy with way worse insults about her. And I'm not suggesting people don't have the right to be messy in here. I'm just saying if others can be "messy" then they shouldn't really expect others to not be. LOL!
I personally think Wendy's gotten a little less messy since her older radio days. She's a far cry from that.. I used to listen to her radio show back in the day and I literally couldn't stand her..she sickened me. At least now I can listen to her without wanting to snatch her wig off and smack her. Cause I'll never forget that ish she pulled with Whitney Houston. I didn't like that worth a damn.
Right, exactly Marah. Verbatim she said, "No offense to naturals, I just don't want to have Room 222 flashbacks on the red carpet."
And WW was talking about everyone at the Oscars, some good, some bad, she gave her opinion. But as soon as she didn't cosign Viola's hair, all hell breaks lose? Mmmmmm....ok.
I think a lot of people didn't see her show and read the MN article, which IMO set it up to be a huge deal. I read that article three times and was like, where's the direct quote? I need to see/hear EXACTLY what she said before I decide to be offended or not. MN is messy as f**k, so I take most of what they write on there with a grain of salt.
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What happened with her and Whitney, if you don't mind me asking? I never listened to her on the radio. I just remember she had that bum b*tch song, right? Was that her? I just remember my friend from NY was always playing it, lol.
This has nothing to do with Viola's beauty, I think she beautiful and hopefully Viola knows she is beautiful because that the end of the day Viola's opinon of herself is what matters. Spewing negativity only adds fuel to the fire, reality is a beast and can break an individual down. Sometimes people need to shut the ufck up and let others enjoy their 15seconds...in this case Wendy should have chosen a better comparison or just said she wasn't too thrilled with the overall look but noooo she didn't so the backlash is a muthaufcka. I didn't hear her say anything about the chick running around looking like peter pan, Michelle Williams, now that hairstyle is befitting of Room 222 or Neverland.
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I think this is it: Whitney Houston vs Wendy Williams 2003 Interveiw! - YouTube
I don't have time to double check to see if that's the entire thing. I have to leave to take my kid to Hebrew school in about 20 mins. But if it isn't..just look up Wendy Williams and Whitney Houston on YT. You'll see.
My thing was I think Wendy sort of set Whitney up because before that she had been talking "messy" about Whit and I felt it was over the top...she was as phoney as a 3 dollar bill when Whit got on that phone. And I really was pissed that she did that ish. Maybe others will see it another way..but it made me pissed at Wendy. Given, I didn't like her phoney azz before hand.
I was SO glad when Omarosa put Wendy in her place when she was on her TV show. Omarosa totally made Wendy look a damn fool.
All this. Why Viola's beauty or lack of is even an issue in this thread is a mystery. We get it. We got it in the last thread. It's not about that.
Wendy Williams is a killer klown, of epic proportions. The fact that she decided to comment on someone's fashion sense, when she almost always looks like a stuffed sausage, trying to part ways with its casing, caused others to lash out. No biggie.
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Stuffed sausage, trying to part ways with its casing
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Her looks are an issue because the premise of the thread was about "looks" concerning Viola. And then folks started in with how much a hot unsightly mess Wendy is. So yeah it is about that.. looks, beauty, appearance, whatever one wants to call it..it's about ALL that. If it wasn't.. no comments, jokes, or laughter would have been about Wendy's appearance period. All this is in defense of what Wendy said about Viola's appearance. I think Wendy is getting so much flack in this thread since she's like you said.. a killer klown of epic proportions and she ain't that damn baller in her fashion sense....so I do get the sentiment.
So yeah, Wendy is a hot mess but I'm sorry and I mean no disrespect (I hope by now you know I respect your views greatly..more than anyone in NC.com period new or old and I don't see this thread changing that) but this does come down to what happen in that other discussion. Otherwise none of this would be any issue.
Furthermore, if it's no biggie lashing out at Wendy's looks. It should be no biggie what she said about Viola. Cause she didn't dog out Viola..she just said she didn't like the hairstyle for the red carpet. Trashing her because of some other ish Wendy likes to pull is really irrelevant cause the whole issue is about what she said about Viola.
I too felt like Wendy needed to STFU because Viola looked fierce to me at the Oscars (in fact she was one of the best dressed there and believe me I seen all the pics).. but that's TO ME. To Wendy she didn't like the hair.. okay and ? How does that justify dogging her appearance ..exactly ? Specifically based on THIS incident ?
And I'm not trying to start anything (so no one try to hype this up please). I'm just asking in order to understand your logic better. And if we still disagree..we disagree. No big deal.
I was dead though at "stuffed sausage, trying to part ways with its casing". I bit my damn snigglin' and gigglin' at that ... ROFL! *snort*. You had to go...there ? ROFL!
I believe the "bum *****" song was from a short lived segment of the Star & Buckwild show if I'm not mistaken. *sips tea with pinky in the air*
Well, for me, it isn't about Viola's beauty. I don't like Wendy Williams, so unless Sponge Bob is the one under her fashion sense microscope, she gets the "Sit down and shut up!" auto response. Nuthin' more to it than that.
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This woman looked nothing like anything from the 1960's or 1970's classroom. Not no one on the show has short curly reddish brown...not no one. Wendy was calling her hair casual and not Oscar worthy, seriously???
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ETA: Chi-Town... I'm not as suprised by your responses here. But for the record.. I don't see how you saying Wendy's got unmitigated gall for basically doing exactly what you said is rude prior. Questioning someone else's views of how another looks. Aren't you questioning hers ? You think Viola's style was class and elegance (me too) but Wendy thought she looked like someone from the set of Room 222.
I get you feel justified but it's the same thing no matter how you slice it. That is all.
I'm done with the conversation about Viola and Wendy. Carry on folks.
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This entire post is your opinion. You're basically saying that WW had the unmitigated gall to have a different opinion than you. I don't agree with what WW said, but I mean...she said it among her "critiques" of several celebrities at the Oscars. Talk show hosts, gossip magazines, etc, have been doing this for years. I just don't understand why this particular opinion has got people so upset.
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Surprised about what, Marah? I said Wendy, in my mind, is in no position to talk about too many folks...about fashion. Her clothes are always too tight...ill fitting.The fact that I don't care for her doesn't void my opinion of her fashion sense. That's just extra.
I simply stated that because she's not a favorite of many people, and everybody doesn't necessarily live by the "If you can't say anything good..." rule, the responses were expected.
Viola not being beautiful to the masses is not a concern of mine, because that can be said of many black women. Viola Davis looks like (her features) many black women I've seen, and see everyday. Again, if I ("I" means anybody) think she's beautiful, or ugly, it should not cause another to be baffled, because it contradicts the beauty standards of the masses. It should not be implied that I'm being dishonest, or I'm in denial, etc. That's easy to understand.
Finally, I usually don't say much about women's looks anyway...not in a way that's negative.
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Yes, the topic was Oscar fashion and everyone was critiqued as such, but to compare this:
or this:
or even this:
to Viola Davis:
To say it's not "red carpet" is insulting and it was meant as such since she started off "not to offend the naturals". God forbid our nappy hair is seen outside of the salon not getting a relaxer. I don't care about how the commenter looks or who they are, but to say that MY hair the way it grows NATURALLY is not formal enough, is outdated, it's not presentable, and can not and should not be seen by the world at such a high profile event is degrading on so many levels for black women who have to put up with that at jobs and family events.
It's most hurtful that another WOC is perpetrating this fallacy and it shows that no matter how many women go natural or reveal their natural hair, there will always be those in our community who will stop at nothing to bring us down, if only for the attention.
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Your right this is alll my opinion........
I don't have anything against Wendy, IMHO, on some topics she is spot on and I give credit where credit is due. This time im not giving her any credit. In this case, I felt she was wrong, she could have taken several different avenues in expressing her dislike for Viola's hair.
Marah - what I said earlier about Wendy being an NFL linebacker or me "liking" any of the other hilarious comments is rude, I never once said it wasn't...so what is your point?
Im taking full credit for my part in this. I wanted to make it clear that I was not referring to the beauty discussion from the other day. My issue with that is totallllyyyy separate. In this case I disagree with Wendy and I have that right along with the right to laugh and giggle and crack jokes about her over the top attire.
I don't see what the big deal is. I guess cause its Wendy Williams or am I missing something here??
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Thank you, this was very well said!!
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Black Media Scoop featured my youtube blog on the subject, which was kinda cool!
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@Chi-Town Kinks for me it's not special or anything because it's Wendy. I personally can take or leave Wendy. My point is more that I found your stance to be quite hypocritical. Cause all you are doing is the same thing you said was rude before. And no I don't expect you to do anything about it.. I'm simply pointing out what my point is since you asked.
We can drop it as far as I'm concerned. I think we all understand eachother at this point. Nothing is going to change our very different perspectives. And I didn't say what I said to stiffle any opinions here.
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